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Carlos Ponce

Finally, a voice of reason. The Supreme Court decision in Brandenburg v Ohio set a standard for incitement. Trump's speech does not meet that standard. Trump's speech is the only thing mentioned in this kangaroo court of an impeachment. There is nothing in that speech that incites people to riot. If you think there is please point it out. I issued this request on January 7th and no reader can find anything. The same was brought up on the House floor. No member of Congress could find it either. It's not there.

I expect Trump hating Liberal forum users to now call for the removal of Randy Weber. Go for it, I will not impede your freedom of speech. But if you cannot com,e up a single legitimate reason you look like a foolish DNC pawn. Your hatred will stick out like a large pimple in the middle of your face.

Randy Weber's vote reflects the majority of voters in Congressional District 14. Randy Weber's vote reflects the majority of Texas voters. If you hate Randy that's your right, but you are also hating your Gulf Coast neighbors who not only voted for him, agree with his vote and continue to support him.

Gary Scoggin

“ I issued this request on January 7th and no reader can find anything. The same was brought up on the House floor. No member of Congress could find it either. It's not there.”. Actually, I tend to ignore requests from you, Carlos, because you never accept any facts presented to you. Never once have I ever seen you change your mind on this forum. So it’s not worth my time to try.

Carlos Ponce

"Actually, I tend to ignore requests from you, Carlos," Posts Gary Scoggin.

If you can't find anything just tell us. If find something we want to see what you think.

Paul Sivon

You have a typo, missed the T before reason.

Gary Scoggin

Well player, Paul 😉

Charles Douglas

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Doug Sivyer

Voice of reason my ass! Whether or not you agree that King tRumps speech to his radicalized "subjects" on the day of the insurrection was "inciting", it was clearly leading and served to rile up the insurrectionists to a point where they perpetrated extreme violence resulting in massive damage and loss of life. All while tRump sat in the White House watching it unfold (likely cheering them on) until he was forced to address his violent subjects, calling them "very special" and stating "we love you". Then asking them to go home in peace after they had ravaged the Capitol building and violently assaulted police and others resulting in the death of 4 persons. Anyone that can defend tRumps words/actions and disagree that he should be removed from office immediately, is a traitor and has no place in our democracy.

Paula Flinn

I agree.

Carlos Ponce

Doug, three died from NATURAL CAUSES. All three were Trump Patriots. One Trump Patriot, an Air Force veteran, was killed by Capitol Police. The last was a police officer. Despite all the video, his attacker has not been identified. To blame their deaths on President Trump's speech is lunacy.

Gary Scoggin

Carlos, "Doug, three died from NATURAL CAUSES. All three were Trump Patriots. One Trump Patriot, an Air Force veteran, was killed by Capitol Police. The last was a police officer. Despite all the video, his attacker has not been identified. "

The veteran was killed by Capitol Police as she tried to break through a window into the Speaker's Lobby. Her death was on her, nobody else. A Capitol Police officer was killed as the Pro-Trump rioters beat him in the head with a fire exinguisher.

What exactly about any of their actions is Patriotic? I think treasonous is a better description. Every single person that entered the building should face serious time for their part in the insurrection. Especially the people who murdered that officer.

Carlos Ponce

"Her death was on her, nobody else." So you agree blaming Trump is nonsense.

But she was not breaking in. She was trying to go through an already broken window, friends say to try to stop the bad guys as her Air Force training trained her to do. Sounds PATRIOTIC to me!

The punishment for unlawful entry has a maximum penalty of one year.

The person(s) who murdered the officer has not been identified as a Trump Patriot or other.

Carlos Ponce

By the way, Gary Scoggin, BLM anti- Trump activist John Sullivan who was beside the Air Force Veteran when she was shot has been arrested for making terorist threats in the Capitol. Kudos to Bailey Jones who first mentioned the BLM activist, albeit before the charges. So BLM was involved.... Hmmmm.

Carlos Ponce

Doug Sivyer, Donald Trump is not a king. He's the president. You must be confused... again.

Richard Illyes

Trump is a total outsider, never having held elective office. The insiders of both parties feel an existential threat to their very core identity as members of the ruling elite. He must be destroyed and an example created that will prevent such a thing from ever happening again.

