Flights from airports around the world are being canceled. Cruise ships aren’t allowed to dock. Good luck trying to buy a bottle of hand sanitizer. And even the Italians have stopped kissing.

More than 100,000 people in 90 countries have fallen ill, and, yes, people are dying.

The coronavirus really is a thing. It’s spreading, and even as you’re reading this it is probably snaking its way through a community near you, just waiting for one expelled droplet from an infected person to waft on the breeze right into your nasal cavities.

To quote Friday’s decree from the World Health Organization, “This is not a drill,” folks.

Closer to home, Austin’s crazy-popular South by Southwest festival has been canceled, leaving an estimated 70,000 music, film and tech fanatics in the lurch.

And closer still, the University of Texas Medical Branch is not only holding meetings to educate residents about coronavirus, but it’s practicing what it preaches internally as well.

The medical branch is urging students and staff to avoid all air travel in coming weeks and months and especially to avoid international travel.

Those who do travel internationally must be evaluated for exposure before returning to their jobs or classes. Some will be required to self-isolate for up to 14 days, depending on the country to which they traveled.

The medical branch is suspending visits by international students and other visitors and is considering ways to limit people visiting patients in its hospital buildings. And it’s exploring ways to allow employees to work remotely if people must be quarantined at home.

Even attendance at the medical branch’s Match Day ceremony is limited to students only this year. The annual celebratory event at which fourth-year medical students learn where they will serve their residencies is similar to a graduation and usually includes students’ relatives.

Maybe you’ve been a little flippant about coronavirus. Maybe you’ve been singing “CORVID-19” to the tune of “Come on, Eileen” or scoffing at washing your hands while humming the “Happy Birthday” song in full, twice.

And you can keep doing that. Just also keep washing those hands. Thoroughly.

(Frankly, we’re still kind of stumped as to why people are talking about washing their hands as though it’s a new thing, but that’s a whole other concern.)

Granted, there are mixed messages being bandied about. President Donald Trump said it’s under control. (It’s not.) The World Health Organization said it’s not a pandemic. (Isn’t it? A pandemic is defined as “a situation in which a new virus is causing sustained community-level outbreaks in at least two world regions.”)

Experts are saying not to panic, but at the same time, countries throughout the world are feeling dire medical, social and economic gut punches as a result of the rapidly spreading virus.

Death tolls are rising, but the vast majority of people who contract the virus — well more than 90 percent — experience relatively mild symptoms and complete recovery.

The keywords here seem to be controlled reaction and common sense, both of which sit comfortably in the middle between the extremes of hysteria and willful ignorance.

With the World Health Organization declaring this “not a drill” and our area’s most respected and level-headed medical professionals implementing prevention and containment efforts within their own facility, it’s time.

To prepare, not to panic. To listen, not to laugh it off. And definitely time to wash your dang hands.

Margaret Battistelli Gardner

Margaret Battistelli Gardner: 409.683.5227; Margaret.Gardner@galvnews.com

Deputy Managing Editor

Margaret joined The Daily New in December 2019, bringing more than 20 years of editorial experience to the team. A Philadelphia native, she lives in Galveston County with her husband, Steve, and their dog Nanook.

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(61) comments

Ron Woody

In the US approximately 11,000 people have died from the flu since January 1st, 10 from Coronavirus. Yet an estimated 50% of Americans do not get a flu shot. Just as with a flu virus, Coronavirus affects older Americans and those that already possess additional ailments more than the general population.

I find the cultural difference interesting that SXSW is being cancelled yet I have heard no such consideration for the Houston rodeo.

Could it be that playing with outside in the dirt and manure leads to a stronger immune system or is it just the belief and understanding that when working sometimes you just keep moving on and ignore the paranoia if others.

I do however wash my hands!

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Margaret Gardner

Thanks for commenting, Ron. I also wondered about the rodeo. It could be that SXSW draws a much larger international crowd than the rodeo does.

Don Schlessinger

Cowboys wash their hands.

Ron Woody

19 from Coronavirus. I fat fingered the entry.

