George Floyd protest

Kimberley Paul joins a protest on the seawall at 33rd Street in Galveston on Saturday, May 30, 2020. Close to 100 people gathered to protest the death of George Floyd, the Minnesota man whose death while being restrained by police has sparked nationwide protests and riots.

Since the death of George Floyd at the hands of arresting officers in Minneapolis, protests both peaceful and violent — as well as looting — have broken out around the country and the world.

The Question of the Week is: WHAT ARE YOUR FEELINGS ABOUT THE PROTESTS IN THE AFTERMATH OF GEORGE FLOYD'S DEATH?

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Gary Miller

This has been blown far out of proportions by the Democrat media. None of the young black kids killed in Chicago and other liberal cities this week have even been named, let alone memoralized by anyone. Floyd was just one person killed by one bad cop. The Democrat media has turned it into a militant political movement. The final results will be worse than Floyds death.

Gary Miller

The 2019 FBI uniform crime report says 28 citizens died in police custody in 2019. Nine were black, 19 were white. The conclusion is cops are harder on white citizens than black citizens.

Keith Gray

I didn't see a "none of the above" choice

Raymond Lewis

In light of how Mr. Floyd, as well as Mr. Aubrey died, I cannot begin to tell you how much visceral anger your two post ignites. To say 'the media' (democrat or republican) is somehow responsible and 'blowing things out of portion' is repugnant. But...I gladly served for your right to make such thunderously ignorant statements.

Gary Scoggin

Raymond, You just have to realize that Mr. Miller blames everything on the Democrats and the liberal media. Pay him no mind. Nothing to see here, move along.

Ray Taft

George Floyd died as a result of police brutality under a Democrat mayor and a Democrat chief of police.

The officer who murdered Floyd had many, many complaints against him, yet the Democrats still had him on their police force and even had him training rookies. What were the Democrats doing - making sure police brutality and racism is taught to rookies?

Unbelievable to me that people everywhere don’t focus their visceral anger on Democrats and protest against Democrats, who are all talk and no action.

Obama and Biden made no change with the deaths of Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown & Eric Garner during their time as president and VP. How long have Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi & Senator Joe Biden been in office and they have not changed anything.

Everyone should open their eyes to the fact that yes, Democrats are to blame. The Democrats are responsible for the crimes against Floyd, and the crimes against so many others, including the victims of the killings, looting and rioting of the mobs out on America’s city streets, that Democrats allowed in order to try to cover up the Democrats’ previous crimes.

Carlos Ponce

Gary Scoggin posts, " Nothing to see here, move along."

"There is none so blind as he who who will not see." Plenty to see here, Gary but your attitude reflects Sgt Schultz: "I see nothing, I hear nothing, I know nothing." If you disregard the misdeeds of Democrats and the Liberal press you are part of the problem.

Gary Scoggin

Ray, for what it's worth, Derek Chauvin, the police officer with his knee across Mr. Floyd's neck is a registered Republican. But go ahead with your partisan screed, It's not like you're convincing anybody, anyway.

Ray Taft

Gary, that’s a discredited fake news report. That’s you and the MSM dutifully trying to cover for your Democrat cronies by trying to blame someone else.

The Democrat leadership in Minneapolis is totally responsible for the murder of George Floyd. If Democrats actually cared about minorities, they would have done something about that officer. But they didn’t, and they didn’t try to stop or even to restrict their very own Democrat-led police officer.

Bailey Jones

Gary, your numbers are incorrect, and your interpretation of them is incorrect. First of all, there are no reliable statistics, or a reliable national database, for the number of citizens killed by LEOs. Hopefully this will be rectified in new legislation. The FBI's own discussion of this failing is here: https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/ucr/use-of-force

Second, the number of people killed while in police custody doesn't tell the whole story. George Floyd was murdered while in police custody, Walter Scott and many others, were not in police custody. (Which begs the question, why does a person "in police custody" need to be killed anyway?)

Third, this isn't about what happened in 2019, it's about what's been happening for decades. The number of people killed by the police in just the last decade is estimated to be closer to 10,000.

Regardless, let's look at your numbers and you're erroneous conclusion that "cops are harder on white citizens than black citizens". I know math is hard, but this isn't. 19 whites, 9 blacks. There are approximately 250 million whites in the US and 44 million blacks. So whites were killed at a rate of 0.076 per million, blacks at 0.2 per million. By your numbers, blacks are killed 2.7 times more often than whites. In Minnesota, blacks are killed by the police at 5 times the rate of whites.

