The Santa Fe Independent School District responded quickly and correctly when it discovered a student club had posted photos of high school teachers holding signs stating: “Socialism Sucks” and “Resist Socialism.”

The district earlier this month stripped the student group Turning Point USA of its status as a “curriculum-related student club” after The Daily News asked about photos posted on Instagram.

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Carlos Ponce

"Less than 20 years ago, for example, a Jewish middle-school student alleged his classmates had threatened to hang him after two years of anti-Semitic harassment." Now that was an incident blown out of proportion. The alleged statement was made on a school bus, non air-conditioned, traveling along rural roads. Hard to hear anything unless you're next to them or yelling (not permitted by the bus driver). The boys were actually poking fun at one of their own who was of German descent. A statement was meant to degrade the German NAZIs who were said to "hang Jews". The Jewish lad on the bus only heard part of the conversation. They weren't referencing him nor knew of his Jewish heritage. The boys in question only knew him as a bully who made fun of a younger Hispanic boy on the bus and he called him a "Dirty Mexican".

Paula Flinn

“...after 2 years of anti-Semitic harassment....” is not one incident on a school bus. Santa Fe has a reputation of intolerance. It’s not unusual to hear of bullying and harassment there. “...poking fun at one of their own..” means bullying a white “Christian” student. Just the phrase, “...one of their own...” what does that tell you?

When I was teaching full time at Ball High, I had a student transfer from Santa Fe High that had been bullied because of being Jewish. The parents told me that their student was called “Christ killer” by some other students. This happened everyday at SF High School. This occurred over 10 years ago. I sincerely hope it is better there now.

Keith Gray

Paula many schools in Galveston County have reputations about different things.... including yours. But the most sensible people in the county realize those reps are derived from hearsay, one-offs, and plain exaggeration. So, we suppress our comments, and if not do not place our attitude towards third party comments. I'm disappointed because being a teacher yourself, I thought you were one of the sensible ones.

Paula Flinn

My comments are based on my personal experience plus reading the newspaper over the years. Until problems like bullying and intolerance are “brought into the light,” often they are not addressed. Hiding a problem or containing it, does not make it go away. It often makes the problem worse or leads to more serious problems. I commend Laura Elder for writing this article and bringing attention to this problem.

Keith Gray

Paula I'd like to know your personal experience in Santa Fe, and as far as the newspaper, their job is to sell... sell... sell. Sensationalism in a form of gotcha is the MO today... I though you could see all of that. I hope you don't recognize it because it doesn't fit an agenda.

Paula Flinn

Mr. Gray and Mr. Ponce are entitled to their opinions. Notice that Mr. Gray did not challenge Mr. Ponce for releasing details about the hearsay school bus incident, where there were “alleged” bullying incidents going on for two years, but he wants me to be quiet about about a personal experience of mine in which parents thought their child was so threatened that they removed their child from that district.

Keith Gray

Paula you spout hearsay and blanket statements about our school and now you play the victim? That is pitiful and you should be ashamed.

Carlos Ponce

"where there were 'alleged' bullying incidents going on for two years" - Where the bully claims to be the bullied...........[rolleyes]

Paula Flinn

Carlos, a student who is bullied for long time will very often become a bully themselves.

I notice who you pick on, call names, and make degrading innuendos about. That’s why I hesitate to be on this forum. I have a right to my opinion just as you do, but you want to make it personal, like “I thought you knew better,”.or “I know you are smarter than that.” Now you’re accusing me of playing the victim. Your only defense is a personal attack offense, which is childish and unnecessary.

So long. Your conclusions are not true. My opinion.

Gary Miller

Increased funding has driven American Public Schools quality down from #1 in the world to #37 for 2019. Will one more increase of funding produce a "last in the world" rating?

Carlos Ponce

I notice that Paula left out the word "alleged" from the quote. A young man who goes about calling younger Hispanics "Dirty Mexican" is the bully here. Talking with students and teachers reveals this bullying was not restricted to the school bus. Interesting to see what became of the young men involved. I know! A web search reveals much. As to the other young men, they turned out well after being falsely accused.

Carlos Ponce

"Santa Fe has a reputation of intolerance." Paula posts. But that "reputation" is undeserved.