It won't work. As Dilbert creator Scott Adams Tweeted yesterday: One way to look at today’s events is that the House impeached Trump. The other way is that they just handed him the thing he wanted most: a national platform to put election integrity on trial. Senate will be like the Scopes Trial.

He won't have to present evidence during the impeachment, their refusal to allow it will provide lots of coverage.

It looks like the Swamp stole the election. It will destroy them in the end.

My favorite Biblical quotation is Psalm 146:9

King James Version

The LORD preserveth the strangers; he relieveth the fatherless and widow: but the way of the wicked he turneth upside down.

Stay tuned.

Carlos Ponce

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Wayne D Holt

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Charles Douglas

Amen brother Richard! I guess in America we can now hold trials where the accused won't be allowed to put up a defense, won't be able to call nor question witnesses? I am not surprised because this country is becoming more and more like Red China by the minute! The First, Amendment is being trashed by our freedom watching media with their systematic meddling in our political arena, the Second Amendment constantly being threatened by the LEFT, and the Sixth and Fourteenth Amendments rights of Trump was thrown in the garbage! Everyone should ask themselves, "What if this happened to me, with my constitutional rights being taken away?"

Gary Scoggin

Charles -- The House part of the Impeachment and Removal process is akin to a Grand Jury, to determine probable cause of an action worthy of removal. The Senate is where the actual trial occurs, at which point the accused (i.e., at that time former President Trump) will have the opportunity to offer a defense.

Other than the symbolism of a rebuke and the inability for Trump to run in 2024, I'm not sure that this action is best for our country. I'd rather President-elect Biden start off with as clean a slate as possible and the Senate focused on approving Cabinet positions rather than cleaning up the Trump/McConnell/Weber mess. This is a chance for all the Republicans that are suddenly interested in uniting the country to make good on their word. I think we say, "Good-bye Mr. Trump and don't let the door hit you in the a**."

Gary Miller

Gary S,>RINO Republicans are being identified for the mid term elections. As are socialist Democrats. MAGA/patriots are not Republicans or Democrats. They will run in GOP and DNC primaries in 2022..

Gary Scoggin

I'm confused. If MAGA/Patriots are not Republicans or Democrats and all the other Republicans are RINOs, are there any real Republicans left? And what is a "MAGA/patriot", exactly? I assume it includes the QAnon followers, militia members and other traitors that entered the Capitol with the intent to capture and maybe kill lawmakers. I'm sorry, Gary M, that's not a bunch I want to be associated with. I'm surprised you would, either.

Carlos Ponce

Gary Scoggin posts he's confused.... Gary we've known that for quite some time. You remind me of Vinnie Barbarino as played by John Travolta - "I'm son confused!"

Gary Miller

Richard> Believe a Democrat at your peral. They need no proof. Accused is convicted.

Bailey Jones

This is very simple.

Question - why did the mob attack the Capitol? Answer - to prevent the certification of Joe Biden.

Question - why did the mob want to prevent the certification of Joe Biden? Answer - because they believed that massive voter fraud had been committed and that the election had been stolen.

Question - Why did the mob believe that there was massive voter fraud and a stolen election? Answer - Because Trump told them so.

Question - Why was the mob in DC in the first place? Answer - Because Trump told them to be there.

Question - Why did the mob march to the Capitol? Answer - Because Trump told them to march to the Capitol.

The Trump Insurrection was a direct result of the Trump Election Lies. Trump is therefore responsible for the insurrection. Further, anyone who promoted the Trump Election Lies, either directly - by endlessly repeating and defending the lies in the media (both real media - including this forum - and social media), or in political speeches (including tweets, etc.), or on the floor of Congress, is also culpable. Anyone who believed the lies, or participated in the creation of an ideological ecosystem that allowed the lies to live and flourish unopposed, is also culpable.

It's no wonder that Weber is rejecting any responsibility by Trump for the insurrection - because he is equally responsible for it.

Cary Semar

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Wayne D Holt

Here's where you went off the rails, Bailey: "Question - Why did the mob believe that there was massive voter fraud and a stolen election? Answer - Because Trump told them so."

There are tons of alt sources of investigative reporting/news/opinions on the Net. The ubiquity of camera phones has made every person at an event a potential reporter. There are literally millions of people who put the integrity of the election before the re-election of Mr. Trump. I am one of them.

