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Carlos Ponce

"Enact universal background check legislation to ensure that those who are most likely to perpetrate gun violence cannot purchase guns."

There are already background checks when the seller is licensed. A "universal" background check mandates that even sales by non-licensed sellers be checked. How is that going to be enforced? Only after the shooting. It's a "touchy-feely" concept that will do ZILCH to curb gun violence.

Carlos Ponce

"Enact comprehensive extreme risk protection orders legislation, which allows family members or law enforcement to petition a judge to temporarily remove firearms from a person deemed at risk of harming themselves or others."

A "red flag" law. Already determined by SCOTUS to be un Constitutional.in Caniglia v Strom (2021) - a 9-0 decision. No due process, just seizure.

Bailey Jones

Dr. Robinson, I agree. Your proposals are just common sense. I miss the days when Americans had it.

Carlos Ponce

I miss common sense. Common sense means addressing the root causes. Gun control does not do that.

Gary Scoggin

When looking at bad things that happen, there are two kinds of causes to consider: root causes and contributing causes.

Mitigation of the root causes leads to the event not happening in the first place; mitigation of the contributing causes leads to the event being less likely to happen or being less severe. In risk management, the goal is to identify both types of causes and address them as best as can be done.

We can debate root causes all day but there is no way that gun availability can't be considered at least a contributing cause.

Carlos Ponce

Guns - a contributing but not a root cause.

Jim Forsythe

To have a gun death, you must have a gun, ammo and a person. Take anyone of these factors away, and no death happens.

Since you cannot have a gun death without any of these 3, all are root causes.

No person, no death, no gun, no death and no ammo no death.

Carlos Ponce

Let's start with marijuana use - the ROOT cause of several mass murders.

Gary Scoggin

What is the root cause of marijuana use in these individuals? Could it be a by-product of the same mental illness that cause the desire to commit mass murder and not the cause of the mental illness itself? It gets back to the difference between correlation and causation.

Bailey Jones

Carlos, since you quote marijuana use by murderers as a reason for prohibiting it, do you also propose prohibition of alcohol for exactly the same reason? (15% of robberies, 63% of intimate partner violence incidents, 37% of sexual assaults, 45-46% of physical assaults and 40-45% of homicides in the United States involved use of alcohol. - https://www.alcoholrehabguide.org/alcohol/crimes/) And if you don't propose making the sale, possession and consumption of alcohol illegal, please tell us why.

For the record, I support legal access to both marijuana and alcohol (with common sense regulation), just as I do for guns, even though guns are involved in 100% of gun deaths.

Also, for the record, while I can find many scientific studies that link alcohol with violent crime, I've not been able to to find scientific studies that link casual marijuana use to perpetrators of violence. I assume since this is a pet theory of both you and Tucker Carlson that it has no basis in science, but I'm open to whatever scientific studies the two of you use as a basis for this belief that marijuana is "the ROOT cause of several mass murders".

Jim Forsythe

Marijuana use is not a root cause but a subset under mental illness, which is under the root cause people.

Having depression, anxiety, PTSD, schizophrenia, or certain personality disorders puts you at much higher risk for drug abuse and addiction than someone living with better mental health. In fact, having a mental illness makes you twice as likely to abuse drugs and alcohol.

Drug and alcohol addiction is a mental illness, but addiction to drugs and alcohol comes with a litany of physical effects. As with any other mental illness, addiction makes you physically ill.

When people living with mental illness choose to use drugs or alcohol, it is often to disconnect from pain they are feeling as a result of their mental illness, usually in the name of self-medication. But addiction can affect their illness and interact with active prescriptions taken by the user. The last thing that anyone living with addiction needs is to exacerbate another condition, especially given the stress that comes with any addiction.

Carlos Ponce

Gary Scoggin, are ou saying that mental dysfunction leads to marijuana use?

Carlos Ponce

Bailey Jones, how many mass murders were using alcohol. I'm sure there's a few.

