Finally, the U.S. House of Representatives did Thursday what it should have done weeks ago — open a formal impeachment inquiry. If representatives — the vast majority Democrats — had not formalized the process, they should have tabled the matter.

By 232-196, lawmakers approved the procedures they’ll follow as weeks of closed-door interviews with witnesses evolve into public committee hearings and — almost certainly — votes on whether the House should recommend Trump’s removal.

Dave Mathews: 409-683-5258; dave.mathews@galvnews.com

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Ray Taft

The House’s vote to begin yet another witch-hunt against President Trump is a purely political ploy by a bunch of corrupt sore losers. Only Democrats voted for it. Nothing like this has ever happened before in America, despite what Democrats and the fake news media want America to believe.

The investigation will not be public. The Democrats’ only rules are for a closed-door one-sided investigation, secret questioning of Democrat approved fake witnesses, who will say what Democrats want to hear. The Democrats’ only rules withhold the ability of the opposition to question witnesses or to even select their own witnesses without Democrats’ approval. Democrats can kick out opposition lawyers anytime they want. And Democrats change transcripts, just like Schiff fraudulently made up President Trump’s phone call with Ukraine. Democrats are a bunch of corrupt politicians.

This is totally unAmerican and corrupt. A kangaroo-court devoid of fair play and constitutionally-guaranteed rights that is reminiscent of the Democrats’ commie friends in the Soviet Union.

What Americans really need and want is for the hammer to fall on the treasonous Democrats who have tried to undo the election. It’s about time that the DOJ locks up Democrats.

It was the DNC, Hillary Clinton and the Obama administration that tried to rig the election for Hillary using Russia and Ukraine. It was former President Obama who told the Russians that he’d have more flexibility after he was re-elected. It was Joe Biden who wanted quid-pro-quo with Ukraine for his son, Hunter. It’s Democrats who are projecting their crimes on Trump.

President Trump has done nothing wrong. Trump hasn’t done a single thing of which he has been accused. This is the biggest, most disgusting scandal, and it’s all on the Democrats who have highjacked the Impeachment process, our tax dollars, the House of Representatives, to push their witch-hunt. That’s what’s going on.

Democrats everywhere are unfit for office because of their treasonous witch-hunts. If Democrats are allowed to continue in office, no American will be safe. No patriotic American should ever vote for a Democrat ever again anywhere.

Kelly Naschke

The only thing Ray left out is the democrats inability to legislate anything in regards to healthcare, the opioid crisis. and sensible gun control measures. The insanity from the left to unseat a duly elected president with this deep state coup should be scaring the $517 out of everyone. All the democrats care about is power. They will lie, cheat and steal to get it.

Don Schlessinger

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Emile Pope

Garbage. The rules were set by Republicans when they controlled the House. And Republicans are allowed to be in the depositions and ask questions. Furthermore they are allowed to leak just as the Democrats. Why haven't they? Because all of the evidence points against the president. And the hearings will make it worse...

Don Schlessinger

"Furthermore they are allowed to leak just as the Democrats. Why haven't they?" Because they aren't Democrats.

Carlos Ponce

" The rules were set by Republicans when they controlled the House." That's BULLSCHIFF, Emile!

Emile Pope

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/10/31/andrew_napolitano_congressman_schiff_is_in_my_opinion_following_the_rules_of_the_house_of_representatives.html

Emile Pope

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/fox-news-judge-impeachment-inquiry-consistent-rules-republican-majority-signed-1467485%3famp=1

Mike Zeller

[thumbup] Emile [thumbup]

Emile Pope

https://www.nationalmemo.com/house-republicans-complain-about-rules-they-approved-in-2015/

Carlos Ponce

"National Memo" makes references to a Jan 13, 2015 WSJ article which states, "House rules already give all committees the ability to issue subpoenas and each panel establishes its own procedures for doing so." So the POWER claimed by National Memo was ALREADY IN PLACE. No news here, just politics of obfuscation.

Emile Pope

https://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/01/13/several-house-committee-chairmen-to-get-unilateral-subpoena-power/

Emile Pope

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/28/house-republicans-subpoena-trump-943265

Emile Pope

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/28/house-republicans-subpoena-trump-943265

Carlos Ponce

Again another so called rule change alleged to be credited to the Republicans in 2015 but Emile's previous link from WSJ, "House rules already give all committees the ability to issue subpoenas and each panel establishes its own procedures for doing so" says they already had that power.

