When Gov. Greg Abbott on Monday issued an executive order announcing the second phase of a plan to open more businesses and activities in Texas, his words were met with mixed emotions across Galveston County.

Some Galveston County residents are eager for a return to “normal” and fear the response to COVID-19 has inflicted worse harm on the economy than the virus has on the populous. But others fear what Texas’ reopening economy might mean for their health and that of their loved ones.

Factors driving such differences in opinion are complicated and go far deeper than partisan politics, economists and experts in human behavior say.

“One reason why there’s this confusion and debate about going out or not going out and how it relates to the economy is that normally we have a list of options,” said Steve Cotton, an associate professor of economics at the University of Houston-Clear Lake. “Some of those options are good while some are bad. Right now, we have a list of options and they’re all different flavors of bad.’”

When people stay home and stop shopping and spending money, it’s bad for the economy; but everyone getting sick is bad for the economy, too, Cotton said.

“We get differences in people wanting to go out, or not, primarily because they have wildly different private benefits,” Cotton said. “If you have a preexisting medical condition or are older or have people in your life you care about who are vulnerable, your private costs are higher. If you’re healthy and single and don’t have much contact with others, maybe your private costs are lower.

“But even people with the same private costs can reach a different conclusion through wildly different estimates of the social benefits.”

Hitchcock resident Teri Gibson, 44, worries more about the toll pandemic fear is taking on the economy than the virus itself, she said.

“I personally think the decision to reopen businesses is a good thing,” Gibson said. “We need to stimulate the economy and get these fuel prices to rise.”

Gibson, a secretary, has been working from home since the shutdown began and has visited a few local restaurants to help stimulate the economy, she said. But because she doesn’t like wearing a mask, she’ll wait to return to hair and nail salons, she said.

“I feel very safe on how the restaurants I’ve gone to are handling things,” Gibson said. “I know my stance isn’t a popular one on social distancing, but I robbed myself of so many weeks of happiness when all this mess started and so regret it now.

“I’m not being reckless by any means. I’m going to spend time with my family and enjoy life to the fullest.”

Government-enforced social distancing measures have greatly restricted and closed some businesses, but fear of the virus is the bigger threat, Cotton said.

“Enforcing social distancing isn’t the primary cause of the economic damage — the virus is,” Cotton said. “Even if there weren’t legal requirements to shut down, a lot of people are going to stay in anyway. Countries that have ‘stayed open’ have had drops in economic activity on a scale similar to that of countries that have ‘remained closed.”

‘PEACEFUL PANDEMIC’

Some residents in the county will miss some aspects of the COVID-19 stay-at-home measures.

A survey released this week reports 1 in 3 Texans admit they’ll miss the changes made during the COVID-19 lockdown, with 45 percent reporting being grateful for the opportunity to spend more time with their partner, or family, according to the survey conducted by EverydayCarry.com.

After retiring from the Galveston Independent School District, Galveston resident Gwen Jessel-Lisbony, 68, is all for reopening — but with guidelines, she said.

“I’m the type of person that observes a situation and makes choices on how I will proceed — I don’t live in fear,” Jessel-Lisbony said. “I’ve always practiced good hygiene and know that is what my husband and I need to continue to do.”

Jessel-Lisbony said she and her husband have gotten closer and she predicts life will be back in the full swing by June 1, she said.

“I know our days are numbered on this Earth,” Jessel-Lisbony said. “I’m making good choices with the guidelines given to us. In some ways, I’ve enjoyed this slower pace of life. We’ve taken long golf cart rides all over the island to enjoy nature and have enjoyed fires in our fire pit, too.

“I have enjoyed the sweet fragrance of our roses and plumeria,” she said. “Life has been peaceful because of a pandemic.”

AS LONG AS IT TAKES

Raymond Bryant, 46, of Texas City, believes the virus hasn’t gone anywhere and nothing has stopped the spread of COVID-19 and everyone should remain cautious, he said.

“Ever since the first phase of the plan was released, the number of cases has increased and that’s terrifying to me,” Bryant said. “Every day, I see people out here not practicing social distancing or wearing face masks. This disease is serious and deadly.

