GALVESTON COUNTY

With professional sports teams retiring or considering retiring Native American-themed mascot names, one Galveston County school district says the topic is under consideration while another says it’s not on the radar.

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James Lippert

As one who grew up in Santa Fe, once an Indian always an Indian. For 12 years in the SF school system the only interpretation of OUR use of the word "Indians" was totally well meaning and NEVER meant in any way to disrespect ourselves, the American Native Indians or any Indians anywhere. Lay off our Santa Fe Indians!

Dalton Logan

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Gary Scoggin

I see a big difference between “Redskins” (derogatory) and “Indians” (not).

Robert Braeking

Racism, my foot. All this name changing, statue toppling, and callings of racism are the inane rantings of the intellectually inept.

Dalton Logan

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Meg Cagnola

AMEN!!!

Carlos Ponce

Chief Red Fox (Lakota: Tokála Luta, also known as Chief William Red Fox; June 11, 1870 – 1976) was an Oglala Lakota Sioux performer, actor, and Sioux Indian rights advocate, born on the Pine Ridge Reservation in the Dakota Territory. He was a nephew of famed Sioux war leader, Crazy Horse. - Wiki

His mother was White Swan and his father was Black Eagle.

(The Santa Fe Headlight - school newspaper April 24, 1929 Page 1)

In March 1929 he visited Galveston Island and Galveston County schools:

"The laws, life, customs, habits of the Indians will be explained to the school children by the chief in his series of talks and there will also be given a demonstration of tribal songs and dances in connection with the addresses."

Galveston Daily News March 24, 1929 Page 23

He spoke to the students at Santa Fe High School in Alta Loma, Texas on April 10, 1929 at 9 a. m..

A school reveres its mascot. Santa Fe ISD should keep the Indian mascot

Bailey Jones

Any time you refer to a people by a name that is not their own it's going to be problematic, especially if your ancestors hunted those people to near extinction. If you choose to do so, you should at least make a point of avoiding stereotypes and caricatures in mascots and cheers. And you should, at the very least, provide students with a truthful educational narrative about the people - not the stereotypes - that you've chosen as your sports logo. But I can't imagine that the world cares much about the names of Galveston County school sports teams.

Carlos Ponce

Inquiry: Does the term "pale face" offend you, Bailey?

Bailey Jones

Nope. As a member of the white male class of privilege, and not being a conservative, I'm not offended that easily.

Now, if invaders had come to my country, killed 99% of my people and interred the rest of us on reservations, made faithless treaties and broke every single one of them, and my people were now the poorest and sickest in all the land, and then some history illiterate descendant of that invader named his kids' high school after me, without even bothering to learn my real name, and dressed up some cheerleader to look like something out of a dime novel, then yes - I might be offended by the name - just because after 5 centuries of genocide, ethnic cleansing and cultural destruction, I would have had enough of these people.

Raymond Lewis

Well said Mr. Jones.

Carlos Ponce

Inquiry: Does the term "guero" offend you, Bailey?

Bailey Jones

Never heard that one, Carlos. My preferred pejorative is "cracker".

Carlos Ponce

Never heard of "guero"? I'm surprised.

Bailey Jones

I take it back - I apparently have heard of it, but forgot. A quick google refreshed my memory. Several years ago I read Gustavo Arellano's book, ¡Ask a Mexican! which is a compilation of his columns of the same name from the Orange County OC Weekly. I remember the column because it also talked about Gabachos, which is a restaurant in Seabrook that I've been to a few times:

"Dear Mexican: I recently learned the meaning of güero, which until that point I only knew as a Beck album. I started calling some of my whitish Mexican friends güero/a, and they seemed displeased. Is the term offensive? - The Korean, Employer of Mexicans

Dear Chinito: Not really. Güero technically means "blond" in Mexican Spanish, but it also refers to a light-skinned person and, by association, gabachos. All Mexicans want to be güero; anyone who claims otherwise does it in the face of the country's topsy-turvy racial history, where white made might and prietos (dark-skinned folks) were little better than Guatemalans. The most twisted part about güero, however, is that it was originally a slur. Sebastian de Covarrubias Horozco's 1611 Tesoro de la Lengua Castellana o Española (Treasury of the Castilian or Spanish Language) defined it as a "rotten egg" and added that Spaniards used it to describe a family's sickly, pale child. Güero, in turn, comes from the medieval Spanish guerar, which describes when a chicken goes broody.

Fascinating etymology, right? Except . . . the official dictionary of the Royal Spanish Academy, the world's foremost expert of español etymology, says güero originates from an American Indian language. The only indigenous language in which the Mexican could find güero is Arawak, as listed in Antonio Vázquez de Espinosa's 1628 Compendio y Descripción de las Indias Occidentales (Compendium and Description of the West Indies). Here, guero (no umlaut) is described as a wine, which ultimately makes more sense to signify "blond" than "rotten egg" when one considers sorority girls."

But no - not offended, for the same reasons I gave above.

Also, I apparently have the Beck song in my Spotify library -

See the vegetable man in the

Vegetable van with the horn that's honking

Like a mariachi band in the middle of the street

People gather around put a dollar in the can

Ay wey, qué onda? tj cowboys hang around

Sleeping on the side walk with a burger king

Crown never wake them up mas cerveza till

The rooster crows vatos vergallos

Qué onda guero?

