As we approach one of our most family-oriented holidays of the year, we’re in the midst of one of our most divisive times in modern history. Our country is facing some disturbing times.

Truth and fact are under constant attack from some of our highest offices and officers. We’ve been told not to believe truth, even when it’s being verified by fact.

The very people who, by virtue of their positions, should be standing up for truth and justice, are allowing themselves to be led by spirits of complicity and complacency. Deep seated prejudices have been exposed. Yes, the sheets have been pulled back. There’s no hiding.

When people who profess to know, love and serve their God, then turn a blind eye to systemic sin and shameful acts, as they control our society, one can be reasonably certain that our society is in big trouble.

They say that they believe in truth, yet continue to support an individual who, according to verified statistics, lies constantly and consistently, who exposes the general public (women and children), to vile and vulgar language without a single thought or remorse.

Our civilization and way of life are in turmoil. This isn’t a Democratic or Republican problem. This is a spiritual problem that both parties can share in the blame. Both parties are to blame for where we are now. Some voting citizens have grown weary of party politics and are willing to look past party and seek truth and righteousness.

Recently, my U.S. representative wrote a commentary for our community newspaper. The column was filled with party talking points. However, there was no mention of the blatant attacks on truth and fact, about the divisive rhetoric that has divided our nation.

My question for my representative is: how can you support someone who doesn’t have a moral compass? Our morality has declined so much that professed and talented evangelicals find and espouse excuses for blatant sin, degradation and wrongdoing.

I counsel them to read Isaiah 29:13. In that passage, the Lord says, “These people come near me with their mouths and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is based on merely human rules they have been taught.”

This scripture should inspire us to speak out against policies of any party which are ungodly.

A few days ago, I was in Washington. While there, I spoke with U.S. Rep. John Lewis. I was inspired by his love, duty and respect for America and its Constitution. After speaking with him, I felt a renewed desire to seek that which is morally right.

I often think of a beautiful saying of my Grandmother: “Right is right and wrong is wrong, and right doesn’t wrong anybody.”

Truth does matter.

The Rev. James E. Daniels is chairman and founder of the Eagles Nest Community organization and lives in Texas City.

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Carlos Ponce

"how can you support someone who doesn’t have a moral compass?"

Daniels must be unfamiliar with "Do not judge, or you too will be judged." Matthew 7:1

There's not one among us who is without sin. "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus." Romans 3:23-24

I find Christian kinship in President Donald Trump. We are not perfect but forgiven through the Grace of God. I find solace in a man who wants to protect the innocent and fight for the rights of the unborn. No one shall be deprived of life... without due process of law. There is a reason why most Christian evangelicals and church going Catholics voted for Trump in 2016 and will re-elect him in 2020.

Daniels writes, "This scripture should inspire us to speak out against policies of any party which are ungodly." I agree 100% with that.

There's a party that booed in a national convention when they disagreed with the chair's voice count interpretation of including God in their party platform. Why would any God believing person object to the phrase "God-given potential"?

Why would any party condone the mass murder of innocent children through abortion hiding behind the phrase "the right to choose"?

They say they are personally against abortion but will not impose that belief on others through their votes. Really? That sounds just like what was said by some before the Civil War: "I am personally against slavery but will not impose that belief on others."

We have sitting US Senators who belittle those who profess their Christian beliefs. In hearings Diane Feinstein said “the dogma lives loudly in you,” before voting against approving the nomination of Christian Amy Barrett for the Federal bench. Democrat Senators Mazie Hirono (HI) and Kamala Harris (CA) raised concerns about membership in the Knights of Columbus while the Senate Judiciary Committee reviewed the candidacy of Brian C. Buescher nominated to sit on the United States District Court for the District of Nebraska.

You ask us to "speak out against policies of any party which are ungodly." I already do. The current Democrat party is not for me. God fearing Democrats should move their party back to God. In our neighboring state of Louisiana, voters re-elected Democrat John Bel Edwards, an anti-abortion, pro-gun rights Catholic who signed into law one of the most restrictive anti-abortion laws in this country.

