The Port of Galveston should move ahead with installing electric vehicle charging stations at various facilities along the public docks.

One of the biggest, and most reasonable, hesitations people have about making the leap from internal-combustion engines to electric motors is a relative scarcity of charging stations.

Michael A. Smith: 409-683-5206; michael.smith@galvnews.com

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Charles Douglas

I disagree! Wait until Trump hear about this!

Charlotte O'rourke

Thanks for the editorial. I found it informative.

Isn’t the power behind the power station still most likely fossil fuels though?

I have one criticism about the project. I couldn’t find it in the budget, and I didn’t see/hear the GWB vote on it. Maybe they did so and I missed it. It sounds like League city elected officials voted and opted out.

I don’t have a strong opinion, but maybe the city can get some fees from this source if it will really can generate revenue. In the long run the port deserves some hot tax funds.

After researching, I found these details in a port report and not an agenda item.

$39,723 = port cost of charger equipment only - level 2

$35,000 = grant for charger equipment

$74,723 total for equipment

No maintenance/service costs provided.

Infrastructure costs not provided but work will be done in-house - didn’t say if full time workers or extra paid temp construction workers

Will hire Electric paid contractor - no costs given

Utilize open-source software where payment is required. Not sure what “payment is required” means.

Charlotte O'rourke

Does the use of “revenue share” and “payment is required” mean there is some type of signed contract between the GWB and a company. If yes, what are the terms?

Charlotte O'rourke

I like the charge ahead title. Lol.

George Croix

No industry has received more public largess than fossil fuels….

Hmmmm……

That would seem appropriate for the industry that makes the products that quite literally provide for every last thing in our lives in one way or another, whether as fuels or chemicals feedstocks. Not a single thing today would be around, including the GDN. without at some point being made possible by crude oil and its fractionated products. You don’t get the chemical feedstocks without also producing the bunkers, gas oils, heating oils, diesels, gasolines, kerosenes/jet fuels, naphthas and lighter ends that go on to be the building blocks to make the plastics and synthetics that make the interiors and control panel frames and such OF electric vehicles, just like they do traditional internal combustion driven vehicles. The very food we eat to survive comes courtesy of fossil fuels driven farm and ranch equipment and ultimately the 18 wheelers to get to the grocery stores, without which we’d starve as few can grow enough in their yards to sustain themselves.

The little plastic GDN newspaper rain covers don’t come from plastic bushes…the laptops folks read the E edition on don’t exist without plastics…

The protesters against fossil fuels never bother to mention their plane, train, bus, car trips to the protest sites. A few years back there was a story about protesters against big oil all holding hands on the beach…every one of them in their poly clothes, flip flops, and plastic framed sunglasses….

Clueless then, and not much improved….

Electric has its place, but not in large amount yet…the power grid is right now under summer blackouts threats, so imagine a huge additional load for vehicle charging…

We should be all in on energy sources, not virtue signaling, when that’s exactly what it is to decry then continue to benefit from something….

More EV charging stations is a positive thing.

They will in all likelihood built from some components and delivered in and installed by workers coming to work in vehicles made possible by fossil fuels….

Hypocrisy indeed….

This is more of the same type denigrating and shaming attempt, imo, that was used for COVID vaccination pushes….

That worked great….

Gary Scoggin

The largesse for fossil fuels comes mainly from the ability to use the atmosphere as a dump for the products of combustion. That’s why I favor an economy wide price on carbon emissions and no subsidies. But everything on an equal basis and let the marketplace sort it out.

George Croix

Otherwise known as the results of building the greatest nation on the planet….

Still ours, but maybe not the wealthiest after we ‘Stop Inflation’ by dumping a few hundred billion bucks more onto it…

But, I digress..

Weren’t carbon credits, well, discredited as little if anything more than wealth redistribution?

And as a tax by any other name on those unable to afford to upgrade their fossil fuels burning stuff to newer and more efficient?

May be wrong… that’s your line of work Gary so straighten me out….