Wayne D Holt

Thank you for sounding the alarm; I believe it may be well warranted. Here's a different perspective with a much more dire outlook from someone with a level of expertise to comment with confidence.

Dr. Richard Hatchett, who sat on the White House Homeland Security Council in 2005 - 2006 and was a principal author of the National Strategy for Pandemic Influenza Implementation Plan, and currently heads the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations, told the UK's Channel 4:

"This is the most frightening disease I've ever encountered in my career, and that includes Ebola, it includes MERS, it includes SARS. And it's frightening because of the combination of infectiousness and a lethality that appears to be manyfold higher than flu."

He went on to say, "I think the most concerning thing about this virus is the combination of infectiousness and the ability to cause severe disease or death. And we have not since 1918, the Spanish Flu, seen a virus that combined those two qualities in the same way. We have seen very lethal viruses. We have seen certainly, Ebola, or Nipah, or any of the other diseases that CEPI, the organisation that I run, works on - but those viruses had high mortality rates - I mean, Ebola's mortality rate in some settings is greater than 80%. But they don't have the infectiousness that this does. They don't have the potential to explode and spread globally."

The big difference between Covid-19 and some of the other diseases mentioned is that it appears to be highly infectious as an airborne agent, which I believe the others were not. It is infectious upon direct contact with an infected surface but hand wipes aren't going to help minute droplets that are shed by coughing or sneezing.

We should be erring on the side of caution and not think this is going to be just another flu season for most people.

Bailey Jones

I think the next 4-6 weeks will tell the tale.

Ron Woody

Mr. Holt, I appreciate the seriousness with which we must address concerns about the Coronavirus. That being stated I did not see one fact in his statement. It is filled with, I think, I believe and hyperbole.

In my 60 years on this planet I have learned to understand why a person is saying what they are saying and not just what they are saying.

Dr. Hatchett leads a foundation that receives its funding from public, private, philanthropic and civil organizations. That comes direct from his organizations website.

To deny that Dr. Hatchett's organization can increase their funding by elevating the alarm if Coronavirus should not be ignored. Where are his facts.

The facts are more people in the US die everyday from the flu than have died in two months from Coronavirus yet we do not even consider changing our lives for flu which is much more deadly. Every public official that has no potential for monetary gain has stated this should be handled as we do the flu. Why are their statements in contrast to Dr. Hatchett's? Hmmmm!

Give me facts and I will listen, propaganda from an individual that has a financial gain in a crisis is not fact.

Sharon Stratman

"Give me facts and I will listen, propaganda from an individual that has a financial gain in a crisis is not fact."

You mean like the president?

Carlos Ponce

Does the president have an opportunity for financial gain in this? No.

Bailey Jones

oooh... beat me to it.

Rodney Dunklee

About a week ago the US had about 100 cases and seven deaths reported for Coronavirus. Aren't there hundreds of thousands of flu cases that produce about 170 deaths daily? The deaths per infected with the Coronavirus appear to be scary-higher. That is a concern.

Bailey Jones

It is a real concern. The notion that the flu is deadlier than COVID is based on flawed logic. Many more people have died from the flu, but the flu infects tens or hundreds of millions each year. The total number of reported COVID-19 cases is in the 100,000 range. COVID-19 has a higher mortality rate than the flu, perhaps 20X to 100X higher (the numbers are still hazy). But even if the rate is just 10X the mortality of the flu, it's bad news. The extreme measures being taken (what some call "panic") are trying to keep COVID-19 from breaking out in the general population, like the flu - because then, like the flu, it will come back every year. Imagine a yearly "flu" epidemic 20X deadlier than what we're used to - that's what all of this is about, not the few hundred deaths we've seen so far. There's no need for the general population to panic, but there is a need for governments and corporations to take action to contain the virus.

AJ LeBlanc

The mortality rate from Corvid-19 is clearly higher than the seasonal flu. Furthermore, the C-19 virus appears to be more easily transmitted than the season flu. If C-19 were to spread through the general population to the same extent as the seasonal flu, then the number of fatalities would be horrendous. For these two reasons the efforts to stop the spread of C-19 appear to be justified. As far as persons buying supplies to prevent or cope with the C-19 virus, it hardly seems that "panic" buying is an appropriate description. Taking precautions and making plans to protect oneself and family is called preparation. Thoughtful planning, appropriate action and good conduct is what carries us through things like the everyday life, the season flu and even hurricane season.

