U.S. Rep. Randy Weber joined other Republican lawmakers in signing an amicus brief supporting a group of Navy service members suing the Biden administration over requiring vaccination against COVID-19.

A Christian conservative legal group sued on behalf of 26 service members, including some Navy SEALS.

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Gary Scoggin

I don’t understand how the Covid vaccine is a religious liberty issue, except for a narrow band of religions that already had such beliefs (Christian Scientists, for example). Also, I imagine our Seals get a whole host of other vaccinations for deployment (Hepatitis, Tetanus, Yellow Fever, etc.), so why is this one different, especially for religious reasons.

Carlos Ponce

Let me try to explain it, Gary. The vaccine was made using aborted fetal tissue. When that was denied by the drug manufacturers, the catholic Church and other religious groups gave their okay. Turns out the drug manufacturers LIED.

Are "vaccinations for deployment (Hepatitis, Tetanus, Yellow Fever, etc.)" made with aborted fetal tissue? No.

Liberal pro-abortion activists are going to make political hay out of this telling the world we should kill more babies because the tissue can be used for medical production.

Gary Scoggin

The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were developed (not manufactured) by use of fetal cell lines, not fetal tissue directly. The J&J vaccine is manufactured using fetal cell lines. As are vaccines for Rubella, Chickenpox, Hepatitis A, and other diseases. So if someone is opposed to the Covid vaccine on these grounds they must also be opposed to those other vaccines, as well.

The fetal cell lines used were from fetuses aborted many years ago and not from current procedures. The tissue was preserved and has been replicated many times over.

If it can be established that the drug companies lied, why haven’t the different religious groups revoked their positions?

Craig Mason

Bingo Gary and that is why religious exemptions are not being granted, because military personnel have already had the other vaccines and did not object to those vaccines under religious exemption.

Carlos Ponce

"The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were developed (not manufactured) by use of fetal cell lines, not fetal tissue directly."

That verifies what I posted, Gary Scoggin.

Carlos Ponce

Craig, the other vaccines they took did not involve fetal tissue.

Carlos Ponce

"If it can be established that the drug companies lied, why haven’t the different religious groups revoked their positions?"

As the saying goes, once you fart, you cannot put it back where it came from.

Jim Forsythe

I hope no one that is against the Covid19 vaccine because of religious reasons, because they use the new mRNA, need vaccines such as the mRNA cancer vaccines. The same goes for the HAVRIX vaccine for Hepatitis A, ZOSTAVAX vaccine for shingles, M M-M-R-II vaccine for protection against measles, mumps, and rubella. as they are all made using the technology of the mRNA. Many more vaccines using mRNA are almost ready for use for the public.

If you claim you are against Covid19 vaccines because of religions reasons, you must be against all vaccines, made using the same methods.

Below are what religions leaders say about the Covid19 vaccinations using mRNA.

Catholic Christianity “It is morally acceptable to receive Covid-19 vaccines that have used cell lines from aborted fetuses in their research and production process. Due to the situation of the ongoing pandemic, “all vaccinations recognized as clinically safe and effective can be used in good conscience with the certain knowledge that the use of such vaccines does not constitute formal cooperation with the abortion from which the cells used in production of the vaccines derive.”

The Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

Protestant Christianity "And I think when trusted religious voices can help people accept that the vaccine is a good and godly thing to do, that helps reach people who might not trust it from other voices in the community.’ Bishop Scott Jones, United Methodist Church.

Evangelical Christianity “Indeed, the vaccines are a cause for Christians to rejoice and to give glory to God. The Bible, after all, speaks of medicine as a common grace, discovered by human beings but given by God…By getting vaccinated as soon as our time is called, we can actively work for what we have been praying for — churches filled with people, hugs in the church foyer, and singing loudly together the hymns we love.” Russell Moore and Walter Kim (National Association of Evangelicals)

Mormonism “The church urges its members, employees and missionaries to be good global citizens and help quell the pandemic by safeguarding themselves and others through immunization”

Judaism Three of the most senior rabbis in ultra-Orthodox Judaism -- Chaim Kanievsky, Gershon Edelstein, and Shalom Cohen -- recommended recently that “anyone who has the option of getting the vaccine should get it.”

Carlos Ponce

Jim, our Catholic parish priest has letters of religious exemption for those parishioners who object to the vaccine on religious grounds.