Everyone I know had their hearts broken and their souls shattered by the images of George Floyd being slowly and methodically murdered over the coarse of 9 long minutes while 3 accomplices stood dumbly by and did nothing. The question I have is, why not you?

Gary Miller

Bailey> 3 accomplices stood dumbly by and did nothing. Chavin was the supervisor of a 4 man rookey team, one on his second day, another his third day. Do you really think rookeys are going to interfere with their supervisor?Chavin deserves the max penalty, his team should be fired for stupidity.

Bailey Jones

Gary, what would you do if your boss was choking someone to death?

Gary Scoggin

Gary M would just assume his boss was a Democrat and let it go from there.

Carlos Ponce

Bailey, Scoggin, how do you know the other officers did not voice objections?

"J. Alexander Kueng, hadn't yet completed his third full shift as a police officer when the deadly arrest occurred, his attorney, Tom Plunkett, claimed. Plunkett said Kueng told his fellow officers as they were detaining Floyd, 'You shouldn't do that'."

"Lane was also new to the job, having been on the force for only four days when the incident occurred, his attorney, Earl Gray, claimed. Gray said Lane twice asked Chauvin, a training officer, 'Shall we roll him over?' He also expressed concern that Floyd may be in 'delirium,'Gray said.

'What is my client supposed to do other than follow what the training officer said?' Gray asked in court."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ex-minneapolis-cop-told-other-officers-you-shouldn-t-do-n1225136

Jack Reeves

I don't like to get in a mix like this Bailey but, I do have to correct you on 1 point; I am a former Police Officer and there is a standardized crime report done by each police department, each year IF, they want their federal funding. That's the one referred to as the UCR. My biggest fear is that all of these arguments over statistics and funding will end up cutting services to the minority communities who need the services the most. My first degree was in Criminology and Behavioral Science and I really believe that this is a systemic social problem; not a police problem. Wait....I am a minority as well so, my view is not skewed by being in the majority. It's just that so many of us fail to see that once we eliminate,impede or deride the basic threads which bind us as "Americans"; our shared History (good or bad), Religion, Patriotism, etc., we will be unable to foster things like empathy, community service, love of friends and neighbors and respect. I'm no conspiracy theorist but, our enemies have been working for years to destroy those things because once they do, it's easier for us to hate one another and they won't have to do anything but wait for our society to collapse. It's like I was taught in the Army, "create a distraction so that you can move in and accomplish your objective while the populace is preoccupied". I'm afraid that it's working.......

I do appreciate your comments and your research. I hope that at some point, we can get past these issues and become the family that was created by this amazing experiment that we enjoy as Americans.

Randi Wade

Peaceful protests, yes indeed. Looting and burning, no way! One older lady in Minneapolis said it all for me when I saw her in tears because she no longer had a grocery store close to her that she could walk to. Hurting your peaceful neighbors in the name of injustice is just insane.

Carlos Ponce

Strange. Bad cop Chauvin took a knee to kill a Black man. Now protestors also take a knee and want police to do likewise to show solidarity, assuming the same position Chauvin took. The optics look BAD.

Bailey Jones

The "optics" are amazing. Everyone who's not an idiot knows what "take a knee" refers to.

Carlos Ponce

The image of Chauvin taking a knee killing a Black man is fixated on everyone's mind. Seeing others take a knee in a similar manner especially those in uniform does not sit well.

Joe Mancuso

Carlos Ponce Jun 8, 2020 1:30pm

"The image of Chauvin taking a knee killing a Black man is fixated on everyone's mind. Seeing others take a knee in a similar manner especially those in uniform does not sit well."

Yeah, they all kinda look like Catholics genuflecting in church. Bad optics? And before you start your usual screed, yes, I'm Catholic.

Carlos, it's really amazing that you can come up with this kind of trash. "Christian" conservative?

Bailey Jones

Sit well with who? I know your #worstpresidentever doesn't like it - is that the source of your objection?

With you being an educator and all, maybe you should call up the parents of the 2020 Texas City grads and express your dismay with the actions of their sons and daughters who kneeled during the anthem at their commencement.

Carlos Ponce

Catholics use a kneeler, Joe.

Carlos Ponce

#worstpresidentever - what does Jimmy Carter have to do with this?

Joe Mancuso

Carlos Ponce Jun 8, 2020 3:11pm

"Catholics use a kneeler, Joe."

Carlos, are you sure you're a Catholic?

A kneeler is used once you're in the pew.

Catholics genuflect when they are entering the pew and also when crossing in front of the Blessed Sacrament.

Are you really going to try and argue that Catholics don't genuflect? Did you not see where I said that I was Catholic. I know that Catholics genuflect! I've been genuflecting since I was an altar boy in grade school!

