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Bailey Jones

This moment feels like the end of the McCarthy era or the end of the Nixon era. According to the latest Pew Research poll, Trump's approval rating has fallen to 29%. Interestingly, that's about where Joe and Dick ended up as well.

After Joseph McCarthy imploded on live TV when conservative Americans of courage and principle finally stood up to his bullying, "McCarthyism" became a fringe element in American politics. Trumpism is headed that same way.

I'm not a conservative, and I disagree on most issues, but I respect those who hold conservative principles and live and vote according to them. Conservatism will always have a place in America - indeed, we are fundamentally a conservative people.

But cults of personality have no place in our country. They have no place in any democracy - they are the hallmark of authoritarianism and totalitarianism.

Trumpism is destined for the ash heap of history - the ultimate end of all political movements that put personality ahead of principle. It's going to be up to conservatives of goodwill to regain control of their party and restore its principles.

I wish them nothing but success.

Gary Miller

Bailey> Trump down to 29% approval? According to the MSM who have become America's most reliable liers. MAGA patriots latest approval rating is 79%.

Gary Scoggin

If the Republican party is to survive in the long-term it needs to get back to its roots of law-and-order, the Constitution, free trade and fiscal responsibility - none of which Donald Trump, and apparently many of his supporters, seem to believe in.

(Cue the Socialist, Abortion, BLM, Antifa, China comments....)

Carlos Ponce

Gary Scoggins, you have been properly brainwashed into the Donkey Party if you believe any of what you post. Happy braying!

Craig Mason

Gary, you called it, Carlos was right on time.

Gary Scoggin

Craig, it wasn’t that hard of a prediction to make! 😄. Carlos is easy to trigger.

Carlos Ponce

Craig Mason, this is what Gary Scoggin posted: "(Cue the Socialist, Abortion, BLM, Antifa, China comments....)"

Since I posted NOTHING about socialists, NOTHING about Abortion, NOTHING about BLM, NOTHING about Antifa, NOTHING about China in response, YOU ARE WRONG and lying. Gary Scoggin was just plain WRONG.

Gary Scoggin

GET OFF MY LAWN!

Carlos Ponce

Gary Scoggin, really?

Leonard Hale

Well Mr. Tumos tenure has come to and end. In my view he should be judged in the totality. If you look at our countries economic, social, and international positions when he took office, and compared those positions to where we are today. In my view h e has set us very far back. He did not follow the tenants of the Republican party, instead he chose to be a maverick. The Republican Party needs to move away from him, return to the roots of small government, good government, fiscal responsibility, pro business but responsible business and equitable law and order. Mr. Trump stood for very little of these ideals. It is my view that many Republicans are attracted to him more for what they want him to be, than for what he really is.

Gary Scoggin

Well said, Leonard.

Carlos Ponce

"The Republican Party needs to move away from him" No. Away from secure borders, a strong military, etc. Might as well sprout donkey ears. That is why Liberals are trying to silence Conservatives. In a real comparison of ideas, Democrats would lose.

Gary Miller

Leonard. America's economic, social and international positions were the best they had ever been before the Pandemic. Trump developed more freedom treaties and free market treaties than the Democrats party has in a hundred years. His domestic policies expanded the US economy way beyond any former level, driving unemployment lower than it had ever been. He did all he could about the Pandemic and pushed developement of a virus years ahead of expert predictions. Lenard you sound like MSM talking head paid to pan anything not socialist.

Gary Miller

As a Trump conservative I believe the MSM created what people thought about the DC so called riots. Some Trump supporters were in places they should not have been but word of mouth and vidieo say Capital police opened doors and invited people in. People seem to have forgoten Trump supporters are never rowdy let alone criminal. A million Trump supporters didn't suddenly change. MSM reported ANTIFA and BLM had said they would be there and stirring up trouble. They were and did. Asking RINO Republicans their opinion will get you the same answers as if you asked MSM or Democrats.

