GALVESTON

A group of 100 or so Galveston County residents gathered at 33rd Street and Seawall Boulevard from noon to 4 p.m. Saturday for a peaceful protest in response to the death of George Floyd, a Houston native who was killed Memorial Day in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

Angela Wilson: 409-683-5239; angela.wilson@galvnews.com

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Bailey Jones

[thumbup] Power to the People

Gary Miller

As a white conservative i was outraged by the conduct of the cop that killed Floyd. He was employed to protect all citizens. He didn't protect Floyd's rights and I felt he should be convicted fully for his illegal conduct. The other cops involved should face justice for their lack of proactive protection for Floyd. That was then but now I'm just as outraged by the conduct of violent riots by citizens of these Democrat cities. Spineless Democrat mayors or governors are responcible for lack of action to control the violent riioters. Almost as if they expect to benefit politically from the violence? Am I wrong to blame Democrats? Saturday there were riots in 75 US cities, all 75 were run by Democrats, The list contains no conservative cities.

Bailey Jones

If your takeaway from all of this is "Democrats are bad", then yes, you're wrong. The only correct takeaway from this is "racism is bad". All else is partisan commentary.

Larry Grissom

Your incorrect. When violence is allowed, and it’s ONLY IN democratic cities, your ignorant if you think it isn’t political.

Bailey Jones

There's nothing amazing or sinister about the fact that these protests are occurring in Democrat controlled cities. In living memory - and you're older than I am - has there ever been a single instance of white conservatives getting off their couches to march in protest about the treatment of blacks by law enforcement in this country? I don't think so.

As for the riots. I don't approve, but neither am I outraged. Americans have ALWAYS rioted when justice wasn't available by any other means. I find great irony in the fact that so many "Tea Party Republicans" denounce the destruction of private property as a means of protest - given the tremendous destruction of private property (over $1M in today's dollars) during the actual Tea Party.

What does bother me about the riots is that they seem to have been provoked by agents provocateurs - who, in the videos I've seen, are young white men and women. Are they anti-fascists? Or three percenters? White supremacists? Nazis? We don't know. But what we do know is that they are intent upon inflaming an already inflammatory situation. Don't take the bait.

History tells us that the only way there is ever peace is when there is justice. No justice = no peace, it;s a very simple equation. Blacks have been shining the light on police brutality for decades - and have been met with indifference at best, and scorn at worst. Remember the disdain voiced in this very newspaper about the peaceful protests by NFL players - and what your president said about them? You ignore the light - you get the fire. Me - I'm all about the light. But until white conservative America decides that the racial inequities in our justice system are unacceptable, there will be fire.

Carlos Ponce

"has there ever been a single instance of white conservatives getting off their couches to march in protest about the treatment of blacks by law enforcement in this country? "

There are conservatives who have done precisely that.

"No justice = no peace, it;s a very simple equation. " It is a false equivalency.

Bailey Jones

"There are conservatives who have done precisely that." Wow - that must have been an historic event. Link, please.

Mary Gillespie

Bailey, it is not appropriate to use the Boston Tea Party to justify the current riots.

The Sons of Liberty had to break a padlock to open the tea chest. Contemporary accounts say the event was carried out, "Without the least Injury to the Vessels or any other property.”After the destruction of the tea, the participants swept the decks of the ships clean, and anything that was moved was put back in its proper place. The crews of the ships attested to the fact there had been no damage to any of the ships except for the destruction of their cargoes of tea. The Sons of Liberty replaced the padlock the next day.

The Sons of Liberty didn't burn any shops or steal their goods. They didn't kill anyone. The tea they destroyed was owned by the British East India Company, under the control of the British Parliament. Its 5 member board of directors was dominated by the 3 members appointed by Parliament.

Carlos Ponce

You can't tell Bailey about History. He was there. But his memory is getting rusty.[wink]

Carlos Ponce

Peaceful marches show proper respect for George Floyd and his family. Rioting and looting do not. The former officer in question has been arrested. The other officers' actions are being scrutinized so that proper charges are filed. Over charging which winds up in acquittal is not good. That could lead to future problems.

Gary Miller

Carlos> You are correct as usual. Actually the violent rioters should also face justice for their illegal conduct.

Bailey Jones

I nice editorial in the Post by Houston's top cop this morning - https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/05/29/police-chief-i-see-minneapolis-crucial-test-our-profession-heres-how-we-can-avoid-failing/

"When cops’ bad actions do not reach the level of criminal offenses, it is no less important for police leadership to remove from the ranks any officers who violate their oaths to serve and protect. Other officers, too, must stand against corruption and abuse in their midst. Here, I am encouraged: While there have been eras in America’s history when police have found it difficult to speak up, for many years, officers have consistently been holding one another to account. Complaints about police misconduct overwhelmingly originate from within agencies, not from members of the community."

Carlos Ponce

The ex-officer in question had 18 previous infractions and yet he was still on the force. Bureaucracy kept him there?

Wayne D Holt

Since around 1982, court cases have increasingly favored qualified immunity for the police in their interactions with the public. This has made no difference to the overwhelming number of good officers that continue to Protect and Serve.

For the relative few like the one who killed Floyd, it has provided a sense of invincibility that they will avoid prosecution even for egregious acts.

I think we all know any citizen suffocating someone in broad daylight like this would result in immediate apprehension and charges. Too often, being tough on rogue police officers has been interpreted as being soft on crime. It isn't. Killing someone unlawfully should be a crime whether you are wearing a badge or not.

Police department leadership must put lawful actions above the very real demands of police recruiting needs. When someone with a record of unnecessary violence towards civilians is allowed to remain on the force, it breeds contempt for the public and contempt for the law.

This officer and those who stood by and watched as a man was murdered are a disgrace to the uniform and a terrible stain that all officers may have to bear as the reaction goes from righteous anger to blind destruction. It is a terrible injustice to Floyd, his family and to officers who would never countenance this kind of heinous action.

Bailey Jones

Well put.

Carlos Ponce

Minneapolis - Democrat run city in a Democrat run county in a Democrat run state. Who was the county attorney for Hennepin County where Minneapolis is located? Answer Amy Klobuchar where she was responsible for all criminal prosecution from her election in 1998 until 2006 when she was elected senator. Derek Chauvin started working as a Minneapolis police officer in 2001.

Terriel Fox

Jesus so what! I lived in Minnesota. It’s as redneck of a state as it comes. This isn’t right or left. This is all over the country. Rodney king was 30yrs ago. And it’s still happening. So take your politics Carlos put them where they belong in a trash heap

Carlos Ponce

"This isn’t right or left." It's LEFT.

jimmy winston

Good luck trying to get Carlos to avoid politics, he cant help himself. Especially when its not a partisan issue. I didnt know that the police murdering a man in broad daylight was because they live in a liberal city, thanks for clarifying

Carlos Ponce

Jimmy, Minneapolis is a Democrat city in a Democrat County in a Democrat State. The powers that be were all Liberal. If you cannot see that I cannot help you.