Carlos Ponce

Mass murderers who used marijuana:

James Holmes- killed 12 people and injured 70 others

Jared Loughner - 19 charges of murder and attempted murder

Mohammad Abdulazeez.- killed five military

Nikolas Cruz -34 charges of murder and attempted murder

Salvador Ramos killed 19 children and two adults

Devin Patrick Kelley killed 26 injured 22 in Sutherland Springs, TX

etc.

With the increase acceptance of weed the incidence of mass murder among users has gone up.

Are you using?

Bailey Jones

So, Carlos, nothing but anecdotal evidence for your assertion? How many mass murderers smoke cigarettes, I wonder? How many watch Mother Tucker?

But back to the question that you raised - since you quote marijuana use by murderers as a reason for prohibiting it, do you also propose prohibition of alcohol for exactly the same reason? And if you don't propose making the sale, possession, and consumption of alcohol illegal, please tell us why.

Carlos Ponce

Apparently, Bailey is unfamiliar with what "etc" means. There's a lot more.

From

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7084484/

(This is a GOVERNMENT WEBSITE)

On February 10, 2019, a man killed his 13-year-old nephew with a knife in Rustavi, Georgia. The man had a history of marijuana use.

On May 22, 2017, a suicide bomber, Salaman Abedi, detonated an explosive device in an area of the Manchester Arena, United Kingdom. The blast killed over 20 people and injured over 100 others. Evidence shows that, from a very young age, Abedi was a “party animal” who heavily consumed marijuana.

On May 18, 2017, Richard Rojas purposely drove a car along three blocks of pavement in New York’s Times Square, killing a teenager and injuring 22 other people. Evidence indicates that Rojas was a heavy marijuana user.

On November 23, 2016, Arcan Cetin carried out a mass shooting that killed five people and injured many others at the Cascade Mall in Washington. Evidence indicates that Cetin was a heavy marijuana consumer.

On July 26, 2016, Satoshi Uematsu stabbed to death at least 19 people and injured at least 26 others at a care facility in Sagamihara, Japan. Months prior the shooting, Uematsu suddenly started talking and acting strangely to his coworkers, who feared he could harm someone. Consequently, Uematsu tested positive for marijuana.

On November 27, 2015, Robert Dear killed three people and injured nine others when he carried out a mass shooting in a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs. Dear, along with many other users, moved to Colorado after the state legalized the recreational use of marijuana. Dear was a heavy user.

On June 17, 2015, 21-year-old Dylan Roof murdered nine people who were attending a prayer service in a Church in Charleston, South Carolina. He claimed that his intentions were to start a race war. His acts were preceded by years of drug abuse. Reports reveal that Roof’s drug abuse started when he was 12 years old when he would smoke marijuana three times a day.

On April 15, 2013, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and his brother Tamerlan, killed three people and injured over 250 by detonating homemade pressure cooker bombs near the finish line at the Boston marathon. Both brothers were heavy marijuana users since they were young teenagers.

"These are among the many nationally reported violent cases that have, among others factors, a common root to what led these young people to commit acts of violence at the detriment to society as a whole: the extensive use or abuse of marijuana. "

Why do you think the ATF includes marijuana usage in their gun application form?

Bailey still has not answered my question about the number of mass murders where alcohol was a factor. There must be a few or else he would not have brought it up.

Bailey Jones

Carlos, I'm looking for science, not anecdotes. But back to the question you raised - since you quote marijuana use by murderers as a reason for prohibiting it, do you also propose prohibition of alcohol for exactly the same reason?

Carlos Ponce

Funny, Bailey was eager to spout "science" from NIH.gov when it came to the pandemic but not here. I can't fix what problem you have. You are a strange breed.