Paula Flinn

You are entitled to your opinion, as I am mine.

Carlos Ponce

Your opinion comes hearsay. Mine comes from experience. POINTS IN MY FAVOR! [beam]

David Hardee

Once upon a time - Local control of schools produced a status of education in the USA that was envy of all. And schools were a pleasant peaceful place for children. In 1964 the Federal government “Great Society” destroyed tranquility and usurped control over all public schools. The positive intent of desegregation (terminating separate but equal) created social unrest. Over the next 20 years Civil unrest eventually settled down. Then another Federal government insertion - In December 1996, the federal court ruled that Santa Fe ISD's policies were unconstitutional. The U.S. District Judge, Sam Kent, stated that prayer could remain part of the school districts graduation ceremonies and pre-game acts, but only if the students composed and presented the prayer and only if it was non-sectarian and non-persuasive. Again the civil unrest was stimulated in schools.

These federal government irritations can be suspect in the rise of the belligerent acts by frustrated students. Social engineering by using the authority and power of the Federal government is the intention of the Progressive liberal Democratic Party. The developing minds of children are their specific targets. The increasing frequency of horrific acts in schools has a cause. We should at least ponder for the cause.

Paul Sivon

Interesting detailed interpretation of the nuances, I assume you were on the bus.

Carlos Ponce

" I assume you were on the bus." No, but I did speak with bus riders who were on the bus.The "problem" should have been settled parent to parent, neighbor to neighbor in conversation. Instead what we got was, "My dad's a major in the Sheriff's Department. I can have you arrested!" Kid talk? Next day sheriff's deputies showed up at SFHS. The African-American Assistant Principal (Mr. Bill Young) defended them saying "These are good boys." But it was off to Attwater Street.

Paula Flinn

Hearsay! You were not there.

Carlos Ponce

Paula, the young Hispanic boy called a "Dirty Mexican" by the Jewish lad was an altar boy. He went on to become a band drum major and class valedictorian. After graduating from university he teaches high school math becoming Teacher of the Year for his campus, a Class 6A school. His brother who was one of the boys arrested is now a college professor. At the time he asked me to proof read his response to the school district. I said I would but only after I confirmed what he wrote with other bus riders. I did not want to be a part of anything fraudulent. Their accounts were first hand. Mr. Bill Young, assistant principal also confirmed these were good boys. So we have the word of an assistant principal, boys, one who was an altar boy, became a high school band drum major, valedictorian recognized as an outstanding educator and his brother who teaches at a college and other boys who collaborated their tale. As for the Jewish lad, do a web search of his fate. Not very pretty.

Bailey Jones

We fail our students when we fail to teach them critical thinking skills. Unfortunately, critical thinking is often seen as an attack (usually of the "socialist" or "communist" variety) on "traditional values", since critical thinking inevitably results in children questioning the beliefs and prejudices of their parents. What the author calls "indoctrination" might be called "right thinking" by many parents in an overwhelmingly white ( But it's encouraging that the school system took at least the minimal step of reclassifying the Turning Point club after the photos "came to our attention" when the GCDN inquired. Teachers should not be endorsing political positions, one way or the other. This is easily proven by imagining the response of the community if the teachers were holding "Trumpism sucks" signs in support of the Black Lives Matter club.

Don Schlessinger

" Teachers should not be endorsing political positions, one way or the other." Would you say the same for colleges and universities?

Bailey Jones

No, I don't think so. College students are adults, and attend college voluntarily. School kids are compelled by the government to attend compulsory socialization. It should be politically neutral. I don't think it's too much to ask of pubic education that you and I should both be satisfied with what comes out of the mouths of our teachers.

But, as a child of the free speech 60s, I also don't agree with the current mood on college campuses to stifle speech by forbidding certain speakers. I still remember my own college experiences hearing opinions that were quite contrary to what I believed. It was very liberating to know that there was more than one way to interpret and understand the world, and it sparked a life long interest in history and learning. I will always err on the side of more diversity of opinion, not less.

I also don't have an issue with religious schools endorsing political positions - since, again, that's a voluntary choice by the parents to inculcate their kiddos with a very specific point of view. Thanks for the question. I'd not really put much thought into before.