Bailey Jones

Gary, Gary, Gary - the perps are being identified, some 6 dozen have been arrested so far - and they are just exactly the people they looked like on the videos - white nationalists, Qidiots, and Trumpist extremists, including far-right members of the military and law enforcement. I have to wonder where you get your news that you don't know that these guys and gals are being identified. Is it the same place that told you that breaking down doors, smashing windows, and beating a capitol policeman to death is a "so-called riot"? Did your news site not show you the crowd of insurrectionists crushing a capital policeman in a doorway? Or smashing out windows with a stolen policeman's shield? Or beating the police with a fire extinguisher? Did they not show you the mob beating an officer with a pole flying the American flag???

Carlos Ponce

Bailey, you are making things up! Remember it was YOU who named John Sullivan. He does not fit the profile you give. He is a BLM activist who has been arrested for making terrorist threats. When ALL the names are given you will see many who do not fit your profile. The Liberal media is keeping that quiet....

Bailey Jones

Sullivan appears not to be a BLM activist, more of a Gonzo journalist, with a long history of showing up at protests, filming them, then selling the videos on his website. But also not a typical Trumptrooper.

Carlos Ponce

Bailey, John Sullivan has no journalist credentials. He is affiliated with BLM and Antifa and has a previous arrest record of anti- Trump attacks.

https://newsla.localad.com/2021/01/14/breaking-fbi-arrests-antifa-leader-john-sullivan-in-utah-after-storming-us-capitol/

This from July: "Organizer of Provo protest arrested, accused of rioting, making threats"

https://www.deseret.com/utah/2020/7/10/21320220/organizer-of-provo-protest-arrested-accused-of-rioting-making-threats

Wayne D Holt

Bailey sez: "Sullivan appears not to be a BLM activist, more of a Gonzo journalist, with a long history of showing up at protests, filming them, then selling the videos on his website."

Right. That's probably why he was charged with third degree riot and assault on motorists in Utah. Here's how The Salt Lake Tribune headlined the Capitol action: "Utah’s John Sullivan, accused of taking part in riot at U.S. Capitol, is out of jail. Judge tells the activist he can no longer work for the organization he founded, Insurgence USA." If you cross your eyes, Insurgence almost looks like Insurrection, doesn't it? Must be that guerrilla journalism I've heard so much about.

And just to show you Bailey loves a truly zany guy, from the same article: "Sullivan claimed in a YouTube video that he was just trying to fit in at the riot for his own safety."

Yeah, fittin' in at the riot...yeah...that's the ticket!

Bailey Jones

Yes, Wayne - what you are describing is what is known as "gonzo journalism" - "a style of journalism that is written without claims of objectivity, often including the reporter as part of the story using a first-person narrative. The word "gonzo" is believed to have been first used in 1970 to describe an article about the Kentucky Derby by Hunter S. Thompson, who popularized the style. It is an energetic first-person participatory writing style in which the author is a protagonist."

I wouldn't expect Carlols to get the reference, but I thought surely you would.

Carlos Ponce

FACT: John Sullivan is a member of Antifa and BLM.

Carlos Ponce

Until we have a list of all of them, what they're accused of, and which group they are associated with, Bailey Jones is just making things up.

Bailey Jones

So, just to be clear, Carlols, what you're saying is that evidence needs to be investigated and adjudicated before making a conclusion?

Gary Miller

Bailey> Do you really think an ANTIFA wearing a MAGA hat or carying an American flag is a Trump supporter. Dozens have been arrested for non violent actions like trespasing or illegal entry because capital police opened doors and let them in. The only ones indicted have been Antifa or BLM, some were armed with criminal records. Real Trump supporters can expect to pay single diget fines and court costs.

Bailey Jones

Gary, it might interest you to know that I have obtained ANTIFA's secret plan for the assault on the Capitol:

Step 1) - Sit on the couch and watch Trump supporters attack the Capitol.

Step 2) - Order pizza.

Step 3) - Sit on the couch and watch Trump get impeached a second time.

Carlos Ponce

Bailey, Antifa was the ringleaders at the Capitol incursion. But you won't believe until it appears on your Liberal News. But they won't report it until they can turn it against President Trump. Let's see they're currently throwing about: "Antifa is made of Trump supporters!" They'll float it and see if it sticks.

