Texas Gov. Greg Abbott defended his acting Texas Secretary of State David Whitley on Thursday amid ongoing controversy over the state’s attempts to review thousands of voter registrations.

On Jan. 25, Whitley’s office identified 98,000 people on Texas voter rolls who he called potential non-U.S. citizens. The lists were sent to county voter registrars, who are responsible for maintaining the rolls.

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Carlos Ponce

"Three federal lawsuits have been filed over the controversy..."
So when is following the law a CONTROVERSY?
There is NO CONTROVERSY. Just following the letter of the law.
https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/EL/htm/EL.11.htm#11.001
https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/EL/htm/EL.18.htm#A

Steve Fouga

“He did exactly what he is supposed to do,” Abbott said.

No, he did a poor job. No one is supposed to do a poor job. Instead, he should have done a good job. Good job, hero. Bad job, goat. Simple as that.

Carlos Ponce

So following the law is doing "a poor job"?????? You're wrong, Steve.

Gary Scoggin

When you issue a list that important with that many errors, I consider it a poor job.

Carlos Ponce

Not a "poor job" Just doing their job as required by the statutes of the State of Texas.

Gary Scoggin

I didn’t realize the statutes required you to make lots of mistakes.

Carlos Ponce

The Secretary of State had to go by what information they had. They wanted to compare that list with the list of naturalized citizens from Washington DC but that was not forthcoming. Too many holdovers from a previous administration.....

Gary Scoggin

Pretty weak excuse. They couldn't have spent a little more time getting things right. I'll try to remember this excuse next time I see somebody here complain about inefficient government. Evidently our Governor thinks its okay.

Emile Pope

Garbage. Voter suppression is illegal. And taking away one's right to vote simply because they fail to respond to a letter no one is sure they received is unconstitutional. You don't take someone's rights and then force them having them is abhorrent.

Paul Hyatt

Why is this nation of laws going after the innocent and letting the guilty do what they want? It is a proven fact that the democrats are signing up criminal illegals so that they can vote and now that a official of Texas is going after them he is the one that is being blamed! Really? Makes no sense as he is just following the law....

Gary Scoggin

Paul, can you provide the proof of that proven fact?

George Croix

I can't prove that fact, Gary S., but it's certainly fact as to who released THOUSANDS of criminal illegals from jail onto the streets of this country a few short years ago......

The smart ones will go to CA, and get taken care of, and get a drivers license....the land of same day voter registration using...a driver's license..........
i DO NOT know whether any actually use that for nefarious reasons....[wink][whistling]

Gary Scoggin

I don’t think issuing the list was done with the intention of voter suppression. I think it was done by a newly elected official with the intent of pandering to his base and the three stooges (Abbott, Patrick and Paxton) leading the Republican Party in Texas.

Diane Turski

It seems to me that Whitley did "exactly what he was supposed to do" for Abbott - attempt to purge the voter rolls before the 2020 election. We must all be vigilant for attempts at voter suppression and stop it!

Carlos Ponce

No citizen will be purged from the voter rolls. What are you afraid of?[scared]

George Croix

Straighten the mess out, then if there are any registered voters who should nto be, weed them out, and if fraud was involved, prosecute.
Stop dancing around the excuses pole either direction.
The feared and ready-made-excuse Russians didn't twist a single voting machine dial or mark a single spot on a ballot...they just did what they always do...get dumb people to believe whatever they are told.
Being attacked from inside your home is always more worrisome than from outside it....or, should be, if there weren't so much 'resistance' to simple common sense....

Gary Scoggin

"Straighten the mess out, then if there are any registered voters who should nto be, weed them out, and if fraud was involved, prosecute."

I agree with that. For me the issue is getting the right amount of diligence and setting the proper burden of proof. Is it better to accidentally let a non-citizen vote or bar a proper citizen from voting? Ideally you want to do neither but if you are going to err, which side should you err on? This is why the goal should be ACCURACY, not PURGING. Too many people automatically assume they are the same thing.

George Croix

How about the dead voters.
Can we at least agree to get all the dead voters off the roles?
I'm guessing no...that would be 'voter suppression'.....


Carlos Ponce

Then the ACLU will file a lawsuit for Zombie voter suppression.
Are Zombies Democrat or Republican? The following link answers that question.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a6YdNmK77k

Gary Scoggin

Zombies have no brains to speak of. You can make a case that they could belong to either party.

George Croix

Remember, everybody, you have the right to cast a legal vote of you are a citizen of this country, not prevented from voting for some legal transgression you committed, and properly registered to vote....

That means ONE vote per person...not per finger.....[whistling]
Usual suspects, take note......

Personally, I agree with Jim that mail order absentee balloting is the most likely area for abuse....
There CAN'T be that many people named M. Mouse.................

Steve Fouga

I'll go out on a limb and state that not one person illegally in this country came here with the specific intent of voting in our elections.