Wow, so now you're going to lie about your religious traditions? Just so you can try to justify your post?

WWJD!?! WWJS!?! Shame, shame, shame!

Again, I ask "Christian" conservative?

Carlos Ponce

Genuflecting is not the same as kneeling. Similar but not the same. I've been Catholic for 65 years and taught Catechism in the Catholic Church. You are confusing the two terms.

Joe Mancuso

The Post by ---> Carlos Ponce Jun 8, 2020 3:11pm and

The Post by ---> Carlos Ponce Jun 8, 2020 4:43pm

SHOULD BE FLAGGED AS NON-RESPONSIVE, REPETITIVE AND DEFLECTIVE!

Carlos Ponce

Joe, your flagging means nothing.

Jim Forsythe

Carlos Ponce Jun 8, 2020 1:30pm

"The image of Chauvin taking a knee killing a Black man is fixated on everyone's mind. Seeing others take a knee in a similar manner especially those in uniform does not sit well."

"Pope Francis on Wednesday praised a Texas bishop after he knelt with protesters during a demonstration against the death of George Floyd."

Carlos Ponce

Pope Francis - read the prophecy of St. Malachi concerning this Pope.

Jim Forsythe

"With eyes closed, masks covering their faces, white roses in hand, and handwritten signs that read "Black Lives Matter," Seitz and 12 other priests from the Diocese of El Paso knelt in silence for 8 minutes and 46 seconds on Monday.

They were praying in silence for George Floyd, a black man who died in the custody of Minneapolis police after an officer knelt on his neck for that same amount of time. "

Carlos Ponce

The church is centered around our Lord ans Savior Jesus Christ, not a priest, not a bishop, not a cardinal and not the pope. What they did is their own, not a tenet of faith.

Carlos Ponce

"I was supposed to be out of town this weekend with my wife,” Georgia trooper O'Neal Saddler told a protester who asked him to kneel. “I took off today, this weekend, but I’m out here just to make sure y’all are safe. Don’t go there with respect, okay? I have much respect, but I only kneel for one person, and that’s God,” he added as he walked away.

Side note: Georgia trooper O'Neal Saddler is African American.

"Therefore God exalted Him to the highest place and gave Him the name above all names, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." Philippians 2:10

Carlos Ponce

Joe asks, "Again, I ask "Christian" conservative?" YES I AM. I kneel before no man or cause but for my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Joe Mancuso

Carlos Ponce Jun 8, 2020 9:48pm

"Pope Francis - read the prophecy of St. Malachi concerning this Pope."

You mean this St. Malachy:

http://www.uscatholic.org/articles/201308/what-prophecy-st-malachy-27710

"The real Malachy was an Irish saint who lived from 1094 to 1148. His alleged prophecies, however, were not discovered until around 1590. The legend goes that Malachy experienced a vision in which he was given insight into popes past, present, and future, and that he recorded this vision as a series of cryptic verses. The prophecies were quite accurate up to about 1590 (conveniently the point at which they were found), but then became rather vague, lending credence to the theory that they are a 16th-century forgery."

Or this St. Malachy:

http://www.catholic-pages.com/grabbag/malachy.asp

"The prevailing view today is that they are elaborate forgeries, probably perpretrated by a school of Jesuits in the 1600s. This is based on the clear relation of the mottos to the various popes until that period, and the need to find oblique references (such as the motto of the Pope's home diocese) to make the particular motto fit the particular pope."

Or (my favorite) this St. Malachy:

https://www.catholic.com/qa/do-the-prophecies-of-st-malachy-suggest-we-are-living-in-the-end-times

"Is “Malachy’s” prophecy legitimate? Probably not. The consensus among modern scholars is that it is a 16th-century forgery created for PARTISAN POLITICAL REASONS." (my capitalization)

Carlos Ponce

Malachi- Malachi it depends on the source material on how it's spelled.

I suggest you read each prophecy and see how it relates to each pope. Extremely accurate even after the 1590 papacy. If it was made up in the 16th Century, someone was right on.

Joe Mancuso

Gee, Carlos, spelling is not really what I posted about.

Does it not bother you that all three articles give evidence that the "prophecies" were forged?

1) "lending credence to the theory that they are a 16th-century forgery."

2) "The prevailing view today is that they are elaborate forgeries, probably perpretrated by a school of Jesuits in the 1600s"

3) "The consensus among modern scholars is that it is a 16th-century forgery created for PARTISAN POLITICAL REASONS"

Carlos says the prophecies were "Extremely accurate even after the 1590 papacy".