Gary Miller

Bailey> I saw the same shots of Antify goons doing what you saw. Difference I didn't think they were Trump supporters like MSM said they were. I saw Capital police open doors and invite people in. Some MAGA patriots were where they shouldn't have been. They will pay minimum fines and court costs for non violent conduct. The TEA Party taught Republicans that being peaceful, polite and clean is better than disruptive and trashy. I suspect many MAGA patriots are TEA party supporters re born.

Paula Flinn

I disagree with you, Gary Miller. Trump supporters are always rowdy and a half-step away from being criminal. They are imitating their leader by nasty name-calling that Trump has been doing since 2016. It’s divisive and juvenile, but rude and crass people thought it was funny and entertaining. It was a new “low” for rude, crass people running for office to do that. Trump’s supporters picked it up. Pretty soon the people were divided into two camps, not only with the issues but with vile name-calling. It has never changed. I’ve watched main stream media and have not heard that Antifa & BLM were there at the Capitol on Jan. 6th. Why would they be? They were mostly Trump supporters and groups like Q-Anon and white supremacy groups that support the President. They broke many laws and stirred up a lot of trouble.

Rep. Randy Weber’s current response to questions and his vote is “no comment.” Not the same response as MSM or Democrats.

James C.

Ms. Flinn, your brush is too broad and your mind too narrow.

Paula Flinn

You’re a typical Trump supporter, believer of lies and blindly following a narcissistic sociopath and a pathological liar.

Carlos Ponce

Paula is a typical Trump hater, believer of lies and blindly following narcissistic sociopaths and a pathological liars.

Carlos Ponce

Paula posts: "Trump supporters are always rowdy and a half-step away from being criminal." WRONG. At the Trump rallies, the only problems came from anti-Trump agitators.

Paula Flinn

The problems were that as soon as Trump opened his mouth all that he said at his rallies was lie after lie. Why you believe a con-man, crook lying to the people is beyond me. I judge Trump by his words and actions. The fact that Trump had “others” like his lawyer, Michael Cohen, do his dirty work for him doesn’t change the fact that Trump is corrupt. His reputation is one of a person who has never paid his bills and blamed others for his failures. He will have a hard time borrowing money in the US because banks are shying away from him. Russia may loan him more money.

Those of you who still follow him believe what you want to believe. He has never told you the truth. He was only an entertainer at his rallies. He told you lies. He never accepted the fact that Russia hacked the 2016 election. He gave Putin a pass because Putin lied to him and said Russia didn’t do it. Trump is a dangerous man. His words “fight like hell” and “we’re going after weak people in Congress” incited the Insurrection on January 6th. Trump didn’t mention “at the ballot box.” He meant that day. The election that mattered was over. How can you people (Trump supporters) be so blind? Trump took no responsibility for inciting the crowd, and no responsibility for what is being called The Big Lie, that he won by a landslide and the election was “stolen” from him, although the evidence is not there.

James C.

Ms. Flinn, you seem fond of using Trumps' words "fight like hell" as evidence that he incited violence. Are you willing to admonish the following for their words?

"Let’s make sure we show up wherever we have to show up. And if you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out, and you create a crowd. And you push back on them. And you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere"

- Maxine Waters

"There Will Be 'Widespread Civil Unrest"

- Ted Lieu warning of consequences if Mueller is fired

"Before I end, that’s my call to action here. Please don’t just come here today and then go home. Go to the Hill today. Get up, and please get up in the face of some congresspeople"

- Corey Booker

"fight [Trump] and challenge him in every way that we can in the Congress, in the courts, and in the streets and protests,"

- Joaquin Castro

"In order to take on Trump you have to punch him in the face."

- Sen. John Tester

"I just came from mass, but nonetheless, when you’re in the arena, you have to be ready to take a punch & throw a punch."

- Nancy Pelosi

There are many more examples of this sort of rhetoric coming from the Left but I'll stop there. I look forward to your thoughts on these, it should be enlightening.

Carlos Ponce

Paula posts, "The problems were that as soon as Trump opened his mouth all that he said at his rallies was lie after lie."

Can you point out what you believe to be a lie? If you cannot we will understand your post is nothing more than Trump-hate rhetoric.