We can see with our own eyes the videographic and photographic evidence. We can read the affidavits submitted under penalty of perjury by hundreds of those involved, including Democrats, much to their credit. We can see the state judiciary proceedings where incursions into the Dominion system are accomplished in real-time in front of state legislators. We can watch TV election results change before our eyes as the exact number of votes taken from the Trump totals show up a second later in the Biden column.

You give way too much credit to Mr. Trump's powers of persuasion and not nearly enough to the American people's ability to see with their own eyes what was done...and to demand a fair and forthright investigation.

In what is very likely to be the most divisive question of the American polity since the Civil War, the Supreme Court--which has busied itself over the years with umpteen issues of lesser significance to the average American--refused to provide the context for proving once and for all that the election was won honestly. They have failed, and the American system of federal governance has failed We the People. What could have been investigated openly and determined transparently now has morphed into some thing that is going to be difficult, or impossible, to control.

Trump did not create these conditions. The mistrust, the rejection of a system as corrupt, as militaristic, as cynical as we have, created the conditions...and Mr. Trump was there to carry that standard. How he did that is certainly open to varying opinions. Why he was able to do it is unquestionable. It's because over 70,000,000 Americans are fed up. Now we'll see how We the People sort this out, since the people we pay to do just walked away from it.

Gary Scoggin

Wayne -- there is a mountain of evidence showing that Biden won the election and a molehill of evidence that he didn't.

What is your proposed solution as we sit here less than a week before inauguration? Another armed insurrection? A further division of the country? An investigation? By whom and into what? Will those who believe that election was stolen ever believe an investigation whose results indicate otherwise?

Perhaps the best thing is for reasonable people, of which I consider you one, to accept the fact that the election was fairly decided and to advocate for their positions on the issues confronting our nation. There are those who will never accept the facts of the election. There are politicians that only want to use this as an opportunity for personal advantage - Ted Cruz, for example. There are those groups - QAnon, The Proud Boys and other militias, for example -- that only want to overthrow our democracy. It is vital that the reasonable forces in Americaa work to marginalize these unreasonable actors.

Gary Miller

Gary S. Only one thing wrong with your story. Millions saw and believe the evidence of election tampering. None will believe what we saw was untrue. Not now or ever.

Wayne D Holt

Gary, I appreciate your estimation of me as reasonable; I try to be. I think America could have, should have produced a president of better character than Donald Trump. But when I look at Democratic leadership like Pelosi, Schumer and RINOs like McConnell it is obvious the standard for political leadership in this country is so low that Trump easily surpasses that bar.

What do I propose? Nothing. It is too late to propose anything now as the institutions of our society that SHOULD have stepped in refused to. What I am doing is observing. And what I observe today is the Left's TOTAL monopoly of public discourse and opinion. We are in a full blown totalitarian propaganda state. By definition it must be, because the organs of the state's messages are the only ones now allowed to have an opinion.

It no longer matters what the Left or the Right think or believe as the dynamic is already in play. A finger in the dam is pointless. The absurdity of Democrats calling uninvited tourists in the Capitol an insurrection while remaining abjectly silent as the radical Left burned our cities is too surreal to merit further comment. This is going to be sorted out in a much less civilized way than it could have been, I regret to say.

You have it wrong, and I don't mean that in an insulting way. It is by way of an honest attempt to field an opinion on these pages that would be obliterated by the house organs supporting the corrupt and dying carcass of the military/intelligence/corporate behemoth that wraps itself in the flag while betraying every good and decent imperative that we as Americans took for granted.

And you are wrong in this way: 70,000,000 Americans don't want to overthrow our government. We want to restore it.

Bailey Jones

I disagree Wayne. Trump called the watchers to the polls. Trump insisted that there would be election fraud months before the election. He did the exact same thing in 2016. He created this circus of unwarranted, and unevidenced outrage. I keep waiting for all of this supposed evidence to result in a single finding that any state's electoral ballots were not fairly apportioned.

I realize that you believe it all. But I don't. The reason I don't is that it has been investigated and found not to be evidence of voter fraud. And I believe that the reason so many do believe it is a direct consequence of the president's campaign of lies and delusion. Or, I should say, that's the reason why so many more people believe it today than they did 4 or 8 years ago - as I agree that there has long been an undercurrent of distrust in our government among Americans. Trump is the first president to weaponize that distrust and turn Americans towards violent insurrection.