"The Rules of the House since 1975 have granted committees the power to subpoena witnesses and materials, administer oaths, and meet at any time within the United States—powers that were previously granted through resolutions providing blanket investigatory authorities that were agreed to at the start of a Congress or through authorizing resolutions for each impeachment investigation."

"SINCE 1975" !!!!!!!!!!

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R45769.pdf

1975 - who had control of the HOUSE? Let's see - DEMOCRAT Carl Albert was the SPEAKER of the HOUSE.

The rules did not change in 2015 when Republicans were in charge. They were changed in 1975 when DEMOCRATS controlled both Houses.

What changed in 2019? Previously the minority committee members could subpoena. Schiff denied that right to Republicans. They now can after the Resolution passed BUT only if Chief Inquisitor Schiff permits.

Emile Pope

Garbage. The Republicans changed the rules in 2015. Your claim is false...

Emile Pope

What you said was changed in 2019 was actually changed in 2015. That makes your statement a lie...

Emile Pope

Interesting how I provide links and proof and all you provide is your questionable word...

Carlos Ponce

There were NO RULES in implementing the initial Schiff Inquisition. The changes made in 1975, the House Rules in 2015 have no mention of forbidding the minority party from issuing subpoenas. Your WSJ link confirms this. Schiff' original Inquisition forbade minority power to subpoena. The rules adopted by the House now permit this - but only with Schiff's approval. Look for the now public Inquisition to be nothing but grandstanding.

Carlos Ponce

"What you said was changed in 2019 was actually changed in 2015. That makes your statement a lie..."

Here are the 2015 House Rules. Find the rule that says the minority party may not subpoena. THE PDF has a January 6, 2015 date but was released on January 20, 2015.

http://clerk.house.gov/legislative/house-rules.pdf

Emile Pope

I submitted proof and links to prove my point. My statement remains the same...

Emile Pope

https://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/democrats-criticize-house-gop-subpoena-rules-115068

Carlos Ponce

But your WSJ link does confirm what I posted. The rest is mere opinion.

Carlos Ponce

2015 House rules:

http://clerk.house.gov/legislative/house-rules.pdf

If you cannot find where minority party participation is stymied as Schiff has done then all the links will not hep.

Charles Douglas

This battle has already been won, the DEMOCRATS just don't know it. They keep on making fools out of themselves, by doing the same things over and over again and getting the same results. That is the definition if what? The KING of idiots would have enough sense to move on, but not the DEMOCRATS! I love that they want to waste their political capital trying to impeach the President instead of serving those who sent them to DC. Lolo! Maybe after THAT BAD MAN IS REELECTED, ..They will know that this man is fulfilling his calling! "He who DIGGETH a pit, ...shall fall therein, ...and he who ROLLETH a stone..it shall return onto them AGAIN." ..Proverbs 26:27.

Carlos Ponce

Emile's first link like his argument leads nowhere. And Judge Napolitano in his opinion ruled Trump's actions are un-Constitutional but the ones he uses as examples have been ruled favorably by the Supreme Court of the United States. Why is he dissing Trump? "President Donald Trump said Saturday evening that Fox News Channel senior judicial analyst Andrew Napolitano asked to be appointed to the U.S. Supreme Court and for a pardon for a friend of the former superior court judge in New Jersey." What he posts is payback, not real judicial analysis. Trump tweeted, “Ever since Andrew came to my office to ask that I appoint him to the U.S. Supreme Court, and I said NO, he has been very hostile! Also asked for pardon for his friend. A good ‘pal’ of low ratings Shepard Smith."

So Emile, your post falls FLAT.

Cary Semar

Your refutation of Emile's post relies upon information provided by an unreliable witness.

Charles Douglas

Is BETO still thinking he was born to be President? Senator? Gun Confiscator? What was it he was born to? Oh well, not really important now is it?

Mike Zeller

After reading these comments (and there will be well over 100) not one person on this forum will have been persuaded to change their mind. [sad]

Carlos Ponce

Even after Trump wins re-election.

Emile Pope

Not interested in changing someone's mind. Just exposing their lack of reasoning and knowledge...

Carlos Ponce

Your lack of reasoning and knowledge is quite evident.