“Personally, I’m taking every precaution to protect myself.”

A commodity relocation specialist for Delta Chemical Services in Deer Park, Bryant is extra careful in the workplace and will wait as long as it takes before he goes out for recreational purposes, he said. Now, he goes only to work and the grocery store.

“I’ll have to see the number of cases drop significantly before I’ll feel comfortable again,” Bryant said. “I know the economy is hurting and people need to get back to work, but is it worth your health or, even worse, your life? My main concern is staying healthy and COVID-19 free.

“Once all of this passes, America will bounce back,” he said. “It’s still just too soon for me.”

AVAILABILITY BIAS

Several psychological reasons might explain why some people aren’t ready to venture out yet, according to Crystal Reeck, an assistant professor of marketing and supply chain management at the Fox School of Business at Temple University in Philadelphia.

Reeck, who specializes on how emotions influence choices, believes the first reason might have to do with the availability bias, which is a mental shortcut that relies on immediate examples that come to a person’s mind when evaluating a specific topic, concept, method or decision.

“When people consider venturing out now that restrictions have eased, they might recall recent instances of other people becoming sick or dying,” Reeck said. “These readily available mental images of people suffering may make them more cautious about returning to their normal activities.

Another reason has to do with anxiety, Reeck said.

“When people feel anxious, they’re often less likely to take risks,” Reeck said. “Given the high levels of anxiety among many people regarding the pandemic, they may be hesitant to change their shelter-in-place routine and reengage in behaviors that might carry a risk of infection.”

NO EASY ANSWERS

Like Bryant, La Marque resident and teacher Amber Ferguson, 33, worries the economy is reopening too soon, she said.

But Ferguson is willing to venture back out after the current plan is in place and if case numbers stay low.

“I do understand that the reopening of businesses and the economy is important for the nation, however, I think that it’s still too soon at this time,” Ferguson said. “I feel that there’s no easy answer during this pandemic, but it’s my hope and wish that the decision-makers could place a little more emphasis on human life over business and the economy.”

There are no right answers yet, either, Cotton said.

“What I really hope to get across is that nobody on either side of this debate is just flat wrong given the information we have now,” Cotton said.

“With the benefit of hindsight, we may eventually be able to look back and say that one side or the other had the right of it. But with all the uncertainty, rational, logical and informed people can reach justifiably different conclusions on how they should behave personally and how government should involve themselves in people’s private decisions.”

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PD Hyatt

What is everyone going to do when the flu season hits again? Are we going into forced quarantines when most of us are not sick? I would love for someone to point out where in the Constitution does it give any elected official the right to stop all business and only allow selected businesses to operate and the rest get to go into bankruptcy!

Terri Abraham

With the flu most people feel so lousy they don't want to go anywhere unless they absolutely have to.

Also, you can spot the sneezing, coughing, runny nosed people and avoid them much more easily than the asymptomatic Covid carriers.

Bailey Jones

I think we are opening too soon. But I also believe there's no other option. I think it's becoming clear now that a lot of the shutdown could have been avoided if the Trump administration had really pushed for the creation of high volume, high speed, tests, waaaaay back in mid-January when the WHO declared that human-to-human transmission of COVID was likely. A widely available test coupled with contact tracing, working from home, and social distancing could have allowed much more of the economy to remain open. But that's hindsight, and I'm sure the same "constitutionalists" who whine about having to wear a mask would have made sure that contract tracing didn't happen - it's clear they don't care about social distancing. And even with the most perfect response to the virus, the economy would still have taken a beating.

As I've said before, the only good that can come from this calamity is if we learn some hard lessons from it. I don't believe we will. In order to learn from your mistakes, you must first admit that you made a mistake. I don't believe Trump, or his faithful followers, have the intellectual or moral capacity to do that. Perhaps the comments that follow will prove me wrong.

Carlos Ponce

" I think it's becoming clear now that a lot of the shutdown could have been avoided if the Trump administration had really pushed for the creation of high volume, high speed, tests, waaaaay back in mid-January when the WHO declared that human-to-human transmission of COVID was likely."

Jan. 14 - The World Health Organization issues a statement about the first COVID-19 case outside of China, saying, “There is no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission.”