Gary Miller

Bailey> Trump was aware Democrats had been cheating to win ever since they became so small a minority to win honestly.

Bailey Jones

Here, Gary, let me fix that for you:

Trump was inciting insurrection to win ever since he became so small a minority to win honestly.

Wayne D Holt

~ Trump insisted that there would be election fraud months before the election.~

"Our election was hijacked. There is no question. Congress has a duty to #ProtectOurDemocracy & #FollowTheFacts."— Nancy Pelosi (@SpeakerPelosi) May 16, 2017

Bailey, Gary Scoggins and others who I consider as attempting to be honest brokers of the truth: Does this give you any inkling why conservatives/Right simply aren't interested in trying to dialog or convince the Left anymore? This is one example of what is writ large throughout these controversies. Until quite recently, the true conservatives have been content to let a majority Republican congress handle the hypocrisy and subterfuge of the decadent Democrat leadership (NOT Main St. Democrats, of whom I think much more highly). This is no longer the case.

There has been a rupture between true conservatives and the shameless opportunists in government with an (R) after their name who used it for branding purposes only. I think the Republican party is dead dead dead after their incredible unwillingness to demand that the will of half of the voting country be recognized and an open and transparent auditing of disputed votes be made. What is the price America is going to pay now that their darkest fears were not illuminated but reinforced?

Trump's folks would absolutely accept an open accounting that showed Biden won fairly...because they identify with America a lot more than they do with Trump.

Trump didn't "weaponize" anything, a word that is used a lot these days when the word "utilized" would be more accurate and less inflammatory.

If the Left thinks 70,000,000+ Americans are just going to accept this monumental case of denial of redress of grievances, they are wrong. What could have been handled within a system of justice, accountability and national unity is now going to degenerate into a partisan battle that is already spilling over into running street skirmishes.

The Right didn't ask for what is coming. It asked for an open accounting. It used words that were no different than what the Democrat Speaker of the House used nearly four years previously. And yet an insignificant smattering of Trumpists, Antifa and selfie takers becomes an insurrection while 500,000 of their ideological allies remain just outside unperturbed and peaceful.

Who is kidding who here?

Bailey Jones

A couple of things with regard to this whataboutism that's all over the twitterverse today about Nancy. 1 - I assume she's talking about Russian interference in the election. This has been investigated by our intelligence people, and Robert Mueller, and we've all seen the results - Russians interfered in the election. So - shenanigans alleged, shenanigans investigated, shenanigans proven, shenanigans acknowledged (except by Trump of course.) This is the proper course of events. 2 - Who cares what Nancy Pelosi says? There is no cult of Nancy analogous to the cult of Trump. Had Nancy called for a march on the Capitol to overturn the 2016 election results, you might have a case. But she didn't. So you don't. She was calling for an investigation, not overturning the will of the people. Had Trump spent the last 2 months calling for investigations into election fraud you might have a case. But he didn't. So you don't. He wasn't calling for investigations, he called for the results of the election to be thrown out.

I believe that what the Left thinks - because I totally speak for the left - is that 70,000,000+ Americans would see the allegations of shenanigans, see that the allegations of shenanigans have been investigated, and accept the reality that the allegations of shenanigans were found to not be evidence of fraud, and no longer believe the allegations. That's what I would think. That's what I would expect. There's a reason why that hasn't happened - and that reason is Trump.

Let me try a difference tact (in vain, I predict). There is a lot of talk today about possible involvement of Republican congressmen in the insurrection. Allegations of members of congress seeing suspicious things going on in the days before the insurrection. "I saw Rep. Soandso do suchandsuch and I think that may be shenanigans" is a typical allegation. You won't hear me repeating those allegations - because that's all that they are. Rep. Soandso may in fact have done suchandsuch, but until that is investigated by authorities, it's just noise. If, in the course of investigation, it turns out that Rep. Soandso was actually aiding and abetting an insurrection, then I'll be happy to make that claim and express the appropriate amount of outrage and shock. If it turns out that Rep. Soandso was actually just showing his nephew where the bathroom is, I won't have to explain why I was falsely accusing him of abetting insurrection and causing extremists to issue death threats against him and his family. This is how it's supposed to work in America. Allegations must be investigated and proved to be considered true. So far, 70,000,000+ American have seen them investigated and disproved. It's their own fault if they won't believe their eyes.