Two of the articles say that the prophecies up UNTIL 1590 are pretty accurate. 1590 being the year that the prophecies were "discovered", 442 years after Malachy(i) died in 1148. However, AFTER 1590, they "became rather vague" or "require oblique references" to make the prophecies fit.

Gary Scoggin

Joe -- When the facts don't support what Carlos is saying he either, makes up his own "alternate facts" and deny the truty or he deflects, like he did with the spelling thing. Like his idol, President Trump, he is genetically incapable of admitting a mistake.

Carlos Ponce

Joe posts, "Does it not bother you that all three articles give evidence that the 'prophecies' were forged?" No because the prophecies have come true.

Carlos Ponce

So sad, Gary Scoggin is so sad.[sad]

Gary Scoggin

No, Carlos. Actually I'm a pretty happy guy.

Carlos Ponce

And after Trump wins re-election Gary Scoggin will be HAPPIER![beam]

Bill Broussard

Carlos. You do a good mock up of a scholar but in fact you specialize in really bad taste. That note is really offensive no matter what party you register with

Carlos Ponce

Thank you for your contribution. It will be given all due consideration. [TRASH CAN}

Joe Mancuso

Carlos, we're still waiting for you to tell us if you or your ex-students or Trump were lying about the weapons of mass destruction. Remember, you swore that there were WMD's in Iraq. You even stated "By the way Jim, several of my ex-students were in the HOT Iraq sun in hazmat suits working to remove WMD and detoxify the area. SO DON"T TELL ME NO WMD! They were and still are GOOD MEN." https://www.galvnews.com/opinion/letters_to_editor/article_43929ba8-434a-585e-8003-d6b091e7aa0d.html?mode=comments

But, then, Trump tweets "Colin Powell, a real stiff who was very responsible for getting us into the disastrous Middle East Wars, just announced he will be voting for another stiff, Sleepy Joe Biden. Didn’t Powell say that Iraq had “weapons of mass destruction?” They didn’t, but off we went to WAR!"

And all you could reply was that "There is a weapon of mass destruction. They call it THE DEMOCRAT PARTY!" repeated over and over.

So, Carlos, who was lying - you, your ex-students or Trump?

Jim Forsythe

Joe beside WND add to the list, a cell phone, and the bunker that Carlos thinks Trump was right about.

Carlos Ponce

"Carlos, we're still waiting for you to tell us if you or your ex-students or Trump were lying about the weapons of mass destruction. "

Answer: Neither:

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet Act 1, scene 5

Joe Mancuso

Carlos Ponce Jun 10, 2020 8:28am

Hey, Carlos, here's one that Shakespeare penned for you and your dominator!

“What a terrible era in which idiots govern the blind.”

Julius Caesar

Carlos Ponce

Looks like Jim hasn't seen a close-up of that "cell phone" nor seen the EMERGENCY! episode. Oh, well.

Jim Forsythe

So, Carlos, who was lying - you, your ex-students or Trump?

Jim Forsythe

If you look at a photo of Martin Gugino laying on the sidewalk and increase the magnification to 400 on your computer, you will see an Apple cell phone in his hand.

Gary Scoggin

Only leftists use iPhones. The guy probably reads the Bezos WaPo and buys Chinese stuff from Amazon.

Carlos Ponce

Response to Joe Mancuso Jun 10, 2020 8:49am

Since I govern nothing, your quote does not apply to me. As for Trump:

"Uneasy lies the head that wears the crown" Henry IV, Part 2. but "Winning will put any man into courage."Cymbeline. Act II. Scene III. And Trump will win.

Jim, none of the above.

Jim Forsythe

Trump is trying to portray Martin Gugino as part of Antifa. No proof, but some of Trump's base believe this fabricated OANN headline as being true. Below is the kind of organizations Martin Gugino belongs to and the good work he does for others.

"This fall, Jericho Road, a community health clinic in Buffalo, featured Gugino in its newsletter’s “donor spotlight.” Asked why he gives, Gugino wrote: “In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus said to clothe the naked, shelter the homeless, feed the hungry, and give drink to the thirsty.”

Gugino, identified as a longtime peace activist from Amherst, is a member of two nonprofits: PUSH Buffalo, which focuses on affordable housing, and the Western New York Peace Center, a human rights organization. He is also part of the Catholic Worker Movement and politically active on social media, frequently criticizing Trump.

What is the Catholic Worker movement: The Catholic Worker movement was founded in 1933 by Peter Maurin and Dorothy Day in New York City to implement the teachings of the Gospels and Catholic social teaching, especially as presented in the social encyclicals.