Wayne D Holt

With all due respect, I think you are missing the point, Ron. Your statement about the number of cases would be germane if we had good numbers to base it on. It is common knowledge the Chinese government made a determined effort to undercount cases as this began to go hockey stick up. Do you really believe the Chinese government would risk imploding their debt-drenched economy by shutting down hundreds of millions of their working class and imploding exports, their lifeblood?

Confirmed cases seem to be doubling in just a few days, an exponential rate that looks to epidemiologists as if this is much more highly infectious than the flu strains you mention.

The fact that Dr. Hatchett leads an organization that is dedicated to research on pandemics in no way provides a shred of evidence that was the reason for his alarm. If you are looking for facts, you may want to provide more than your conjecture on his motivation, just to be consistent.

This may or may not be a pandemic of Spanish Flu proportions but I am always amazed at the many folks on news film reports who say, " I never thought it would happen to me." Bad things happen. Even to Americans.

Charlotte O'rourke

I agree with taking precautions and even though Dr. Carlson took flack for saying so ....(paraphrased) think for yourself and your family and decide what is in your best interests.

Don’t panic. Be prepared. Take precautions.

It is not what is being said, but what is being done. Actions not hyperbole.

Do you think health care providers dress up in full protective gear to scare the public or to protect themselves, family, and others from harm? Do you think governments quarantine and lock down large areas and cancel events to hurt the economy or to protect the citizens?

At this time the mortality rate is listed higher than most flu events, but is unknown due to lack of data. The best estimate to date is 2-3%. So limiting the number of exposures is very important.

Jim Forsythe

What is important. is to be prepared. One thing we all can do is have are hurricane kits in place now. Food, water, and personal supplies. If not used now, they can be stored so if a need arises later, we are ready.

A lot about the coronavirus is not known. The earliest reported symptoms of coronavirus occurred on 1 December 2019. The first case in the USA was reported on January 15. We can not wait until 100% is known to take action. Just in the short time that we first become aware of COVID-19, it may have mutated into strains, L and S. The research suggested the L strain is more aggressive, either transmitting more easily or replicating faster inside the body. this theory is speculative at this stage.

Things will change as more is known, hopefully for the better, but till then, we must be ready.

Bailey Jones

Bread can be used for toilet paper, but not vice versa. Horde responsibly.

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Margaret Gardner

[beam]

Carlos Ponce

A doctor on a news show reported such viruses do not flourish in humid climates. Look forward to Galveston's heat and humidity!

"Flu Risk And Weather: It's Not The Heat, It's The Humidity"

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2013/03/08/173816815/flu-risk-and-weather-its-not-the-heat-its-the-humidity

"What evidence there is comes by analogy with other viruses—some other coronaviruses and more distantly related respiratory viruses such as influenza, which do tend to transmit better in the winter months. 'It's certainly possible that spring in the northern hemisphere will decrease transmission, but this isn't guaranteed as we don't yet know enough about the new virus to be sure,' he said."

https://www.newsweek.com/could-coronavirus-really-killed-hot-weather-scientists-weigh-1486709

Viruses spread through respiratory droplets that are released when an infected person coughs or sneezes. And the droplets are more likely to spread under certain conditions. "What we know is that they're [the droplets] are better at staying afloat when the air is cold and dry, " says McGraw. "When the air is humid and warm, [the droplets] fall to the ground more quickly, and it makes transmission harder."

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/02/12/805256402/can-coronavirus-be-crushed-by-warmer-weather

Bailey Jones

OMG Carlos is quoting NPR. Now I know it's a crisis.

Carlos Ponce

If I quoted Breitbart, FOX or anything remotely Conservative you wouldn't consider what is written,. So I chose a Liberal source.