Qué onda guero?

Jim Forsythe

What does the term "pale face" have to do with Santa Fe ISD? Of all the Native Americans I have know, none have ever called me anything but Jim or Mr. Forsythe. This term is reserved for the movies and romance novels. This term has nothing to do with renaming a team like Washington, who is renaming their team. The part below is from a 1896 report.

"According to the US government publication 14th Annual report of the Bureau of Ethnology (1896):

It is very doubtful if the "pale face" ever existed in the Indian mind Instead, the publication gives the names various tribes used to refer to whites, and the nearest English translations.

Terms translating as "yellow hides", "white skins", "skillful", "easterners", "eastern water people", "hairy mouths" and "standing ears" are listed."

Bailey Jones

Carlos watches a lot of westerns.

Carlos Ponce

Bailey, do you know the origin of "The Lone Ranger"? He wasn't a Ranger but a US Deputy Marshall. And he wasn't white. He was a slave who left his master George Reeves who brought him to Texas to fight for the Confederacy. After beating Colonel George Reeves following a poker game, Bass Reeves went to live among the indigenous peoples known as "Indians". Read up on Bass Reeves who killed 14 outlaws and apprehended over 3000 criminals including his own son. Instead of a silver bullet he left a silver dollar as his calling card. His statue is in Fort Smith, Arkansas. I hope they don't tear it down because it honors a lawman.

Bailey Jones

See, Carlos - you can do history when you try. There were quite a few blacks working in the west after the civil war - thousands of them, mostly cowboys, but also a few lawmen and a few outlaws. It was a great place to get away from racist white folks and leave the past behind. Unfortunately, like your Lone Ranger, they've been whitewashed out of history by the same racists who whitewashed slavery out of the civil war. I'm glad he's got a statue - he deserves one. I hope no one has named an all white basketball team after him.

Carlos Ponce

They named "Bass Pro Shops" after him.[wink]

Jose' Boix

The "word" according to Guggle: Güero is a word used in Mexico and some parts of Central and South America to denote a person of fair complexion or with blond, light brown or red hair. The feminine form is güera.

Jim Forsythe

Carlos, Johnny Morris's family would disagree with you about how Bass Pro Shops were named.

Carlos Ponce

It was a joke, Jim. Didn't you see the "wink"?[wink][wink][wink][wink]

Joshua Moore

Yeah after that kid shot up the school and killed those kids, we should pick on the town/ school some more. Isn't that right caped crusader Bailey?

Stephanie Martin

I’m glad Santa Fe is not planning on changing the mascot!

Carlos Ponce

When they come to the Santa Fe Old School Museum and ask about a possible mascot change I tell them we're going to keep "Indians" but change the logo to Mahatma Gandhi.[beam]

Ted Gillis

I had a cigar store carved Indian in college. He stood behind my dorm room door most of the time and was used mostly for accumulated coats and jackets. Once married my wife wouldn't allow him in the house, so his life was confined to the garage. When my kids were in school

and participated in Santa Fe High School band, my son and I snuck him into the band hall one evening. My daughter did some volunteer work last year at the high school and peeked inside the band hall and reported back that he’s still there. That’s my contribution to the Indian mascot.

Carlos, maybe you can get him moved down the museum if he’s expelled from the band hall.

Carlos Ponce

Will do if he's expelled from the band hall!

John Merritt

I think we should stop referring to our ocean barrier as a "seawall." Everybody knows that the term "wall" is racist. And having Cherokee ancestors, I would appreciate it if Jeep would think of another name for their midsize family transporter.

Ted Gillis

John, Studebaker had a car named “Dictator” back before WWII, and it was their best seller.

Once fascism starting taking hold in Europe they changed the name to “Commander”.

Market forces will dictate what names Jeep will continue to use on it’s products.

Goya is just starting to figure that out right now.

John Merritt

my point is "when will it end." but the term Indians needs to be abandoned as a mascot.

Bailey Jones

It never ends, John. Because SYMBOLS only mean what they mean at any particulate time. As people and society change, the meaning of symbols changes as well. The swastika was a happy little good luck symbol until Hitler came along. Being crucified was a mark of shame until Jesus made it cool. Pants on women??? Heaven forbid. Times change, people change, society changes - and our allegiance to symbols changes. We tear the old ones down and put up the new. And there's nothing wrong with that.

Linda Mentzel

👎 I'm pretty certain the naming of SF INDIANS was equally given with respect to their strenth, courage and pride. This is how we felt as representatives of our schools and community.

Ted Gillis

Since the school district and high were named after a railroad and not a people, maybe we could change the mascot to something that correlates to such. Maybe the “Locomotives”.

Then when they play Ball High it could be the Tors vs the Locos!

Carlos Ponce

"Indians Forever, Onto victory!

For We ARE Bound TOGETHER, 'Til Eternity!"

Do you remember?

"Santa Fe shuts out Tors in season finale 49-0"

https://www.galvnews.com/sports/article_f21df239-c9d5-5922-86c0-c2d8238f6c5a.html

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