Gary Miller

Disagree all you want Paula. I have seen and watched dozens of Trump rallies and seen the politest but most passionate Trump supporters all over America. Never rowdy or unrully but happy and loud supporters.

Paula Flinn

James C. I don’t have to defend anyone else’s speech from the left. I don’t like “fighting” speech from either side. Telling someone “There will be civil unrest,” is not the same as “Trial by combat,” (Giuliani) “Fight like hell” or “Get rid of weak Congress people.” Especially before he tells them to march to the Capitol. He didn’t say at the ballot box. Some of those so called “Patriots” chanted “Hang Pence” and “Where the f___ is Pelosi”? The levels of excitement and anger were gravely important. The imminent danger for members of Congress was serious. Please don’t say that you do not know the difference between asking for someone to be “harmed” and asking someone to leave a restaurant.

Yes, US Intelligence has proof that there was foreign money laundering through Trump businesses.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2020/08/20/trumps-business-partners-allegedly-involved-in-human-trafficking-mafia-matters-probable-money-laundering/amp/

This is just one article among many that mentions it.

Dirty Russian money everywhere. Deutsche Bank is also suspected. Intelligence won’t bring charges or say anything until he’s out of office.

You defenders of Trump are on the wrong side of History. I’m going to pray for you as I do for Trump & Biden everyday. Joe Biden was not my first choice, but he won’t keep us in constant chaos for 4 years as Trump has done.

So, I guess it’s the last time I will express my opinion here for awhile, because the GCDN does not treat us fairly. We were told that we all had to use our first and last names on this forum. But, now, someone has been given special privileges. Not cool, GCDN.

All of you are in my prayers! Anyway, Sayonara for awhile!

James C.

[ninja]

Actually, no special privileges required Ms. Flinn, just a little bit of ingenuity. Go to Dashboard>User account where you can edit your profile. I got the idea from George Soros. [tongue]

Gary Miller

Palua> Your opinions of Trump or GOP are exactly what MSM wants you to think. They taught you to think anything they don't report didn't happen. You developed an opinion with less than all the story. Believing the MSM you don't have the ability to do your own fact checking. I learned who lies and who doesn't by watching both Conservative and MSM then checking both for myself.

Craig Mason

Paula sounds right on.

Carlos Ponce

And that is so sad, Craig Mason.

Gary Scoggin

"so called riots." -- That tells me all I need to know.

Bailey Jones

My favorite is Wayne's "uninvited tourists".

Wayne D Holt

Bailey, when 500,000 rabid worshipers at the alter of Donald Trump only manage to put a handful inside a building they surrounded like fire ants, and there is ample videographic evidence Antifa and BLM wearing Trump gear were mixed in--it's there, just not on MSM--I would say that "uninvited tourists" is infinitely closer to the truth than "insurrectionists."

And if "uninvited tourist" sticks too much to swallow, imagine how "mostly peaceful" rioting looters silhouetted by flaming city blocks choked up conservatives. It will help it go down smoother.

Paula Flinn

Wayne, you’re incorrect. They keep showing that one burning building like the whole city was on fire. The white infiltration of groups like Proud Boys and Boogaloos set those fires and did some looting. BLM is not a terrorist organization. Their protests during the day were peaceful. At night other groups came in that already had bricks delivered on the street corners. Why weren’t those removed?

Carlos Ponce

Paula, why don't you listen to the minority shop owners, managers whose livelihood went up in flames.

Craig Mason

Wayne did you do extensive background research using facial recognition software to determine the MAGA Idiots were infiltrated by BLM and Antifa? I am guessing not. So maybe leave it to the secret service and the FBI to do the investigation. Until you have FBI credentials and background you should probably quit making yourself look like an idiot. There is absolutely no TRUTH to anything you have posted.

Carlos Ponce

Even with Facial Recognition software the FBI is unable to name all they have pictures for. They have an old fashioned WANTED poster out, available on-line. Interesting they have not asked for the identities of the young men who scaled the walls, climbed the scaffold, busted windows, attacked police. They do no not appear on WANTED posters nor are listed as those they have identified. They all were dressed alike -black shirt, pants, black backpack... the Antifa uniform.