Ask yourself this - why send a clown like Giuliani out to prosecute these allegations? The president has the DOJ - an agency with limitless resources that exists precisely to investigate and prosecute allegations of voter fraud. Let's ask William Barr - "to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election."

Sorry, Bill - that's the wrong answer. Send in the clowns.

Gary Scoggin

Wayne -- We don't need to relitigate the 2020 election here because we've been around this merry-go-round a few times already and it appears that nobody is going to change anybody's mind. However, I do want to address one point you raised.

I really think that the opportunity to address any alleged fraud has come and gone. There was ample opportunity for Guliani and his cohorts to introduce verified evidence. They didn't do it. They didn't even allege fraud in their filings because they knew that they couldn't back the claims up. Instead, there have been self-sustaining allegations. The President's entire case was built upon "many people think" and "somebody saw" rather than a firm theory of how the alleged irregularities combined to alter the outcome of the election. I remain open to a logical, structured explanation of how this could be coordinated and pulled off, but I haven't seen anything close to it. But we also have a Constitutionally mandated date for the transfer of power and that cannot wait.

In any Presidential election there are tens of millions of people whose candiate didn't win. This election, which was likely the most honest of all time, is no different. Shame on the Republican politicians who weaponized the allegations into personal gain (I'm looking at you, Ted Cruz!) thus further undermining our democracy in the process. Same with the Democrats who also have weaponized the opposition and indignantly dismissed the concerns of the people. (I'm looking at you, Chuck Schumer!) These folks are not worthy of their office.

Wayne D Holt

Madame Speaker said what Madame Speaker said. I have no doubt the folks who disagree with me here would make better leaders than what we face now with the corruption, not of Democrats, but of a uni-party system. Cheerleading either the Republicans or Democrats, to my mind, is exactly what is required to paralyze Americans into inaction. America is being stolen, not by the Democrat next door, but by a system that has gorged itself on the corruption of a system that was supposed to serve all Americans but has been hijacked--as Pelosi said--not by the Republican next door but by folks who have loyalty to no party and to no principle other than self-enrichment and power.

Rather than go over the ground again, I will leave it with what Rep. Jim Jordan said from the well of the House. This is what I believe, and fear, we are heading into.

"Democrats objected to more states in 2017 than Republicans did last week but somehow we’re wrong. Democrats can raise bail for rioters and looters this summer but somehow when Republicans condemn all the violence, the violence this summer, the violence last week, somehow we’re wrong? And Democrats can investigate the President of the United States, as Mr. Hoyer went through, try to impeach him, investigate him for four years but will not look at an election that 80 million Americans, half of the electorate, Republicans and Democrats have their doubts about. I said this last night, I do not know were all this goes and this is frightening for the country."

Paula Flinn

I disagree with you, Wayne. Trump did create these conditions. His powers of persuasion are greater than you give him credit. The mistrust of Democrats by his supporters was caused by his calling us “evil.” It was caused by Trump’s idea that if there is a problem, “I, alone can fix it.” A very damaging statement of Trump’s was that “... with a Biden Administration, the people will lose their freedoms. They will take away your guns.” All of Trump’s statements are divisive, and self-serving.

“Trump urged supporters to “fight like hell,” warned the country would be destroyed and said Republicans had to “get rid of weak congresspeople.” Rep. Randy Weber (R) TX

Mr. Weber, a Trump supporter, is part of the problem of not holding Trump accountable for what he said. Words matter.

These statements were enough for them to yell “Hang Pence” install a noose, and go after Speaker Pelosi. Words matter. Words have consequences. The people in the US Congress feared for their lives, and as criminal and as bad as it was, with 5 people dying, it could have been much worse.

Trump preaches and displays violence and abhorrent behavior at every rally. These normally patriotic Americans crossed the line to become Violent Extremists because of a lie from Trump, that the 2020 election was “stolen.”

Trump is directly responsible for his supporters’ crossover to extremism and the violence at the US Capitol Building on January 6, 2021.

To top it off, when the attempted overthrow of the government became extremely violent, Trump did nothing to try to stop them. He just watched it happen on TV. Afterwards, he claimed no responsibility. He threw his violent insurrectionists “under the bus.”

