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Jim Casey

There's a name for parents who don't want to talk to their children about sex: grandparents.

Bailey Jones

[tongue]

Walter Dannenmaier

You clearly never met my mother.

Carlos Ponce

We saw in Laudoun County that parents want a say in what their children learn. The same can be said for what children are allowed to read.

Don't ban the books but keep them behind the desk . On the shelf put this: "To read the book "XXX XXXXX XXXXXX", a parent or guardian must sign, giving permission".

Charles Douglas

[thumbup][thumbup][thumbup][thumbup][thumbup][thumbup][thumbup][thumbup] Mr. Ponce you are absolutely correct! This is why this world has come to be what it is today, because we as a generation have failed in the transfer of Godly values, and moral training which one generation is mandated to pass on to the next! Some of this nasty crap I see some people are wanting kids to be exposed to,.. is horrific and unconscionable! So much so, that nobody needs to wonder why we are having to deal with the amount of child sex crimes, and pedophilia in this nation which we are having to deal with, because there are many who think SEX TRASH SHOULD BE TAUGHT IN GRADE SCHOOL TO ELEMENTARY KIDS instead of reading, writing, & math!

Good Lord if you are going to expose children to any kind of trashy sex books then why not let the little ones see "Deep Throat," and "Behind The Green Door," films too? This poll results shows you why we have the lawlessness, and the number of prisons being built in America today! If you talk or minister with the incarcerated, you will learn about how "child neglect" can cause problems in an individual after they becomes an adult, and the end results are self explanatory!

Walter Dannenmaier

"Deep Throat"? "Behind the Green Door"? You are a bit behind the times, Mr. Douglas. Children don't have to sneak a peak at a dirty magazine or go to the library these days. We have had the I-N-T-E-R-N-E-T for some time now. And if a child isn't clever enough to use it to see what he/she/it wants, they probably don't want to see it bad enough.

Carlos Ponce

A good parent supervises his or her child's internet usage. Of course there are some kids who will go over to Jimmy's or Susie's to view that which is forbidden in their home. Once you hear of it, deal with it.

Gary Scoggin

“ Don't ban the books but keep them behind the desk . On the shelf put this: "To read the book "XXX XXXXX XXXXXX", a parent or guardian must sign, giving permission".

Heaven forbid I agree with Carlos twice in one week but this is a very reasonable approach.

Bailey Jones

Hmmm... let's see - which is more likely to harm our kids, knowledge or ignorance?

Stuart Crouch

Hard to argue that logic, yet they will try.

David Hardee

The simple minded exclude the purpose. Neither ignorance or knowledge is a destination. Neither standing alone has value. The value in the use and the Wisdom, sapience, or sagacity is the ability to contemplate and act using knowledge, experience, understanding, common sense and insight. Now we can either relax and ignore the platitude that describe KIDS are static with knowledge or ignorance, or admit they are in transition. And at that state of KIDS in accumulation of WISDOM.

So I refer you back to my previous comment that exposed the convolution imbedded in the specious question that was posed to generated the POLL.

Wisdom to see and understand the innocuous yet uselessness of the questions and any unqualified vote is directly a reflection on knowledge or ignorance of the voter,

This knowledge and ignorance without wisdom is how we got Biden as president.

Carlos Ponce

Not exactly the same topic but similar enough to warrant a second look:

Letter to the Editor

The Galveston Daily New

Thursday, September 30,1993

Better get ready for battle of blackboards

Michael W. Lopez Jr.

Santa Fe

America's next great war will be fought right here at home, in the classroom. The combatants won't be soldiers but parents, fighting for control of the classroom against the humanists, socialists, and new agers.

As parents, we can no longer sit idly by and allow the NEA, TEA, state and federal governments to dictate what we have to allow our children to be subjected to. We wouldn't allow it in our homes; why then in the classroom? Our children are a gift

from God. To fail our children is to let Him down.