A basic concept of their movement was hospitality and Dorothy and Peter and a few others began to house the homeless immediately. The movement grew and many other houses of hospitality began across the United States.

The core of the Catholic Worker movement was pacifism. From the beginning, Peter and Dorothy developed the basis, the roots, of theology of Catholic pacifism.

Personalism, the focus on the human person made in the image and likeness of God, was primary. Inspired by Emmanuel Mounier and Jacques Maritain and others, it was related to the implementation of Matthew 25, “What you did for the least of the brethren you did for me.” Each person is to be received as Jesus. As St. Benedict had taught many centuries ago, the guest is Christ.

The Catholic Worker also had an interest in agronomic communities, where Workers would grow their own food and participate in crafts. The Catholic Worker movement has no national organization or headquarters.

The mission of PUSH Buffalo is to mobilize residents to create strong neighborhoods with quality, affordable housing; to expand local hiring opportunities; and to advance economic and environmental justice in Buffalo.

Bailey Jones

Gary Miller is like the the captain of the Titanic. He's not worried about the iceberg because he only sees the tip. This ship is unsinkable!!!

But to be fair to Gary, and all the other Trumpsters here - the president has made it clear that he has taken the side of the police in this dispute, and they've all gotten the memo - the protesters are not peaceful, they are not real, they are terrorists. There is no room for dissent in Trump's America, much less his party.

The murders of American citizens by the very people we pay to protect us represents a line in the sand. Real Americans are on one side, Trumpsters are on the other.

Carlos Ponce

Bailey posted " the president has made it clear that he has taken the side of the police in this dispute, and they've all gotten the memo - the protesters are not peaceful, they are not real, they are terrorists"

That is NOT the president's position, Bailey. What is the President's position?

"But we cannot allow the righteous prize and peaceful protesters to be drowned out by an angry mob. The biggest victims of the rioting are peace loving citizens in our poorest communities, and as they are President, I will fight to keep them safe. I will fight to protect you. I am your President of law and order and an ally of all peaceful protesters."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/politics/read-trumps-rose-garden-remarks/index.html

I would like to know where you got your misinformation or did you just make it up?

Bailey Jones

I got it from the letter that #worstpresidentever retweeted over the weekend. "The phony protesters near Lafayette were not peaceful and are not real. They are terrorists using idle hate filled students to burn and destroy." This is in regard to the protesters that Barr ordered to be cleared so #worstpresidentever could have his little photo op.

#Worstpresidentever didn't write the letter - we all know he can't write - he had his lawyer write it and then gave it his full-throated support by posting it on his personal twitter page.

Gary Miller

Bailey> You seem unable to tell the difference between peaceful protests and violent riots. Thank god Trump can.

Carlos Ponce

So in other words you got it from a bogus source.

Bailey Jones

"So in other words you got it from a bogus source." Yes! OMG Yes! I got it from the #worstpresidentever's personal twitter account.

Bailey Jones

"Alexa, play white noise."

Alexa: All lives matter. Stop making this about race. Just cooperate with the police and you'll be fine. Ben Carson is in the cabinet. What about black on black crime? Did you see that nice well spoken black girl on Glenn Beck? Blue lives matter. Look at how they destroy their own neighborhoods. I have black friends. I've never seen racism. Democrats invented slavery. I love Diamond and Silk. Stop being victims. I just want to watch football. Why do they have to wear their hair like that? People who talk about racism are the real racists. Hello, 911 - there are black people barbecuing in the park...

Gary Miller

Bailey. Democrats invented slavery? You are wrong by 900 generations. Slavery was the second oldest professions and still is practiced by Africans. Unesco says there are over 250,000 black slaves in Africa. African governments have far fewer inmates in prison than the US because they sell convicted criminals.

Jim Forsythe

Gary, I do not think you know who Alexa is.

Bailey Jones

[thumbup] I'm assuming he agrees with everything else she said.

Jim Forsythe

"Alexa: does Gary agree with everything else you said. ."

Alexa: who knows?

Dan Freeman

Mr. Taft here is the attorney’s letter from Florida. Mr. Derek Chauvin is not only a registered Republican but voted illegally twice in Florida. https://hillreporter.com/registered-republican-derek-chauvin-illegally-voted-in-2016-and-2018-70249

Ted Gillis

Gary, thank for the 900 year old history lesson.

No democrats today support racism. What is your point?

Carlos Ponce

"No democrats today support racism." I know a few that do, Ted, and they're not shy about it.

Bailey Jones

I know a few Republicans who don't. Go figure.

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