Bailey Jones

I appreciate the effort, but it's wasted on me since I'm an avid NPR consumer.

Ron Woody

Mr. Jones, Now that was FUNNY!!!!

Bailey Jones

Good thing no one lives, eats, plays or works in air conditioned spaces.

Carlos Ponce

I keep my AC at 78° F and central heat at 66° F.

Ron Woody

When 80 to 85% of the individuals that may have the coronavirus experience mild symptoms we will never know the total number of individuals that have experienced coronavirus, same goes with the flu. I have never in my life been to a doctor for flu or flu like symptoms yet I am sure that I have had it at some time in my 60 years. So I like I am sure many are an unreported statistic. Same will happen with coronavirus.

After all weren't we all supposed to be diagnosed or dead from HIV/AIDS by now based on the scientific estimates from the 1980's. Now one could state that the emphasis placed on HIV/AIDS helped with education and slowed the growth of the virus so that is a good thing. If the same is happening with coronavirus then that is also good.

It just seems a significant impact on the economy when a limited population contracts the virus and only 15 to 20% experience any adverse affects to their health.

Jim Forsythe

Not enough is know about this coronavirus, to say what will happen with warm weather and humidity. I hope it does not follow MERS, which thrives in high-temperature Gulf countries.

The Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases: “The wild card here is that this is a brand new virus, this novel coronavirus, and we do not know if it’s going to diminish as the weather gets warm. We can’t count on that,” he said.

A number of flu pandemics have come in late spring or summer, including the 2009 H1N1 pandemic flu and the 1957 flu in the U.S.

In Canada, one SARS outbreak was controlled by mid-April, but another peaked in late May. Another coronavirus, the one responsible for the Middle East respiratory syndrome, or MERS, thrives in high-temperature Gulf countries, suggesting it’s not particularly susceptible to environmental conditions.

Carlos Ponce

According to the map, not much COVID 19 activity in South America or Africa but it does appear in Australia. Most Corona family viruses usually stop with warmer and more humid environs.

Jim Forsythe

Until we have gone through the summer and the fall, we have no way of knowing what will happen with the coronavirus. With no track record, surprises will happen.

The novelty of the coronavirus – its introduction to a previously untouched population – means it could bulldoze through the spring virus barrier that limits most flu seasons.

Ron Woody

Interesting brief from McKinsey & Company and the potential economic effects.

https://www.mckinsey.com/business-functions/risk/our-insights/covid-19-implications-for-business?cid=other-eml-alt-mip-mck&hlkid=d7f4375541bb4f7b8a5197469c162053&hctky=2663652&hdpid=5d2d919f-402a-4cc1-bb7f-cd772a29f8d0

Ron Woody

From the McKinsey Brief - It would appear to support that the more humidity the better.

Seasonality. There is no evidence so far about the virus’s seasonality (that is, a tendency to subside in the northern hemisphere as spring progresses). Coronaviruses in animals are not always seasonal but have historically been so in humans for reasons that are not fully understood. In the current outbreak, regions with higher temperatures (such as Singapore, India, and Africa) have not yet seen a broad, rapid propagation of the disease.

Jim Forsythe

Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) became the latest member of Congress to announce that he will self-quarantine as a precautionary measure after coming into contact with a person who tested positive for the coronavirus at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC). The others, Sen. Ted Cruz (Texas) and Reps. Paul Gosar (Ariz.) and Doug Collins (Ga.). The President and V.P. were also at the Conservative Political Action Conference.

Bailey Jones

I wouldn't worry about Trump, nothing sticks to that guy. But CPAC was attended, I assume, by people from every state. Mostly old people with dank, dark, heavily composted ideologies - perfect soil for the virus. It is ironic that Trump's worst nightmare is being propagated all across America by those who love him most.

Carlos Ponce

"Mostly old people with dank, dark, heavily composted ideologies"

"old people" - some are

McLaughlin & Associates Demographics of CPAC showed:

Age Under 18 = 5%

18 - 25 = 26%

26 - 40 = 11%

41 - 55 = 14%

56 - 65 = 22%

66 - 75 = 18%

over 75 = 4%

So 65 and under = 78%, Old people 66+ = 22% Median average age = 45.76. Mode average age = 18 - 25.