Jim Forsythe

Carlos, you do not follow what the Vatican says? Does your Priest believe like the Vatican? If he is against it, why would he not say, all should not take the vaccine? Since religious exemption are provided, why are not all in one church against Covid19 vaccines? Or is religious exemption just a convenient excuse for some. The Catholic church said It is morally acceptable to receive Covid-19 vaccines that have used cell lines from aborted fetuses. Are they not saying it is OK'ed by the Church? Does the Catholic church have different standards, that some follow one path, and others follow a different path?

It's like when a Church is against gambling, until someone in their flock wins it big in the Loto. That happened at a church I attended. Guess who wanted a tithe.

Catholic Christianity “It is morally acceptable to receive Covid-19 vaccines that have used cell lines from aborted fetuses in their research and production process. Due to the situation of the ongoing pandemic, “all vaccinations recognized as clinically safe and effective can be used in good conscience with the certain knowledge that the use of such vaccines does not constitute formal cooperation with the abortion from which the cells used in production of the vaccines derive.” The Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

Carlos Ponce

Oh gee, a non-Catholic trying to tell Catholics how to believe. Cardinal diNardo of the Galveston Houston Diocese writes:

"These vaccines are not completely free from any connection to abortion, as both Pfizer and Moderna made use of a tainted cell line for one of the confirmatory lab tests of their products."

"The decision to receive a vaccination for COVID-19 is one of personal conscience."

Jim Forsythe

A Catholic microbiologist, Deacon Robert Lanciotti, said that while research connected to aborted fetal cells may have contributed to the knowledge base being used in the vaccine’s development, the actual production of the vaccine does not use cells of any kind, fetal or otherwise. Deacon Robert Lanciotti, a microbiologist and the former chief of the Center for Disease Control and Prevention’s diagnostic and reference laboratory in Fort Collins, Colorado, said that the manner of production for the Moderna vaccine is ethically uncontroversial — in contrast to several other common vaccines, which are grown in aborted fetal cells. In contrast, the production of RNA vaccines does not use cells at all, he said. During his 30 years as a CDC scientist, Deacon Lanciotti’s specialty was producing RNA in the same reaction used to produce the Moderna vaccine.

Deacon Lanciotti said, there is a distinction between “design” and “production.” Although it may seem like a subtle difference, he said in this case it makes more sense to assess the ethicality of the production of the vaccine itself, rather than any pre-existing knowledge and understanding that went into its development.

For his part, Lanciotti said RNA vaccines are at least produced in an ethical manner free from the use of aborted fetal cells— which is more than can be said for some common vaccines such as MMR, polio, and chickenpox. “We as Catholics should actually be very pleased that the two leading COVID vaccines are both RNA vaccines with no ethical concerns,” he said.

Carlos Ponce

There goes Jim again wanting to argue.

Bottom line, Aborted fetal tissue was used in developing the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. The cells are not from newly aborted but aborted tissue from earlier and grown in a lab.

If a practicing Catholic is threatened with job loss he or she for not taking the "tainted" vaccine, the parish priest can give them a letter for religious exemption.

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Raymond Lewis

Sir despite your (best) effort, that is no explanation for anything.

Claire Reiswerg

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Dwight Burns

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Bailey Jones

Whatever happened to soldiers following orders?

Carlos Ponce

Study the NUREMBERG TRIBUNAL, Bailey.

Gary Scoggin

It seems to me that the circumstances of “just following orders” at Nuremberg are much different from requiring a soldier or sailor to be vaccinated.

Carlos Ponce

In your mind, perhaps.

Gary Scoggin

Actually I can draw quite a distinction between someone being told to murder innocent women and children and someone who is mandated to take a vaccine that has been administered to 90% of fellow soldiers and hundreds of millions of people worldwide. Surely your not suggesting equivalence?

Carlos Ponce

Not equivalent but applicable.

Ted Gillis

Are any of these Navy Seals from our congressional district? If not, why is Weber concerned about it?

Gary Scoggin

Louie Gohmert told him to.

Carlos Ponce

Proof, Gary Scoggin?

Carlos Ponce

"Are any of these Navy Seals from our congressional district? If not, why is Weber concerned about it?" Yes.

Bill Keese

Weber is a grandstander not a real Congressman

Carlos Ponce

It would be interesting to find out who Bill Keese considers "a real Congressman".

Ted Gillis

Proof, Carlos Ponce?

Carlos Ponce

In the lawsuit he is labeled Seal team member 3. Since I don't believe in doxxing, that's all you are getting.

Ted Gillis

I could really care less Carlos, I was just aping Gary’s comment from above. But thanks for jumping right on that.

Carlos Ponce

So .... you wanted me to ignore your request:

"Proof, Carlos Ponce?" ??????????????????????

Ted Gillis

Yes, please.

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