Carlos Ponce

"I didnt know that the police murdering a man in broad daylight was because they live in a liberal city," The killing wasn't partisan but the ensuing lack of action by persecutors was. To his credit, the police department did fire all 4 officers involved.

Gary Miller

Terriel> 30 years of Democrat promises to do something about it have accomplished nothing. Nothing will ever happen as long as the Democrat media covers for liberals.

Gary Miller

Violent riots in 75 cities 5-31-2020. Democrat controlled cities. Just more proof voting for a Democrat is a deadly mistake. Highest death rates from Covid 19 have been in blue cities, blue counties and blue states. Only 15 US states are liberal (blue) but they have more covid deaths than the 35 Conservative (RED) states. Voting for any Democrat supports funeral homes, grave diggers and casket builders. Democrat compassion is deadly.

Gary Scoggin

Carlos, Gary M -- I'm glad to see you got your OANN talking points this morning.

Carlos Ponce

What's OANN?

Jim Forsythe

Carlos, why are you using OANN? That a question only you can answer.

Gary Miller

Wayne> Well said! Justice for citizens harmed by violent rioters should be expected with little chance of occuring.

Bob Mitchell

I am so proud of my friends and neighbors on the island where I spent over half my life for the great display of brotherhood and peaceful protest demonstrated on Saturday. I am saddened, however, - as a former broadcast journalist of nearly fifty years - at the failure of MSM to report on this peaceful gathering. I switched back and forth between three of Houston's network stations - 2, 11 & 13 - during the 10 PM news block, and saw not a mention of our peaceful demonstration, albeit lots of coverage of the riots and looting elsewhere across the country. Perhaps I should have tuned in to FOX 26 news.

Carlos Ponce

If you still have connections, Bob, maybe you should inform them. My belief is the constant broadcast of the violent "protests" have increased the incidences far beyond Minneapolis.

Gary Miller

Bob> I too salute the peaceful demonstrations for Floyd. The proper use of our constitutional rights. Arson, looting and violence are as illegal as Floyds death and have no legitimate place in America. Violent looters and arsonists belong in same jail as cop that killed Floyd. The cop may or may not have intended killing Floyd but the violent rioters intend to violate the law.

Gary Miller

Bob> Did you really expect the Democrat media to mention people doing the right thing?

Jim Forsythe

What Trump says and does have consequences. He is the President of all the people of the USA and not just the ones he agrees with.

As Trump has not called for a meeting with the leaders of the movements, look for this to last longer than a few days. Instead of calming the groups, he has pushed different groups to continue until their voices are heard. This could escalate into another summer of 1968 or worse.

What words has Trump said to calm the USA.

"when the looting starts, the shooting starts" This was first used by Walter Headley and then George Wallace.

if the demonstration had escalated, "that’s when people would have been really badly hurt"—threatening to sick the "most vicious dogs" and turn the "most ominous weapons" against them.

"Tonight, I understand, is MAGA NIGHT AT THE WHITE HOUSE???" A move that many in response have pointed out could lead to escalated tensions.

In the past, he has said.

Trump told a group of four American congresswomen of color to “go back” to where they came from.

“Like when you guys put somebody in the car, and you’re protecting their head, you know, the way you put your hand over...I said, ‘You can take the hand away, O.K.?’”

Carlos Ponce

[yawn]

Carlos Ponce

"These THUGS are dishonoring the memory of George Floyd, and I won’t let that happen. Just spoke to Governor Tim Walz and told him that the Military is with him all the way. Any difficulty and we will assume control but, when the looting starts, the shooting starts. Thank you!

Looting leads to shooting, and that’s why a man was shot and killed in Minneapolis on Wednesday night - or look at what just happened in Louisville with 7 people shot. I don’t want this to happen, and that’s what the expression put out last night means...."

Let me put it simply for Jim: The looters will not stop with looting. Those individuals will then begin shooting as evidenced in Louisville . Trump was warning them about the eventuality of escalating violence unless the situation is controlled and offering Federal help if requested.

Once again, Jim puts his own Leftist interpretation - which doesn't fit all the narrative taking comments out of context.

Carlos Ponce

"Great job last night at the White House by the U.S. Secret Service. They were not only totally professional, but very cool. I was inside, watched every move, and couldn’t have felt more safe. They let the ‘protesters’ scream & rant as much as they wanted, but whenever someone got too frisky or out of line, they would quickly come down on them, hard – didn’t know what hit them. The front line was replaced with fresh agents, like magic. Big crowd, professionally organized, but nobody came close to breaching the fence. If they had, they would have been greeted with the most vicious dogs, and most ominous weapons, I have ever seen. That’s when people would have been really badly hurt, at least."

Those dogs are part of the Secret Service used in case someone climbs the fence.

Do you remember when Dominic Adesanyya jumped the White House fence and was bitten by one of those dogs.... BACK IN 2014 during the Obama administration?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/secret-service-guard-dogs-are-in-spotlight-after-latest-white-house-fence-jumping/2014/10/23/81ece3f4-5ac3-11e4-b812-38518ae74c67_story.html

The dogs are well trained and will bite. "The Secret Service has 75 canines in all. Each dog costs $4,500, according to In the President's Secret Service, a 2010 book by journalist Ronald Kessler."

Trump was just warning them about what could happen if someone approached the White House uninvited. Was Jim concerned when Dominic Adesanyya was bitten by one of Obama's Secret Service dogs?????

Carlos Ponce

"The professionally managed so-called 'protesters' at the White House had little to do with the memory of George Floyd. They were just there to cause trouble. The @SecretService handled them easily. Tonight, I understand, is MAGA NIGHT AT THE WHITE HOUSE???" That will escalate tensions? Only a demented mind will think so.

EVERY NIGHT is MAGA NIGHT at the White House, Jim! If you don't want to Make America Great Again, then you're not invited. Capiche?

Terriel Fox

Thats a joke along with dumb Donnie he has only disgraced this great country of ours. While cadet bone spurs was grabbing women in bars in New York in 1968 I volunteered for the draft and Vietnam. Abandoned our allies the kurds to be killed and kicked off their lands in Syria. Whats wrong with you people. He is currupt and inept. How about MAAA! MAKE AMERICA AMERICA AGAIN!

Carlos Ponce

"dumb Donnie"???? Oh yes, you're a Leftie. The bone spurs were diagnosed by a medical doctor. You don't have "Dr." next to your name so I surmise you are not one. "Grabbed women in bars" - Investigated and dropped.