Gary Miller

There is good reason local GOP members don't want to respond to MSM questions. MSM will twist any statement to mean what MSM wants it to mean.

Charlotte O'rourke

You remember that saying about being a follower ... where your parents asked - If everyone jumps off a cliff, would you?

I don’t think Trump should have asked his supporters to jump off the cliff and subvert the election process based on his unproven fraud allegations. I noticed President Trump said he would join his supporters walking to the capitol. Was Trump or his speech making cohorts there .... jumping first?

Gary Miller

Charlotte> You and MSM say unproven but millions saw and believe the evidence. Computer forensic experts have uncovered how Diminion election machines were rigged to give Biden many of Trumps votes. "No evidence" is a lie MSM put out before the election.

Charlotte O'rourke

Gary, it was up to President Trump’s team to produce evidence - to court and state officials - of any issues impacting the election. “Believing” the election was stolen isn’t enough to overturn the results. Sedition, conspiracy theories, and calls to “hang” anyone not in agreement with overturning our norms and laws are destabilizing our country.

Carlos Ponce

Evidence was produced. Courts refused to hear or see it.

Ted Gillis

Soul-Searching.......Ha!

Gary Miller

Every one getting their ideas of what happened at DC got all their evidence from MSM

film or accounts. All of which were pre approved by MSM leaders. Camera crews were told if you see any kind of scuffle focus on it, it will be evidence of rioting before being released. People with no interest in truth will copy and repeat it.

Jarvis Buckley

I believe everyone commenting on this post would agree comparisons made regarding

September 11 similar to January 6 is a leftist

Untruth & it hurts the cause of trying to unite our country. Let’s be truthful for one moment.

Biden has no interest is bring our country together. Another truth- if your child had done what Hunter is accused of they would be facing life in prison.

Gary Scoggin

Thanks for including Hunter. I haven’t heard that dodge in a while. Just for kicks, what would he be going to prison for life for? Did he kill someone?

James C.

Off the top of my head: influence peddling, pay-for-play, money laundering, failure to pay child support...

Then there is his dubious moral character involving cheating on his wife with his sister-in-law, patronizing hookers, gambling, drug use...

Paula Flinn

What happened to the favorite saying, “Innocent until proven guilty.” When it comes to the Trumps you are all for it. When you are named “Biden” you Ave to prove your innocence.

Trump has been suspected of money laundering through his hotels and casinos. His “perfect” phone call to the Ukraine definitely involved a quid pro quo. Trump cheated on all his wives, and he attended Jeffrey Epstein’s parties.

Trump is a dangerous man because he has no interest in the content of the Constitution.

Hunter Biden is not President. Joe is not responsible for what his grown son does. If Hunter Biden committed a crime, arrest and charge him. All the other stuff you mention is personal gossip.

Don’t you have a last name, James C. ?

Gary Scoggin

So, James C. (Or whatever your name is, as most people here are required to give their full name, but I guess you don’t want to be accountable for what you say.) these charges would amount to a life in prison sentence. Is that correct?

James C.

I am not trying to convict Hunter Biden here, simply trying to answer Mr. Scoggin's question "What would he be going to prison for life for?". These allegations against Hunter Biden are supported by emails found on his personal computer though. A stronger case than your accusation of "Trump has ben suspected of money laundering through his hotels and casinos". (You and your ilk suspect Trump of anything you can imagine.)

Also, you state "Trump is a dangerous man because he has no interest in the content of the Constitution." Is that why he appointed three justices to the Supreme Court based on their strict originalist Constitutional philosophy?

You say: "All the other stuff you mention is personal gossip". That is simply not true. These are facts that have been acknowledged by Hunter, Joe, and the Biden family.

"Don't you have a last name, James C.?" Yes I do. But I'm not saying what it is because I don't to be retaliated against by delusional anti-Trumpers. They have a reputation for doing things like that. [sad]

Gary Scoggin

James C. (If that is indeed your real name). The provenance of the alleged Hunter Biden laptop is far from clear. If and when it ever becomes news I’ll be happy to discuss it at that time.