Carlos Ponce

Bailey, when a college student's grades suffer because of differing philosophies with the prof there is room for concern. Liberals are very fascist when it comes to ideology on campus. Most Conservative students wind up swallowing their pride and views in the classroom. I've spoken with several, the latest attending Texas State University in San Marcos. Trump is an evil despot because the prof says so. And political ideology even creeps into non social studies classes such as creative writing. Assignment: Write a five page essay on how Trump has ruined the country. Economics: Write a five page essay on how Trump has ruined the economy. History: Write a five page essay on how history books will document the crimes Trump has committed. Art: Describe the effects of Trump cutting on funding for National Endowment for the Arts. Sociology: Describe how Trump has ruined race relations in this country. Etc.

I wouldn't to it. Bailey would be right at home.

Jose' Boix

To me what is also very telling is the statements; quote: :Hanssard said Wednesday the teachers didn’t know their photos had been posted on the Instagram account, and the group had not reapplied to be a recognized student group."

It is hard to understand how educators who should be aware and knowledgeable of today's tools such as iPhones, Facebook, instagram, etc. "did not know" that almost anything can be recorded, photograph and posted in an instance viewed and listened by hundreds if not thousands of folks. That is incredible to me.

Raymond Lewis

Thoughtful and substantive piece Laura.

Carlos Ponce

Liberals have taken over the universities. Free speech is frowned upon by many indoctrinated students. Liberal professors don't allow views that contradict their "progressive " agenda. Liberal speakers are welcomed while Conservative speakers are shouted down with threats of violence.

Charles Douglas

[thumbup]

Jim Forsythe

Turning Point USA?

Mary Gillespie

Laura, Turning Point USA is by no means racist.

Those are accusations flung at it by liberal organizations which disagree with its values and have no valid way of fighting back.



BTW, socialism DOES suck.

Paula Flinn

If it’s associated with white supremacy, or “white supremacy-lite,” it should not be on public school campuses pushing its agenda.

Carlos Ponce

Paula, I suggest you look up Candace Owens who often speaks for the group. She is a woman of color - African American to be more precise. “white supremacy-lite”????? Are you going racial on us, Paula?

Paula Flinn

Is that an accusation? Or do you think that is funny? I am against white supremacy groups. Everyone is equal in God’s eyes.

Carlos Ponce

Calling TPUSA " white supremacy, or 'white supremacy-lite' " is far from true since many members and spokespeople are non-white.

Paula Flinn

I looked her up. She is a thirty year old activist who blames all the African-Americans’ woes on the Democratic Party. She writes her articles on Breitbart.com. She is not part of the solution, she is part of the problem—very divisive. Anyone who is deemed an “Agent of Hate,” even temporarily, should not be recommended to me.

Carlos Ponce

"blames all the African- American woes on the Democrat Party" Well, did a Republican ever own a slave? No. And KKK members were predominantly members of the Democrat Party. etc., etc., etc. She sounds like a smart person to me.

Paula Flinn

Yes, Carlos, some Republican owned slaves. Even President Lincoln didn’t believe in the equality of the races, politically or socially. The Democrats passed the Civil Rights Act during LBJ’s Presidency. The KKK is no longer mostly composed of Dems. Step into the late 20th and new 21st Centuries! Put one foot ahead of the other and become Progressive!

Carlos Ponce

Check your history, Paula. NO REPUBLICAN ever owned a slave.

Jim Forsythe

So what about the 18th President of the United States? Ulysses S. Grant is known to have owned at least one slave, based on the manumission statement he signed on March 29, 1859, freeing William Jones.

Any comparison about “x number of Democrats had slaves while only y number of Republicans did” is fundamentally meaningless because it insinuates associations that aren’t relevant to contemporary politics. The pool of Democrats who could have owned slaves is much larger than the pool of Republicans who could have simply because the Democratic Party is significantly older. And while the Republican Party was established with an interest in the Abolitionist Movement, it lost any claim to being less racist by instituting the Southern Strategy to elect Nixon.

Some individual Republicans deserve credit for acknowledging the injustice of the Southern Strategy, but as an institution the party has failed to adequately address the subject in a way that would indicate sincere contrition or a will to fix the problem.

