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A civil rights group sued Galveston County Voter Registrar Cheryl Johnson and three top state leaders Saturday in effort to block the review of tens of thousands of voter registrations.

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Carlos Ponce

MALDEAF (my spelling) is just a yapping little puppy trying to keep up with the "big dogs". Just follow the the law, Cheryl, and they will prove to be a nuisance, but the names must be checked. No harm done through verification. It's what voters expect.
Wonder what MALDEAF is scared by this "audit".

Ron Shelby

Is it legal to have one type of citizen have to meet a burden of proof different from another? In this case, wouldn’t that discrimination have been based on National origin?

Ron Shelby

Wasn’t she doing her job properly when they were first registered to vote?

Paul Hyatt

Why should not ALL who claim to be citizens be checked to make sure that they are REALLY citizens of the US? To many of crying about voter suppression when most of the time the democrats are just trying to increase the numbers illegally so that they can win....

Jarvis Buckley

The whining is never ending. These liberal communist that are advocating
All these socialistic programs are ensuring our President gets re-elected . The other day on CNN they
Called Hillary Clinton the " Boss Lady." She still runs the show.
As Joe Biden would say it's a big ....... Deal. Open border , baby killers will never get elected. They have about as much of a chance as Beto did beating Cruz. As my ole Dad used to say "Son close is only good in hand grenades & horse shoes."
They want even come close in 2020.
Stupid is as stupid does. Democrats
Stumbled coming out the gate.

George Croix

Actually, Jarvis, the current leader is that charcter from new York that ahs become the mSM's darling and who has a bunch of people claiming the United States could completely do away with fossil fuels use in 10 years, and go strictly to renewables......
Can't fix that....
First thing would be redo all the highway overpasses to about 50' high, so the main mast for the sails rigs on the 18 wheelers bring stocks to the grocery stores could get there on 'wind power'...
Then, it get's even stupider beyond that, yet, the 'Green new deal' is all the rage.....
It's very 'progressive'............

George Croix

Profiling is good.
Without it, we resort to meaningless speculation(s) and making excuses for NOT doing what is supposed to be done, or deflecting onto something else.
What the usual suspects have done, and do, by always fighting any attempts to keep the ballot process legitimate is admit...admit....that voter fraud is NOT a myth...
There is zero way that requiring only legitimate citizens to be registered is 'suppression', unless it's the suppression of dishonesty, which is GOOD suppression.
There is ZERO excuse for opposing efforts to insure legal voting except a desire for illegal voting.
What MALDEF, et al, needs is to be counter-sued by the State for attempting to undermine the legitimate voting process - attempted theft of legitimate votes.
Let THEM do what Sen. Warner, just a few months ago, said a defendant should have to do - prove it not so - prove the negative......talk it, walk it.......

George Croix

ps:
Put Mueller onto this 'collusion' to undermine the voting process....he hasn't found any where he's looking now, and here it is right out in the open....even he could find it, without having to create criminal acts.....[wink]

Gary Scoggin

Mueller: 1 Conviction, 6 Guilty pleas, 27 indictments. Several of these folks were directly involved in the Trump campaign. Maybe P.O.T.U.S. didn’t collude but a lot of others did.

George Croix

But, conviction, guilty pleas, and indictments for WHAT, Gary......
Ahhhh....there's the 'collusion' rub, isn't it.....nice obfuscation, though...no doubt plenty of hard core 'resistors' ready to suck that up....
But, alas for them, NOBODY, to date, has found a single collusion connection connected to the now POTUS, then candidate, that was THE purpose of the entire investigation, and had it not been for Justice Dept. (there's an ironic twist in naming...)and FBI top level COLLUSION to try to direct the results of that election, by using a PHONY document, from, wait for it, Russian sources colluding with the DNC and Hillary campaigns, to get permission to spy on a candidate.....a low water mark in American elections and a REAL 'direct threat to our democracy'....
But, does Gary complain about KNOWN collusion and dirty tricks...PROVEN ones....no...just pretending that lying to the FBI should be punished for anybody who ever knew Trump, but actual government employees and elected officials doing so should get a pass because they don't wear red ball caps.....
Interestingly, EACH of Muellers Big Successes only came about because he was given authority to investigate ANYTHING, without any evidence of any crime, and hunt for somebody to find a crime to hang on.....the crimes Mueller has charged anyone with have been crimes created by the investigation.....
Great precedent.....decide who to convict, then go find something to convict them with......
That must be a civics 'evolution', because I was taught first you had evidence of a crime, then looked for a criminal who did it.....
Well, I suppose that's 'progressive' progress......

Gary Scoggin

Wow. Nice Rant, George.

What I don't understand is that for some inexplicable reason, many Conservatives don't see Russian involvement in our elections as a threat to our democracy.