And I thought the GDN forum rules called for posters to use their full names. But I guess if you don’t have the courage of your convictions you shouldn’t. Of course then if you are afraid of accountability then you shouldn’t be posting in a public forum. Everyone else here does this. Perhaps those that don’t should just adopt the last name “Snowflake.” Is that how we should refer to you, “James C. Snowflake?”

Gary Miller

James> You fact check MSM. According to MSM Hunter did nothing criminal because MSM didn't report it.

Carlos Ponce

Gary Scoggin posts, "I haven’t heard that dodge in a while." It's not a dodge There's enough on that laptop to put away the entire Biden Crime Family. If you haven't heard or read about it you have a selective news source.

Gary Miller

Carlos> There is no Biden crime family because MSM hasn't said there is. Hunter can spend freely his money MSM hasn't said he stole.

Carlos Ponce

The problem with Hunter Biden's laptop is that it is filled with pornography. It was directed to that section of the FBI in December 2019 and sat on. But there's a lot more on it than pornography.

Gary Scoggin

I didn’t realize you had seen it. Boy, you do have great sources.

Carlos Ponce

I haven't seen it but it's there based on reliable sources.

Paula Flinn

Gary Scoggin,

Maybe James Coward.

Carlos Ponce

Paula, that's uncalled for. Would you accept that type of statement in the classroom?

Bailey Jones

Scrolling through these comments makes me genuinely curious. Where do each of you get the news and information that informs your beliefs about things like the insurrection, the pandemic, the election, etc.

I'll go first -

1 - NPR (88.7)

2 - AP

3 - WAPO

and I enjoy the occasional article in the Atlantic or radio piece by the New Yorker.

Next? C'mon now, don't be shy. We'll all equally enamored with our views, we shouldn't be afraid to credit where they come from.

Carlos Ponce

No wonder why your posts are so skewed!

Bailey Jones

I'll put you down as "too afraid", Carlols.

Paula Flinn

https://sojo.net/articles/bonhoeffer-society-remove-trump-and-reject-christian-nationalism

This society is against Neo-Nazis and other groups like that.

Carlos Ponce

So Christians are a "hate group"? Same unwarranted claim made by Southern Poverty Center.

Sharon Stratman

NPR for drive time

WaPo

NYT

Google news aggregator

GDN for local news, opinions, and obits

New Yorker, Atlantic, and Slate for fun

Carlos Ponce

To each his or her own.

Bailey Jones

[thumbup] Slate shows up daily in my email - it is fun.

Gary Scoggin

I like The Bulwark and The Dispatch because they are real, old school Republicans that have principles and believe in things like the Constitution. They are not RINOs like Weber, Trump, Cruz, and a few of the more vocal MAGAs around here.

Gary Scoggin

As far as news sources my typical go tos are...

1. NYT

2. Axios (best DC based reporting of any news org.)

3. CNN

4. FoxNews (great on the ground reporting)

5. BBC (world news)

6. Houston Chronicle (regional and energy related news)

7. GDN and I45 Now (local issues)

Bailey Jones

Thanks for responding, Gary. I do enjoy BBC when I catch it on the radio, mostly for international news, although it is informative to get a European spin on American news. I subscribed to NYT for a couple of years before switching to WAPO. WAPO feels a little less strident to me. I will watch Fox for things like hurricanes, but they go a little heavy on the eye makeup for my taste. My issue with CNN and MSNBC is that they've got 24 hours, but they don't use it - they're both pretty shallow and repetitive in their coverage. That's what I enjoy about our local NPR station - they have 2 hours of local news each day, an hour of Texas news, Science Friday, weekend game shows, in-depth business coverage, music, arts, cooking, interviews, etc. It's a smorgasbord.

Gary Scoggin

I agree with you as regards to CNN. (I don't watch MSNBC much.) They seem genetically incapable of covering more than one story at a time. And they have gone too far to the left in their coverage. I prefer facts and balance but they integrate too much opinion into their daily shows. That said, they've got some incredibly well-sourced correspondents (Manu Raju, Nik Robertson, to name a couple) that provide very solid reporting.