Charles Douglas

[thumbup] Well articulated Mr. Ponce!! In addition ..the Democrats likes to hide behind the phrase "women's health" when they justify baby murder! Notice how they are so concerned about the safety of others from around the world crashing our borders, but don't give a RIP, about the citizens in this country? Its okay for our military to die guarding foreign borders, but it is pure RACIST, for them to be used to help guard our own borders! "The Rev" mention a spiritual significance in his Op-ed, and I agree with that assessment 150 percent! These are the latter days 2Timothy 3:1-7 talks about. Things are happening now which illuminates 1 Peter 5:8, and shows it to make plenty of sense.The enemy knows his time is coming to an end, and he is going full bore to implement his program of deception, deceit, and duplicity! Since he has no power over a man because of the cross, and other than what a man gives him, he must use lies, and deception as his tools. Lastly, the IG RREPORT is due out in about two weeks, and the AG Criminal report after that! When they are released we will take a peak behind those SHEETS, "The REV" .. mentioned in his Op-ed, and we will see who was spying on American citizens, forging government records to be able to use counter-intelligence on Americans in order to commit fraud on a duely elected President by the people! Big Jim Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Big John Brennan, and James CLAPPER! These slim balls raise their hands and swore to defend this country and the constitution. All they have done was to divide, it's people and betray it by their selfish greed and personal aspirations! I voted for the last 6-7 presidents at least one time, and I spent half my life as a Democrat, but no more. I've walked off that farm! Nobody buys my vote then forget about me until it is time to vote again! Notice Warren is slipping in the polls, so she is harping on, REPARATIONS now! My point exactly!!

Allison Buchtien

Good stuff, Rev. Daniels!

Patricia C Newsom

Amen, Rev. Daniels.

Emile Pope

The president's a crook. The fact that some people support him doesn't change that. And making excuses for his criminality, immortality, and cruelty only reflects back on the ones defending him.

Carlos Ponce

Haters gotta hate.

Emile Pope

I rest my case...

Carlos Ponce

Just don't rest in peace, Emile! If you're the typical Democrat, Republicans have nothing to fear! Keep posting!

Wayne Holt

For someone who is such an obvious crook, why has it has been impossible to get even one star witness in the current House impeachment pseudo-investigation to say they heard him say or do an impeachable offense? The biggest bruise I've heard so far is that Ambassador Sondland had an "impression". Luckily, we haven't begun to throw presidents out of office based on someone's vague impression, absent anything like a factual recounting of a high crime or misdemeanor.

It simply isn't necessary to make "excuses for his criminality" when nothing offered has come close to being a crime. That includes three years of trying to pin the title of Russian stooge on him. Sorry, nothing came of that either.

Joe and Hunter Biden, on the other hand, are going to have real problems with the breaking story of not one but two Ukrainian prosecutors who have spoken about corrupt practices by the Bidens that enriched them by millions of dollars. Now you're talking criminality...

Bailey Jones

[thumbup] I agree with you Rev. Daniels. I was struck during the impeachment hearings by the comportment, intelligence, knowledge and forthrightness of our professional foreign service. It was such a stark contrast to the nonsense that passes for politics and statesmanship among our elected officials. To see these people who have dedicated their lives to serve US gave me at least a little hope for the future of our country.

Truth is still truth, facts are still knowable things, and justice is ours - if we demand it.

Carlos Ponce

Truth is still truth! Hearsay is another word for gossip. Little truth in that. With the exception of Sondland the so called "witnesses" were anything but. The foreign service forgot one important thing: The PRESIDENT sets foreign policy, not them. They were upset Trump did not follow the status quo and their recommendations. DUH! The president's ideas take precedent when it comes to foreign policy. One by one they were asked if there was anything illegal; any bribery, any quid pro quo. And the answer was "no". But they offered their OPINION, "I PRESUMED", "I ASSUMED", and "I HEARD". Federal law says hearsay is inadmissible but Schiff allowed and encoraged it. Now Sondland PRESUMED there was quid pro quo - Zelensky meets with Trump in return for investigating Burisma. As far as what the Democrats contend, monetary aid was never mentioned.