Paula Flinn

The Republican Party was formed in 1854, and the Republicans opposed the extension of slavery into the territories that were not yet states. So, technically, there were no Republican Presidents before Lincoln who belonged to the National Union Party. President Trump’s favorite, Andrew Jackson, had many slaves. So did Whig Presidents Harrison and Taylor.

Carlos Ponce

"So what about the 18th President of the United States? Ulysses S. Grant is known to have owned at least one slave..." He wasn't a Republican at the time he owned a slave. In the 1856 presidential election, Grant cast his first presidential vote for Democrat James Buchanan.

Paula Flinn

Yes disagree with its “value” of debasing Democrats and Liberals. No high school should have this partisan group on campus. I don’t believe in liberal, Democratic organizations being on high school campuses, either. Plenty of time for that after students are 18 and in college. Then they are free to join a political group of their choice, if they wish.

Robert Braeking

It would seem that the group-thinkers of the left cannot disagree and debate but would rather denigrate their opposition with words like misogynist, white supremacist, homophobe, racist, alt-right, neo-nazi, and other such nonsense.



Socialism only benefits the under-achievers in society at the expense of the achievers.

Patricia C Newsom

Exactly, Robert Braeking! On point. So tired of hearing this degrading message from the Democrats and liberals.

Paula Flinn

It’s not degrading to want Healthcare for all. Ask anyone from the countries that have it.

Charles Douglas

It is when there is an implied Quid Pro Quo involved! My parents dealt with this for decades. They were told by liberal surrogates to " Vote for the Democrats because they will give you this, this and that over there." This line of approach is nothing new! I watched it from knee high to manhood in my family. I had one uncle in a huge family who had the wherewithal to vote conservative, and that uncle, oddly enough turned out to be the most prosperous individual in our clan.

Carlos Ponce

"It’s not degrading to want Healthcare for all." The Japanese have a saying - "Good family, good school, good job, good life." I am certain Paula has taught students who became doctors, lawyers, health providers, engineers, etc. - in other words have a good job. But seated next to these future doctors, lawyers,etc were those who did not do as well. As I told my students, every minute spent in actual learning is worth thousands in post-school life.

Healthcare for all means removing individual health plans you received as a result of your occupation. If you are under TRS Care it's GONE if Healthcare for all is implemented.

Paula Flinn

Strange that Obamacare didn’t remove us from TRS Care. Fearmongering now, Carlos?

Dan Freeman

Thank you Mr Ponce for citing Japan. Their health care system regulates nearly all aspects of the universal Statutory Health Insurance System (SHIS). The national and local governments are required by law to ensure a system that efficiently provides good-quality medical care. National government sets the SHIS fee schedule and gives subsidies to local governments, insurers, and providers. It also establishes and enforces detailed regulations for insurers and providers. Japan’s 47 prefectures (regions) implement those regulations and develop regional health care delivery with their own budgets and funds allocated by the national government. More than 1,700 municipalities operate components of the SHIS and organize health promotion activities for their residents. https://international.commonwealthfund.org/countries/japan/

Carlos Ponce

Obamacare was not "Medicare for All". The plans suggested by several Democrat candidates especially that of Bernie Sanders would replace privatized health care programs.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/does-medicare-all-end-private-insurance-depends-which-candidate-you-n1005071

Mary Gillespie

Paula, I lived with government healthcare for 5 years in the UK. Doctors there do NOT treat the patient standing in front of them. Instead, they treat the "average" patient.



If your kid is believed to have strep throat, in the US a simple (and cheap) throat swab is processed in minutes, and antibiotics are prescribed to prevent heart damage from rheumatic fever. In the UK, that doesn't happen because it's cheaper to let a few kids get heart damage or die than to treat everyone with strep.



1/3 of all heart attack patients in the UK never see a cardiologist. This is not what I want for my loved ones.

Paula Flinn

My brother-in-Law and his wife lived in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. They had wonderful medical experiences there. They didn’t have to wait for doctors appointments or treatment. A couple from France that I knew went back to France because she was a doctor and she wanted to practice again, and her English was not that good to practice here.