I further believe that only the most stupid ones would do it, once they are here. EXTREMELY high risk-reward ratio, as it should be.

The dead ones probably don't vote much either, and should be purged from the lists.

George Croix

Yes. They came for all the freebies that taxpayers will give them and/or to get a job and make their own money....

Yes, and/or the most rewarded by interests benefitting from their presence. There's essentially ZERO risk, not high risk....they've already BEEN caught committing one crime and released into the country to show up later on a promise. What's the risk? Deportation? They ALREADY face that, if ever show up again...

It's true that, so far, they've only been found to vote from the grave with their left hands, so that cuts the numbers by 50% right off the bat.....

Gary Scoggin

Most are here to try to build a better life for themselves and their families. And they did commit a crime - a misdemeanor in most cases - to do it. I freely admit I committed a misdemeanor this morning. I went 40 mph in a 30 mph zone.

Steve makes a good point, a point which I've seen over and over in real life. The vast majority of these people survive by keeping their heads down and maintaining a low profile. They are not going to screw it up by trying to vote. A few might, but most are smarter than that.

George Croix

Those are some really nice soft pedals, there, Gary. I should get some for my bike.
Yep. it's EXACTLY the same to commit a speeding crime versus enter the country illegally and then steal...STEAL....it' s resources meant for citizens. But, a LOT of people think exactly like that.
Say, aren't you one of the people herein who complain about Texas School Funding shortages....why, yes, I think so......[beam][beam][wink][rolleyes][whistling]

The vast majority survive here by taking jobs and getting benefits at legal citizens and residents expense that they should not have gotten.
One mans soft pedal is another's kick in the but_......

Gary Scoggin

I'm always interested in what resources these people steal. As far as I can tell they pay taxes. Our schools are funded by property taxes and sales taxes. If there are ways to beat those I'd be interested in knowing. Many pay income tax on fake SSNs. They don't apply for refunds or every put the claim on social security so in that respect they pay more than most folks. They are not eligible for social services except for children. I suppose we could just ask them to let the little ones die due to lack of medical care like we do the adults.

i'm not saying let everyone in. But I am saying that most illegal immigrants are good folks who just want a better life. They are willing to work hard and take risks to do that. I admire those sorts of people. I stand amazed at those who love to hate on them.

George Croix

"I'm always interested in what resources these people steal."
That's because you are a True Believer, Gary, in The Myth of No Net Loss due to illegal immigration, unless I miss a pretty easy guess. If not, then you wouldn't say such odd things as 'they pay taxes' when you know darn good and well that a LOT of the illegal income, if not most, is cash....and surely you don't figure sales and property taxes cover all their bills? Cry a river for LEGAL residents of this country for a change.
When someone is not supposed to be in your house, anything they take is stealing.
Even if they leave you 5 bucks on the counter, they still stole whatever that was supposed to cover. If people in your house take 50 dollars worth of goods and leave 10 bucks, that's stealing.
If people not supposed to be here go to the ER for their medical care and pay nothing then people with insurance end up footing those bills even indirectly - that's stealing.
If people not supposed to be here can go drop anchor at a maternity ward at an average expense of, oh, 10 GRAND or so, and only pay for parking garage if forgetting the validation slip, that's STEALING money from an entity that should have been using their resources for people supposed to be in this country.
It's not charity, or 'empathy' - it's THEFT, flat out.....
The schools with illegals that of course are not supposed to be there in the first place are supposedly cash strapped, so why is that if each student pays their own way....is ESL teaching cheaper than a common language, as but one consideration? Is it OK to hold back the kids who should not have to be held up waiting for illegally here people to catch up? Sure, it can also happen in a simply bad or poor district, but AIDING a district to be POORER when it's NOT necessary is a fool's errand, especially when the same co-dependents come back P&M'g about school funding, and trying to blame the State, rather than their own advocacy for jamming schools full of people not even supposed to be in this country.
My favorites are the folks who cheerfully KILL their own children for convenience, then work hard to see as many imported into the country as possible.
Can't fix that......

Your last sentence first paragraph is best delivered via the internet. Handy place the internet for alligator / jaybird crossbreeding.....
It's a really, really, at best, imo, poor attempt at shaming. Shame's on you for advocating screwing over your own citizens in favor of people not even supposed to be here....

The citizens of THIS country are mostly good people just trying to get along....too bad they take second place at the heartstrings playing concerts so typical of illegal alien advocates.........

Love to hate on them?
That challenges that other statement. Even bigger jaybird.....
I'd be perfectly happy if they'd ALL, ALL immigrants, follow our laws and immigrate LEGALLY, come and assimilate because they WANT to be American citizens....Welcome....not just get whatever benefits they can and earn a paycheck to send home...but, no....they've got the Good and Kind folks watching their backs....
Too bad so much energy isn't expended watching their fellow countrymen's backs....
But, there's no self-satisfied back patting associated with just doing what is supposed to be done.....