Yes the Foreign Service is dedicated but they should better. Only Sondland actually spoke to the president when there was a question as to their strategy. And the president when asked what do you want from Ukraine replied, "I want NOTHING, I want NOTHING. NO QID PRO QUO. Just tell Zelensky to do the right thing!"

Fiona Hill is supposed to be an expert when it comes to the Ukraine but denies Ukrainian interference in the 2016 elections where they favored Hillary. Leftist Politico (not a Trump fan) investigated and discovered "Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire - Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost Clinton".

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

And Ukrainian ambassador Valeriy Chaly wrote an op-ed not favorable to Trump in August 2016:

https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/international/290411-ukraines-ambassador-trumps-comments-send-wrong-message-to

And in the Hill we also read, "Ukrainian Embassy confirms DNC contractor solicited Trump dirt in 2016"

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/441892-ukrainian-embassy-confirms-dnc-contractor-solicited-trump-dirt-in-2016

Lt. Col Vindman is confused. In the military if a superior officer in your chain of command asks for a "favor" that is considered the same as an order. So he assumed when Trump asked for a favor from Zelensky he was ordering it. Problem is under International Law Trump is not Zelensky's superior nor in his chain of command. Many military cringed at Vindman's testimony. There should be an Article 32 hearing but doubtful that will happen since Democrats would consider that retaliation. But under military law, there should be.

Gary Scoggin

Gee, if only those with first hand knowledge would testify. Mulvaney, Pompeo, Bolton...

Charles Douglas

Gary,...we can't let those guys testify! They are under Executive Privilege! We have to protect the power of the Oval Office, for NIKKI HALEY, in 2024. I wish we could help you ....but No-Can-Do.

Gary Scoggin

Executive Power would still be intact if they testified with the President's permission. The other option is to subpeona them and let SCOTUS sort it out.

Carlos Ponce

Gee, if only those with first hand knowledge would testify. Biden, Biden, Chalupa, Ciaramella, Schiff.... But if the Democrats impeach then the Senate WILL call upon them to testify then the Schiff will hit the fan. That's why Trump is looking forward to it. But many Democrats are calling for censure instead of impeachment.

Gary Scoggin

I assume you know what the President is looking forward to because he consults with you. So why didnt he let those people testify already?

Carlos Ponce

It will be interesting to see who these Trump haters support come November 2020. That person must be a paragon of virtue with an unstained halo. [innocent]

Well.... nobody on the current slate fits their criteria.

Bailey Jones

straw man - logical fallacy - again. I miss the days when conservatives would make well reasoned arguments.

Carlos Ponce

When Bailey cannot think of anything he resorts to "straw man - logical fallacy" AGAIN! Not a reasoned argument from Bailey, just another"I can't think of anything."

Bailey Jones

OK, Carlos. Let's do this.

"It will be interesting to see who these Trump haters support come November 2020. That person must be a paragon of virtue with an unstained halo."

Wrong (Obviously)

We don't need a candidate who never lies, we just need one who doesn't lie multiple times each and every day, about everything.

We don't need a candidate who has never had an adulterous thought, we just need one who doesn't believe that "she got old" is grounds for divorce.

We don't need a candidate who is a perfect feminist, we just need one who doesn't believe that "being a star" gives you permission to sexually assault women.

We don't need a Rhodes scholar (although Mayor Pete is dreamy) we just need someone who can differentiate between reality and the idiotic "just for entertainment" ravings of the Alex Jones's of the world.

We don't need a candidate with decades of political experience, we just need one who has managed an organization with more than just his children and cronies in it.

We don't need a candidate who understands science, we just need one who has the sense to ask someone who does, "is windmill cancer a thing?"

We don't need a candidate who never throws his weight around, we just need one who doesn't further the foreign policy goals of Russia in the process.

We don't need a candidate who is a constitutional scholar (miss you, Obama) we just need one who knows better than "I have an Article 2, where I have the right to do whatever I want as president."

We don't need a full on Canadian for a candidate, we just need one who is capable of saying (at least once in his lifetime), "I made a mistake and I'm sorry".