“Medicare for All,” would take away private insurance and the bills. You wouldn’t have to pay for your deductible, emergency room fee, ambulance fees, co-pays, physicians fees, etc. The system in the UK, as you describe it, is cruel. No one would want that.

Carlos Ponce

Medicare for all would mean an increase in your taxes - BIG TIME. The "we'll only tax the rich" promise is a MYTH. You can tax them 100% and there still would not be enough money. The math isn't there to take care of it. The "rich" can figure out ways to avoid taxes altogether. You know that! And then where would we be?

Carlos Ponce

I'm glad to hear your in-laws like Canada's health care. The same cannot be said about those Canadians who have to cross into the US to get adequate health care.

Read "Crossing the Border for Care -Frustrated by long waits, some Canadians are heading to the U.S. for medical treatment."

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2016-08-03/canadians-increasingly-come-to-us-for-health-care

"Why Canadians Are Increasingly Seeking Medical Treatment Abroad"

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/canadian-medical-tourism_n_5949b405e4b0db570d3778ff

US News and World Report and Huffington Post are not Right wing sources so that will make you happy.[beam]

Bailey Jones

Paula - a problem with national health care is that it's susceptible to political whim. In Britain, for instance, conservatives have starved it of funds, so naturally service suffers. Then they sit back and say "see, we told you it wouldn't work". It's like our postal service, it could easily be made profitable but Congress won't raise postal rates.

Jim Forsythe

Would you prefer, Turning Point is Alt-right or Turning Point is a right-wing ideological movement characterized by a rejection of mainstream politics and by the use of online media to disseminate provocative content, often expressing opposition to racial, religious, or gender equality. You may think that Turning Point is the greatest group in the USA , but a lot of people do not.



The story is about a after school group that had teachers at the meetings,that should have known what the groups was about before the meetings. Schools should not take a political stand, and once the administration knew what this groups past actions had been (they should have known before allowing them on campus) they stop this group from meeting on campus. You may want far left and far right groups being part of a school;, but I do not.

"Under the district’s policies, teachers are not supposed to “promote, lead, or participate in meetings of non-curriculum related student groups,” Hanssard said".

If they are going to promote “Santa Fe is No Place for Hate.” then these type of groups have no place in the schools in Santa Fe.

Keith Gray

Jim, I agree that teachers should not engage in politics on their job... but to associate that socialism is not good to hate is a stretch. If it is so great, why did Mick have his heart procedure in the US, like so many others. Socialism kills R&D.

Carlos Ponce

I would prefer TPUSA over ANTIFA - a hate group disguised as being anti-fascist but they exercise FASCISM. They cover their face and tear up things, hurt people. They even beat up an Asian journalist Andy Ngo in Portland by kicking his head repeatedly.

Jim Forsythe

Keith once any type of hate is allowed, all hate must be allowed If Turning Point is allowed, then groups like Young Socialist must also be allowed. As you said, teachers should not engage in politics on their job. If posters like they had are allowed, then posters that say things like, Trump sux must also be allowed. I do not want schools to become battle grounds.

Carlos, neither TPUSA or ANTIFA are groups that should be on a campus. It is not a contest of which one is better.

Carlos Ponce

Yeah!, Jim joins the anti-Antifa crowd!

"Trump sux must also be allowed." We have never stopped you from stating that.

Charles Douglas

Jim, for the record I agree with you. What you are saying is good and right, ..However I think that horse is out the gate already and running! Students and children have already been recruited, conscripted, and equipped to do battle in this political war which has already begun in America. I don't like any of it no more than you. It is shameful that even the grown-ups cannot respect each other and each other's rights here no better than what is on display now.

Keith Gray

Jim, I thought the point was teachers were expressing their personal beliefs... not that what they were holding was hate. Socialism is bad... and I don't hate anybody... when was the last time Canada or the United Kingdom did some earth moving discovery in the war on cancer? Socialism kill research and development. The US leads the world in medical breakthroughs...

Jim Forsythe

The issue is, should these types of groups be allowed on a schools campus. It is not about what you and I believe. When I asked a schoolboard to use a room for Boy Scouts, this is what they told me. If we allowed one group to use a room, all groups must be allowed. The same applies with this. If SFISD allowed TPUSA to use a room then ANTIFA. would have a right to use a room. This .is not what I want to happen with school districts.