Emile Pope

What the writer fails to mention is that many of those "leaks" were written opening statements submitted to the public before the testimony. Trying to insinuate that the proceedings are somehow unfair and biased is mere nonsense...

Carlos Ponce

"many of those 'leaks' "What the writer refers to are items other than that which can be found in released opening remarks.

Keith Gray

So what is our President's crimes? Hurt feelings can't be more that a misdemeanor...

Jim Forsythe

Does the following sound anything like Trump? All they need to do is change the name from Andrew Johnson to Trump, and they would have two articles for impeachment!

"Two of the articles against President Andrew Johnson were based on rude speech that reflected badly on the office: President Johnson had made "harangues" criticizing the Congress and questioning its legislative authority, refusing to follow laws, and diverting funds allocated in an army appropriations act, each of which brought the presidency "into contempt, ridicule, and disgrace".

Carlos Ponce

Not really, but it seems that the Democrats have adopted the same narrative but this time it's FALSE. What you post is a cut and paste from Wikipedia

"criticizing the Congress" Only the do nothing House which passes legislation they know will not pass the Senate nor get his signature and not work on infrastructure, passing USMCA, etc.

"and questioning its legislative authority" - If only they would legislate and stop the witch hunts.

"refusing to follow laws" - All laws have been followed but he receives criticism from enforcing laws on the books especially border security.

"and diverting funds allocated in an army appropriations act" The law (10 SC 284) says he can. The US Supreme Court said he could with Pentagon approval - which he has. GET OVER IT!!!!

"each of which brought the presidency 'into contempt, ridicule, and disgrace'" - Only by the Lying Left.

Jim Forsythe

Pulling troop out and leaving are allies to fend for themselves. Taking money to pay for the wall, when he was told no in the budget process.

The concerns the US Democrats have with the USMCA is; it lacks strong labor protections, it lacks strong environmental protections, it advances the interests of brand-name pharmaceutical companies at the expense of patients and its enforcement mechanism is too weak. The US House Speaker has organized working groups for each area of concern and has encouraged the Democrats in each group to negotiate with the Administration (Office of the US Trade Representative) over how to address the concerns.

We have witness his assertion of the right to flout all congressional subpoenas; his continuing refusal to disclose his tax returns, notwithstanding Congress’s statutory right to secure them; his specific actions to bar congressional testimony by government officials; and his personal attacks on judges who dare subject the acts of the administration judicial review. More blatant yet are his recent assertion of a right to accept dirt on political opponents from foreign governments, and his declaration of a national emergency, when he himself said “he did not need to do this,” he just preferred “to do it much faster.”

The House has passes legislation that the Senate refuse to even bring up, so they could work on a compromise between the House and the Senate..

Carlos Ponce

"Pulling troop out and leaving are allies to fend for themselves."

NEWSFLASH, Jim. That was part of the plan to take out Bagdadi. The result? Bagdadi's dead. The Kurds now are now in control of oil rich areas. The money will now be flowing in. Whatever news source you are using isn't working. All you're getting is propaganda.

Emile Pope

Republicans changed the rules to benefit Republicans but now they are coming back to haunt them. Now they are crying foul about the same rules they enacted...

Carlos Ponce

Here are the 2015 House rules with changes adopted in January of that year. Unless you can point out where the rules prohibit minority party participation which Schiff has done then that means the rules were changed by Pelosi and Schiff in 2019.

http://clerk.house.gov/legislative/house-rules.pdf

If you cannot find it then.......[rolleyes]

Jim Forsythe

Pelosi doesn't need the House vote authorizing an inquiry because her caucus already has extra legal authority compared to past inquiries.

During the Clinton and Nixon impeachment inquiries, the House passed their inquiry resolutions so they could gain tools like more subpoena power and depositions, and included in those resolutions were nods to bipartisanship that gave the minority party subpoena power, too.

The House rules have changed since the last impeachment of a president more than two decades ago. In this Congress, the House majority already has unilateral subpoena power, a rule change that was made when Republicans last controlled the House, so Democrats don't need to pass any resolution to grant those powers.

Until recent years, unilateral subpoena power was relatively rare for House committee chairs. But between the 113th and 114th Congresses, the number of chairs given this power by their committees doubled—and the judiciary committee was among them. The judiciary committee chair retains this authority in the current Congress; its rules stipulate that “a subpoena may be authorized and issued by the Chairman … following consultation with the Ranking Minority Member.”