" Abandoned our allies " No, he did not. Just ask the Kurds.

Terriel, you're just repeating Leftist propaganda.

I feel sorry for you Lefties. After something happens you have to turn to Leftest media (CNN, MSNBC, NYT WAPO, rtc) to tell you what to think.

Jim Forsythe

The USA is dealing with two groups. One is legal protesters and the others are not.

When Trump makes a statement like, when the looting starts, the shooting starts, it does not give reassurance to the peaceful demonstrators. This is a phrase that has a bad history and a president should not be using it.

I'm going to turn the dogs loose on you is not saying, this sit down and talk about why this is happing, to the peaceful group.

This is not just about George Floyd, but other things that have happened in the past.

Until Trump addresses the problems with the peaceful protestors, this will continue.

Carlos Ponce

"When Trump makes a statement like, when the looting starts..." Peaceful protesters don't loot, Jim! They're thugs!

Trained Secret Service dogs have been at the White House for years before Trump took office. Just giving those "bad hombres" a warning.

"I'm going to turn the dogs loose on you ...." He NEVER SAID THAT! Please read what was actually said. Jim is making things up!

"Until Trump addresses the problems with the peaceful protestors..." There's no problem with the peaceful protestors, Jim. In fact Trump supports peaceful protests. It's the rioting, looting and shooting he has troubles with.

“This is the sacred right of all Americans that I am totally determined to defend and will defend. My administration will always stand against violence, mayhem and disorder. We will stand with the family of George Floyd, with the peaceful protesters and with every law-abiding citizen who wants decency, civility, safety and security.” Remarks made by President Trump at the Kennedy Space Center last Saturday.

Full remarks at:

https://www.cnsnews.com/article/washington/cnsnewscom-staff/president-trump-we-will-stand-family-george-floyd

Wayne D Holt

I don't think there is any doubt the Marxist Antifa is heavily involved in promoting violence nationwide. In Philadelphia, local minorities shut down the out of towners (mostly white Marxists) who were urging more destruction. Now THAT is what needs to be done by everyone in this mess.

Meanwhile there are credible reports of pallets of bricks being delivered to multiple locations where peaceful protests are planned. This is part of a pattern of organization that is anything but mob inspired mayhem. There are extreme left and extreme right agendas at play and those who promote them don't care one bit who is hurt, killed or what property is destroyed in the process of making them active.

If good Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Greens and every other political faction REALLY want to see the unseen controllers worried, blacks and whites and Latinos and Asians should start working together to fix a system that rewards outright theft by the .01% with even more fabulous riches. Team up with police departments eager to shed the stigma of the bottom feeders like the Minneapolis cops at this murder and start using the power of goodwill from the vast majority of Americans to bring down those who have us convinced the origin of the problem lies in the color of someone's skin or if they wear blue. The problem that needs to be solved is at a much higher level than that. Once a sufficient number figure that out, it is going to be a whole new ballgame...and one we'll want to be a part of.

Carlos Ponce

In 2018 the Capital Research Center wrote "Determining who funds Antifa is difficult because the movement is highly decentralized and consists of private individuals and loosely affiliated groups."

"Nonetheless, the left-wing billionaire George Soros has ties to Antifa through a group called the Alliance for Global Justice (AfGJ). Soros’s philanthropy, known at the time as the Open Society Institute, gave $100,000 to AfGJ ($50,000 in 2004 and $50,000 in 2006)."

"Acting as a fiscal sponsor, AfGJ gave $50,000 to Refuse Fascism, an unincorporated Antifa group."

https://capitalresearch.org/article/origins-of-antifa/

Jim Forsythe

George Soros has ties to Trump.

In 2004, George Soros made a $160 million loan to Donald Trump to build Trump Tower in Chicago.

The $160 million Soros investment came in the form of a so-called "mezzanine loan." (A mezzanine loan is like a second mortgage that charges a higher interest rate than the initial construction loan.)

In 2008, Trump and Soros found themselves named co-defendants in a major lawsuit together…

The case involved real estate investment behemoth Leslie Dick Worldwide Ltd., which filed a RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organization) lawsuit against 17 parties, including Trump and Soros. Leslie Dick accused Soros, Trump, and Deutsche Bank AG, among others, of having concocted a scheme to win the 2003 auction for the General Motors Building in downtown Manhattan.

in 2009 – on Christmas Eve Trump attended a private party with Soros and infamously liberal Hollywood director Oliver Stone.

If you want to believe all the conspiracy theories, add this one to your portfolio.

Also, Trump has been linked to the Illuminati, Bilderberg, and the Rothschilds.

What does all this mean, about as much as the other Soros ties.

Carlos Ponce

Jim had to go back over a decade to find those.[yawn][yawn][yawn][sleeping]

Jim Forsythe

And yet they are true. Some of my posts were after your post date . "as the Open Society Institute gave $100,000 to AfGJ ($50,000 in 2004 and $50,000 in 2006)". So what is your point?

Trump may still be doing business with Soros.

Carlos Ponce

"And yet they are true..." Come on Jim, If invited to a private Christmas Eve Party are you responsible for who else was invited? You're really grasping on that one.

The $160 million loan was made with Fortress Investment Group LLC. Partnering with Fortress was Grove Capital LLP, a firm that manages most of the multibillion-dollar real estate portfolio of the $13 billion Soros Fund Management among others. So was Soros directly involved with Trump? No.

Let me make it simple for Jim Forsythe. The Soros Fund Management is handled by Grove Capital LLP. Grove Capital LLP in union with Fortress Investment Group LLC added $160 million to The Trump Organization to build the Chicago skyscraper along with $650 million from Deutche Bank. Source: ChicagoTribune.com. Was George Soros aware that his portfolio was involved in constructing a Trump construction? Chances are neither knew the other's involvement. Another S-T-R-E-T-C-H by Jim Forsythe.

Grasping at straws again, Jim?

Terriel Fox

God conspiracy theories. First if you hear the name George soros you know its another Facebook conspiracy theories fake post from trolls and your right wing crazies. You watch your congress blatantly lie on tv coverup for trump. 103,000 dead and climbing. And trump on tv lying. Money before people that is not right or Christian.

Carlos Ponce

Teriel, you're just repeating Leftist propaganda again.

Jim Forsythe

Terrel, it true unless it involves the Karen-in-Chief. Once his name is invoked, then it not true about Soros.

You do know that Soros is the mother of all dog whistles: a conspiracy theories about George Soros is a favorite bogeyman among white nationalists and neo-Nazis.