"WHO acknowledged evidence of human-to-human transmissionon Jan. 22." Trump formed the Corona Task Force that "pushed for the creation of high volume, high speed, tests".

WHO had a test but only made it available to low income countries. WSJ

"The US test was approved by the Food and Drug Administration on February 4" - Business Insider

UTMB - Galveston got involved back in January:

" UTMB scientists featured on popular national podcast"-By UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS MEDICAL BRANCH Jan 28, 2020

https://www.galvnews.com/health/article_4ba21844-78ab-5083-99ae-1a5f69942adc.html

But the first samples of coronavirus did not arrive in Galveston until February.

"Coronavirus sample arrives at Galveston lab as outbreak continues to grow" By JOHN WAYNE FERGUSON The Daily News Feb 13, 2020

https://www.galvnews.com/news/free/article_e5ae605d-a7a8-5207-803d-456b63ac76d1.html

Bailey Jones

Welcome to the Blame Game - the only game in Trump Town.

Bailey Jones

Here's what a "learning lessons" looks like, from South Korea:

Lesson 1 - South Korea learned about the importance of testing from MERS, so that in late January, just one week after the country’s first case was diagnosed, government officials urged medical companies to develop coronavirus test kits and told manufacturers to prepare for mass production. By mid-February - when President Donald Trump was predicting that the virus would “miraculously” disappear - South Korea was churning out thousands of test kits every day.

Lesson 2 - To spare hospitals from being overrun with patients, as they were with MERS, South Korea opened 600 testing centers and added drive-through testing stations which could test patients in 10-minute tests without leaving their cars.

Lesson 3 - After MERS, South Korea rewrote much of its infectious-disease-prevention legislation. To expedite testing, it gave laboratories permission to use unapproved diagnostic kits during a public-health emergency. To expand contact tracing, it gave health authorities warrantless access to CCTV footage and the geolocation data from the new patients’ phones. The paths traveled by new patients were anonymized and posted on a map on a website so every South Korean could see if they had been at the same place at the same time as an infected patient, and could then self quarantine and get tested.

So my question remains - what lessons is the Trump administration learning from COVID-19? He created a committee to investigate imaginary voter fraud - where is the committee to investigate the mistakes made during this very real pandemic, learn lessons, and recommend change? Where is the new legislation to streamline the creation of test kits and require American sourcing for medical items? Where is the PLAN for the next pandemic that will go into action when the first case hits the US? If, as he says, the failures of the Obama administration in two epidemics were so egregious and so obvious, why haven't they been corrected in his three years in office? Now, in the midst of a pandemic, where is the plan, or at least the plan to create the plan, for the next one? All eyes are on you, Mr. President.

Carlos Ponce

Bailey, a loss of civil rights isn't exactly a step forward.

Bailey Jones

And so my question remains unanswered.

Carlos Ponce

"So my question remains - what lessons is the Trump administration learning from COVID-19?"

Don't rely on the Chi Coms for cooperation, don't rely on the World Health Organization for truthful analysis.

Don't rely on the pandemic guidebook formed during the Obama administration to administer tests. Dr. Fauci blames that for why testing did not go well. It was a "one size fits all" approach that did not fit the Hunan Virus pandemic. “The system is not really geared to what we need right now — what you’re asking for. That is a failing.” - Dr. Anthony Fauci

Joe Mancuso

Apparently, the current administration didn't rely on the pandemic guidebook formed during the Obama administration to administer tests.

May 14, 2020

From https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-marine-one-departure-90/

QUOTE

"MS. MCENANY: Hi, there. I just wanted to outline our pandemic preparedness. The Obama-Biden plan that has been referenced was insufficient; it wasn’t going to work. So what our administration did, under the leadership of President Trump, is do an entire 2018 Pandemic Preparedness Report.

Beyond that, we did a whole exercise on pandemic preparedness in August of last year and had an entire after-action report put together. In other words, the Obama-Biden paper packet was superseded by a President Trump-style Pandemic Preparedness Response plan.

