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A group of four civil rights organizations filed a federal lawsuit Monday over attempts to check the citizenship status of thousands of registered Texas voters.

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Carlos Ponce

Just a citizen verification check and they throw a hissy fit. Have I ever been asked to prove my citizenship? Plenty of times. I crossed in and out of this country often. When I was young and we traveled to Mexico, Dad would carry all all legal papers in a zippered pouch which contained his Naturalization papers, Mom's Green Card and all our birth certificates. These were presented to Mexican officials upon entering Mexico and at highway check points and to American officials upon re-entering the United States and at border check stops in South Texas. NO BIG DEAL! As an adult I obtained a Passport which verified my status as an American citizen. NO BIG DEAL to present them while traveling. So I've had to produce proof of citizenship not quite 100 times (but close) to American and Mexican officials. And if asked to show them to Galveston County officials to vote that would be NO PROBLEM. Just like showing a driver's license to use a check (which I rarely do any more) or to law enforcement.
I can only surmise two reasons why people don't want to prove their citizenship. The first is pure politics - discredit the Republican administrations in Galveston County, Austin and Washington DC.
The second reason - they have something to hide.

Ron Woody

Hear!! Hear!!

Gary Miller

Carlos. We know what they hide. Born in America i too have been asked many times to prove I am a citizen. NO BIG DEAL.

Kelly Naschke

If there was nothing to hide....a count would be embraced.

Jarvis Buckley

Carlos , you make such a great point.
I've read your comments for years .
I thoroughly enjoy your knowledgeable thoughts.
You my friend are a great American .

George Croix

A possible third reason, Carlos, might be for some 'rights groups' to get free publicity from sympathetic sources....[wink]

Paul Hyatt

democrats have to have victims to be successful as they have no other message....

Jarvis Buckley

George , I think you may be on to something. Free advertising.

Lisa Gray

The fact that these "civil rights" groups are doing this speaks volumes. Why would anyone who loves our country and embraces our Constitution, want non citizens to vote in elections that affect our safety, prosperity and ultimately our culture? Oh gee, that's right, the democrats have gone so far round the bend that they cannot get people with common sense to vote for them. They have to promise poor people freebies and lie to to the stupid to get people to vote for them, bottom line. This is just pandering and noise making to rile up their non motivated base.

George Croix

Lisa, when you encourage and make your #1 political litmus test issue the killing your own citizens to be, you have to do all you can to resupply your future voter roles from outside sources.......[ohmy][censored]

Lisa Gray

Sadly the truth George,

Jarvis Buckley

Great comment Lisa👍

Jarvis Buckley

I'm so anxious to see what underhanded tactics the scandalous
democrats will pull tonight at the
State Of The Union speech . The Democrats are like a cheaply produced sit-com . I want to turn the channel every time they come on.
Honestly our country means nothing
to them.

Dan Freeman

“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; ….
The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.” US Constitution

The right to vote is just that, a right not a privilege. Any attempt to use driver’s registration or other unverified lists is an abridgment. If tens of thousands are inconvenienced to prevent a single inappropriate registration, our representative democracy is in peril.

Carlos Ponce

Thank you for posting the 14th Amendment, Dan. As indicated, it pertains only to "citizens of the United States".
"Any attempt to use driver’s registration or other unverified lists is an abridgment." Is the information on driver's registration the FINAL arbitrator in deciding whether a vote has been cast legally or not? No. That's why the lists were given to the individual counties to verify information. NO ONE was denied the right to vote when those names were handed out by the Texas Secretary of State, NO ONE. It is up to the individual counties to verify. Then if no proof of citizenship is provided that individual can be removed from the rolls. And if that person voted as a non-citizen the letter of the law will be followed.

George Croix

How about if tens of thousands are inconvenienced to prevent a single murder, Dan?
Or a single burglary?

I'm guessing that would be OK.
So, what it boils down to is not the inconvenience of preventing a crime, but what crime is in play.....the politicization of it.....

Nothing new there..........

Jarvis Buckley

Vegas , is betting on how many times Nancy Pelosi rolls her eyes tonight
At our Presidents State of the Union
Address.

Dan Freeman

I knew quoting the Constitution in defense of voter rights would provoke a troll farm. Let’s look at the comments:

Thank you for posting the 14th Amendment, Dan. As indicated, it pertains only to "citizens of the United States".
Actually it is the 14th and 15th Amendments. The former pertains to citizenship, the latter to voting rights.