"Forget Soros. Leave him alone. He's got enough problems. What about Soros, let's talk about somebody else, sweetheart,” Trump said.

“In December 2001, the New York Post mentioned a private party hosted by Roubini (Dr. Doom) and Oliver Stone, George Soros, and Donald Trump”. “Roubini, George Soros, Donald Trump, that's interesting company for a conservative candidate.”

Once a leader threatens violence, they have lost the chance to calm the problem before it escalates to an uncontrolled level. Threatening dogs, guns, military only ensures that more violence will happen.

Carlos Ponce

Jim, according to the New York Post the party was hosted by Nouriel Roubini. Trump cannot control who else Nouriel Roubini invited.

Jim Forsythe

He knew that Nouriel Roubini would be inviting people like both of them. If he did not like whom Roubini had invited he would have left.

But he would have lost another chance to be with Soros.

"Forget Soros. Leave him alone. He's got enough problems. What about Soros, let's talk about somebody else, sweetheart,” Trump said.

Carlos Ponce

So Jim would have asked for a guest list.[whistling]

Jim Forsythe

Since Trump knew his host, he knew what type of people would have attended.

I have know who was on the guestlist for parties before I have attended. If Trump did not like who was attending, he could have left.

"Forget Soros. Leave him alone. He's got enough problems. What about Soros, let's talk about somebody else, sweetheart,” Trump said.

“We are leaderless right now and anarchy is winning. Where are our leaders? Are you all just going to abandon us and our country? COWARDS! All of you!!!” she tweeted, adding: “But most especially the President and every member of his team who continues to condone his utter COWARDICE!!!”

---Meghan McCain.

"Inciting violence with Twitter is not the way to go about it," Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan says

The President of the United States in moments of crisis is supposed to stand apart from the rest of us. Think about George W. Bush in that first week following the 9/11 attacks.

“Americans watching this address tonight have seen the recent images of violence in our streets and the chaos in our communities. Many have witnessed this violence personally, some have even been its victims.

I have a message for all of you: the crime and violence that today afflicts our nation will soon – and I mean very soon – come to an end.” Trump, July 2016

Once a leader threatens violence, they have lost the chance to calm the problem before it escalates to an uncontrolled level. Threatening dogs, guns, military only ensures that more violence will happen.

Bailey Jones

And as the conspiracy theories and partisan blame games spiral toward their predictable whimpering impotent ends, the reason for this season of unrest is lost once again. Well played.

Ted Gillis

I heard a woman comment this morning on a news program. She said that “if you have 10 good cops and 1 bad cop, and the 10 cops know the that the 1 cop is bad, then you have 11 bad cops.”

Ted Gillis

And speaking of guest lists, Donald Trump is well aware of who is on one a guest list or not. These types of upper social gatherings are big deals for these people.

Being seen at the right party with the right people is part of that culture. You’re darn right he knows who’s invited to what party.

Carlos Ponce

"Donald Trump is well aware of who is on one a guest list or not." As president, the Secret Service knows. But back in 2001.......

Jim Forsythe

This is what a leader does. Finds out what the problem is and helps solve it.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/tunedin/sheriff-who-marched-with-protesters-it-was-time-to-take-the-helmet-off/vi-BB14Sydf?ocid=spartandhp

Carlos Ponce

This is what a leader does. Genesee County Sheriff Chris Swanson, no mask, not maintaining social distancing, giving high fives (ungloved hand) to those along the protest route.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/05/31/genesee-county-sheriff-christopher-swanson-george-floyd-protesters/5299589002/

The lady pictured receiving the high five has a mask but it's pulled down.

Jim Forsythe

If you are concerned about masks, ask Trump if he needs one. Trump is not going to come from behind his podiums.

Response from a leader.

"Police leadership needs to take action on breaking down the first barrier," he said. "Police leadership, if they're not doing it already, come from behind your podiums, come from outside the conference rooms and the incident command centers, talk to the people. That is the difference. People that have something to say when nobody listens continues to be enraged and we are not going to fix the divide overnight, but you can see what happened instantaneously."

Trump's response so far has been guns, dogs, and troops that he wants them to shoot if they loot. How many bodies will be enough? Probably he will enact the Insurrection Act.

Maybe Trump could take time and listen to community leaders.

Biden first spent time listening to community leaders at Bethel AME Church in Wilmington before addressing leaders and attendees.

Houston Police Chief Art Acevedo announced that he will be marching with the protesters Tuesday.

Carlos Ponce

I'm not concerned about masks but Jim pointed out a leader - one who wears NO mask, DOES NOT maintain social distancing and is giving high fives BARE HANDED. That man is Jim's idea of a LEADER!

"Trump's response so far has been guns, dogs, and troops" Jim, that's (guns and dogs) the Secret Service's standard response and has been for longer than he's been president. The president's offer of troops ONLY IF the governor requests them.

Jim Forsythe

I see you are not keeping up with the news.

Carlos Ponce

I see Jim has not kept up with history.

Jim Forsythe

Trump wears no mask and you are upset with a police chief deescalating a possible problem.

Has Trump interacted with people the way the man has?

For some reason, you do not see the amount of good this chief has done.

Trump has called for more troops to use more force against the citizens of the USA.

Any chance of deescalating this has disappeared.

Trump now owns what happens next.

Carlos Ponce

Just pointing out that Jim says a man with no mask is a leader. Since Trump also wears no mask looks like Jim must consider him a leader too.

Trump has interacted with people like portrayed but of late the Secret Service won't let him.

Jim Forsythe

One man, the police chief risks his health to talk to people to defuse the situation.

Trump just forced troops to fire gas to clear trumps way to a burned-out church.

What Trump just did was to make a bad situation, worse.

Carlos Ponce

"Trump just forced troops to fire gas to clear trumps way to a burned-out church." No gas, Jim. He walked to a boarded up St John's Episcopal Church with Bible in hand.

"What Trump just did was to make a bad situation, worse." No, Jim, he did not.

Bailey Jones

Jim, I wonder what the Bishop of the diocese that runs the church has to say about it?

Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde - "Let me be clear, the President just used a Bible - the most sacred text of the Judeo-Christian tradition, and one of the churches of my diocese, without permission, as a backdrop for a message antithetical to the teachings of Jesus and everything that our churches stand for. And to do so he sanctioned the use of tear gas by police officers in riot gear to clear the church yard. I am outraged. The President did not pray when he came to St Johns nor did he acknowledge the agony of our country right now and in particular that of the people of color in our nation who wonder if anyone in public power will ever acknowledge their sacred worth and who are rightfully demanding an end to 400 years of systemic racism and white supremacy in our country and I just want the world to know that we in the Diocese of Washington, following Jesus and his way of love do not - we distance ourselves from the incendiary language of this president. We follow someone who lived a life of non-violence and sacrificial love, we align ourselves with those seeking justice for the death of George Floyd and countless others through the sacred act of peaceful protest, and I - I just can't believe what my eyes have seen tonight."

