Alabama Alaska Arizona Arkansas California Colorado Connecticut Delaware Florida Georgia Hawaii Idaho Illinois Indiana Iowa Kansas Kentucky Louisiana Maine Maryland Massachusetts Michigan Minnesota Mississippi Missouri Montana Nebraska Nevada New Hampshire New Jersey New Mexico New York North Carolina North Dakota Ohio Oklahoma Oregon Pennsylvania Rhode Island South Carolina South Dakota Tennessee Texas Utah Vermont Virginia Washington Washington D.C. West Virginia Wisconsin Wyoming Puerto Rico US Virgin Islands Armed Forces Americas Armed Forces Pacific Armed Forces Europe Northern Mariana Islands Marshall Islands American Samoa Federated States of Micronesia Guam Palau Alberta, Canada British Columbia, Canada Manitoba, Canada New Brunswick, Canada Newfoundland, Canada Nova Scotia, Canada Northwest Territories, Canada Nunavut, Canada Ontario, Canada Prince Edward Island, Canada Quebec, Canada Saskatchewan, Canada Yukon Territory, Canada
United States of America US Virgin Islands United States Minor Outlying Islands Canada Mexico, United Mexican States Bahamas, Commonwealth of the Cuba, Republic of Dominican Republic Haiti, Republic of Jamaica Afghanistan Albania, People's Socialist Republic of Algeria, People's Democratic Republic of American Samoa Andorra, Principality of Angola, Republic of Anguilla Antarctica (the territory South of 60 deg S) Antigua and Barbuda Argentina, Argentine Republic Armenia Aruba Australia, Commonwealth of Austria, Republic of Azerbaijan, Republic of Bahrain, Kingdom of Bangladesh, People's Republic of Barbados Belarus Belgium, Kingdom of Belize Benin, People's Republic of Bermuda Bhutan, Kingdom of Bolivia, Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina Botswana, Republic of Bouvet Island (Bouvetoya) Brazil, Federative Republic of British Indian Ocean Territory (Chagos Archipelago) British Virgin Islands Brunei Darussalam Bulgaria, People's Republic of Burkina Faso Burundi, Republic of Cambodia, Kingdom of Cameroon, United Republic of Cape Verde, Republic of Cayman Islands Central African Republic Chad, Republic of Chile, Republic of China, People's Republic of Christmas Island Cocos (Keeling) Islands Colombia, Republic of Comoros, Union of the Congo, Democratic Republic of Congo, People's Republic of Cook Islands Costa Rica, Republic of Cote D'Ivoire, Ivory Coast, Republic of the Cyprus, Republic of Czech Republic Denmark, Kingdom of Djibouti, Republic of Dominica, Commonwealth of Ecuador, Republic of Egypt, Arab Republic of El Salvador, Republic of Equatorial Guinea, Republic of Eritrea Estonia Ethiopia Faeroe Islands Falkland Islands (Malvinas) Fiji, Republic of the Fiji Islands Finland, Republic of France, French Republic French Guiana French Polynesia French Southern Territories Gabon, Gabonese Republic Gambia, Republic of the Georgia Germany Ghana, Republic of Gibraltar Greece, Hellenic Republic Greenland Grenada Guadaloupe Guam Guatemala, Republic of Guinea, Revolutionary
People's Rep'c of Guinea-Bissau, Republic of Guyana, Republic of Heard and McDonald Islands Holy See (Vatican City State) Honduras, Republic of Hong Kong, Special Administrative Region of China Hrvatska (Croatia) Hungary, Hungarian People's Republic Iceland, Republic of India, Republic of Indonesia, Republic of Iran, Islamic Republic of Iraq, Republic of Ireland Israel, State of Italy, Italian Republic Japan Jordan, Hashemite Kingdom of Kazakhstan, Republic of Kenya, Republic of Kiribati, Republic of Korea, Democratic People's Republic of Korea, Republic of Kuwait, State of Kyrgyz Republic Lao People's Democratic Republic Latvia Lebanon, Lebanese Republic Lesotho, Kingdom of Liberia, Republic of Libyan Arab Jamahiriya Liechtenstein, Principality of Lithuania Luxembourg, Grand Duchy of Macao, Special Administrative Region of China Macedonia, the former Yugoslav Republic of Madagascar, Republic of Malawi, Republic of Malaysia Maldives, Republic of Mali, Republic of Malta, Republic of Marshall Islands Martinique Mauritania, Islamic Republic of Mauritius Mayotte Micronesia, Federated States of Moldova, Republic of Monaco, Principality of Mongolia, Mongolian People's Republic Montserrat Morocco, Kingdom of Mozambique, People's Republic of Myanmar Namibia Nauru, Republic of Nepal, Kingdom of Netherlands Antilles Netherlands, Kingdom of the New Caledonia New Zealand Nicaragua, Republic of