If ANTIFA asked and were denied, then they would have a good case against SFISD.

Carlos Ponce

To be an approved organization the group must have a teacher willing to sponsor the group. Doubtful any teacher would volunteer to sponsor ANTIFA. That would be tantamount to asking a teacher to sponsor a campus KKK group. It won't happen.

Jim Forsythe

Carlos, you may be right about no one sponsoring these groups. You also may be wrong, as two teachers may want too. Do you want to chance this, or is it easier to say no one uses SFISD facilities. A judge may say, SFISD has to provide two sponsors for groups like ANTIFA, after it is taken to court. Do you want to chance this? SFISD has said that they will not have TPUSA, because they have decided this is not worth the risk. Why question what they have decided?

Carlos Ponce

SFHS has many groups, clubs, organizations. Looking at the 2018 Yearbook: Alternative Politics Club, Aquatic Science Club, Art Club, AVID, Band, Between the Lines, Choir, Chess, Clinical Rotations, HOSA, Color Guard, Winter Guard, Thespians, FCA, Ultimate Frisbee, Fire Safety, French, Interact, Superintendent's Advisory, Prom, Redefining Beauty, TNT, Science, Student Aides, FFA, Student Council, Yearbook, PALS.

NO JUDGE can force sponsorship on any teacher. PERIOD!

Jim Forsythe

Carlos, remember the court ruling that pre-game prayers could not be "on school property, at school-sponsored events, over the school's public address system, by a speaker representing the student body, under the supervision of school faculty, and pursuant to a school policy that explicitly and implicitly encourages public prayer" it had the risk going in that other religions would be able to deliver the prayer, such as Satanism . You may not think that a judge could give a result that you do not agree with, but they can. Most school districts do not want to chance it. Also the cost can add up. SFISD already has said how they want to handle it, so I guess you know more than they do.

If you want to change this, run for the school board.

Carlos Ponce

"pre-game prayers....." I've attended many football games long after that decision where prayers have been offered in public school stadiums. No one complained. I remember the prayer offered by a young lady in the Huffman- Hargrave vs Santa Fe game at Huffman. She ended it with "In Jesus name we pray".

on school property ✓

at school-sponsored event ✓

over the school's public address system ✓

by a speaker representing the student body ✓

under the supervision of school faculty ✓

and pursuant to a school policy that explicitly and implicitly encourages public prayer ? - I guess if they asked her to say something to the fans and it turned into a prayer it must have been okay. Who knew? [wink]

Jim Forsythe

Santa Fe Independent School Dist. v. Doe, 530 U.S. 290 (2000), was a case heard before the United States Supreme Court.

"on school property, at school-sponsored events, over the school's public address system, by a speaker representing the student body, under the supervision of school faculty, and pursuant to a school policy that explicitly and implicitly encourages public prayer"

Carlos Ponce

"and pursuant to a school policy that explicitly and implicitly encourages public prayer" My nephew offered thanks and praise to the Lord Jesus in his valedictory address in Santa Fe in 2005. Guess he snuck it in.[innocent]

Carlos Ponce

And again, since you don't get it: NO JUDGE can force sponsorship on any teacher. PERIOD!

Jim Forsythe

Can a Criminal Court Judge Order Someone to Enlist or in this case be a sponsor ? A judge can order , but it can be appealed. But as it had been settled by SFISD, it is a none issue.

Can a criminal court judge sentence a person to military service as an alternative to jail? Can a prosecutor mandate someone to join the military as an alternative to criminal prosecution? The answer is yes.

A judge or prosecutor can do whatever they please (within the limits of the law for their jurisdiction).

Carlos Ponce

Demanding a teacher sponsor a detestable organization is outside a judge's jurisdiction.

Jim Forsythe

It makes no difference, as SFISD has already put it to bed.

A judge or prosecutor can do whatever they please (within the limits of the law for their jurisdiction).

Carlos Ponce

Within the limits of the law..... What you suggest is outside that scope.