Bailey Jones

[thumbup] I agree with Michael. And I'll just note that subsidies for the public good are not new in the United States - from protective tariffs for our early industries, to millions of acres given away to the railroads and homestead farmers, to the Bell telephone monopoly, to the interstate highway system, to rural electrification, to the mortgage interest deduction, and on and on, the government has always had its thumb on the scales. I think encouraging economic development is a legitimate function of government, and one of the most important. Galveston should be looking to the future - and the future is electric cars - automobiles that are superior to ICE cars in every way, except for access to fueling stations.

Jose' Boix

As we are seemingly enticed to morph to electric cars, we should consider these points:

1. To date electricity is mostly "made" from "oil."

2. On a cost of MPG of "oil," what is the current projected cost of the "EVs"?

3. I understand that while "oil fueling" is quick, "electric re-charging" is either time consuming or if using a "quick charge" won't get EVs many miles.

Not sure that such "investment" is fully understood as a shrewd one at this time.

Just my thoughts.

Charlotte O'rourke

All good points. I finally listened to the discussions - one at the port (short - about 2 minutes with no vote or major questions). It was this is what staff has done - basically, it’s a done deal. Revenue sharing was mentioned but no details or contract terms were discussed.

The lengthy discussion at the League City meeting discussed the possibility of using hot tax funds for electric chargers and public-private partnerships with revenue sharing as well as different grant options. If hot tax were used here it could have saved the port money from equipment purchase, installation, and maintenance.

My problem has and will continue to be -not which way the vote eventually goes- but with the total failure of any type of board policy discussion and direction before it’s a done deal and the money spent.

I think I have beaten my horse enough on this topic. I find electric cars interesting 🤔….. much better than national politics. Lol.

Dalton Logan

Here are a few of the things I have learned.

- the cost of the home charger system runs between $250-$2000

- battery replacement can be anywhere between $4000-$15,000

- batteries are almost 40% of the cost of the car

- batteries are an environmental nightmare due to manufacturing and disposal

- if you plan on using the air conditioner, having luggage and carry passengers you you will probably only get about half of the rated millage millage (if you are going to Dallas with the family in the summer time you will have to stop 1-2 times to charge up at about 2 hours each time)

- battery capacity starts decreasing as soon as you start using the EV

- EV insurance cost more

- EV repairs are more expensive then gas fueled cars/trucks

- the car does not have a single battery it has multiple batteries and one bad battery could possibly leave you stranded

- utilizing air conditioning, heating, electric windows, radio, and other electrical devices reduce your mile to travel

George Croix

There ya go, Dalton...

EV's are superior in every way to internal combustion driven powered vehicles....except for all the ways they are not.....

grin

Theb, we can move along to farm and industrial and construction vehicles and equipment electric superiorities....once they exist in any number beyond minuscule...

George Croix

Theb..?

Then....

Fat fingers...too many M&M Peanut candies...

Cary Semar

With regard to your first point, that electrical energy is mostly made from hydrocarbons, it is my understanding that stationary electrical plants fueled with hydrocarbons are more efficient than gasoline powered automobiles in converting those fuels into energy. Use of EV's might be a net benefit in terms of total energy usage and CO2 emissions. In other words, it is probably better to use those hydrocarbons to generate electrical energy than for any other purpose.

George Croix

Good point, Cary.

Better is a yes, and a no.

It's better if one can use (and afford) an EV that still does what they did with their gasser/diesel, and it's not if that is not so. This presumes ability to 'fuel' up, too.

The political climate crisis assumes everyone in a state of 'equity', the latest buzz word, when like all such political driven and self-serving stuff, it's anything but.

If we were serious about tackling and adapting to whatever the climate actually changes to, as it always does, we'd not be yammering about a one size fits all approach...

We'd right now be waiving useless delay tactics permitting and building like crazy as many of those stationary NG fired power plants as we could....

Jose' Boix

It may be semantics, but if memory serves, what we call "hydrocarbons" are mostly derived from the cracking of oil (petroleum). The cracking process yields lots of "hydrocarbons" one being what we called "gasoline" or "diesel" to name two.

George Croix

Fractionation 101, Jose.