Regarding BBC World News, I was amazed a few days ago when the events in Washington DC constituted three of their top four stories. That shows how concerned the world is as to what's going on here right now.

Carlos Ponce

Weber, Trump and Cruz are not RINOs, Gary Scoggin.

Gary Scoggin

You are right of course. Compared to great Republicans like Reagan, Goldwater, Dole and McCain, guys like Weber, Trump and Cruz are not RINOs, they are apostates.

Carlos Ponce

Weber, Trump and Cruz are not apostate, Gary Scoggin.

Gary Scoggin

Maybe I should have clarified. Apostate Republicans. Whether they are spiritually apostate is between them and God.

Gary Miller

Gary S. Dole and McCain were RINO's of the worst kind. Rommney Is as bad. Reagan and Goldwater were old school Republicans.

Carlos Ponce

Let me modify: Weber, Trump and Cruz are not apostate Republicans, Gary Scoggin.

Carlos Ponce

According to Wiki "The Bulwark" is put out by neocons and Libertarians. - Not exactly Conservative.

Neocon - "a political movement born in the United States during the 1960s among liberal hawks who became disenchanted with the increasingly pacifist foreign policy of the Democratic Party and with the growing New Left and counterculture of the 1960s, particularly the Vietnam protests. Wiki

So.... is Gary Scoggin a neocon?

Wiki identifies "The Dispatch" as center right. Center right is not Conservative

Gary Scoggin

Both Publications have a variety of views, all generally Conservative. Contributors come from a lot of people from differenct places like National Review, The Weekly Standard, staffs of Republican office holders, and elsewhere.

If you think David French, Jonah Goldberg, David French, Bill Kristol, Amanda Carpenter and Charlie Sykes are not conservative, then you know less about the definition of a conservative than you do about the definition of a Republican. And that's saying something.

Carlos Ponce

Whatever you say.... but it looks like you have a different definition of Conservative. The word with a lower class "c" is not the same as with a capital C.

Gary Scoggin

My left pinky finger apologizes for not hitting the SHIFT key. Let me be clear.

If you think David French, Jonah Goldberg, David French, Bill Kristol, Amanda Carpenter and Charlie Sykes are not conservative, then you know less about the definition of a conservative than you do about the definition of a Republican. And that's saying something.

Gary Scoggin

Did it again

My left pinky finger apologizes for not hitting the SHIFT key. Let me be clear. If you think David French, Jonah Goldberg, David French, Bill Kristol, Amanda Carpenter and Charlie Sykes are not Conservative, then you know less about the definition of a Conservative than you do about the definition of a Republican. And that's saying something.

Carlos Ponce

Gary Scoggin: FALSE. It's so easy taking a True False Test from a Left winger. Most of their statements are FALSE.

Michelle Aycoth

One sided article.

Bailey Jones

Yes - there appear to be a lot of Republicans who are perfectly fine with the events of January 6th. And a lot more who imagine that the insurrection is just the latest chapter in history's greatest conspiracy - child molesting cannibal elites vs Donald John Trump, savior.

Gary Scoggin

Funny how you never hear the Trumpublicans around here discuss, much less condemn, QAnon and their wacky belief system. I suppose there are good people on both sides.

James C.

I categorize QAnon as an extremist, trouble-making organization. Along the lines of Antifa and BLM.

By the way, there are good people on both sides. I say that genuinely, not sarcastically.

Your desperate attempts to demonize Trump supporters is shameful.

Gary Scoggin

James C. Snowflake -- How did I shame anybody? I was merely quoting the President. And, actually, I do believe there are good people on both sides. An old, old friend of mine is a QAnon supporter. He's wrong and misguided but he's still a good person who works hard and cares about others. I just regret he's fallen in with a dangerous cult.

James C.

Mr. Scoggin, I didn't claim you shamed anybody. I said your attempts at demonizing Trump supporters are SHAMEFUL (your reading comprehension could use some practice) Also, I didn't see a quote anywhere in your post (rather than calling me names perhaps you should focus on effective writing skills).

Gary Scoggin

Mr. Snowflake. I am sorry, I misread. You shamed me.. I get it now. And since you are afraid of accountability, I don't know how else to refer to you.