Carlos Ponce

Rev. Robert Fisher, the rector of St. John's Episcopal Church had no problem with Trump's visit. He described it as "surreal".

Question: Why do Democrats have a problem with a president walking to a church with a Bible in hand?

Jim Forsythe

Bailey, I wonder if Trump still thinks the photo- op was worth it?

President Donald Trump clutched a Bible and posed for photos in front of a church near the White House on Monday after ordering that protesters be cleared from the area with tear gas and rubber bullets.

The Episcopal bishop of Washington, D.C., who oversees St. John’s, said that she was “outraged” that neither she nor the church’s rector was informed, “that they would be clearing with tear gas so they could use one of our churches as a prop, holding a Bible, one that declares that God is love, and when everything he has said and done is to inflame violence.”

"In no way do we support the President's incendiary response to a wounded, grieving nation, Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde ".

Carlos Ponce

Tear gas was not used, Jim. They used flash bangs but the Leftist media used the term "tear gas" because of its propaganda impact. But think about it. Would they actually use tear gas in an are near the White House where the President was having an outdoor press conference? Only the idiots believe that nonsense.

Bailey Jones

A former St. John's minister, Gini Gerbasi, was among those attending to the protesters in front of the church when the police moved in. In her Facebook post she says:

"We were literally DRIVEN OFF of the St. John's Lafayette Square patio with tear gas and concussion grenades and police in full riot gear. PEOPLE WERE HURT SO THAT HE COULD HAVE A PHOTO OPPORTUNITY IN FRONT OF THE CHURCH!!! HE WOULD HAVE HAD TO STEP OVER THE MEDICAL SUPPLIES WE LEFT BEHIND BECAUSE WE WERE BEING TEAR GASSED!!!!"

I'm sure Carlos will no tel us that she's lying as part of some left wing conspiracy. But she's not the only witness. If you were watching TV at the moment you would have seen the tear gas.

Not that it matters whether it was tear gas, flash bombs or flame throwers. What matters is that your president deprived American citizens of their constitutional right to peacefully protest so he could stand in front of a prop church with a prop Bible and get his photo taken.

Carlos Ponce

"I'm sure Carlos will no tel us that she's lying" stretching the truth, Bailey, stretching the truth.

"HE WOULD HAVE HAD TO STEP OVER THE MEDICAL SUPPLIES WE LEFT BEHIND" The video shows NO medical supplies to step over, nor does it show the Secret Service removing said supplies. Chances are one of her own took them. Gini is confused.

By the way, Gini Gerbassi is a rector of St. John's in GEORGETOWN, not Lafayette Square in DC.

Bailey Jones

Yes, Carlos - her church is 2 miles away. Not that it matters. What matters is that your president deprived American citizens of their constitutional right to peacefully protest so he could stand in front of a prop church with a prop Bible and get his photo taken. Please address the issue - I think we could all use some amusement on this trying day.

Carlos Ponce

There was a curfew at the time, Bailey. They refused to move.

Gary Scoggin

Here Carlos, I googled the answer to Bailey's challenge for you. Tucker's comments. He seems to do your thinking for you anyway. So let's get the FoxNews/White House talking point out of the way.

"Immediately after that address, the president walked over to St. John's, which, we just told you, was burning fewer than 24 hours ago, and that provided a powerful symbolic gesture. It was a declaration that this country -- our national symbols, our oldest institutions -- will not be desecrated and defeated by nihilistic destruction. We fervently hope this all works."

Now, please explain why it was necessary to move peaceful protestors out of the way for a photo op. And, for extra credit, can you explain the difference between a protester and a looter?

Gary Scoggin

Carlos -- all of this happened prior to the curfew being in effect. But then again, facts don't matter in your defense of the President.

Carlos Ponce

"Now, please explain why it was necessary to move peaceful protestors out of the way for a photo op." You answered your question - CURFEW. The riot police made a decision to clear the area just minutes prior to the actual curfew to catch them unprepared probably.

Bailey Jones

Carlos - WHY do you keep lying for this man? The curfew was for 7 PM. The street clearing began before the curfew - when it was still LEGAL for PEACEFUL AMERICANS TO ASSEMBLE and protest. The president's speech started at 6:43 PM - well after the police had cleared the streets. Don't believe me? Check the time stamp: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/statement-by-the-president-39/

Carlos Ponce

The riot police made a decision to clear the area just minutes prior to the actual curfew to catch them unprepared probably.

The riot police made a decision to clear the area just minutes prior to the actual curfew to catch them unprepared probably.

The riot police made a decision to clear the area just minutes prior to the actual curfew to catch them unprepared probably.

The riot police made a decision to clear the area just minutes prior to the actual curfew to catch them unprepared probably.

SHOULD I PUT IT IN CAPS, BAILEY?

Gary Scoggin

Carlos and the President share the same key attribute: If the facts are inconvenient, they just make up their own. If that doesn't work they just accuse someone of being "leftist" or "liberal" when it's clear they don't really understand what those terms mean. (To them, it just means someone disagrees with them.) When Carlos does it, it's funny. When the President does it, it's soul-drenching.

Bailey Jones

"The riot police made a decision to clear the area just minutes prior to the actual curfew to catch them unprepared probably." To catch them unprepared doing WHAT? Exercising their constitutional rights?

Bailey Jones

Jim, apparently this president felt so punked by having spent the previous night cowering in his bunker with the lights turned off that he ordered police to use tear gas to clear a peaceful protest in Lafayette Square so he could stick his head out for a photo op. While, of course, stating that he sided with all peaceful protesters. (And yes, it was tear gas - multiple eye witnesses have said so.)

Let's set the Way Back Machine to 1970. Picture the scene: The Ohio National Guard - in a very Trumpian attempt to "dominate" protesters at Kent State - has just massacred 4 unarmed students and wounded 9 more, and the nation is absolutely reeling. Student protesters descend on the National Mall in Washington DC. The White House is fortified with two rings of city buses parked bumper to bumper, with members of the 82nd Airborne stationed in the adjacent Executive Office Building.

It's 4:35 AM. Richard M. Nixon - yes, that Richard M. Nixon - can't sleep. He looks out his window at the National Mall and sees it full of protesters. He grabs his valet and driver, hops into his limousine and drives to the Lincoln Memorial. He gets out and spends an hour talking with the protesters, face to face.

"I know that probably most of you think I’m an S.O.B., but I want you to know that I understand just how you feel."