Dan Freeman

Gary, I think you have identified a good point. To add a bit, epidemiologists distinguish between underlying (aka root) cause and proximate cause. The latter is too often a gun. If the gun and large magazine are eliminated, the consequence is removed in mass shootings. Contributory causes also exist, but they make the outcome more likely not certain. For example the availability of military grade Kevlar vests allow mass shooters to kill "good guys with guns," and then kill children. It follows that in an ideal world we eliminate the underlying cause, in the real world we can eliminate or regulate proximate and contributory causes.

Bailey Jones

Carlos, if you have an NIH study relevant to this conversation, I'd love to see it. I've not been able to find anything showing a causal link between weed and murder.

But back to the question that you raised - since you quote marijuana use by murderers as a reason for prohibiting it, do you also propose prohibition of alcohol for exactly the same reason? And if you don't propose making the sale, possession, and consumption of alcohol illegal, please tell us why.

Carlos Ponce

Apparently senility is prevalent among Liberals. On this page is a RELEVANT NIH post. But earlier I posted:

Carlos Ponce Jun 11, 2022 7:45am

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3927252/

https://nida.nih.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/there-link-between-marijuana-use-psychiatric-disorders

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32677690/

Bailey Jones

Thanks for those links, Carlos, but I was rather hoping for something - anything at all - that would support your assertion that marijuana is "the ROOT cause of several mass murders". Or a study showing a link between marijuana and violent crime of any type - like the many that are available linking violent behavior to alcohol. Apparently, there is nothing to support your claim. I suppose that's what happens when you get your "science" off Mother Tucker's teleprompter.

But back to the question that you raised - since you quote marijuana use by murderers as a reason for prohibiting it, do you also propose prohibition of alcohol for exactly the same reason? And if you don't propose making the sale, possession, and consumption of alcohol illegal, please tell us why.

Carlos Ponce

Read the articles. They are annotated and will lead you to what you ask.

Carlos Ponce

Again, Bailey provides no evidence of alcohol involvement in mass murders.

Bailey Jones

Carlos, you've found nothing that links marijuana use to murder, but several articles that link marijuana to mental illness. So, let's explore that idea. It should come as no surprise that there is plenty of literature linking mental illness to alcohol use. Here are a few -

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6927747/

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1600-0447.2009.01385.x (Approximately every fifth patient with schizophrenia had lifetime alcohol use disorders.)

https://www.psychiatrist.com/jcp/addiction/substance-use-disorders/alcohol-disorders-schizophrenia-national-cohort-study/

Now back to the question that you raised - since you quote marijuana's association with mental illness as a reason for prohibiting it, do you also propose prohibition of alcohol for exactly the same reason? And if you don't propose making the sale, possession, and consumption of alcohol illegal, please tell us why.

Carlos Ponce

"Carlos, you've found nothing that links marijuana use to murder"

ARE YOU KIDDING??????

"In incarcerated subjects, studies found that one-third of the subjects that committed homicide had used marijuana twenty-four hours before the homicide. Further, three-quarters of those subjects were experiencing at least one mental or physical effect from marijuana intoxication when the homicide occurred."

"Homicide offenses have been repeatedly documented to be connected to drug use, and marijuana is often one of those drugs"

HOMICIDE and HOMICIDAL means they committed MURDER, Bailey!

Bailey Jones

Carlos, coincidence is not causality. That's why I prefer to rely on scientific studies of behavior and substance abuse. Next you'll be telling us that possessing and using a gun causes gun violence.

Now back to the question that you raised - since you quote marijuana's association with mental illness as a reason for prohibiting it, do you also propose prohibition of alcohol for exactly the same reason? And if you don't propose making the sale, possession, and consumption of alcohol illegal, please tell us why.

Jim Forsythe

Drug and alcohol addiction is a mental illness.

The Uniform Crime Reporting Program (UCR) of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) reported that in 2007, 3.9% of the 14,831 homicides in which circumstances were known were narcotics related. Murders that occurred specifically during a narcotics felony, such as drug trafficking or manufacturing, are considered drug related.

Drugs include alcohol.