Niger, Republic of the Nigeria, Federal Republic of Niue, Republic of Norfolk Island Northern Mariana Islands Norway, Kingdom of Oman, Sultanate of Pakistan, Islamic Republic of Palau Palestinian Territory, Occupied Panama, Republic of Papua New Guinea Paraguay, Republic of Peru, Republic of Philippines, Republic of the Pitcairn Island Poland, Polish People's Republic Portugal, Portuguese Republic Puerto Rico Qatar, State of Reunion Romania, Socialist Republic of Russian Federation Rwanda, Rwandese Republic Samoa, Independent State of San Marino, Republic of Sao Tome and Principe, Democratic Republic of Saudi Arabia, Kingdom of Senegal, Republic of Serbia and Montenegro Seychelles, Republic of Sierra Leone, Republic of Singapore, Republic of Slovakia (Slovak Republic) Slovenia Solomon Islands Somalia, Somali Republic South Africa, Republic of South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands Spain, Spanish State Sri Lanka, Democratic Socialist Republic of St. Helena St. Kitts and Nevis St. Lucia St. Pierre and Miquelon St. Vincent and the Grenadines Sudan, Democratic Republic of the Suriname, Republic of Svalbard & Jan Mayen Islands Swaziland, Kingdom of Sweden, Kingdom of Switzerland, Swiss Confederation Syrian Arab Republic Taiwan, Province of China Tajikistan Tanzania, United Republic of Thailand, Kingdom of Timor-Leste, Democratic Republic of Togo, Togolese Republic Tokelau (Tokelau Islands) Tonga, Kingdom of Trinidad and Tobago, Republic of Tunisia, Republic of Turkey, Republic of Turkmenistan Turks and Caicos Islands Tuvalu Uganda, Republic of Ukraine United Arab Emirates United Kingdom of Great Britain & N. Ireland Uruguay, Eastern Republic of Uzbekistan Vanuatu Venezuela, Bolivarian Republic of Viet Nam, Socialist Republic of Wallis and Futuna Islands Western Sahara Yemen Zambia, Republic of Zimbabwe
Can someone please explain just why the traitor Republicans could raise the debt ceiling three times for the Trump character but not once for Biden?
The PATRIOTIC HOUSE REPUBLICANS voted to raise the debt ceiling about a month ago. Lalacona, are you forgetful or or just misinformed? Read
"House Republicans pass US debt bill, push Biden on spending - House Republicans have narrowly passed a sweeping debt ceiling package as they try to push President Biden into negotiations on federal spending " Apr 27, 2023
McCarthy is beholden to the handful of super-MAGAs that got him elected Speaker. People linked Marjorie Taylor-Greene that just want to burn it all down and have little taste for actually governing. Biden, playing to his constituency, wants to shine a light on the radical Republicans and appear strong by not yielding an inch and insisting on a “clean bill.” Trump, of course, complicates this by saying a national debt default is not so bad.
It’s time for McCarthy, Biden, assisted by McConnell and Jeffries, to get off the butts, check politics at the door and fix the mess they have created.
And Joe "Slow" is beholding to the "WOKE-LEFTISTS..."Go Green Or Else Radicals" ...and Xi JINPING and Red China! McCarthy needs to stand his ground! It is time somebody stood up to this Incompetent, KKK LOVING, OLD RACIST in the Oval Office bent on destroying America! [beam]
For someone that always complains of WOKEness, it is interesting that you're always the first to bring racism into the conversation.
That's because I'm not one of the usual blind sheep traveling with my head down following the WOKE-LEFT's divisive plans at all cost! I don't need Yall's hand-outs, therefore I call it like I see it....EVERYWHERE I GO! [beam].
The WOKE-LEFT don't like African-Americans like me, because I know their pmay-book! Anymore questions? [beam]
So, I will ask you a straight-up question. Is the US defaulting on its debt a very bad thing that should be avoided at all costs?
You tell us Gary
I was asking Charles, but if you ask me - Yes, it's a very bad thing that should be avoided at all costs.
Gary S. > Fixing the mess requires the debt limit not being raised again. Not this year or ever. The government has enough monthly income to pay all constitutional required bills without borrowing a penny. The only thing shut down would be the 30% of government we should not have. No default needed. The debt limit should not be raised. Keep it where it is and run government on income without borrowing any thing.