And that's how the worst president of the modern era showed the nation that he was a better leader than Donald Trump.

Carlos Ponce

"he ordered police to use tear gas to clear a peaceful protest in Lafayette Square " I have to call BS on this one, Bailey. Tear gas was used blocks away from the White House but "flash bangs" were used around Lafayette Square Park. And Trump would not have ordered it. The call of use of flash bangs was made by the officer in charge.

Common sense tells you that during an outdoor news conference tear gas would not be used but you'd rather accept the false narrative than use your head. Have you ever been around tear gas? It lingers unless there is a strong gust of wind to take it away. Secret Service will not allow it near the President or press.

"(And yes, it was tear gas - multiple eye witnesses have said so.)" The video does not show that it was used around Lafayette Square Park but used down the road away from the White House. The video shows officers using flash bangs when members of the group refused to move.

Bailey Jones

Who cares, Carlos? Why are you obsessing and deflecting with this bit of fluff? The people who were there on the ground said it was tear gas. I believe them. You yourself just admitted that tear gas was used against the protesters - but "down the road". Whether it was at the white house or blocks away is completely irrelevant. It was the same protest, the same protesters, the same police and the same presidential orders. All that matters here is the outrageous performance of your president. He is a disgrace to the office.

Jim Forsythe

Carlos, people that were at the scene disagree with you. Are you saying the Bishop is not telling the truth? Trump sanctioned the use of tear gas by police officers according to the Episcopal Bishop. All this so Trump can have a photo-op with a bible held with it's back facing the camera and also to prove he is not still in a bunker. The President did not pray when he came to St. John’s but used it only for a backdrop for a photo-op!

"The President just used a Bible and one of the churches of my diocese as a backdrop for a message antithetical to the teachings of Jesus and everything that our church stands for," Mariann Budde, Episcopal Bishop of the Diocese of Washington, said. "To do so, he sanctioned the use of tear gas by police officers in riot gear to clear the churchyard. I am outraged. The President did not pray when he came to St. John’s; nor did he acknowledge the agony and sacred worth of people of color in our nation who rightfully demand an end to 400 years of systemic racism and white supremacy in our country."

Nathan Baca ✔@NathanBacaTV

We were tear-gassed, moved with flash-bangs and horses. This is what happened outside White House 20 minutes before the 7 PM curfew when federal police cleared the area for @realDonaldTrump’s visit to the church across the street.

Carlos Ponce

"Trump sanctioned the use of tear gas by police officers according to the Episcopal Bishop." No. She would not be in a position to know who sanctioned the use of flash grenades at Lafayette Park nor tear gas away from the area. She is speculating, actually guessing.

Jim Forsythe

Carlos, are you saying an Episcopal Bishop is lying?

And Greg Brewer, bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Central Florida, tweeted that he was "shaken watching protestors in Lafayette Park gassed and cleared so that the President of the United States can do a photo op in front of St. John's Episcopal Church holding a Bible."

"This is blasphemy in real-time," Brewer said on Twitter.

Carlos Ponce

She's doctoring up her story.

Jim Forsythe

First-hand report.

Friends, I am ok, but I am, frankly shaken. I was at St. John's, Lafayette Square most of the afternoon, with fellow clergy and laypeople - and clergy from some other denominations too. We were passing out water and snacks, and helping the patio area at St. John's, Lafayette square to be a place of respite and peace. All was well - with a few little tense moments - until about 6:15 or so. By then, I had connected with the Black Lives Matter medic team, which was headed by an EMT. Those people were AMAZING. They had been on the patio all day, and thankfully had not had to use much of the eyewash they had made. Around 6:15 or 6:30, the police started really pushing protestors off of H Street (the street between the church and Lafayette Park, and ultimately, the White House. They started using tear gas and folks were running at us for eyewashes or water or wet paper towels. At this point, Julia, one of our seminarians for next year (who is a trauma nurse) and I looked at each other in disbelief. I was coughing, her eyes were watering, and we were trying to help people as the police - in full riot gear - drove people toward us. Julia and her classmates left and I stayed with the BLM folks trying to help people. Suddenly, around 6:30, there was more tear gas, more concussion grenades, and I think I saw someone hit by a rubber bullet - he was grasping his stomach and there was a mark on his shirt. The police in their riot gear were literally walking onto the St. John's, Lafayette Square patio with these metal shields, pushing people off the patio and driving them back. People were running at us as the police advanced toward us from the other side of the patio. We had to try to pick up what we could. The BLM medic folks were obviously well-practiced. They picked up boxes and ran. I was so stunned I only got a few water bottles and my spray bottle of eyewash. We were literally DRIVEN OFF of the St. John's, Lafayette Square patio with tear gas and concussion grenades and police in full riot gear. We were pushed back 20 feet, and then eventually - with SO MANY concussion grenades - back to K street. By the time I got back to my car, around 7, I was getting texts from people saying that Trump was outside of St. John's, Lafayette Square. I literally COULD NOT believe it. WE WERE DRIVEN OFF OF THE PATIO AT ST. JOHN'S - a place of peace and respite and medical care throughout the day - SO THAT MAN COULD HAVE A PHOTO OPPORTUNITY IN FRONT OF THE CHURCH!!! PEOPLE WERE HURT SO THAT HE COULD POSE IN FRONT OF THE CHURCH WITH A BIBLE! HE WOULD HAVE HAD TO STEP OVER THE MEDICAL SUPPLIES WE LEFT BEHIND BECAUSE WE WERE BEING TEAR GASSED!!!!

Jim Forsythe

I am deeply shaken. I did not see any protestors throw anything until the tear gas and concussion grenades started, and then it was mostly water bottles. I am shaken, not so much by the taste of tear gas and the bit of a cough I still have, but by the fact that that show of force was for a PHOTO OPPORTUNITY. The patio of St. John's, Lafayette square had been HOLY GROUND today. A place of respite and laughter and water and granola bars and fruit snacks. But that man turned it into a BATTLEGROUND first, and a cheap political stunt second. I am DEEPLY OFFENDED on behalf of every protestor, every Christian, the people of St. John's, Lafayette square, every decent person there, and the BLM medics who stayed with just a single box of supplies and a backpack, even when I got too scared and had to leave. I am ok. But I am now a force to be reckoned with.

Bailey Jones

Why can't this jerk just stay in his basement bunker for a few days and give us all a break?

https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2020/06/02/washington-archbishop-wilton-gregory-calls-trumps-visit-john-paul-ii

Here is thestatement from Washington Archbishop Wilton D. Gregory regarding the visit today from the president at the Saint John Paul II National Shrine:

"I find it baffling and reprehensible that any Catholic facility would allow itself to be so egregiously misused and manipulated in a fashion that violates our religious principles, which call us to defend the rights of all people even those with whom we might disagree. Saint Pope John Paul II was an ardent defender of the rights and dignity of human beings. His legacy bears vivid witness to that truth. He certainly would not condone the use of tear gas and other deterrents to silence, scatter or intimidate them for a photo opportunity in front of a place of worship and peace."