As is usual from the lefties, ANYTHING that challenges their orthodoxy is driven by 'hate'......or some 'ism' or 'ist' or other....can't possibly be just wanting all to follow the same rules on the same playing field

Nothing new there....it can be fixed, but like alcoholism, only if the subject wants to be....

Gary Scoggin

You know, George, not everything I write is about you.

George Croix

OK, Gary.
I'll look for the other George Croix who used the word steal in context with illegal aliens in a post immediately before yours yesterday.....
If you weren't replying to my post that did the same thing, then my apologies....

Gary Scoggin

When a candidate runs a successful campaign by demonizing immigrants - by demonizing anybody - then it is a campaign intended to generate hate — severe dislike, if that makes anyone feel better - by creating a bogeyman which can be blamed for many of society’s problems. Hate is a strong word but when there is nothing but disdain, disrespect and uncaring for a group of humans trying to better themselves, I can’t think of a more descriptive word.

Of course these people should come here legally. But we’ve made that process so difficult and these people are so desperate that they will do what they can to get here. If ultra conservatives think that makes me a liberal (it doesn’t) so be it. There are worse things to be in this world.

And people here illegally do pay taxes. That, friends, is a fact.

George Croix

Rationalization is always a convenient thing......

'Scuse me while I go wash my 'Deplorables' tee shirt...........

Carlos Ponce

Gary Scoggin posted, "When a candidate runs a successful campaign by demonizing immigrants...."
No he did not. In fact he MARRIED an immigrant. You're painting with too broad a brush. He did single out those that "Mexico sends us" who do bad things. But he added "Some, I suppose are good people." But Liberals ignore that phrase. By pointing out JUST THOSE who aren't "good people" is he demeaning ALL immigrants? No. And he always points out that the United States needs immigrants, wants immigrants, desires immigrants, ie LEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

Keith Gray

I believe that is the best volley I've ever read from my favorite "soulless jackal". Bravo

Gary Scoggin

Carlos, If I were to say "People who post to the GDN forums are neandrathals, right wing whack jobs and nothing but selfish and cruel. But some I assume, are good people." what would be your evaluation what i think about this bunch? (I don't believe that for a minute by the way, I'm just making a point. I actually respect and even like you guys.)

Carlos Ponce

"what would be your evaluation what i think about this bunch?" asks Gary Scoggin.
You are entitled to your opinion, one which is spot on.[beam]

George Croix

I'd have been back sooner but would have missed the pleasure of having oral surgery where two people did their very best to break my jaw while I did my very best resisting the urge to do the same to theirs......[beam][beam][beam]

Keith, thanks, but let me not neglect to point out that I admire and respect Gary S., not just for what I know to have been his abilities at the refinery, but additionally as a person, because he will come back at you from the front.
There is NO doubt in my mind, based on long experience, that if we were sitting on opposite sides of a standard 30" wide conference table the narrative(s) both ways would not have been altered by a single word. Not. One. Word.
THAT is a thing to celebrate in these times of so many internet weasels.
One does not have to back down, either way, to let it go, and move along to the next item on the agenda.....
My #1 priority right now, though, is to get enough feeling back to not slobber cold Diet Coke all over my shirt..........[ohmy]

Carlos Ponce

"I further believe that only the most stupid ones would do it, once they are here. EXTREMELY high risk-reward ratio, as it should be."
Steve, I remember Monterrey NL based Multimedios which broadcasts through local stations (one in Houston) and on cable, etc. in 2016 urging viewers to vote in November 2016 - citizenship not required, just be sure to register in time.

Steve Fouga

Okay, but I doubt many responded, if any. Just too big a price, if caught, as one idiot in Dallas or Ft Worth found out...

Carlos Ponce

And what if this voter registration audit reveals more?

Steve Fouga

Great! That's what it's for. I'm not against the idea of it, just the execution.

Jose' Boix

Texas Voter Registration Application has these requirements:
"I understand that giving false information to procure a voter registration is perjury, and a crime under state and federal law. Conviction of this crime may result in imprisonment up to 180 days, a fine up to $2,000, or both. Please read all three statements to affirm before signing.
1. I am a resident of this county and a U.S. Citizen;
2. I have not been finally convicted of a felony, or if a felon, I have completed all of my punishment including any term of incarceration, parole, supervision, period of probation, or I have been pardoned; and
3. I have not been determined by a final judgment of a court exercising probate jurisdiction to be totally mentally incapacitated or partially mentally incapacitated without the right to vote."

Aside from all the hoopla, my main concern is that as it appears such important and critical list/data-base does not go through frequent audits/checks to ensure its correctness. It appears that a similar problem exists with other such important lists/data-bases such as the E-Verify. The process of QA/QC - Quality Assurance/Quality Control seems missing again.

George Croix

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/oct/18/texas-democrats-ask-noncitizens-register-vote/

Wonder if/how this plays into it the voter registration dustup......

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