THE PRESIDENT: Which was much better, which was much more complete, and which was a lot tougher. We were — we were given very little when we came into this administration. And they’ve done a fantastic job. And I think we’re going to have a vaccine by the end of the year, and I think distribution will take place almost simultaneously because we’ve geared up the military. And you’ll see that tomorrow.

All right. Anything else? Kayleigh?

MS. MCENANY: We’ll have a full update tomorrow for you guys at the briefing, line by line, of how prepared we were for this pandemic, thanks to the leadership of President Trump."

END QUOTE

So, what I'm reading it that even though the Obama administration did leave a playbook, it was replaced by a playbook put together by the Trump administration in 2018 and 2019. So, it seems to me, that any deficiencies in the playbook had nothing to do with the Obama playbook since it wasn't used. Any deficiencies in the testing plans and any other component of the administration's response to the pandemic belong to the current administration alone.

Carlos Ponce

Joe, what you fail to mention is Dr. Fauci's assessment of the Obama Era HSC Pandemic Response Guidebook as unworkable for the current situation. The problem? The FDA going through its usual test kit assessment. To get the tests kits to the states, Trump had to cut through that red tap set up by that Guidebook.

What you quote is correct. Your assessment, however, is skewed.

Carlos Ponce

“We are aware of the document, although it’s quite dated and has been superseded by strategic and operational biodefense policies published since,” the [NSC] official said. “The plan we are executing now is a better fit, more detailed, and applies the relevant lessons learned from the playbook and the most recent Ebola epidemic in the [Democratic Republic of the Congo] to COVID-19."

“The HHS COVID-19 response was informed by more recent plans such as the foundation of the National Biodefense Strategy (2018), Biological Incident Annex (2017),and panCAP (2018) among other key plans provided by the CDC, White House Task Force, FEMA, and other key federal departments and agencies.” Politico

So the experts like Dr. Fauci chose not to use it but elements relating to other Federal agencies still remained which held testing up.

Joe Mancuso

And, again, since the Obama playbook was thrown out, all credit and blame for the pandemic response actions belong to the current administration. The new playbook, "Which was much better, which was much more complete, and which was a lot tougher" should have recognized and corrected this problem with the testing.

“The plan we are executing now is a better fit, more detailed, and applies the relevant lessons learned from the playbook and the most recent Ebola epidemic in the [Democratic Republic of the Congo] to COVID-19." Again, should have recognized and corrected this problem with the testing.

Can't have it both ways.

But, really, this is all just playing the blame game. Bailey's question as to what has been learned still hasn't really been answered.

Carlos Ponce

"since the Obama playbook was thrown out" - Not completely true. According to Dr. Fauci, parts of it still remained in effect throughout the bureaucracy like the FDA where it proved to be a hindrance. Nice try, Joe but you ignore everything that was in place.

Bailey's question has been answered but I doubt if he or you will accept anything less than, "I completely botched this" from the president- which would be a lie. But think what you want. President Trump will be re-elected come November.

Carlos Ponce

Was the Obama - Biden Pandemic Playbook not implemented?

AP Fact Check [Caps used by me to emphasize pertinent points]:

"The public health system has a playbook to follow for pandemic preparation — REGARDLESS of who’s president or whether specific instructions are coming from the White House. Those plans WERE PUT INTO PLACE in anticipation of another flu pandemic, but are designed to work for any respiratory-borne disease."

https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104

"regardless of who’s president or whether specific instructions are coming from the White House" means they implemented the playbook no matter what the Trump administration wanted. "Those plans were put into place.."

Bailey Jones

Joe, your assessment, while correct, is unacceptable. It places responsibility for what the Trump administration does squarely on the Trump administration. The only acceptable response is Carlos' several attempts to shift responsibility away from the administration by blaming others. Trump is not Truman - the buck never stops there.

Carlos Ponce

Bailey, "REGARDLESS of who’s president or whether specific instructions are coming from the White House" means that no matter what the president, the Coronavirus Task Force, Dr. Fauci, et al, wanted, they were going to follow the Obama playbook no matter what. That's not my assessment but that of Dr. Fauci, the APwriters, etc. It's not a matter of shifting blame but figuring out what lesson we can learn from it. Isn't that what Bailey Jones asked for????