We don't need a candidate who gets along with everyone, we just need one who can disagree with someone without resorting to the basest sort of smears and insults.

We don't need a candidate with the selflessness of a Buddha, we just need one who has done something, sometime, just once, seriously - just one [censored] time, that wasn't for his own selfish self interest.

I could go on and on, but why? You'll be right back here tomorrow with another lame "argument".

Carlos Ponce

Bailey posts, "We don't need a candidate who never lies, we just need one who doesn't lie multiple times each and every day, about everything." Well, tat elements the entire slate except for Tulsi.

"We don't need a candidate who has never had an adulterous thought, we just need one who doesn't believe that "she got old" is grounds for divorce."

No adulterous thought, that eliminates the current slate. Even Jimmy Carter, a good Christian, lusted after women - a common fault among many.

"We don't need a candidate who is a perfect feminist, we just need one who doesn't believe that "being a star" gives you permission to sexually assault women." Boring, people knew this was just locker room talk. I bet even Bailey has said a few similar things in his life.

"We don't need a Rhodes scholar (although Mayor Pete is dreamy) we just need someone who can differentiate between reality and the idiotic "just for entertainment" ravings of the Alex Jones's of the world." Don't understand any of that. George Washington , Abe Lincoln,et al weren't Rhodes Scholars. So what?

"We don't need a candidate with decades of political experience, we just need one who has managed an organization with more than just his children and cronies in it." Good, neither has Trump.

"We don't need a candidate who understands science, we just need one who has the sense to ask someone who does, "is windmill cancer a thing?" - There are many scientists who believe the frequencies emitted from windmills can contribute to cancer.

"We don't need a candidate who never throws his weight around, we just need one who doesn't further the foreign policy goals of Russia in the process." Trump doesn't throw his weight around. If he did he would not need to negotiate or exercise "The art of the deal".

"We don't need a candidate who is a constitutional scholar (miss you, Obama) we just need one who knows better than "I have an Article 2, where I have the right to do whatever I want as president." " Article 2 does give the president wide latitude. You took this out of context, another Bailey trait. He was talking specifically about false claims made by Democrats when it came to firing Comey, collusion and obstruction.

"We don't need a full on Canadian for a candidate, we just need one who is capable of saying (at least once in his lifetime), "I made a mistake and I'm sorry"." Don't know what that is supposed to infer but it's your post.

"We don't need a candidate who gets along with everyone, we just need one who can disagree with someone without resorting to the basest sort of smears and insults." We don't need a wimpy president who will lie down like a beaten dog and accept every accusation, insult hurled at him. Americans like people who fight for their principles.

"We don't need a candidate with the selflessness of a Buddha, we just need one who has done something, sometime, just once, seriously - just one time, that wasn't for his own selfish self interest." His interest is MAKE AMERICA GREAT! The idea that he acts on self interests is nothing but Left wing propaganda.

"I could go on and on, but why? " Please go on! Your post will make more votes for Trump! [beam]

Bailey Jones

Thanks, Carlos. I can ALWAYS count on you to prove my point.

Carlos Ponce

And we can always count on Bailey for a portrait of how extreme Leftist think. I wonder what excuse you'll use when Democrats lose in 2020.

Sharon Stratman

Bailey, I always appreciate your thoughtful, reasoned posts. I've been reading here long enough to remember when certain contributors made sense, or at least supported their arguments with something other than mean bluster.

Paula Flinn

Notice how the posts making excuses for the President need to get longer and longer.

In order to vote, one must make mental judgements about the candidates that are logical. I really cannot see how a President who is in charge of separating families, caging children, deporting their parents, moving the children and losing them in the system, and then not caring about it, can be considered a Christian. Before you say, “Obama did it first” realize that he did not move them or lose them in the system.

Plus, the truth matters, and the President is a pathological liar.

Carlos Ponce

You are entitled to your opinion which differs from most of Galveston County and the State of Texas. Texas will vote Trump despite the influx of "carpetbaggers" from Blue states.