"dark, dank heavily composited ideologies" I don't see anyone like that in this group.

Bailey Jones

Look at you - scrambling for real data. I'm so proud!

Carlos Ponce

Scrambling? No. But I've always done that. You just haven't noticed.

Emile Pope

Where's Donald's strategy for combating this pandemic? Where's his healthcare plan? What about those without insurance? Or the one's he's taking their healthcare away what are they supposed to do?

Dalton Logan

Simply made up

Ray Taft

The overall mortality rate of a disease depends on the demographics of a population. That’s what’s happening with the coronavirus.

The coronavirus mortality rate is highest among the elderly. As people age, the chances of developing at least one condition that weakens their immune system increases. That’s why Italy’s mortality rate is high. Italy has the oldest population in Europe.

Another issue is the number of people in a given area who require medical care — having a lot of ill people wanting care in a single region could overwhelm the medical system. Like what happened in Wuhan, China, the epicenter. The Chinese healthcare system lacks resources. Communist dictators don’t care about people. So their death rate is higher.

The coronavirus can be very mild in healthy young individuals, who feel they have no need for treatment or testing. However, as officials expand testing, more mild cases are found, which lowers the overall death rate. So the mortality rate from the coronavirus is not as astronomical as some would have us believe.

The coronavirus spread to other countries from China. Countries with open borders are going to have more coronavirus cases. In the U.S., President Trump closed our borders to foreigners and required isolation for Americans returning from overseas. President Trump also marshaled America’s resources to get prepared for the coronavirus coming here before it becomes a serious problem, unlike what then President Obama and his Democrats did not do with the H1N1 outbreak.

Without any doubt, President Trump has America’s back and the open-border do-nothing Democrats, who want a crisis to take out Trump, definitely do not.

Emile Pope

Simply made up...

Charles Douglas

Mr. Taft> Yes Sir!! Yes Sirrrrrrah!!!! AMEN!! Tell The Truth Then!!!![thumbup][thumbup]

Bailey Jones

Thank God the president's talking points are still safe!

Charles Douglas

I got some talking points for you Mr. Jones, how about ole Joe Biden running for President but don't know his WIFE from his SISTER? OH! Excuse me ....I should have said Joe O'Biden! I MEAN ..that is what he calls himself now right? Really? This Old sinile man is who the LEFT wants in the OVAL OFFICE? NO wonder this country had gone to the dumps, with every other nation using us for their personal restroom, before TRUMP took over! Our Military did not even have parts for repairs on pertinent equipment, until TRUMP came, this is why he enjoys their support today! Talking about the destruction of the constitution, call Eric Snowden and ask him who were violating the constitution! Now he is living in exile because he spilled the beans on OBAMA and the DEEP STATE! China is manufacturing all our pharmacy medicines, and the LORD only knows what else the LEFT is hiding from the public. I MEAN what other FOOLS would allow their enemy to control and manufacture their medicines and Pharmaceutical supplies, but America LEFTISTS, who want open borders, FREE STUFF for everybody who comes across those borders. What's going to happen when most of the world's poor and homeless, law-breakers, and sick people from other nations pour across those borders? Last question, why is the LEFT so afraid and frantic now about that CORAVIRUS? I thought they wanted this kind of stuff in this country! They seem to want most other bad things in the world to come here. I say one last thing, IF I HATED THIS COUNTRY, the way many of these people hate America, I'd pull up stakes and move to Cuba, Venezuela, Russia, IRAN, or China!

Charles Douglas

One thing I forgot! The world sees how the DNC is jacking Crazy Bernie around, and taking the election from him. I don't care ... One is no better than the other to me. Mr. O'Biden won't be calling the shots if he were to win anyway. We all know that. This is why Obama would not endorce him! He knows the man is not worthy of the OVAL OFFICE! Seven minutes political speeches, and now they want to change the format from debate to a town hall setting with Bernie! That is okay by me too! Just don't expect that to work with TRUMP in a general election! Trump can and will expose Mr. O'Biden for who he really is, and afterwards, he will be hated all the more, for nothing! Trump will demolish that man in a straight up debate and everybody knows it! So why did they even let the man in the field? Kamala Harris would have been a better choice that that man.