Stuart Crouch

The last I checked, "Humanist, Socialist and New-agers" are also parents. This, then, particularly with the battle over school influence and control, will center on religion and morality, whereupon you will lose yet again. If you want them to be taught in observation of & conformance to your religious beliefs, that won't happen in a public school - for a whole lot of very good reasons.

Ted Gillis

So you had to go and drag up that idiot.

Carlos Ponce

No, you dragged yourself into the discussion, Ted.

David Hardee

I voted - • Yes, our children should be shielded from certain topics. Because most (as proven by the upheaval in Loudoun county sudden parent revolt) parents are UNaware of what is indoctrinating children and too many awful parents that do not care. So, some standards must be set.

These are a few current standards that are currently used. We are all aware that currently there are restrictions set by ages to certain consumer products and activities, i.e. alcohol, driver licenses. ratings on movies, etc.. We need to recall that the Hayes Act was once a standard for entertainment but discarded. Movie ratings were put in instead so the consumer would have pre notice of content before attending. The fact is that the unleashing under the Supreme Court on the Hustler magazine case had, as usual unforeseen circumstances, that opened society to the "free speech" being a vehicle for the most disgusting perpetrator's to disseminate the most putrid speech and acts into the general population. There has been overtime, severe consequences on the morality and character of the general public.

Dissemination of material of all kinds must be discretionary to the well being of the society. Censorship is not a prerogative, but of any agency and access is to be at the discretion of the consumer. The protection/qualifying consumer restrictions are to be set by (and WHO is the conundrum) with the best configurations with the general public (society) norms, as to where a product is presented and available.

We are seeing in Loudon the reappearance of discretionary versus "freedom." Untethered freedom is as diabolical as is censorship. A public vote in a very diverse society is always inconclusive. Standards in any very diverse society where the decree of SUPREME OPINION is adjudicated as law only until the next adjudication will never satisfy, permanently. As we see repetitively our laws are mere transitory under the who, why and where the adjudications are rendered. Our society of morals, ethics and character are the play pen of a lawyer's imaginations and never ending financial accumulation. Such is an overly(progressive) liberal democracy where freedom is untethered. Analogy - President Bush (father of George W.) said he did not like broccoli but mama made him eat it because it was good for him - mama was the law and he was denied freedom - freedom needs a consistent mama (law) - because it's good for us collectively.

Ted Gillis

Carlos, Lopez was one of the most divisive elected officials ever in Santa Fe. He and his copycat board members ruined our reputation for generations. During city annexation meetings with property owners, the “school board” was one of the most unfavorable comments we heard from people protesting our annexing them. We had to convince them, that we were not the school board.

Yes, how I miss those days of CNN and Fox filming our high school stadium during home games, with crazies walking up and down Highway 6, carrying prayer signs with one even dragging a full scale wooden crucifix on his back. Yeah, those were the days.

Carlos Ponce

As usual, Ted has all his facts WRONG. Michael Lopez was on the school board the same time my friend Johnny Couch was on the board.

"During city annexation meetings with property owners, the “school board” was one of the most unfavorable comments we heard from people protesting our annexing them." That shows their ignorance since the property the City of Santa Fe wanted to annex was ALREADY in SFISD jurisdiction. I'll ask former mayor Ralph Stenzel about your claim.

Ted Gillis

Ralph was there. He heard all of the cringe worthy comments just like I did.

Carlos Ponce

If the people actually made that comment I'm certain Ralph pointed out the difference between School district board members and city council and being annexed would not change a thing. Most people think Mike Lopez did an excellent job on the school board. He won by a greater margin than two votes.

Carlos Ponce

Ted, I spoke with Ralph Stenzel today. He does recall the comments against annexation, NONE which alluded to Mike Lopez as the reason for their opposition.