Charles Douglas

Come on now Ms. Flinn. You know that Obama did a lot of things his Fake News Allies did not report. Like the millions of Illegals he deported! Biden is catching grief now from the LEFT behind things they did that are being uncovered now that he is out of office. The IG & AG reports will uncover much more when they are released. Obama and his people chased Eric Snowden out of the country for exposing what we all know now is fact, that our government, DEEP STATE, career employees, are spying on Americans. This country is in the process of decaying and losing its identity like those in the European Union!

Emile Pope

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Craig Mason

Can you imagine the backlash if Obama had done the same shit Trump has done??? Can IMAGINE if Obama had said on a hot mic that he just grabs em by the pussy?? I wasn’t a fan of Obama or Bush, but man I miss both of them. I know intelligent, good moral people who defend the current liar in chief with all their might. I just don’t get it. I just pray for common sense and dignity to return to our country soon.

Carlos Ponce

"Can you imagine the backlash if Obama had done the same (expletive deleted) Trump has done?" Wait Craig until all three reports are finished. The activity under investigation reaches to the top. IG Hororwitz - just minor, Durham - big time, Huber - interesting. So sad.[sad]

Craig Mason

Obama nor either of the Bush presidents ever grabbed a pussy. Not sure on Clinton. Oh and one more thing, Nunes is next on the radar can’t wait till he is censured as well.

Carlos Ponce

Did you ever see Trump grab one? This was "locker room" talk. As a young man I heard it throughout grade school, junior high, high school and college. As a teacher I often put a stop to such talk. And that's all it was - TALK, said to impress friends, look "cool", fit in with the crowd, hyoperbole not meant to be taken serioiusly.. As an adult I hear it among men when - shhhhh no one else is listening. You might think men outgrow this but most don't. We hear a mild version of this in the musical "Grease": "She was GOOD, you know WHAT I mean. Summer heat, boy and girl meet But ah, oh, those summer nights". And "How's it hanging, stud?" And guess what, I've heard girls and women talk about men and boys in a like manner! If they don't talk that way around you that's good. They know you would not like it. Nothing wrong with that.

Trump apologized for his remark. Move on with your life. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Bailey Jones

Craig, I have a book called Obama: Intimate Portrait by the photographer Pete Souza. He was Obama's official photographer for 8 years and he spent 5 years with Reagan. It's a great book if you've never seen it - Obama laughing with his staff, playing hoops with his SS men, playing with his dog, sitting on the swing talking to his daughter, dancing and laughing with Michelle, talking to an endless stream of little kids.... It really shows his humanity and how much he cared about everyone around him. Reagan was the same way, and the Bushes, too. Sometimes I just have to sit down and flip through the pages and be reminded what "presidential" looks like. You can find a lot of those photos on Souza's Instagram page - https://www.instagram.com/petesouza

Miceal O'Laochdha

Bailey: I think the days when well reasoned conservative arguments were on offer ended when William F. Buckley passed away. Can’t you just picture Fearless Leader wielding his formidable IQ against Buckley on Firing Line? He would have to have Boris and Natasha attack Buckley right there on the set.

Bailey Jones

I miss those debate shows - where there would be actual debates. It's amazing that we've reached this point - where rational, traditional, conservative thought is now considered to be an attack on the Republican president.

Ray Taft

Most Americans see that the Democrats’ partisan impeachment is a hoax. Some welcome the hoax because haters luv to hate.

However, most Americans can plainly see that it’s wrong. Americans with common sense and their eyes wide open can plainly see that Democrats are abusing congressional power in seeking an impeachment of President Trump. Americans believe their eyes and not the tall tales the Democrats and the fake news media are trying to spin.

Dishonest, undemocratic Democrats have failed to bring any evidence to impeach President Trump during their long and winding road to prove any of their many baseless accusations that come and go. Shifty Schiff, in the Democrats’ latest attempt, brought in numerous handpicked, coached and rehearsed partisan witnesses to testify about matters completely unrelated to the heart of any legitimate impeachment claim. Schiff’s partisan deep-state officials acted as though it’s their job to decide America’s foreign policy. It’s the President who sets policy-not unelected bureaucrats-whether they like it or not. It’s obvious that President Trump did nothing wrong.