Having depression, anxiety, PTSD, schizophrenia, or certain personality disorders puts you at much higher risk for drug abuse and addiction than someone living with better mental health. In fact, having a mental illness makes you twice as likely to abuse drugs and alcohol.

When saying that some of the mass shooters had use weed, it is important to know if they were mentally ill and how much THC they had in their system. The mass killers listed, had how much THC in their systems? How much alcohol was in their system?

Many people, if tested would come back positive for THC, but they do not become mass killers.

More people would come back positive for having alcohol in their systems then THC if tested, as alcohol is used and abused by more people.

Carlos Ponce

Bailey, no coincidence.

Jim Forsythe

It looks like there is enough support in the Senate to pass the following. It will be voted on in the near future. What's in the gun legislation deal?

Support for state crisis intervention

Investment in children and family mental health services

Protections for victims of domestic violence

Funding for school-based mental health and supportive services

Funding for school safety resources

Clarification of definition of federally licensed firearms dealer

Telehealth investments

Penalties for straw purchasing

The plan also calls for an "enhanced review process" for young gun buyers.

"For buyers under 21 years of age, requires an investigative period to review juvenile and mental health records, including checks with state databases and local law enforcement," the statement said.

Susan Duif

Extreme risk red flag laws will be used by ideologues to take guns from ppl they disagree with politically. Like everything else the Marxist left pushes in 2022. No thanks.

Jim Forsythe

Susan, what do you suggest needs to change with regards to gun safety?

If you do not think changes are needed, you must be happy with all the deaths.

Are you in favor of raising the age to buy a gun? Six of the nine deadliest mass shootings in the United States since 2018 were by people who were 21 or younger.

If you have never been shot at, you are lucky. Being shot at and missed by just inches (the person who shot at me was about 14) cause you to fear things that one should not.

If you have never had to endure the pain when a family member or friend is killed by a gun, you are lucky. Will your luck hold out?

I have had to go thru each of these, and still have to deal with the realty, each day.

Gary Scoggin

Susan, is everyone who supports red flag laws a Marxist leftist? Or just some of them? Can you help me figure out which is which?

Gary Miller

Susan > You sound like a quick study.

Ted Gillis

Yes the Putin funded NRA is happy with all of the deaths. Each time there is a mass shooting, guns sales and ammunition sales increase. Make America Great.

Carlos Ponce

Ted, please show evidence of a "Putin funded NRA".

Jim Forsythe

During the same period when top NRA leaders welcomed Maria Butina into the fold—meeting with her extensively in Moscow and the United States—Butina actively supported Russian President Vladimir Putin’s military takeover of Crimea. In the immediate aftermath of the invasion and annexation in March 2014, Butina denounced retaliatory sanctions by the Obama administration and traveled to Crimea to promote the arming of pro-Russian separatists. Her efforts there included pledging support to a leader of a militia group that violently seized a Crimean news outlet it deemed “pro-American” and swiftly repurposed for a Kremlin propaganda operation.

Four weeks after Butina’s meeting with the Crimean Front, Maria Butina traveled to Indianapolis for the NRA’s annual convention, where NRA executives welcomed her as a VIP. It was one of several NRA confabs Butina attended—in addition to visiting the organization’s headquarters in Virginia, hosting NRA leaders in Moscow, and joining them in a video promoting a Russian sniper rifle—prior to her arrest in 2018 by the FBI.

The ties between top NRA officials and convicted Russian agent Maria Butina.

The Kremlin operative didn’t just commit conspiracy against the United States—she also worked on behalf of Putin’s military conquest in the Ukraine region during the same period she was forging alliances, both in the US and in Moscow, with NRA leaders.

Maria Butina cultivated relationships among the conservative movement alongside her boss, Alexander Torshin, a high-level official from Putin’s party who donated to the NRA as a “life member” and later was sanctioned by the US government. After Butina’s downfall, the NRA sought to distance itself and claimed it had no knowledge of Butina’s foreign activities. While Butina was spending time with NRA leaders David Keene, Wayne LaPierre and others.