Gary S. . Spending is not governing. Governing is spending only what is required not buying votes with government freebies. The US is well on the way toward "BANKRUPTACY" which will be far greater problem than not raising a bloated debt limit.
The debt ceiling is unconstitutional according to the 14th Amendment. It is a political albatross with potentially catastrophic economic consequences that should be jettisoned. The budgeting process is where spending should be proactively discussed and agreed upon. There should be no decision not to pay the bills on expenditures that have already been made.
I think the legal consensus is that the 14th Amendment approach wouldn’t pass a Court challenge, regardless of the Court composition. The context of the 14A was picking up debt of the slave states and reparations for freed slaves during Reconstruction. I don’t remember the details offhand but I heard a great interview with a constitutional law professor (who was sympathetic to Biden) lay all of this out.
Gary, I know that there are differing legal opinions about that since it has never been challenged. However, I ascribe to the opinion of Laurence Tribe, Professor of American Constitutional Law at Harvard Law School. He recently stated that he believes that the President has the duty to pay the nation's debts under the 14th Amendment so that the full faith and credit of the United States shall not be questioned. Therefore, he said that he believes that it is one of the President's Constitutional duties to protect the United States' full faith and credit. That makes sense to me.
Diane > Tribe had a different idea several years ago. He wanted to protect Social Security by converting all "tax deferred wealth" like 401 K and IRA accounts to SS and using the money for extra SS payments for citizens who had owned the accounts. Over half [ 52.29 %] of the National debt is owned by US Citizens, enough to pay off the national debt. It would not be a debt default just a conversion of citizen's wealth to future SS payments.
An interesting article in yesterday’s WSJ asserts that the 14A mandates the government to pay interest first and other functions of government second, that is, it is illegal for the government to default on debt. It must shut down sufficient government operations necessary to free up cash flow for interest payments.
(Thanks Chris D. For sharing the article with me.)
Gary S.> Our government doesn't run on what some idiot at WSJ says. The Constitution Rules us and the WSJ. The 14 amendment was passed to address problems after the Civil war. It has nothing to say about The debt limit. Some spend and spend Democrats are hoping some dummys can be convinced the 14 is the way for unlimited spending. The SCOTUS would reject that Idea in short order.
Turski, even Janet Yellen says the 14th Amendment does not apply.
Read: "Yellen Calls Invoking 14th Amendment to Raise Debt Limit ‘Legally Questionable’ " New York Times May 11, 2023
Carlos, as we noted, there are differing opinions about this issue. I happen to ascribe to Professor Tribe's opinion.
I happen to agree with the current majority of the Supreme Court which relies on original intent.
Diane > Inteligent people stopped beleving you or Tribe long ago.
A President must be careful about evoking the 14th. it has never been used and I believe it will not be used this time.
If used, it would be challenged in the Supreme Court and take some time to decide if it can be used. While being decided if it can be used, the USA would either be in default, or a temp budget would have to happen.
If it is decided the President can use it, nothing would prevent a President from evoking the 14th for whatever they wanted in terms of a budget, regardless of what anyone else wanted.
Would the President 14th amendment budget be used from then on, verse the House and Senates budget?
According to Professor Tribe, as a Presidential duty it would not end up being litigated. I'm not sure how it applies to a budget, since the wording applies to debts already incurred that must be paid, not the budget, which is a separate process.
The 14th Amendment applies to debts incurred during the Civil War.
Although Section 4 was undoubtedly inspired by the desire to put beyond question the obligations of the government issued during the Civil War, its language indicates a broader connotation. . .. '[T]he validity of the public debt'. . . [embraces] whatever concerns the integrity of the public obligations and applies to government bonds issued after as well as before adoption of the Amendment.
"its language indicates a broader connotation" The Supreme Court would not agree. Look up ORIGINAL INTENT.
As the above post ( May 23, 2023, 1:49pm) was from Perry v. United States, 294 U.S. 330 (1935), the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled on it.
Look on page 294 US 354 of Perry v. United States.
Refer to the CURRENT Supreme Court majority, Jim. It rejected the BROAD interpretation of Roe v Wade and you expect them to accept their BROAD interpretation here? [rolleyes]
As Perry v. United States is still what we go by, " '[T]he validity of the public debt'. . . [embraces] whatever concerns the integrity of the public obligations and applies to government bonds issued after as well as before adoption of the Amendment" is the rule, unless it is changed.
The Supreme Court will not change this because it spells out what to do. They would refuse to rule on this, as it has already been ruled on.