Trump created the mistrust, Wayne, the rejection of the Democrats as “evil,” and the rejection, militarism, and cynicism his supporters hold for the system. He led them down the path by saying “fight like hell,” and “get rid of weak Congress people.” This directly led to the deaths of 5 people who would be alive today, but for Trump.

Gary Miller

Paula> Just as the MSM does. One US uniformed American was killed by a Capital cop. Three people died from normal causes. Another died in a hospital of unknown cause. Yes that is five but only one was a rally death.

James C.

Ms. Flinn,

What you write is nonsense and shows signs of delusion.

You write: I disagree with you, Wayne. Trump did create these conditions. His powers of persuasion are greater than you give him credit. The mistrust of Democrats by his supporters was caused by his calling us “evil.”

- When did he call you (Democrats) evil?

It was caused by Trump’s idea that if there is a problem, “I, alone can fix it.” A very damaging statement of Trump’s was that “... with a Biden Administration, the people will lose their freedoms. They will take away your guns.”

- He did say he would confiscate assault weapons (guns) in an interview with Anderson Cooper on August 7, 2019. Perhaps Biden should be more careful with his words to avoid such damaging rhetoric.

All of Trump’s statements are divisive, and self-serving.

- That's hyperbole. You cannot make such statements and have people take you seriously.

“Trump urged supporters to “fight like hell,” warned the country would be destroyed and said Republicans had to “get rid of weak congress people.” Rep. Randy Weber (R) TX

- OMG! Did it ever occur to you that "getting rid of weak congress people" might mean voting them out of office?

Mr. Weber, a Trump supporter, is part of the problem of not holding Trump accountable for what he said. Words matter

- Yes, words do matter. But people can have a different opinion than you without outlandish claims they are inciting violence.

These statements were enough for them to yell “Hang Pence” install a noose, and go after Speaker Pelosi. Words matter. Words have consequences. The people in the US Congress feared for their lives, and as criminal and as bad as it was, with 5 people dying, it could have been much worse.

- There is a very good chance these people would have said these things regardless of what Trump said.

Trump preaches and displays violence and abhorrent behavior at every rally. These normally patriotic Americans crossed the line to become Violent Extremists because of a lie from Trump, that the 2020 election was “stolen.”

- For real? How do you know this exactly?

Trump is directly responsible for his supporters’ crossover to extremism and the violence at the US Capitol Building on January 6, 2021.

- This is your opinion only. You have no proof of this whatsoever.

To top it off, when the attempted overthrow of the government became extremely violent, Trump did nothing to try to stop them. He just watched it happen on TV. Afterwards, he claimed no responsibility. He threw his violent insurrectionists “under the bus.

Trump created the mistrust, Wayne, the rejection of the Democrats as “evil,” and the rejection, militarism, and cynicism his supporters hold for the system. He led them down the path by saying “fight like hell,” and “get rid of weak Congress people.” This directly led to the deaths of 5 people who would be alive today, but for Trump.

- After we get Covid under control we need to come up with a vaccine for TDS. [rolleyes]

Paula Flinn

Another source to confirm Trump’s use of the word “evil” to describe Democrats and others he disagrees with. Words matter.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp/msna1152426

If you haven’t heard him, James C. You haven’t been listening.

Carlos Ponce

Abortion is evil. Democrats want to finance abortions. Democrats want us to fund evil. Only an evil entity would ask this country to fund evil.

Carlos Ponce

There was tons of evidence of the Holocaust but GIs were astonished at what they found because US papers refused to print it and radio refused to.

"And yet, at the end of the war and for decades afterward, Americans claimed they did not know about the Holocaust as it was happening. How was it possible for so much information to be available in the mass media and yet simultaneously for the public to be ignorant?

The reason is that the American media in general and the New York Times in particular never treated the Holocaust as an important news story. From the start of the war in Europe to its end nearly six years later, the story of the Holocaust made the Times front page only 26 times out of 24,000 front-page stories, and most of those stories referred to the victims as 'refugees' or 'persecuted minorities.' In only six of those stories were Jews identified on page one as the primary victims."

https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/10903

If it's not in the "Old Grey Lady", Liberals say it did not happen.

Virginia Stone

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Gary Miller

Bailey> Millions witnessed the theft and believe the evidence they saw. Corrupt Americans will dispute it but we know the truth.

Gary Scoggin

Millions? That's a lot of poll watchers.