After serving most of an 18-month federal prison sentence, Butina was deported to her native country in October 2019. Putin personally defended Butina, declaring that the US had “nothing on her” and had convicted her “in order not to look totally stupid.” By last fall, at age 33, she began serving in the Russian parliament as a member of Putin’s United Russia party.utina and was aggressively working against US national security interests:

Dan Freeman

Good comments Jim. Here is a link by the Senate Committee that exposed the NRA as a foreign lobbying organization funded in part by Moscow: https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=6432520-The-NRA-Russia-How-a-Tax-Exempt-Organization

Jim Forsythe

Dan, you are right that the NRA as a foreign lobbying organization was funded in part by Moscow: Moscow equals Putin

Carlos Ponce

Proof of your assertion, Jim:

Carlos Ponce

Jim that is not proof of a "Putin funded NRA".

Karen Sawyer

Thank you Dr. Sally, but here they go acting like us that want some sort of handle on the ease of getting guns want to take away honest and smart gun owners guns and rights. !

Charles Douglas

Pretty soon Americans are going to find out that everybody who shoot people are NOT mentally ill. They just have neglected themselves to the point where they have no self-control and therefore are subjected to the whelms of their Sin-nature! A man/woman with so control over their own spirit ( Self ).. is like a city broken down with NO WALLS! ....Proverbs 25:28.

Judas was not mentally ill when he sold Jesus out for thirty pieces of silver! He was greedy as [censored]... smart, selfish, a thief, and had developed NO SELF CONTROL. I have been hearing voices of the Sin natures for decades, voices which if I had catered to or obeyed would have landed me in Huntsville State Prison or the graveyard long ago! Today we have individuals who develop wopped Ideologies from listening to, or reading about some Satanic fool, and go out and kill law-abiding citizens then some bleeding heart lawyers will go to some court and have him/her declared mentally crazy, Yeah Right! We have some some kind of weird folks who reside in this country! National leaders will bail criminals out of lockdown to go rob, loot, and kill again! WOKE District Attorneys will NOT prosecute many criminals at all or will reduce serious charges down to misdemeanors. Then, they and their supporters will stand flat-footed and proclaim their love for America!

I saw a pot-hole in a street I drove down yesterday and right away I thought there were many in this country who would curse Vladimir Putin for that and more, because we have politicians leading us who blame everything which is bad in this nation on Putin or Trump! If anyone turn it around on the WOKE, ...then automatically that act becomes disinformation, and innuendos worthy of censorship, and Media Blackouts! Well sir, is this the country we use to think of as the light on a hill? Don't ask Obama that! It is to many people like him who are trying to TEAR IT DOWN AND "BUILD BACK BETTER...." Lololo. I guess what we are seeing taking place now with the Border, Crime, Wars, Inflation, High Prices are Building Back BETTER!

Robert Braeking

Gun violence is not the problem. Violence is the problem. Lack of regard for the sanctity of life is the problem. Children who lack a moral compass become adults without a moral compass.

Private ownership and use of firearms is the only thing that can protect the moral and decent members of society from these ruthless thugs.

Charles Douglas

Mr. Braeking> Outstanding!!! [thumbup][thumbup][thumbup]

Gary Miller

Amen! Mr. Breaking.

George Laiacona

Let’s get real here, the NRA has total control of the Republican legislators. Nothing has been done for the past 30plus years. Nothing will be done until the Republican Party looses control. Can anyone give me a legitimate reason why any American needs to possess an assault weapon? Is not our armed forces and police protection enough?

Carlos Ponce

No George, the US Constitution has total control of the Republican legislators.

"Can anyone give me a legitimate reason why any American needs to possess an assault weapon?" To defend themselves.

Robert Braeking

Legitimate reason to own an 'assault' weapon? Hog hunts and repelling tyrants and criminals. The kid in Kenosha sure made good use of his.