Meanwhile, the Democrats very poor leadership have done little for America. Apparently, what’s good for America is bad for Democrats. There never has been a Speaker who has done so little in Congress. Pelosi will go down as the least productive Speaker of the House in history. Democrats have abandoned America in favor of their impeachment hoax for their own partisan political-purposes.

America awaits real justice when Democrats and all their deep state conspirators are at last brought to justice for their coup attempt against President Trump and America. Let’s pray that that justice comes soon for America’s sake.

Paula Flinn

Speaker Pelosi and the H of R have passed over 200 bills that are sitting on McConnell’s desk, and he won’t bring them before the Senate. You cannot blame the Dems for that. McConnell is not doing his job. There can be no action, or compromise, with the silent Senate.

Carlos Ponce

Why pass a bill they know will never see the light of day nor President Trump's signature? There are two options with such a bill: amend it so it becomes palatable or discard it. Best thing to do with them is File 13. Just a waste of time while a bill that would mean more jobs and money for Texans (passing USMCA) doesn't get mentioned on the House floor. This bill has bilateral support so why doesn't Pelosi put in up for a vote? She doesn't want Trump to have a victory.

Paula Flinn

You mean like the Repubs didn't want a win for Obama? Obamacare is still going!

This week has been explosive, if you have listened to the hearings. No one should believe Rudy Giuliani or President Trump again. Go ahead and investigate the Bidens, and lets investigate Ivanka and her "brands" she got from China. She and Jared managed to make over $80 million last year for NOT having jobs in the WH? Oh, maybe for being "advisors," and Jared bringing Peace to the Middle East! LOL

Gary Scoggin

“Most Americans see that the Democrats’ partisan impeachment is a hoax.” Actually, the country is pretty evenly split on this. A statistical tie.

Bailey Jones

According to a recent ABC News/Ipsos poll, 70% of Americans think President Donald Trump’s request to a foreign leader to investigate his political rival was wrong. 51% think he should be impeached and removed from office. 6% think he should be impeached, but not removed (this is where my opinion sits). 13% think he was wrong, but shouldn't be impeached or removed. 25% believe that his request to a foreign leader to investigate his political rival wasn't wrong. 4% think this question is too hard. https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-polls/abc-news-impeachment-hearings-Nov-18

Carlos Ponce

Bailey still believes polls are relevant. Fooled him once, shame on them. fooled him since means someone is stupid. The ABC IPSOS poll is skewed to the Left. "Party ID benchmarks are from recent ABC News/Washington Post telephone polls." - NOT reliable.

Emile Pope

Long winded garbage doesn't make it true...

Carlos Ponce

And Emile adds his two cents! Wait... that terse reply wasn't even worth one cent.....[unsure]

Dalton Logan

I would like to take a poll right here and now of all the posters. Give us a thumbs up for all who approve of the destruction of the unborn in the womb, maybe sometimes outside the womb like the Gov. of Va. believes and still profess Christian beliefs, If you desire, give us a passage from the Bible that backs up your belief. Just remember, one of these days you may have to explain why you thought this.

Bailey Jones

[thumbup] ooh ooh me! me! [thumbup]

“Ephraim’s glory will fly away like a bird — no birth, no pregnancy, no conception.

Even if they rear children, I will bereave them of every one.

Woe to them when I turn away from them!

I have seen Ephraim, like Tyre, planted in a pleasant place.

But Ephraim will bring out their children to the slayer.”

Give them, Lord — what will you give them?

Give them wombs that miscarry and breasts that are dry.

“Because of all their wickedness in Gilgal, I hated them there.

Because of their sinful deeds, I will drive them out of my house.

I will no longer love them; all their leaders are rebellious.

Ephraim is blighted, their root is withered, they yield no fruit.

Even if they bear children, I will slay their cherished offspring.”

Fun fact - before they immigrated here, the Trump family name was Ephraim.

(this is what listening to Republicans on the Intelligence Committee sounds like.)

Charles Douglas

Mr.JONES ..Mocking the Word of God is not going to help you or your cause. Of that you can be sure.