"Any attempt to use driver’s registration or other unverified lists is an abridgment." Is the information on driver's registration the FINAL arbitrator in deciding whether a vote has been cast legally or not? No. That's why the lists were given to the individual counties to verify information. NO ONE was denied the right to vote when those names were handed out by the Texas Secretary of State, NO ONE. It is up to the individual counties to verify. Then if no proof of citizenship is provided that individual can be removed from the rolls. And if that person voted as a non-citizen the letter of the law will be followed.

No one claims the lists referred to voting, they referred to registration. But finding ways to inconvenience registration is an abridgement. This was addressed specifically in the National Voter Registration Act of 1993. If a registrar believes a vote has been cast illegally they need post hoc evidence. Also I thought the Texas Voter ID laws were supposed to take care of the rare event of an illegally cast vote.

“How about if tens of thousands are inconvenienced to prevent a single murder, Dan?
Or a single burglary?
I'm guessing that would be OK.
So, what it boils down to is not the inconvenience of preventing a crime, but what crime is in play.....the politicization of it.....
Nothing new there..........

This is clearly a Russian Troll who does not know the differences among voter registration, burglary and murder. Given Putin et al. this not surprising.

Thanks for the brilliant repartee Mr. Ponce and Mr. Croix. [smile][offtopic]

Carlos Ponce

Dan Freeman is a "Russian Troll"???? Figures.

Dan Freeman

Nope, not a troll or a robot. Write a public column for the News with my picture and my address verified. Haven't seen your picture, sir.

Carlos Ponce

Dan Freeman is a "Russian Troll"???? Figures.

George Croix

Thanks, yourself, Dan.
I notice you predictably attack the messenger when the message is uncomfortable...nothing new there...
If that is you....or, whoever it is that clearly doesn't understand that there's no such thing as a "little bit pregnant"....

You are, or you are not.

Russian troll?
Gotta love that internet, huh...

George Croix

ps:
There's only LEGAL 'voters rights'....not just anybody can vote at anytime for anything....yet..........
I can explain it to you, but you'll have to understand it yourself.......
[wink]

Ron Shelby

Weren't they legal when they registered according to the process set by the Secretary of State and "supposedly" administered properly by the local Tax Assessor Cheryl Johnson. We support the proper administration of an office by any elected official. Should we now doubt the job they are doing? And the Russian Troll comment was just tacky.... grow up and learn to argue effectively.

George Croix

I think you've got a really good point there, Ron.
There may well need to be some soul searching and corrective efforts at multiple levels. Ther sure needs to be some rough edges rounding.
Legal voting should not be a subject like dodgeball where you choose up sides and toss at each other, because it's, essentially, theft...theft of THE one thing that an ordinary honest citizen can exercise to influence in some small way his/her own will in the Big Scheme of Things.
But it's also a fact that the errors, if any, of yesterday, whether anything then slipped by or not, do not negate the need to correct any now.
Personally, I'd rather see a total political opposite from me elected by an honest, legal vote, than for 'my guy/gal' to win by fraud....
I certainly hope I'm not alone in that................

Wayne Holt

"Personally, I'd rather see a total political opposite from me elected by an honest, legal vote, than for 'my guy/gal' to win by fraud....
I certainly hope I'm not alone in that................"

I second that, George. Sadly, political opinion makers on both sides of the isle have gone far down the path of win at any cost. If potentially disenfranchising citizens is blameworthy, so is the repeated use of totally bogus claims generated by paid opposition research but paraded as legitimate news. Disenfranchising can take many forms and Republicans certainly aren't the only ones who may have a finger on the scale regarding the voting process.

Carlos Ponce

Ron Selby posts "and 'supposedly' administered properly by the local Tax Assessor Cheryl Johnson"
The list has names that date to before Cheryl Johnson's tenure as tax assessor collector.

Carol Dean

Who asked you anyway, Ron?

Ron Shelby

Cheryl must be trying to position herself for a run for Secretary of State or Comptroller.

Carlos Ponce

While she would make a great Secretary of State or Comptroller she's just doing her job.

Carol Dean

Once again, Ron, who asked you anyway? Cheryl Johnson is one of the best things that has ever happened to Galveston County. Sorry you live in another state and can't "keep up" with what is REALLY going on here in Galveston County. BTW, did you change your voter registration and drivers license registration when you left the state. You know there is a time limit on addressing those things unless you are in the military.

Jarvis Buckley

However Beto will announce by the end of February if he will run for President.

George Croix

Let's try to keep in mind that IF...IF...there are illegally registered voters, it's THEIR fault for having registered illegally.....
We're not supposed to get a pass from guilt if we got around a law.
A shoplifter who's not caught is still a shoplifter.....

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