Gary Miller

George > Our armed forces and police are not enough. AG's funded by Sorus are part of the problem.

Ted Gillis

I guess the 21 people in Uvalde forgot to wear their moral compass that day.

Gary Miller

Ted> Only one person went to Uvalde without a moral compass

Robert Braeking

There were 2 teachers in the room. If one were armed there may have been only one death. Double tap - center of mass. Bad guy eats it. End of story.

Gary Scoggin

I’m trying to picture this but the two teachers that come to mind are my late mother and Carlos Ponce. Which one would be carrying?

Carlos Ponce

Gary Scoggin, they would take volunteers. And after undergoing rigorous training, the teacher(s) selected would have access to a firearm. The selected teacher(s) would not be carrying. Throughout my career there have always been teachers on the faculty both male and female with a military or law enforcement background. The school librarian took marksmanship while in college. While attending high school, my principal had access to a firearm on campus.

If your mother was comfortable with a firearm and the role, she may or may not be selected if she volunteered.

Robert Braeking

Gary, The PERCEPTION that teachers are armed is the deterrent effect that I am advocating. Neither your dear mother nor your buddy Carlos need to carry to deter the commission of the act of shooting up a soft target. The potential shooter only needs to perceive the threat. I spent 30 years on the road in 18-wheelers. What better target for a thief would be a lone 18-wheeler driver in a remote rest stop? Thieves do not target truck drivers because there is a perception that all 18-wheeler drivers are armed and non-compliant.

Gary Scoggin

Robert - My grandfather was a Sherriff and my mother grew up on the second floor of the jail so she would have been familiar with guns. That said, I can't imagine her thinking that she should be armed was ever a good idea.

But back to your statement. If I'm a shooter, it seems the minute I walked into a classroom, the first people I would go after are the most likely to be armed, i.e., the teachers. And if they have their weapons in the desk or their purse, would they really have time to react?

It's like the argument I hear against open carry. It makes you the first target for a bad guy. (Note that I am not opposed to either open or concealed carry, As a guy that does neither, I'm just pointing out what I've been told.)

Carlos Ponce

No one will know who is the authorized person. Could it be coach? The librarian? The math teacher? etc. NO ONE WILL KNOW except the administration. It might be the principal.

Under the rules it would NOT be in a purse or desk.

Gary Scoggin

If the gun is not in a purse or in a desk, and the person is not openly carrying, does that leave concealed carry as the remaining option?

Even if this option is feasible, it would not be the be-all, end-all solution. Again, as I said earlier, there are lots of ideas that would each result in a marginal improvement. Only be combining these ideas can we make a difference.

Also missing is the more attention to monitoring and identifying possible shooters in the first place. As TCISD's Mike Matranga once said, (paraphrasing) our efforts have failed up if the shooter ever enters the building. We need more threat assessment and earlier intervention.

Carlos Ponce

"does that leave concealed carry as the remaining option" No.

Gary Scoggin

What options would be left?

Robert Braeking

There is a special place in Heaven for innocent victims.

Gary Scoggin

There is a special place in Heaven for all of us, Robert. That’s what makes it special.

Ted Gillis

Ted Cruz?

Carlos Ponce

"The role of marijuana in homicide - We found that in terms of lifetime use, marijuana was the most commonly used illicit drug in this sample; that about one-third of respondents who had ever used marijuana used the drug in the 24-hour period before the homicide; and that almost three-quarters of those respondents were experiencing some type of effect from the drug when the homicide occurred."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8144275/

Robert Braeking

Once again there is an attempt to project a correlation into cause/effect. It doesn't fly. The culture of the people mentioned in the article condone both murder and marijuana use. Using marijuana within the 24 hours before doing ANYTHING in this culture would not be unusual because they are daily users.

Carlos Ponce

"almost three-quarters of those respondents were experiencing some type of effect from the drug"

"effect from the drug" says there is a "cause/effect".