Bailey Jones

Charles, do you honestly believe that I hate America?

Wayne D Holt

You're on a roll now, Bailey : )

Charles Douglas

Mr. Jones! I took the liberty to copy and past what you asked about in my prior post:............

" I say one last thing, IF I HATED THIS COUNTRY, the way many of these people hate America, I'd pull up stakes and move to Cuba, Venezuela Russia, or China!" Note sir that I said, "MANY OF THE PEOPLE I WAS TALKING ABOUT!" I did not say Mr. JONES! To be more specific "NO" I do not think YOU hate America, but Many of those who stand to gain power, money, or favors, I DO! You must remember, we are being moved and minipulated like pieaces on a chess board. It is people in the governmental chairs power that I was speaking of! Mayors, Congresspeople, Governors, and Senators and Presidents who are making the moves. Face it! All we do is vote! Look at what Schumer, Shifty SCHIFF, and others have done recently, and unafraid of consequences and repercussions from voters.

Bailey Jones

I believe you generalize too much, Charles. I do not believe that "Mayors, Congresspeople, Governors, and Senators and Presidents" - even your president - hate America. I do believe that many, perhaps most, of America has a different vision of America than what Trump has wrought - but that's against Trump, and he is not America.

"Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionaries and rebels—men and women who dared to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion." - Dwight D. Eisenhower

Carlos Ponce

Trump's vision is to make and keep America GREAT! I believe we all want that.

Jim Forsythe

Trump's vision, not everybody's.

Mike Zeller

Carlos, I now think we need to make America great again, that's why I'm going with a BLUE MAGA HAT.

https://www.roguecart.com/content/362/AntiTrump-Hats

Carlos Ponce

Good for you, Mike! I understand you wore a RED football uniform.

Ted Gillis

Bailey, I don’t see how you do it, when they all gang up on you, Carlos, Ray, Charles and the others. I salute you!

Bailey Jones

Water off a duck's back.

Charles Douglas

Mr. Jones, I could care less about what Old General Ike said so many years ago! Love is more than talk.. to God and Jesus too. In John CHAPTER thirteen, Jesus decided to teach his disciples what love he wanted them to know. He submitted or humbled himself to gird-up and wash their "funky" feet! All of them, even the fool who did not have the wherewithal to ask for gold when he betrayed him! That fool comeback with silver. Anyway, Jesus told his Disciples, "A new commandment I give you, that you LOVE one another as I have love you ...that you LOVE one another! ....And by THIS.. others will know that you are my disciples!" What was the THIS Jesus was referring to? I'll tell you .. WHAT HE DID TO THEIR FEET...which was a practical expression of compassion or Agape love!!! It was a demonstration of love! A demonstration of being blessed as Jesus was to be a blessing to his disciples! Now you tell me what the [censored] is what Jesus said love supposed to be like, lines up with what the LEFT IS DOING TO AMERICA! In our Democratic led cities, in our schools, to our veterans, what, what, what Mr. JONES? THE BIBLE says he who is led by the Spirit Of God are sons of God. I did not say that GOD did. Sorry if somebody don't agree. You don't love a person by framing him for treason, spying on him, lying on him, setting up conspiracies with others to lie on him and impeach him out of office. Again, I'm sorry if you don't agree! Everybody has been Set free from the devil, The works of Christ did that. However, just like in the centuries before us, SOME SLAVES elected to stay enslaved and had a hole bored in their ears to prove it to anybody! We have people today who are led by their SOUL or Flesh, ..and therfore are subjected to the same things which brought LUCIFER DOWN!!! The gospel says God cannot lie, neither will his word, and just because an individual does not agree with it does not mean that GOD does not know what he is talking about. You don't want me to get started quoting scriptures and such! I'm trying to keep this short, and sweet! You know what, I got a lot if work to do with you. GARY will be back in a couple of months, and he can help with that bipartisan lane! Like they said in EAST TEXAS so many years ago, " I BE GLAD!"