Carol Dean

There is a group of liberals who have a Facebook Page in League City and to read their posts, you would think they all WANT these books to be up front and in the children's section. They also, I assume, have not even seen the inside of these books. I have a friend who was a former member of TEA and she made sure she saw what was inside the books. She was horrified at the graphics that were being made available to young children. Let children be children as long as they can and, Baily, you comment about ignorance vs. educated was just plain moronic in regards to this discussion. Have you read these books and would you want your grandchildren exposed to them if they happened to find them on their own at the "Public" Library?

Bailey Jones

Carol, there's no book in the "Public" Library that I wouldn't want my grandkids to be "exposed" to.

Carol Dean

Not sure about your discretionary choices unless your "grandschildren" are over the age of 12.

Allison Buchtien

If parents are having such a fit about what kids are learning in public schools then they would pull their kids out and home school them. There is always an alternative if the education is that bad.

Carlos Ponce

They are doing precisely that in school with Liberal philosophy. Take a look at Loudoun County Schools:

"Loudoun County Public Schools expects to see a $7 million drop in state funding during fiscal year 2022 because of decreased enrollment "

Stuart Crouch

Indeed.

C. Patterson

By root and branch.

Carol Dean

No one ever said it was "Easy" to be a good parent. But I hope that parents will start paying a little more attention to what is really going on.

Cary Semar

When I was eleven years old, I roamed freely the shelves of Bee County Public Library which at that time was one room in the back of the Beeville Community Church. I read mostly novels and only rarely books aimed at children. One of the books I checked out and thoroughly enjoyed was "Mr. Roberts" by Thomas Heggen. It was an enjoyable tale about men serving on a navy transport ship in W.W. 2. When I returned the book, I confided to the librarian, because of realistic sailor talk therein, that the book was kind of "obscene."

"Oh," said the librarian. She opened the book on her desk and wrote on the flyleaf: "Not for juniors," in pencil.

I went away feeling that I had performed a righteous act, but that was my only venture into the realm of censorship. My parents were religious and socially conservative, but they never tried to stop me from reading anything. Neither did the librarian at the Bee County Public Library.

Bailey Jones

When I was about that age I found a book in my parents' library. It was called "The Egg and I". My mom thought it was a little risque for me, so naturally, I wanted to read it. It was the book that the Ma and Pa Kettle movies were based on, if you're old enough to remember those. I still remember a lot of the scenes from the book - but I never did figure out what the "risque" bits were supposed to be.

Carlos Ponce

Risque? Depends on your point of view:

"In an introduction to the book, her [Betty MacDonald] daughters offer a brief apology for MacDonald's portrayal of the local Native Americans, whom she viewed as lazy, dirty and drunken. Many of her neighbors are branded with the same taint: The Kettle's homestead is so deep in manure that lazy Pa, rather than try to muck out the huge piles, burns down the barn, which starts a small forest fire."

https://www.oregonlive.com/books/2008/11/lost_northwest_book_review_the.html

Stuart Crouch

In my America, book bans and book-burning is a no-no. To witness those that try to do so, spin and white-wash it to be something else is always a bit concerning.

Not even The Anarchist' Cookbook and The Turner Diaries are in danger of being prohibited from public access.

Books that teach an ideological view that favors violence, hate, division or any form of superiority over others due to differences (culture, beliefs, race, caste, etc.) should be the focus of any consideration about restricted access. That being said, y'all prolly gonna have to start with that Old & New Testament stuff.

Bailey Jones

I think I still have my copy of the Anarchist's Cookbook - the one I bought in high school. I suppose my grandkids will find it one day when they are cleaning out PawPaw's stuff, next to that old copy of "Revolution for the Hell of It".

Ana Ortiz-Monasterio Draa

This whole idea feels very cancel culture. Want to control what your child reads? Go to the library with them. Oh, trust their judgement and have open, honest conversations with them about what they see in the world.

Bailey Jones

Better yet, let them read what they want, read the same book yourself, then sit down and discuss the ideas presented in the book with your child.

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