Joe Mancuso

You know, Carlos, I don't think that everything the Trump administration does is wrong. Example: I think they did good stopping Chinese travel to the US. I wish they had done more! I'm glad to see that they are going to shut down travel to and from Brazil. I wish they had done it sooner!

Likewise, I don't think that everything they do is right. One example: I think that not providing any centralized leadership was a big mistake. Leaving some major decisions up to the individual states did not work out well. Having states bidding against each other for PPE was a bad situation.

I think it's only right that administrations claim and get credit for the things they get right. I also think that they need to man up and admit when they are wrong. I'm really tired of everything being Obama's fault. Yes, some of our problems are due to the previous administration(s), but not all of them. The Ever Trumpers are just as bad as the Never Trumpers! Sorry, but no one is right all the time and everyone makes mistakes. Age old wisdom: It's what you do after that counts.

The article you quote at apnews.com does not state that the plan that was put into place and followed was the Obama plan. After all, Trump and his press secretary said that plan was replaced by theirs.

And you're right in quoting Bailey by saying "It's not a matter of shifting blame but figuring out what lesson we can learn from it." That's what Bailey's original post stated. I agree that we shouldn't trust the Chinese and I do have questions about the WHO and I do agree that Obama's plan was lacking. But, I also think that the current administration could have done some things better. Do you really think that everything the current administration has done was the right choice? I don't and I do think that there are some lessons to be learned. That's what Bailey was trying to start a conversation about.

Then you say "Bailey's question has been answered but I doubt if he or you will accept anything less than, "I completely botched this" from the president- which would be a lie. But think what you want. President Trump will be re-elected come November." This is one of your standard refrains to attempt to shut down any discussion while implying that you are correct. But likewise, I can say that you won't accept anything less that everyone saying that the administration did everything right. The only thing missing is you accusing me of being in favor of abortion.

In summation, "Bless your heart!"

Carlos Ponce

"One example: I think that not providing any centralized leadership was a big mistake." The president is limited by the Constitution. You seem to have a problem with Federalism and the US Constitution. What you want is a dictator. That's not the United States.

"The article you quote at apnews.com does not state that the plan that was put into place and followed was the Obama plan." REREAD IT, JOE. IT DOES:

"The public health system has a playbook to follow for pandemic preparation — REGARDLESS of who’s president or whether specific instructions are coming from the White House. Those plans WERE PUT INTO PLACE in anticipation of another flu pandemic, but are designed to work for any respiratory-borne disease."

"After all, Trump and his press secretary said that plan was replaced by theirs." True, but not until they (including Fauci) figured out the problem was FDA bureaucrats adhering to the Obama Playbook.

"But, I also think that the current administration could have done some things better." Like South Korea removing civil rights? That's not the United States.

Bless Joe's little Heart. He's trying so hard to be a Leftist but facts just get in his way.

Joe Mancuso

"What you want is a dictator.":

Where do you get that I want a dictator? Nowhere do i state anything close to that. Do I want a centralized leadership in times of national concerns? Yes! You know, maybe I shouldn't have used "centralized". I can see where that could be misunderstood. I will replace "centralized" with "coordinated". I think that a coordinated effort is always more effective. Is that wanting a dictatorship? I don't think so. The fact that you get upset by the fact that I criticized our government makes me think that you must want the dictatorship. Just fake news on your part.

***

"REREAD IT, JOE. IT DOES":

I did read and reread the article. Actually, I did that before my previous post. Nowhere does it say that the plan implemented was the Obama administration's plan. Maybe you need to "REREAD IT, CARLOS. IT DOESN'T." The Trump administration developed their plan in 2018 and 2019 and, one would assume, it was then implemented. But, assuming isn't a good idea. So, I could be wrong, but that can't be determined from the article quoted. Just fake news on your part.

***

"True, but not until they (including Fauci) figured out the problem was FDA bureaucrats adhering to the Obama Playbook.":

If the FDA bureaucrats were adhering to the Obama playbook, that tells me that they had a leadership problem. So maybe it's true, but, again, that can't be determined from the article quoted. Just fake news on your part.