Robert Braeking

Paula Flinn takes up another of the lefty banners, "medicare for all". Having just achieved the age of majority, I can tell you that medicare is no walk in the park. If you want quality health care on medicare you must purchase supplemental insurance under parts A thru D. After having paid premiums for medicare all my life and finally being able to enroll I find that I have been ripped off. I am maintaining my membership in a medical sharing ministry in case I need real medical care.

Paula Flinn

Check out a Medicare Advantage Plan. Without that plan, I would have had to pay $76,000 when the anesthesiologist gave me a drug I was allergic to. I ended up paying $500 to the Doctor (my deductible), $65 for the ER, and $250 for hospital services for 4 days in CCU, at Clear Lake Regional. They did a stress test and a heart catheter test to make sure I didn’t have any arteries blocked. And, I believe that’s all I paid, less than $1,000 for all of that.

Paul Hyatt

The people who hate Turning Point USA have no clue about who they are and what they stand for. All they know is what the MSM has told them or the SPLC has spewed forth about them.... If the haters would actually sit down and listen to them, they might become educated about them....Candace Owens is a great one to listen to as she is very articulate and what she says has no hate in it. What she is great at though is pointing out the hypocrisy of the left and their hatred towards anything that does not fit their biased and perverted views. Critical thinking is a lost art in this nation as our nation no longer educates we indoctrinate!

Charles Douglas

You are right about Candace Owens Mr. Hyatt. She was on Fox News a awhile back and they pitted Dr. CORNEL West against her. Now if you know Dr. CORNEL, you already know that he thinks he is the smartest, and most eloquent speaker God has created, ever! He speaks using long eloquent words of wisdom and philosophy!! Candace spoke so beautifully on the issues that night and made Dr West look like he was a college drop-out void of knowing the issues! He started stammering in speech, trying to think quick, ....that was not working, so he started interrupting when Candace was putting it to him! He resembled a boxer getting beaten down in the ring and as a last result started GRABBING the other fighter, in an effort to stop the beating! I could not believe It! I've watched Dr. West for years do the exact same thing to many others, and laugh triumphantly! He did not laugh at Candace, ...He started saying, "Wait a minute sister," .."Wait a minute Sister Candace!" Sister Candace was not having any of it....lolo.

Carlos Ponce

" teachers holding signs stating: 'Socialism Sucks' and 'Resist Socialism' "

What really happened? I asked a reputable source: Students were supposed to make a presentation to the club: Capitalism vs. Socialism - Pros and Cons. Along with an oral presentation each created posters showing the side they were presenting at the time. You know, those large flimsy presentation placards - not as thick as they once were back in the day. So while you are making the presentation how do you display your sign? Other students had their own to hold up. So a sponsor held the sign(s) while the club member made his or her presentation. Pictures were taken, some to document club activities, some for personal recollection. Kids take pictures with cell phones all the time. All was fine until someone posted a few on Instagram. Some viewing it jumped to the wrong conclusions. "The teachers made those signs and are indoctrinating, not teaching." The "optics" were bad. The club was dissolved. Students learned a harsh lesson; freedom of speech and freedom of expression don't matter when the "optics" are bad.

And now you know the rest of the story. Good day!

Keith Gray

Carlos, how was it you learned all of this and the The Daily News did not? That upsets me, because over my lifetime folks have tried to paint Santa Fe as such a racist and hateful community. It just isn't so... we are kind people who have had very few bad folks (and a monster) come into our community. This is why I questioned Ms. Paula... I'm not going to let blanketed statements go unchallenged.

Carlos Ponce

I asked the right people, people who are aware of what's going on, people whom I know and will not BS me with politically correct statements. Journalists used to be able to get the answers but today if it doesn't sell papers or increase ratings......

Paula Flinn

I did not mean to make a blanketed statement about your community. I have some friends from Santa Fe who are not prejudiced or biased against different religions, different races, or different ethnic groups. They are kind folks. I told you about my one experience with a Jewish kid from Santa Fe. He was bullied and called a “Christ killer,” by a group of kids. It was over 10 years ago. The other things are facts one reads in the newspapers, like Carlos’ case of the students on the bus, are just that, things one reads about. This student “alleged” that he had been harassed for two years. If true, this would be an on-going thing, that everyday the student would be bullied because he was Jewish and called names because he was not a Christian. I’m not surprised that things didn’t turn out well for him later on. He probably bullied right back, and got into a ton of trouble, maybe even fights and prison. The Supreme Court case about school prayer at a public school function, we read about in the paper. The KKK coming to Santa Fe to incite people, we read about it in the paper. These are facts. They happened.