Carlos Ponce

They have soda jerks in the bunker? They're prepared!

Carlos Ponce

Washington Archbishop Wilton D. Gregory doesn't speak for the Catholic Church nor all Catholics.

Bailey Jones

Yes Carlos. The Catholic Church certainly would "condone the use of tear gas and other deterrents to silence, scatter or intimidate protesters for a photo opportunity in front of a place of worship and peace." That's what you've been saying all along, isn't it?

Carlos Ponce

The Catholic Church asks us to obey civil laws.

Catechism 1899 The authority required by the moral order derives from God: "Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment."

1900 The duty of obedience requires all to give due honor to authority and to treat those who are charged to exercise it with respect, and, insofar as it is deserved, with gratitude and good-will.

When asked to move on, we would do so. So no need for authority to act.

Bailey Jones

Yes Carlos. We all know there is no 1st Amendment right to protest in the Catholic Church.

Carlos Ponce

One can protest and still follow civil authorities, Bailey.

Bailey Jones

"One can protest and still follow civil authorities, Bailey." You mean like all of those good Americans were doing at 6:36 PM when Trump deprived them of their legal and constitutional rights?

Carlos Ponce

He only offered hope that someone would be there to protect them.

Carlos Ponce

"U.S. Park Police reportedly say protesters near the White House were pushed back by riot police on Monday evening because they were attacking police officers, not because of a visit by President Trump to a nearby church that had been set alight the night before."

"A source says tear gas was never used — instead smoke cannisters were deployed, which don’t have an uncomfortable irritant in them. And, the source says Park Police didn’t know President Trump would be walking across the park several minutes later."

"The outlet went on to report that the crowd was pushed back when officers were being hit with water bottles and that protesters had climbed onto the top of a structure at the north end of Lafayette Square that had been attacked and burned a day earlier.”

https://nypost.com/2020/06/02/park-police-say-protesters-near-trump-speech-were-cleared-for-attacks-on-cops/

So according to US Park Police:

The protestors were not peaceful.

No tear gas was used at Lafayette Park.

They did not know Trump was walking to the church.

Ted Gillis

Bailey, you are free to use the word jerk all you want to, now that it has come out that Trump used the word in the call yesterday to the governor’s. He told them that if they don’t show force against the protesters and dominate, they will look like jerks!

Carlos Ponce

Soda jerks come in handy!

Bailey Jones

Well, I won't use it again. I like to think that my vocabulary exceeds Trump's 5th grade level. Ignoramus, cretin, imbecile, dullard, moron, simpleton, clod - all equally applicable to the Worst President Ever.

Ted Gillis

And don’t worry, Trump hasn’t read that bible yet, as he’s been waiting on Barr to do all of the necessary redactions first.

Carlos Ponce

Ted, Trump has read the Bible.

Bailey Jones

Well, we know at least he's read Two Corinthians, RFLOL.

Worst President Ever.

Gary Scoggin

Two Corinthians walk into a bar.....

Carlos Ponce

I've known people who have called it Two Corinthians. Why poke fun?

Bailey Jones

"I've known people who have called it Two Corinthians. Why poke fun?" Because he's a pompous semi-literate moron, Carlos. Duh. (Actually, "moron" isn't the right word, but I strive to be political correct.)

Carlos Ponce

No Bailey, he is not. But to your dying breath that's your story and you are sticking to it.

Gary Scoggin

The whole thing? He has an aversion to reading even short national security briefs. But you think he’s read the Bible? How do you know? Or is this just another deflection of yours?

Carlos Ponce

Date Released: 2020-06-02 Statement from United States Park Police acting Chief Gregory T. Monahan about the actions taken over the weekend to protect life and property:

The United States Park Police (USPP) is committed to the peaceful expression of First Amendment rights. However, this past weekend’s demonstrations at Lafayette Park and across the National Mall included activities that were not part of a peaceful protest, which resulted in injuries to USPP officers in the line of duty, the destruction of public property and the defacing of memorials and monuments. During four days of demonstrations, 51 members of the USPP were injured; of those, 11 were transported to the hospital and released and three were admitted.

https://www.nps.gov/subjects/uspp/press-releases.htm

Jim Forsythe

Sen. Tim Scott said Tuesday that protesters in Lafayette Square should not have been cleared with tear gas and rubber bullets to accommodate President Donald Trump's visit to a historic church, a rebuke of the president by the only black Republican in the Senate.

Scott (R-S.C.) said he did not think Trump’s visit to St. John's Episcopal Church — the "church of the presidents" — was helpful and it was not something he would have done.

Defense Secretary Mark Esper and Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley were walking with President Trump when he posed for a photo-op in front of the historic St. John's Church in Washington, D.C., on Monday, shortly after police dispersed peaceful protesters in the surrounding area with tear gas and flash grenades. Now, a senior defense official claims Esper and Milley weren't aware police had cleared the area prior to Trump's arrival.

Moreover, the official said Esper and Milley didn't know Trump was going to get his picture taken in front of the church; they thought they were headed outside the White House "to review efforts to quell the protests" against police brutality.

Despite Trump threatening to call in the military to supplement city police across the country, the defense official said the Pentagon isn't keen on deploying any troops, and that Esper referring to demonstration sites as a "battlespace" was merely jargon used to discuss the situation.

Bailey Jones

From Politico:

Washington Mayor Muriel Bowser revealed officials within her office were “very shocked and, quite frankly, outraged” by the aggressive dispersal of crowds demonstrating outside the White House on Monday evening, facilitated by police officers and National Guard troops firing rubber bullets and deploying flash-bang grenades.

The mayor insisted no officers with the Metropolitan Police Department were involved in the effort to force protesters from Lafayette Square and the surrounding area. The park was cleared nearly an hour before Washington’s 7 p.m. curfew was to go into effect in order to open a path for Trump, top White House aides and senior administration officials to venture across the street to historic St. John’s Episcopal Church.

“At no time did we think it was appropriate that people who had not violated the curfew or anything else receive that treatment,” Bowser told CNN, saying she could not comment on “what made the federal authorities think it was appropriate to clear the way for that purpose.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/02/trump-protests-military-force-296368

Carlos Ponce

"The park was cleared nearly an hour before Washington’s 7 p.m." Try 20 minutes. Why? They (the alleged "peaceful" protesters) weren't being peaceful.