Bailey Jones

Here, Gary, let me fix that for you:

Millions witnessed the president's months-long incitement of insurrection and believe the evidence they saw. Corrupt Americans will dispute it but we know the truth.

ur welcome.

Paula Flinn

Gary, dying from a heart attack or stroke or being suffocated or trampled, while attacking the Capitol Building is still dying. Being shot after breaking a window in that building is still dying. One or two Capitol Police Officers died from being in the building. The others that died were at the rally. They all have family and friends that care. Had they not been at that rally, they may have all still been alive. Many officers were injured, one may lose an eye. One was in pain being crushed by a door. The officer that died was hit by a fire extinguisher. Please don’t try to minimize man’s inhumanity to man or man’s despicable attack on our Democracy.

Carlos Ponce

Your logic and sensibility are missing, Paula.

Gary Scoggin

I am less concerned about Rep. Weber’s vote yesterday than I am about his vote on January 6th. His support for the ongoing lie that Donald Trump won the election makes him an enabler of those wishing to destroy our democracy.

Diane Turski

We all saw and heard Trump incite this insurrection. Weber is just another Trump tool who has no integrity or credibility.

Craig Mason

I agree Diane, Weber is a Tool. We have elected an idiot to represent us in congress.

Charles Douglas

I don't blame you Mr. Mason, I can't, and hold on to my integrity. The reason is I feel exactly like you feel toward Mr. Weber, only I feel that toward the election of our new President and Vice President. I cannot be a hypocrite! Just thought I would give you and Ms DIANE some props!

Carlos Ponce

Craig Mason, tools are useful. Fools are not. I bet you are not a tool.[innocent]

Carlos Ponce

"We all saw and heard Trump incite this insurrection. "

What do you THINK he said, Diane Turski because the video and transcript show NO incitement to insurrection. Tell us! Tell us! The world is ready to hear and see what you claim.

Ron Shelby

Bottom line: I don't believe Weber or even trust him.

Carlos Ponce

You must be a 60s Hippie. "Don't Trust the MAN!"

Craig Mason

Maybe Weber should concentrate on getting vaccine doses for his constituents in Galveston county instead of licking Trump's boots.

Carlos Ponce

Craig Mason, Randy Weber is our US representative. This is a state matter. Did you take government in school?

David Alquest

Perhaps Randy Weber is elected because he supports most of the constitutes. That doesn't mean he or his voters are correct and rational. Trumps insightful speech was right in front of us, and his multiple crimes are there. Weber is looking after himself since he is supported by the same base that supports Trump. Weber doesn't do anything good for the average person; he's a bigot too. I remember the Youtube video "Weber Cries" where he is praying to Jesus to not allow same sex couples to be together - what is that to him? I only wish our elected politicians had intelligence and decency.

Bailey Jones

Yes, of course. Trump is still 70%+ among Republicans - more than that in Weber's district I'm sure. You would have to care more about the truth and preserving our democratic institutions than your own re-election to speak out against him.

Paula Flinn

Yes, Trump’s words (lies) have divided this country. It is what Fascists do to attain power, and then, they control the people to retain power. It’s an us vs. them mentality. Divide & Conquer! It is predicated on “denigrating, dividing, and then hating the other side.” It always involves hate. Hating the other side enough to “get rid of it.”

Words matter. Actions have consequences. Over 80 million Americans recognized the Fascism of Trump, and they rejected it at the ballot box.

James C.

It's uncanny how Democrats will accuse their opponents of doing exactly what they practice. Democrats are the party of division. Pitting women against men, black against white, gay against straight, citizen against non-citizen, etc. There is no difference they will not exploit to hold onto their power.

Paula Flinn

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsday.com/amp/long-island/politics/trump-democratic-debate-preview-1.41514608

This isn’t the only time Trump called Democrats “evil.”

Paula Flinn

James C. Democrats have a big tent. The Republican Party is the party today that has prejudicial members that divide and discriminate. You accuse the Dems of not accepting everyone. That’s wrong. It’s your Republican Party that tolerates a White Supremacist (Trump) for a leader. That’s the truth. Read a little about Trump’s early Real Estate years. Read Mary Trump’s book.

James C.

Ms. Flinn, you made it sound as if he called all Democrats evil. In the story you linked to he was referring to the actions taken by politicians in his first impeachment. And there I would agree with him. You are blinded by hate ma’am.