Bailey Jones

Charles, you know I like you, but to love America while accusing half of it of hate seems less like patriotism and more like despotism.

Jesus said "You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect."

It's a hard lesson and I don't profess to be very good at it, but my election year resolution is to try.

Charles Douglas

Mr. JONES, calling out or pointing out wrongdoing, is not and never will be forbidden under the covenant of Jesus Christ. He came to seek and to save that which is lost, and to teardown the works of the Devil. How could he have done that without pointing out or calling out those who were doing wrong where he ministered or traveled? Now that he has the body of Christ in the earth ...we inherited what he started. You are confusing condemnation with correcting! Love is not violated by telling people they are doing wrong or sinning! If it were then was Jesus sinning or condemning with his ministry here? NO, NO I SAY!!!!! Was his Disciples sinning after him when they did the same after his crucifixion? NO AGAIN! This then is a problem today, not only in this country but in the world, to many individuals are REMAINING quiet about wrongdoing, because of FEAR, APATHY, or IGNORANCE of the word, and NOT enough individuals are preaching or giving voice to what is right! Now, there is no doubt in my mind that I am skilled enough in the WORD of GOD, to understand the difference between Love and Hate Mr. JONES, and I cannot be carried about this way or that way by every wind of FALSE DOCTRINE... or HERESY which might come my way. That is why progressive sanctification is so important, and not remaining a Convert Christian after being born again is so important, but surging forward as Jesus did, working, studying, grinding, thereby growing in wisdom, stature, and in favor of GOD and Man. God's people must not be ashamed of the Gospel, for it is the power of God onto salvation to those who believe, first to the Jew, then to the Greek ..( Gentiles ).

Bailey Jones

You confuse action with intent, Charles. It's perfectly fine - and in fact, useful - to point out wrong actions by politicians or anyone else. But you don't stop there. You presume to judge the hearts of the actors, and accuse them of hating their country. Perhaps you imagine that you possess the same "gift of discernment" that Carlos imagines he has?

Charles Douglas

No Mr. JONES I'm not wrong, but you are! You've been listening to so many DEMOCRATS that you are all mixed up. You keep speaking what they say, and I will keep speaking what God says! What did God SAY? He said what comes out of the heart will tell you what kind.of individual you are encountering! He used a tree as a metaphor in making his point through Jesus in Matthew 12. Make the tree good and it's fruit good ..or make the tree bad and the fruit bad, for the tree is know by the fruit it bears! Now when there are those in this country who lie, conspire, fake documents, testify falsely and God only knows what else to railroad a man out of the highest office in the land that is known as HATE! When the same people go after the First, Second, Fourth, AMENDMENT'S to the constitution of this country, threatens the Supreme Court, I call that HATING THIS COUNTRY. When the same people want to tear down our borders ...exposing this country to certain dangers that comes with OPEN BORDERS ... I CALL that HATING THIS COUNTRY. Now I don't know what you call it and that what so beautiful about this country, one is free to think and believe for himself! That is the BIG reason I am not a bound up Democrat anymore.

Charles Douglas

One more thing, they put people on trial in this country FOR HATE CRIMES! HATE thinking , HATE speaking, will usually be transformed into HATE actions ....all coming from a heart which is ruled by a person who is not in control of his own spirit. PROVERBS 25:28.

See it is the mature spirit of man, which will facilitate a heart after GOD, or an inmature, spirit of man who will allow the SOUL of man to facilitate an evil heart prone to encourage an individual to do EVIL, HATEFUL things in the earth. The heart of man is his control center or where his decisions are made! Anytime you want to sit with Mr. CARLOS PONCE and Brother Charles, and catch up .....we might be able to arrange something! We been doing this for many many years and we know of what we speak! I'd have a problem trying to school you in engineering right? Well the Gospel is one of my stomping grounds.[wink]

Charles Douglas

AMEN! I'm going to write myself an offering and send it to GUATEMALA with one of my missionarys!!

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