Placing the USA in a position of defaulting on dept is not what the Supreme Court would want to be known for.
Just as other have said, the 14th would be used to pay some of bill's in a order. Just let Social Security not send out money and see what a mob of gray-haired protesters do, when they are fighting to survive.
Any politician that would vote against paying Social Security, would not stand a chance of reelection.
"Placing the USA in a position of defaulting on dept is not what the Supreme Court would want to be known for."
Going against the United States Constitution is not what the current Supreme Court would want to be known for.
Keeping what the Supreme Court ruled in 1935 in place, is not going against the United States Constitution.
In 2023, an average of almost 67 million Americans per month will receive a Social Security benefit.
Let the monthly payments stop and watch as the gray-haired protesters converge on the one's responsible.
The House has already passed a debt limit increase and budget reversion. The only way we can have a debt default would be if Biden Vetoes them. Actually a default can't happen even if he does. US monthly tax income is 70 % of budget. That 70% will pay all debt service and all required of budget.
Passage by the House only matters if it is subsequently also passed by the Senate. Which none of this has been.
H.R.2811 - Limit, Save, Grow Act of 2023
It passed the House on April 26, 2023
It was received by the Senate May 1, 2023 and read
May 2, 2023, read for 2nd time in Senate.
May 4, 2023 sent to Senate Budget Committee where it sits.
Bernie needs to do more.
Our man McCarthy will raise the debt ceiling when the WOKE-LEFT stop operating on spending frenzies like schools of piranhas in water feeding on a big dead prey! "COOL" needs to.stop giving our hard earned taxes to his buddy XI JINPING by spending it on the Green Deal, and that would help! [beam][beam]
Also, when the WOKE ,stop using our tax money to buy votes by paying for others' college loans, war materials, & Reparations....then we will raise the.ceiling,... until then ....NO! LOLOLO [beam]
Evidently you haven’t noticed that when the traitor Republicans are in power the debt ceiling isn’t a problem. But it’s the opposite when they are not in power.
Evidently Lalacona hasn't noticed that when the PATRIOTIC Republicans were in power the debt ceiling was raised to cover CONSTITUTIONAL provided for expenditures such as Defense. They want to raise the current debt ceiling but cut back on the huge amount of PORK in the current budget before it becomes LEGACY.
The 2023 Congressional Pig Book Summary contains items that were:
Requested by only one chamber of Congress;
Not specifically authorized;
Not competitively awarded;
Not requested by the President;
Greatly exceeds the President’s budget request or the previous year’s funding;
Not the subject of congressional hearings; or,
Serves only a local or special interest.
31 trillion ......
Obama = 8 trillion
Biden .. so far 3 trillion
Thats 11 trillion
Of 31 trillion .. .. 35%
During Donald Trump’s presidency, the U.S. national debt increased by $8.18 trillion, a percentage increase of 40.43%. Donald Trump was in office for only 4 years compared to 8 years for Barack Obama.
Once again, Jim does not get it. D-E-F-E-N-S-E. D-E-F-E-N-S-E. D-E-F-E-N-S-E! Because of the Obama administration's actions there was a need to increase the DEFENSE budget. That expenditure is from the United States CONSTITUTION. On the other hand, Biden era expenditures contained a LOT OF NON-CONSTITUTIONAL PORK in addition to the Constitutional provisions. House Republicans are willing to raise the debt ceiling as long as some of the PORK is cut.
CUT THE PORK!
CUT THE PORK!
CUT THE PORK!
CUT THE PORK!
Which of the following years did Trump spend all that money on defense. Spending on the military has increased under Biden, but that is just a natural thing that happens with each passing year. All President have pork in their budgets.
U.S. Military Spending/Defense Budget
Year % of GDP
Silly Ted. You know NOT ALL MONEY is spent on Defense. He would like to spend it all on CONSTITUTIONAL items but.... remember PORKULOUS?
Welcome to the discussion.
Internet forum rules ...
Real names required. No pseudonyms or partial names allowed. Stand behind what you post.
Keep it clean. Don't use obscene, vulgar, lewd, racist or sexually-oriented language.
Don't threaten. Threats of harming another person will not be tolerated.
Be truthful. Don’t knowingly lie about anyone or anything.
Be nice. No racism, sexism or any sort of -ism that is degrading to another person.
Be brief. Keep posts to 150 words or less.
Edit yourself. No more than two posts per thread and stay on topic. Do not link to sites outside galvnews.com.
Be aware. All posts are property of The Daily News and may be republished in print.
Be proactive. Use the "Report" link on each comment to let us know of rule violations.