Carlos Ponce

Gary Scoggin: No one cares about Qanon but it seems to be a ready answer used by Liberals to malign Conservative. I still am not clear as to what a Qanon is. Q Who????

Bailey Jones

I've often wondered why you see so few, for lack of a better term, pre-Trump conservatives here. And so few who advocate for conservatism beyond specious justifications for whatever Trump did that day. I think it might be because of all of the Trumpuppets here. I've left forums full of rabid and nonsensical "liberals" because - well, it's embarrassing to be associated with them. I imagine it's the same for some serious principled conservatives who read the comments here.

Charles Douglas

Speaking for myself as a conservative, I deplore violence, and what I deplore more than that is radical LEFTISTS who cry out louder than a bear caught in a trap about the DC events ...but buried their heads in the sand at what happened in all the DEMOCRATIC stronghold cities last summer. Calling it justice for African-Americans, while lawless clowns beat, & murdered, innocent people, burned down businesses, many of those being minority businesses founded on life savings!

It would seem as though, ..anything lawless and deplorable the LEFT wants to do these days, they will deceive BLACK folks to march and cry out out foul about something, then the looters, and old women beaters will hide close behind perpetuating devastation & chaos as the demonstrators march.

Charles Douglas

Just like I predicted ...Red China, and Iran are acting the FOOL already! They act as though they are on the starting line of a land rush, and can't wait until Wednesday to get here so they can show their behinds! If you seem me put a eye-winking emoji on a post concerning something they have pulled on Joe China, consider that as a ...."I TOLD YOU SO!" Y'all know ...like this[wink]

Gary Scoggin

Charles, as I said back in the summer, there are protests and there are riots. The first is acceptable, and at times beneficial, the second is always wrong. Sometimes, those that want to inflice mayhem take advantage of those who simply want their voice heard. These are two distinct groups of people.

Those that hurt people or damaged or stole property during the summer (or anytime) are criminals and should be treated as such. I think it is wrong that not more effort was put into identifying these people and bringing them to justice. Politicians, members of the media and others who try to justify such violent actions are WRONG, WRONG, WRONG and should be called out as such.

In the attack on the Capitol, you again had both groups. You had people who had been convinced - wrongly, I might add - that the election was somehow stolen and wanted their voice heard. Nothing wrong with that. You also had those, likely a small percentage, that intended violence and wished to help stage a coup which they believed the President of the United States had called for. Some of these people invaded the People's House, many with the intent of killing and capturing our elected officials. I hope you will agree with me this last bunch - those that stepped in the door - are traitors to our country and should be dealt with accordingly.

Charles Douglas

Correction>> If yall see me...

Carlos Ponce

Bailey Jones posts, "there appear to be a lot of Republicans who are perfectly fine with the events of January 6th." FALSE.

Charles Douglas

"OG" I absolutely "T-totally ..agree with your assessments, because if I'm reading correctly here, you are for holding those responsible for looting, burning and killing, .... no matter weather they are LIBERAL or Conservative! Protesting for a a cause, peaceably is completely acceptable to me, and I have no problem with it. I must say though many in your party don't think like you. If this nation is to heal, common sense, and respect for others along with respect for each other's rights must return. [thumbup][thumbup]

Ted Gillis

Carlos, no one cares about Antifa, but it seems to be a ready answer used by conservatives to malign liberalism.

Carlos Ponce

FACT: An Antifa Activist has been charged with instigating a riot in the Capitol building. Or does Ted think, "BURN THIS MOTHER F**KER DOWN!" free speech. The FBI has the video. They have arrested him and he has affiliation with both Antifa and BLM.

Jim Forsythe

While the vast majority of the roughly 100 people hit with federal charges appear to be supporters of President Donald Trump and some backed known right-wing organizations, Sullivan is the first person to be charged who appears to have been active in liberal causes.

Trump and his supporters seem certain to seize on Sullivan’s arrest as evidence that the infiltration claim was true. His group claims to oppose police abuse and right-wing violence, while some of his writings echo language used by the anti-fascist movement.

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