With a touch of catalytic cracking and some hydrotreating toppings….and lastbut not least, some delayed coking…

Brad Dillon

Make sure all the charging stations are "green" also, solar or wind powered. Keep them off the grid since it has its own issues. I love the pictures of EVs plugged into evil fossil fuel generators, it kind of defeats the purpose of being green.

George Croix

I have somewhere in the pile of old, old albums a sepia type picture of a group of men standing around a Model T by the old Farmers Market that was on the east side of Nacogdoches. On the front of that car was a steel ring somebody had attached to it.

Hanging from the ring was a singletree....

Norman Pappous

Nothing says 'elitist' like "Hey! Let's use taxpayer funds to make it easier for me to fuel up my car that 99% of the population can't afford!"

Dalton Logan

Give it a few years, you will be able to buy one at a big discount because every used car lot will have an abundance to choose from.

Emilio Nicolas

Duh! Just like giving gas cars a few years … they are on the used car lot now.

Bailey Jones

Norman, that would certainly be elitist if it was true. The average price for a new car in the US is $47K. You can buy a brand new EV (Nissan or Chevy) locally today for less than $35K. Given that every major car manufacturer plans to transition either mostly or entirely to EVs in the next decade, planning ahead is just good sense. EVs are destined to be the car for the common man.

Norman Pappous

"With that said, the $66,000 average EV transaction price in the US as reported by Kelley Blue Book (KBB) is an increase of over 13 percent compared to a year ago.

...." https://insideevs.com/news/600554/electric-car-us-average-price-66000/

George Croix

The common man financially is not necessarily the same as the common man in Texas, or in Vermont.

There is a problem, for any of us, with citing averages to prove apoint.

That problem is that there is no average that suits all, obviously...

A farmer is not going to be able too use the same EV as an office desk jockey, for instance....

Anyone with a hobby or job requiring carrying items bigger than a basket of groceries can't, either....

I think EVERYONE'S opinion on Evs and the future of transportation, et al, is valuable, but we need to remember that opinion(s) is mostly driven by what each person needs transportation for, not any average for an entire nation....

Jose' Boix

This discussion made me look into the "rear mirror." Back in mid-1970s we had the Middle East Oil Crisis, and the US began the big switch to small 4-cylinder fuel efficient cars. Remember the Chevette, Dodge Omni and Plymouth Horizon, Ford Pinto/Mercury Bobcat twins, the AMC Gremlin and Chevrolet Vega. Then the X cars - the Chevrolet Citation, Pontiac Phoenix, Oldsmobile Omega and Buick Skylark. Where are these cars now? Are we into the EV cycle? Interesting!

George Croix

Everybody who could got rid of the little coffins on wheels a fast as they could.

grin

Lot has happened in nearly 50 years.

Carter signed into law legislation establishing the Strategic Petroleum Reserve in ‘75.

One of the very few wise moves by him. If only it had ever remained exactly that, a strategic reserve, we’d be better off, especially now that we’re back to kissing foreigners rears for oil. Every President has used it for reasons good or lame, and I don’t think, but may be wrong, it’s ever been full…

Now you’ve got me on Memory lane…

In ‘74 when gas lines were ridiculous there was a little stop and rob store/gas pumps at the S/E corner of Texas & 14th # St. Haven’t been down that way in years so may be gone. Gas line protocol was wait your turn, get your allotted amount when you got to a pump after an hour or so, replace nozzle, get the heck out of way for next guy.

Tempers usually strained but all suffering so lived with it.

Never forget when two mid 20’s looking guys finished gassing their car, instead of hanging the hose up, they RAISED it up to dump the cup or two of gas in it into their tank, which of course meant car behind would lose that little bit.

Big mistake. Guy behind them unrolled from his car, looking pretty much like what Hulk Hogan looked like a few years later, and beat the ever lovin’ crap out of both them. One dragged back into his car and drove off leaving second guy on ground.

‘Hulk’ pulled up, filled, up, left…

Second guy still on ground…

I remember because I later felt bad doing nothing, but another 40 or 50 people didn’t, either….

Hard times make for, well, hard times…

John Merritt

You have a big empty parking lot at the GDN building. Put it there.

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