Bailey Jones

I'll ask again. Why do you keep lying for this man?.

Carlos Ponce

I'll ask Bailey, why do you keep up the lies about Trump? The US Park Police confirm everything I saw on the video. And there's quite a bit of it out there.

NO TEAR GAS

NO KNOWLEDGE THE PRESIDENT WOULD WALK TO THE CHURCH

PROTESTERS WERE NO PEACEFUL

Carlos Ponce

In addition, WTOP reporter Neal Augenstein reports smoke but no tear gas at Lafayette Park.

Bailey Jones

"Attorney General William P. Barr personally ordered law enforcement officials on the ground to clear the streets around Lafayette Square just before President Trump spoke Monday, a Justice Department official said, a directive that prompted a show of aggression against a crowd of largely peaceful protesters, drawing widespread condemnation."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/barr-personally-ordered-removal-of-protesters-near-white-house-leading-to-use-of-force-against-largely-peaceful-crowd/2020/06/02/0ca2417c-a4d5-11ea-b473-04905b1af82b_story.html

"Throughout Tuesday, several federal agencies involved in the response declined to answer questions about who ordered the use of force and the clearing of the park, which occurred just before Trump’s visit to the park.

A White House spokesman declined to comment on who gave the order, referring questions to law enforcement agencies.

The Secret Service declined to comment.

A spokesman for the U.S. Park Police said the agency would have a statement but did not provide one as of Tuesday afternoon.

Defense officials on Tuesday said the National Guard did not participate in the decision to clear Lafayette Square on Monday evening and did not take part in firing any rubber bullets or gas.

D.C. city officials said they were not involved in the decision to use force, which Mayor Muriel E. Bowser (D) called “shameful.”

Carlos Ponce

FAKE NEWS. The US Park Police say it is FAKE.

Bailey Jones

The protesters were peaceful until the park police began erecting an 8 foot high steel fence to lock them out of the park. "The US Park Police on Tuesday said they cleared protesters from in front of the White House on Monday because they were attacked while attempting to install a new fence."

The purpose of the fencing was to wall off the park so the Worst President Ever could put on his little dog and pony show. Protesters were expelled from the park - before the curfew - so the park service could erect the fence.

"Officers did however use smoke canisters and pepper balls, which induce a stinging effect similar to pepper spray, he said. Moments later on 16th St directly north of the White House, there were loud bangs that appeared to be from police flash-bang grenades." So, pepper spray, not tear gas. I accept that.

"The dispersal of activists began Monday shortly before DC Mayor Muriel Bowser’s new 7 pm curfew. Approximately 1,000 people remained at the intersection of H St and 16th St facing the White House when Park Police in riot gear advanced toward the barricades along a sidewalk and gave orders inaudible to most members of the crowd. At the same time, officers on horseback and on foot advanced on the intersection from the east on H St. The officers then charged. Some journalists were injured in the melee and at least one police device emitted a cloud of smoke at the intersection."

"On Tuesday, ABC News and the Washington Post reported that Attorney General Bill Barr personally ordered that the intersection be cleared after surveying the site and expressing his concern about the lack of progress on establishing a new perimeter. A Justice Department spokeswoman did not respond to The Post’s request for comment."

I wonder why.

I can't find any on the scene news org that corroborates the park police's version. If there's video showing protesters being violent before the clearing began, I'd love to see it.

Carlos Ponce

So erecting a fence around the White House perimeter gave the protesters permission to start acting non-peaceful?

And thank you for now believing what I've been saying all day: NO TEAR GAS.

Bailey Jones

I can't find any on the scene news org that corroborates the park police's version. If there's video showing protesters being violent before the clearing began, I'd love to see it.

Carlos Ponce

Keep looking. There's plenty. Being familiar with the area will help.

Joe Mancuso

Hey, Bailey, did you know that the CDC considers pepper spray a form of "tear gas"?

https://emergency.cdc.gov/agent/riotcontrol/factsheet.asp

Bailey Jones

No, Joe I didn't know that. But I'm sure I wouldn't be able to tell one from the other.

Bailey Jones

Sometimes it takes a day or two for the news cycle to catch up with your lies and mis-directions. Luckily Barr came clean today -

Washington — Attorney General William Barr defended his decision to order the forceful removal of protesters from a park near the White House earlier this week, saying the move to expand the perimeter around the White House was planned well before President Trump decided to walk across the park and pose for photos in front of a historic church.

Speaking at a press conference alongside the heads of all five Justice Department law enforcement agencies on Thursday, Barr said the massive federal response to protests in the nation's capital was justified after days of violent confrontations over the weekend. He said President Trump tasked him with coordinating efforts by thousands of law enforcement officers from various agencies and departments in the district.

Carlos Ponce

On Thursday, Barr denied that the decision to extend the perimeter was related to the president's decision to walk to the church.

"There was no correlation between our tactical plan of moving the perimeter out by one block and the president's going over to the church," he said.

The attorney general said there were "numerous head injuries" among officers protecting the White House, and 114 overall injuries to law enforcement since Saturday. He said 22 officers have been hospitalized, most with head injuries.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/barr-defends-decision-forcefully-clear-protesters-lafayette-park-white-house/

What's false?

Tear gas was used - NOT TRUE

President Trump ordered the area cleared so he could walk over to the church. Not true. Trump did ask AG Barr to coordinate the response on Monday. Barr decided to move the barriers one block northward by 2pm. That did not happen by 2pm but later. Protesters were asked three times to move back a block.

"They refused. We proceeded to move our perimeter out to I Street," Barr continued.

Carlos Ponce

Bailey, nobody disputes AG Barr's rendition.

Robert Braeking

Despite all the emotion over this subject, there is an underlying fact that seems to have been missed by the press. Chauvin and Floyd knew each other because they worked the same 'extra job' together. They were both security officers at a night club. My inquisitive mind wonders. Did Chauvin have a vendetta against Floyd? Could he have seized on an opportunity? Floyd was arrested for allegedly passing a counterfeit $20 bill. Was the level of violence that Chauvin and 3 other cops called for with such a petty charge? Did Floyd even know that the currency was fake and did he pass it with intent to defraud? Did it really require 4 officers to make this arrest? Back in the day this situation would have called for a simple conversation, not a violent arrest. Police training needs some serious reform.

Bailey Jones

All good questions, Robert. They go to intent, and premeditation. Maybe one of the accomplices will turn state's evidence.

Carlos Ponce

Premeditation would change the charge from Second Degree Murder to First Degree.

Robert Braeking

What are the odds that Chauvin was the responding officer to a report of fake money passed at a store where Floyd was known to frequent? This smells of a setup. I don't think the accomplices will turn but the store clerk may sing like a canary.

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