Bailey Jones

Technically, Charles, I'm mocking the words of men. Men who claim to speak on God's behalf deserve to be mocked, don't you think?

Gary Scoggin

Twasn't a mock. Bailey was just replying to Mr. Logan's request.

Carlos Ponce

"Ephraim’s glory will fly away like a bird — no birth, no pregnancy, no conception." Duh, Bailey! That means there are NO descendants.

I cannot find any reference that the Trump family name was Ephraim. Can you?

Bailey Jones

"I cannot find any reference that the Trump family name was Ephraim. Can you?" - lol -I can't believe you fell for that.

Carlos Ponce

Bailey, I trusted you for an honorable debate. This proves you are are not a worthy debate opponent.

Bailey Jones

"Bailey, I trusted you for an honorable debate. This proves you are are not a worthy debate opponent." Yay! Very good, Carlos! I'm actually proud of you. You've detected the utter BS of my comment (although I kind of had to explain it to you so you only get partial credit). There's just one more step to this lesson - go back to that comment and read my last sentence, then you'll be caught up with the rest of the class. A solid C+. Well done!

Carlos Ponce

How disappointing.

Dalton Logan

Mr. Daniels, would you like to comment?

Dan Freeman

Trump lies on Fox News, November 22

1. Ukraine is the third most corrupt country in the world. Fact: Transparency International ranks Ukraine at 120 of 180.

2. Marie L. Yovanovich was an Obama person. Fact: She was first appointed by George H. Bush, re-appointed by Barak Obama and Donald J. Trump.

3. Claimed to have been wire tapped by Obama. Fact: No evidence ever provided.

4. Conspiracy theory about Ukrainian interference, not Russia. Fact: Debunked by Trump officials in impeachment hearings, including Dr. Fiona Hill.

5. European nations are not contributing aid to Ukraine. Fact: U.S. has given $2 billion, Europe has given nearly $7.5 billion, with Germany being the largest contributor.

6. Hardly knew Gordon Sondland. Fact: Ambassador Sondland claims to have spoken to Trump more than 20 times and donated $1 million to his inauguration.

7. Claimed the largest tax cut in US history. Fact: Ranks not higher than 7th largest.

8. Claimed whistle blower complaint “bore no relationship to my call”. Fact: it was quite accurate.

9. Claimed credit for Veterans Choice Act. Fact: Signed into law by Obama in 2014.

10. Claimed China paying hundreds of billions in tariffs. Fact: Only $37.6 billion to date.

11. Claimed he “opened” Apple factory in Austin last Wednesday. Fact: It has been operating since 2013.

Paula Flinn

Dan, 2. I heard Marie Ivanovich say she was appointed by Reagan and served 3 Republican Presidents before President Trump.

Carlos Ponce

She's a career diplomat, a member of the US Foreign Service. She was stationed during Reagan's administration in Ottawa. That does not require a presidential appointment, just an application to the US Foreign Service. She was then reassigned to Moscow, London, and Mogadishu. During the Clinton administration she was Deputy Director of the Russian Desk in the U.S. Department of State. She was Deputy Chief of Mission of the U.S. Embassy in Kiev, Ukraine from 2001 to 2004. She was then senior advisor to the Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs. She was appointed U.S. Ambassador to Kyrgyzstan on November 20, 2004, then U.S. Ambassador to Armenia on August 4, 2008. 2012-2013 She was Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary for the Bureau of European and Eurasian Affairs. Obama appointed her as Ambassador to the Ukraine on May 18, 2016 for a three year duty. She was dismissed from that post on May 20, 2019. She was not fired, just replaced.

Craig Mason

So she is an expert on Ukraine is what I believe your point is!!!

Carlos Ponce

Dan Freeman's obfuscations:

1. FACT: Ernst & Young (a multinational professional services firm headquartered in London) put Ukraine among the three most corrupted nations of the world together with Colombia and Brazil. - www.kyivpost.com

2.FACT: Marie L. Yovanovich was appointed AMBASSADOR to the Ukraine on May 18, 2016. Donald Trump never appointed her as Dan Freeman reports.