Carlos Ponce

"I told you about my one experience with a Jewish kid from Santa Fe. He was bullied and called a 'Christ killer,' ” Did you verify his or her story? Remember in a trial one listens to BOTH sides and hears collaborating evidence before reaching a decision. Did I verify the students on the bus story? Yes I did.

Carlos Ponce

"The KKK coming to Santa Fe to incite people, we read about it in the paper. These are facts. They happened." The KKK members weren't from Santa Fe. The City Charter (at the time) had no policy that could keep them out, but they still sought legal means to do so and were unsuccessful. THAT WAS IN THE PAPER!

Carlos Ponce

" This student 'alleged' that he had been harassed for two years." His teachers told a different version. Or don't you believe teachers?

Keith Gray

The only KKK visit I remember was to burn a shrimp boat. I was in college and just stayed in Nacogdoches that weekend. Yeah I took some flack from my FB buddies... but we were buddies. All of our communities have some dirty laundry... but that's just it, we are all human capable of mistakes.

Keith Gray

Laura, can you follow this up? If it is true a follow-up story would be appreciated... thank you

David Hardee

This is a wonderful article that generated a thread of very energetic responses. The article and the responses explore the central theme of role of teachers in the current education system. Central in the discussion is – how the role of the teacher has exploded from simply imparting knowledge of subject matter into a monitor of and mentor of all the socialization causes and effects on their students. And as the monitor/mentor position teachers have imparted judgment and opinions. It should be no surprise that when a teacher is forced to monitor and respond to the socialization problems that the students may have or question that any response to the student would necessarily contain at minimum an answer hoping to satisfy. And it should be no surprise that in trying to satisfy there will be some who find it dissatisfying and maybe even offensive.

The common thread has wandered away from the central theme into healthcare, finance, specific incidents and the entire plethora of socializing.

I’ve intensely reviewed all of the comments in the article hoping to find an indication of where we couldn’t attack the central cause of such chaos in our education system. It has become obvious that education is insufficient to describe what is being done in our schools. It would be more appropriate to describe the activities in our schools as institutions for preparation on universality. Dallas ended and axiom of IPU. The primary objective of these institutions will be to expose the immature developing minds with all the stresses and conflict of socialization. And secondary the imparting of knowledge by the subject matter under the curriculum prescribed by The Federal department of education in consultation with the state department of education. Each IPU will be staffed with teachers, guards, medical personnel, psychiatric professionals, food to service and qualified consultants as incidences require need.

When did education explode? Well in the stream of all the comments and the article by intensely reviewed I never encountered a reference to the event that created domination over education by the Federal government. It was 1963 as part of the great society. It’s unfortunate much of the population has no recollection of that event. It is highly possible that the reason the population has no recollection is because we have no knowledge of the subject matter HISTORY because it was replaced with the SOCIALIZATION STUDIES. It would be illuminating if one would create the chronicle over the last 60 years and trace the standing of USA education among all nations.

Can we revamp their education system? With the tentacles of the Federal government penetrating every aspect of our lives and all the bureaucratic establishments and all the structures impacting our schools it seems impossible. But my dear friends when we had local control over our institutions (schools) and teachers where zealous in the pursuit of imparting knowledge on such matters (simple tools) that prepared impressionable minds to develop skills the children’s world was less stressful and chaotic.

It’s expected that some will refer to the old separate but equal schools. It is true that separate but equal needed reform. It is also true that the intended benevolent actions of the great society resulted in the unforeseen circumstances causing the dilemma we are currently experiencing

Ignoring causes and effects always results in tinkering in attempt to solve. And that’s what we have been doing for the last 60 years, tinkering. If we want a fix it will require drastic and uncomfortable reform.

Keith Gray

David from Carlos' post, I summed it up as some flimsy poster board that the teachers were kind enough to hold for the student's presentation.

David Hardee

Woops two errors

- bad editing -- "Couldn't" s/b could and "Dallas ended" s/b Thus a

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