Jim Forsythe

Carlos.

When saying that some of the mass shooters had use weed. It is important to know if they were mentally ill and how much THC they had in their system. The mass killers you listed, had how much THC was in their systems? How much alcohol was in their system? Where they mentally ill?

The following is in the court system, and may change.

Texas consumers are now able to purchase cannabis products that contains THC, which is the chemical in cannabis responsible for making a person feel high.

Delta-8-THC is legally sold throughout Texas in many forms, including: smokable flowers, serums, edibles, and more.

Still waiting on your report about how much THC was in the systems of the mass shooter names you posted.

In Texas, the requirements for obtaining a prescription for medical cannabis are straightforward. There is no age limit for patients, but those under 18 may need a legal guardian. A qualified practitioner who registers with the CUP must deem that the benefits outweigh the risks in each case. The practitioner can prescribe the treatment only to permanent residents of Texas. To qualify, the patient must suffer from one of the following conditions: Multiple Sclerosis, Seizure Disorders, Autism Terminal cancer, Spasticity Epilepsy, Incurable neurodegenerative disease, Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS).

Did the mass shooters you listed use prescribed medical cannabis?

Carlos Ponce

Jim asks, "Did the mass shooters you listed use prescribed medical cannabis?"

Answer : No.

Jim Forsythe

How do you know that they do not have a prescription?

Carlos Ponce

"How do you know that they do not have a prescription?" How about READING the annotations, Jim, DUH!

Jim Forsythe

HIPAA

Carlos Ponce

Not relevant in research since the criminals/patients names are not revealed.

Jim Forsythe

Since the names are not reveled, their no way you can know if someone has a prescription for medical cannabis. So, your answer to "Did the mass shooters you listed use prescribed medical cannabis?" is not true because you do not know.

Carlos Ponce

"Since the names are not reveled, their no way you can know if someone has a prescription for medical cannabis."

Yes I can know since marijuana is NOT used in in prisons since its use violates Federal law. The studies are about those incarcerated. Once paroled, it is up to individual state's laws as to whether the parolee can have it legally but they are not included in the study. In California, courts ruled the inmate may have marijuana up to certain amounts but are forbidden from smoking or ingesting it Go figure.

Carlos Ponce

And they know the medical histories of the inmates and there was only "recreational" use, not prescribed medicinal.

Jim Forsythe

What you are talking about happen in 1984. HIPAA was after this date. Most if not all the people that you posted about, were not in this study. Such as Robert Dear.

Since this is about," Guest commentary: There are clear steps toward achieving gun safety" and not about drug use in jail, it makes no difference.

The people that commit mass killings, the following statement is true. "Since the names are not reveled, their no way you can know if someone has a prescription for medical cannabis."

Carlos Ponce

So you are saying with 1980s THC strength things were bad but with strength in 2022 things are better? Foolish.

Bailey Jones

Yes, Robert. Why wouldn't a murderer use drugs? The idea that a murderer might have some moral scruples against drug or alcohol use is pretty ridiculous. Personally, I think that if I had so much going on in my head that slaughtering a school full of children seemed like the solution to my problems I might well seek out a few hours of oblivious intoxication from weed or alcohol.

Robert Braeking

Gary, You are missing the point. It is all about perception. You will note that mass shooters choose 'soft' targets. The point is to harden the target so that it is not targeted. Bad guys are perhaps nuts, but not stupid. If their goal were suicide by cop, they would target a police station. If their goal is to inflict maximum damage before going out in a blaze of glory they will chose a soft target so they can do their dastardly deed for some amount of time before they encounter any resistance. They are well aware that they likely will not survive regardless. They are well aware that they will not encounter resistance at a soft target. Our goal should be to make it public knowledge that Texas schools are no longer soft targets.

Ted Gillis

If they hadn’t stopped prayer in churches, the shootings at St. Stephen’s Episcopal would not have happened.

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