3. Claimed to have been wire tapped by Obama. Remember he placed "wiretapped" in quotes and he referred to "Trump Towers". CNN - "Exclusive: US government wiretapped former Trump campaign chairman"

https://www.cnn.com/2017/09/18/politics/paul-manafort-government-wiretapped-fisa-russians/index.html

While "wires" weren't exactly "tapped there are more modern methods for electronic surveillance used.

4. Conspiracy theory about Ukrainian interference, not Russia. Dan, BOTH countries interferred, and you can add more countries to that. Liberal Left Politico (not friendly to Trump) investigated it: " Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire - Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost Clinton"

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

5. European nations are not contributing aid to Ukraine. Should we be giving anything to a corrupt government?

6. Hardly knew Gordon Sondland. Fact: Ambassador Sondland claims to have spoken to Trump more than 20 times and donated $1 million to his inauguration.

And your point is? A lot of people who contributed to Trump's campaign and/or inaugural. Does he know each one? Not really.

7. In terms of actual dollars it was the largest.

8. Claimed whistle blower complaint “bore no relationship to my call”. Fact: it was quite accurate - BULLSCHIFF!!!! Have you READ the complaint, Dan???? It is filled with FACTUAL ERRORS. The man lied, embellished or mixed up his stories from various people. Here's the complaint, it bears no resemblance to the actual call:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/read-full-text-whistleblower-complaint-n1058971

What's partially true in it? "I was not a direct witness to most of the events described."

9. Claimed credit for Veterans Choice Act. Fact: Signed into law by Obama in 2014.True. But it was not working so it was replaced.

"Trump Signs $55 Billion Bill to Replace VA Choice Program"

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/06/06/trump-signs-55-billion-bill-replace-va-choice-program.html

10. Claimed China paying hundreds of billions in tariffs. They will pay: "Trump threatens China with $100 billion in new tariffs'

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-threatens-china-with-100-billion-in-new-tariffs/

11. Claimed he “opened” Apple factory in Austin last Wednesday. CEO Tim Cook was standing beside him and did not dispute Trump's claim. The new plant is actually being constructed and will open for full production in 2022 during Trump's second term. What made Liberals unhappy was the crowd at the plant shouting "FOUR MORE YEARS!"

Mike Zeller

Paula Flinn, here's another one. [yawn]

Dan Freeman

Come Mr. Ponce. Your first citation is the Kyiv Post, and it does not support your statement. I checked and the rest are equally silly. You can do better.

Carlos Ponce

Now do a REAL check! And this time make it objective. Everything I posted is easily verified - if you make an HONEST effort.

Carlos Ponce

Dan Freeman posts, "Your first citation is the Kyiv Post, and it does not support your statement." Here's the quote and the website.

"It is no wonder that audit company Ernst & Young put Ukraine among the three most corrupted nations of the world together with Columbia and Brazil."

https://www.kyivpost.com/article/opinion/op-ed/people-first-the-latest-in-the-watch-on-ukrainian-democracy-5-312797.html

Gary Scoggin

So here are the defenses of the President...

1. He didn't do anything.

2. He did something but it wasn't wrong.

3. He did something but since nothing came of it, it's all okay.

Although only one of these can be true, I hear all three defenses mixed together all of the time. It's the throw the spaghetti against the wall and see what sticks strategy of defense.

Mike Zeller

Let's not forget:

Donald Trump: "What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening"

Rudy: "Truth isn't Truth"

Carlos Ponce

Again, taken out of context.

Carlos Ponce

I vote for #1 He didn't do anything! WINNER!

Gary Scoggin

Carlos, You need to check your talking points. I believe Hannity is using all three. You need to keep up.

Cary Semar

The truth is ultimately unknowable, according to Karl Popper (The Open Society and its Enemies), but we should never give up striving to know the truth. At any point in time, the best we can do is form an estimate of the truth based on our current knowledge. Facts must be filtered through the prism of reason and consistency.

The worst thing we can do is be blinded by our hopes and desires. Only the truth shall make us free.

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