***

"But, I also think that the current administration could have done some things better." Like South Korea removing civil rights? That's not the United States."

Again, Carlos, your words, not mine. Did I mention South Korea? No. Did I mention removing civil rights? No. Did I mention that I thought some actions should have been centralized at a national level? Yes, and again I'll substitute "coordinated". Does that mean that I want a dictatorship? Not the way I wrote or read my comment. Just fake news on your part.

***

"Bless Joe's little Heart. He's trying so hard to be a Leftist but facts just get in his way."

First of all, thank you for the blessing! Can always use that. Why are you trying to label me a Leftist? What in my post supports your claim? I provided examples of my support for our president and I also provided examples of not agreeing with our president. Nothing stated makes me a Leftist as far as I can see. The only thing that could possibly make you think I'm a Leftist is that I don't agree with you on everything. And what facts are getting in my way? Maybe you're trying too hard to be a conservative? You know, it doesn't have to be all or nothing. There is still room in America for moderates.

***

I'm just trying to be an American! Maybe you have a problem with the fact that I'm not trying to be what your definition of an American is.

Carlos Ponce

"Where do you get that I want a dictator?" - "not providing any centralized leadership was a big mistake. Leaving some major decisions up to the individual states did not work out well. Having states bidding against each other for PPE was a bad situation."

" Nowhere does it say that the plan implemented was the Obama administration's plan." You must be joking Joe!

"The public health system has a playbook to follow for pandemic preparation — regardless of who’s president or whether specific instructions are coming from the White House. Those plans were put into place in anticipation of another flu pandemic, but are designed to work for any respiratory-borne disease.

"The public health system has a playbook to follow for pandemic preparation "

"The public health system has a playbook to follow for pandemic preparation "

"The public health system has a playbook to follow for pandemic preparation "

The ONLY "Playbook" is the one implemented by the Obama administration.

"If the FDA bureaucrats were adhering to the Obama playbook, that tells me that they had a leadership problem." Too many deep staters, Joe.

" Did I mention South Korea?" Bailey did. And since all this is derived from your defense of Bailey's post....[whistling]

"What in my post supports your claim?" Everything - it's evident. Answer me this if you dare. Who did you support or vote for in the 2016 presidential election?

Joe Mancuso

Carlos, you still haven't shown anything that says that it was the Obama playbook. Just repeating the same pasted lines as many times as you want doesn't change the fact that the article you are using as the basis of your argument does not provide any support for your argument.

I guess I need to say it again: the current administration says that they developed their own playbook in 2018 and 2019 because the Obama playbook was so lacking. So, are you saying that even though the current administration developed a "much better, which was much more complete, and which was a lot tougher" playbook, they never implemented it? Because the article only says that the public health system has a playbook to follow. If the current administration never implemented their playbook, then I was wrong. You still haven't shown me where they say they didn't implement their own playbook. Of course, if they developed a playbook and didn't implement it, well that opens up a whole new conversation.

I wasn't and am not and never will defend Bailey's post. Don't really think I need to since Bailey seems to do just fine. It's not my place to defend someone else's viewpoint. People can post whatever they want and I can agree or disagree with them or take issue with there supporting data and that's about it. You're welcome to post whatever you want without anyone ragging on your for your opinion. But, you should expect to get challenged when your supporting data doesn't seem to support that opinion. I attempted to respectfully challenge your data by pointing out that I don't feel that it supports your statement about "Don't rely on the pandemic guidebook formed during the Obama administration to administer tests". Ok, the "bless your heart" may have come across a little snarky, but you seem to enjoy some humor mixed in with the discussion so I thought it would be ok.

Therefore, your statement about me agreeing with South Korea and wanting a dictatorship is totally unfounded.

As to your answer of "everything - it's evident" as to what in my post supports your claim that I'm a leftist , that's really a non-answer.

Would it surprise you to hear that I voted for Trump? I'm sure it would because you don't understand how someone can support our President without going all in. Should I blindly go along with whatever any administration decides to do? That seems to be what you expect. But, it seems that you only expect that with regard to the Trump administration. Talk about wanting a dictatorship!