In 2017, the rule permitting staff depositions was extended to cover almost all standing committees, and the member attendance requirement was modified such that it did not apply if the committee authorized the staff deposition to take place when the House was not in session. ... So the judiciary committee already has the power to conduct staff depositions and does not need a special grant of authority to do so.

When and who changed the rules? Since they have changed, they are what the House goes by. It does not make it a Soviet Style Inquisition, but a change in the rules.

Jim Forsythe

Style Inquisition, but a change in the rules.

The GOP minority does not have subpoena power, much to their chagrin, although Republicans changed the playbook in 2015 when they rewrote rules delegating subpoena power to individual chairmen without full approval from the House of Representatives

Democrats tried to warn that this change was bad , but where to not able to change Republicans minds, which now they are complaining about.

Democratic lawmakers are harshly criticizing House Republicans for altering committee rules governing how chairmen can subpoena witnesses and documents.

Republicans were short sighted in passing the changes, that they now have to go by. These changes ,make minority lawmakers

minority lawmakers a none factor.

In a letter, the Democrats slams the GOP conference for changing rules on a number of House committees to make it easier for Republicans to subpoena witnesses without consultation or approval from minority lawmakers - an effort that came as Republicans are preparing aggressive oversight efforts for President Barack Obama’s final two years in office.

Sixteen Democrats, all ranking members of House committees, accused Republicans of attempting to create Darrell Issa-like committee structures, referring to the former Oversight and Government Reform chairman who was criticized by Democrats for his dogged probes into the White House.

“For decades, responsible committee chairmen—both Democratic and Republican—recognized that the coercive power of subpoenas should be used only as a last resort, and they obtained the concurrence of the ranking member or called a committee vote before issuing subpoenas,” the lawmakers wrote on Tuesday.

Carlos Ponce

"they rewrote rules delegating subpoena power to individual chairmen without full approval from the House of Representatives" BUT the minority party still had opportunity to subpoena their own witnesses under those rules unlike what Schiff enforced earlier. Following "the vote" Republicans can subpoena but only if Chief Inquisitor Schiff allows it. They can appeal to the entire committee to override Schiff's denial but loyal donkeys will follow in lockstep behind Chairman Schiff.

Emile Pope

Excellent Mr. Forsythe. Apparently some people choose to be willfully ignorant.

Mike Zeller

Republicans - It's just not fair, when we have to play by the rules.

Carlos Ponce

"Apparently some people choose to be willfully ignorant.Apparently some people choose to be willfully ignorant." Yes, Emile - your mind, your choice.[rolleyes]

Carlos Ponce

Mike, those aren't the rules. They change from day to day.

Emile Pope

What you accuse Schiff of doing is absolutely false.

Carlos Ponce

And that's BULLSCHIFF, Emile.

Mike Meador

DEMONcrat.[thumbup]

Gary Scoggin

Did you make that up yourself, Mike?

Paul Hyatt

The ignorance of the few on this board is beyond comprehension. Of course I do understand how the ignorance is built when all they listen to is the MSM, NPR and others of their ilk.... Of course it might not be ignorance as that is the lack of knowledge, while stupidity is the refusal to learn....

Keith Gray

So what crime did President Trump commit?

Emile Pope

Bribery, extortion, tax fraud, loan fraud, campaign finance law violation...but it's still early...

Carlos Ponce

No evidence because it did not happen.

Jim Forsythe

That is what the House is looking at. You may no agree with the House, just as they may not agree with you.

When the process is televised, everyone can decide themselves.

Carlos Ponce

I'm surprised Schiff doesn't show up wearing fishing gear since this is nothing but a fishing expedition. What has been released indicates people disagreeing with the President's policy without any indication of maleficence on his part. No impeachable offenses at all.

Keith Gray

Garbage Pope... made up in children like minds...

Don Schlessinger

24+ hours of pounding on computer keyboards and no one has changed anyone's mind. Isn't that what they call polarization? Give it up folks, and get a life.

Carlos Ponce

The rewards will come when Trump is exonerated and re-elected in November 2020. Then I'll post, "See I told you so!"

Carlos Ponce Nov 14, 2016 7:51am: Trump was elected President of the United States. It's time to face reality.

Charles Douglas

[thumbup]yes sir! [thumbup]

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