Carlos Ponce

The Catholic Church finds actions by the Democrat Part to encourage government funding of abortion "evil".

I recommend you go to Youtube and listen to Father Frank Pavone (Priests for Life) r have a conversation with your own pastor.

Carlos Ponce

Paula posts, "It is what Fascists do to attain power..." Agreed.

And as the flames climbed high into the night

To light the sacrificial rite

I saw Satan laughing with delight

The days the Democrats LIED.

Carlos Ponce

Bailey posts, "Trump is still 70%+ among Republicans - more than that in Weber's district I'm sure." Actually I heard above 90%.

Richard Moore

Jury is still out on actions of U.S. Rep. Randy Weber. Things may get very interesting!

Michael Moriarty

The caption on the official picture above is, "See, I just screwed you again and you're too stupid to even know! Have some more Kool-Aid!"

Gary Scoggin

I don’t think Randy is that smart. I think he thinks he’s right. Besides, it’s what Louie Gohmert told him to do.

Carlos Ponce

Gary Scoggin, have you ever talked with Randy Weber? I have. He's intelligent.

Carlos Ponce

Michael, the caption does not say that at all.

Charles Douglas

Mr. Miller what is the problem? Looks like they are bringing a Division of Army Troops into DC like they are getting ready to.fight a war! What's up? We did not see all this used to help Trump! Now they are giving out the danger warnings all over the country. You cannot tell me the Second most sophisticated spy networks in the world got caught flatfooted with all this danger coming from different groups wanting to create CHAOS on inaugural day! What's up? Another Jim Comey Special consisting of hiding some intelligence and making up others? Would not surprise me!

Paula Flinn

Charles, Trump asked Jim Comey for loyalty, not to the Constitution, but to him. It’s what Fascists like Trump do. He got fired for telling Trump that he would be loyal to the Constitution.

Michelle Aycoth

There is help for you guys that blame someone else for everything.

Andy Aycoth

Carlos Ponce

All during the summer we saw :

Cities on fire - but Liberals said that was "peaceful".

Police attacked - but Liberals said that was "peaceful".

Cars destroyed - but Liberals said that was "peaceful".

Stores looted - but Liberals said it was "peaceful".

Ordinary citizens attacked by Antifa and BLM - but Liberals said that was "peaceful".

We get it now. When President Trump called for a PEACEFUL protest, Liberals used their own CONVOLUTED definition.

To paraphrase Sigmund Freud, "Sometimes a peaceful protest is just a peaceful protest."

Paula Flinn

James C.

You don’t know me, so you don’t have the right to call me names or say I am “blinded by hate.” I don’t hate anyone. I pray for Trump every day. I merely recognize the signs of Fascism and the signs of narcissistic sociopathy Trump displays. I judge him by his words and deeds. That’s why I say, “Words matter,” and, “Actions have consequences.” Telling people to “fight like hell” and to “remove weak Congress persons” is inflammatory and dangerous language. He may have meant at the ballot box, but he didn’t say so. I blame Giuliani for using the word, “combat.” Don Jr. used inflammatory language and so did Mo Brooks. The people on the dais never said do this with your votes. Election Day was last November. The implication was to “fight like hell” TODAY, and to rid themselves of weak Congress people today. That’s why the mob was after VP Mike Pence and Speaker Pelosi. Pelosi’s young staff spent over 2 hours under a big table in a dark room. Some of the mob banged on the door to get in. They must have been frightened.

And still you and others make excuses for him. Wow!

Ted Gillis

Nobody no such thing Carlos. They all condemned the violence. Now you are lying.

Robert Braeking

The DNC has become Big Brother. We are already seeing Doublethink, Newspeak, and Thinkpol. They have shoved precedent and reason down the Memory Hole and are attempting to make President Trump an Unperson. George Orwell missed the date by 37 years.

Carlos Ponce

We're not quite at the Ministry of Truth -" a misnomer because in reality it serves the opposite: it is responsible for any necessary falsification of historical events" (WIKI). But we do have individuals (Liberals) denying what can currently be proven using historical records.

But any day now I expect to go to the Newspaper archives and read "The Page You Have Requested is Not Available". That is, if this Culture of Cancel still persists.

AOC has proposed a similar government agency to check the "truthfulness" of media. In other words if it conforms to Liberal thinking it stays. If not... IT'S OUT!

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