Your childish name calling and "dares" really don't lend any credence to your arguments. Your "discernment" of what people really mean needs some work. You don't get to decide what people mean.

Bailey Jones

I've never blamed Trump for the pandemic. But I do hold him responsible for everything he and his administration has said and done during the pandemic. What I want - what he owes us as our president - is very simple, "We've learned a lot about what we did wrong and what we could have done better, and here are the changes we're making so we'll be better prepared next time". That's what responsible leaders do.

Carlos Ponce

"The public health system has a playbook to follow for pandemic preparation "

"Carlos, you still haven't shown anything that says that it was the Obama playbook."-

"The public health system has a playbook to follow for pandemic preparation "

"The public health system has a playbook to follow for pandemic preparation "

The ONLY "Playbook" is the one implemented by the Obama administration. DUH!

"If the FDA bureaucrats were adhering to the Obama playbook, that tells me that they had a leadership problem." Too many deep staters, Joe.

" Did I mention South Korea?" Bailey did. And since all this is derived from your defense of Bailey's post....

"What in my post supports your claim?" Everything - it's evident. Answer me this if you dare. Who did you support or vote for in the 2016 presidential election?

Joe Mancuso May 25, 2020 2:32pm

Carlos, you still haven't shown anything that says that it was the Obama playbook.

Joe Mancuso

Carlos,

The act of repeating the same arguments over and over expecting a different outcome has already been defined.

You just keep repeating the same lines with no additional argument or information. What, am I supposed to just cave so you'll quit repeating yourself? Your last post contains no additional info, no new arguments, not even any new words! Oh wait, you did add a word - you added "DUH!"

So, to quote you, "DUH", the Trump administration replaced the Obama playbook with their own. What part of that sentence do you need help with?

But I will say that I totally agree with your very last statement!

This going in circles is getting old. If you come up with anything new, please post it, otherwise, I think I'm done.

Carlos Ponce

It's obvious you don't get it. Most do.

Trump does not call his handbook a "Playbook". His administration put out a number of HANDBOOKS and Guidance Maunuals:

"Guidance on Preparing Workplaces for COVID-19"

https://www.osha.gov/Publications/OSHA3990.pdf

"Pandemic Handbook for Outreach Workers Visiting Encampments"

https://nhchc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Pandemic-Handbook-for-Outreach-Workers-Apr-2020-v07.pdf

"Opening America Up Again"

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/php/CDC-Activities-Initiatives-for-COVID-19-Response.pdf

OSHA put out a number of publications to handle the virus:

https://www.osha.gov/pls/publications/publication.athruz?pType=Industry&pID=651

The only "PLAYBOOK" belongs to the Obama administration.

Wayne D Holt

I would add: A lot of the shutdown could have been avoided if 1) the Imperial College (ICL) of London Niall Ferguson's whacked out computer projections had been viewed as likely repeats of the same outrageous misdiagnosis he had made both for SARs and MERS previously, and 2) we had a political class at the federal, state and local level that was willing to reconsider and adjust the shutdown regime when the same Niall Ferguson reversed and revised his initial fatality rate effectively by 97.5% just two weeks later.

Instead, the shutdown was on like gangbusters and the more the evidence showed we were digging a very deep economic hole for no good reason, the more government of, by and for the people ignored the massacre out in flyover country (non-Wall Street and Washington).

The many anecdotes of Pelosi's ice cream collection or Trump's Lysol cleansing regimen are just a distraction if it doesn't take into account the total garbage data that was used to kick off this dance macabre. It has been shown the models used were, in effect, random number generators as ICL data massage required averaging the output of computations in series because the same inputs never output the same answer.

So much for empirical proof and science.

Carlos Ponce

Bailey wants Trump to say, "We've learned a lot about what we did wrong and what we could have done better, and here are the changes we're making so we'll be better prepared next time".

This sounds like a retrospective. Is Bailey suggesting the pandemic is over? That's the time for a retrospective.

Bailey Jones

Bailey wants to hear from Trump, not Carlos. If Bailey wanted to hear from a Trump sycophant, he'd watch the professionals on Fox.

Carlos Ponce

When this is all over, Bailey, you'll hear. Right now is not the time.

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