Mueller's charter is not limited to the Trump campaign. It's to investigate actions by the Russian government to try to influence the 2016 election. And to pursue that investigation wherever it leads including the Trump campaign and administration.

There was ample evidence of Russian involvement in our elections when the investigation was first kicked off in the Obama administration. The Steele Dossier to which you refer, wasn't the genesis for any of this. But even if it was, Mueller has been painstakingly thorough in his investigation and identified a whole string of Russian operatives and American traitors willing to sell out our nation for political gain. He has gone back to original sources to develop the facts. Look at some of the indictments. He's a career investigator and prosecutor who knows how to do his job.

Frankly, I hope Mueller's investigation doesn't show a direct connection to Donald Trump. I don't want the impeachment distraction and resultant governmental dysfunction that would result.

Are Hillary's hands clean? Of course not. She's as dishonest as the day is long. But did she collude with the Russians? No. She hired an opposition research firm to get dirt on Trump vis-a-vis his dealings with the Russians. And, like the rest of her campaign, this was a miserable failure.

George Croix

Ahh......my rant, your equally lengthy reasonable retort....cute....
Anyway,
"What I don't understand is that for some inexplicable reason, many Conservatives don't see Russian involvement in our elections as a threat to our democracy.'
I don't know anyone who doesn't see that, gary, but I know a LOT of Liberals who only see it where they want to.
That dodge about fusion GPS versus from Russia covers that pretty well, indeed....
I'm guessing you passed 7th grade world history since you went on to get an engineering degree, so, tell me any time since the 1917 Evolution that the Russians have NOT tried to interfere with anybody and everybody they possible can interfere with.....
This hyper concern all of a sudden is, imo, to cover up for the losing candidates' attempts to use the very sources and methods that she now calls " direct threat to our democracy'....
How odd...same thing you said........[beam][beam][beam][beam]

George Croix

Evolution...No, that's the LAST bunch....

Revolution...

NOT close enough

Gary Scoggin

I would say let's just wait for the Mueller report but you guys won't believe it because it doesn't fit the theory sitting in your heads. No need in discussing further. No minds will be changed on either side.

George Croix

What theory is sitting in my head, Gary???
Why not state your case, rather than just cast character aspersions...
Got a case??

Susan Criss

Guilty pleas count as convictions.

Gary Scoggin

Hmm. I’m thinking I made my case. The theory in your head, George, based upon what you’ve posted above, appears to be....
1. Mueller is a political hack.
2. The Steele Dossier is a fraud but was nonetheless used as a pretext for an investigation designed to hang the President.
3. Russian influence in our elections is no big deal.
4. All the people indicted or convicted by Mueller were hung up on trumped up charges and actually did nothing deserving of their fate.
5. Hillary was worse and we should be going after her instead.

Did I get it right?

Carlos Ponce

Gary Scoggin,
Did the Russians try to influence the 2016 elections? Yes, and the 2012, 2008, 2004, 2000, 1996 and 1992 elections. Before that the Soviet Union tried to influence American elections. I read they favored the Senator from Massachusetts in 1960.
But the effect of the Russian "influence" in 2016? ZERO, ZIP, NADA !
Read the Senate Intelligence Report:
https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/hearings/Russian%20Interference%20in%20the%202016%20U.S.%20Elections%20S.%20Hrg.%20115-92.pdf
From page 7 of PDF:
"Certainly it’s good news that the attempts in 2016 did not change the results of that election. But the bad news is this will not be their last attempt."
And what did Director of National Intelligence James Clapper say? "They did not change any vote tallies or anything of that sort."
What about Obama's Department of Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson?
"Based on everything I know, that is correct. I -- I know of no evidence that, through cyber intrusions, votes were altered or suppressed in some way."
During that election they used media in Pro-Trump, Pro- Hillary, Pro Jill Stein posts. And they used Anti-Trump, Anti- Hillary and Anti-Jill Stein posts.
Their aim was to disrupt the American election system. And who fell for it????? LIBERALS and anti-Trumps !
Democrats are doing the Russian's bidding by questioning the election results and any actions taken by this President.
Liberals and anti-Trump Republicans have become Putin's Pawns. They're CHUMPS.

Gary Scoggin

Got it, Carlos. You guys like cute little analogies, so try this one: The same guy has been trying to rob my house for decades but I shouldn’t worry because he’s never been successful. Of course now he’s got better tools and someone living in my house is actually helping him but that doesn’t matter because folks that stand to gain from the burglary are standing up for him.

George Croix

That's like trying to draw an equivalency to 'convictions' for running a stop sign when the trial was all about vehicular homicide....


Anyway, on to my old associate Gary S.

"Hmm. I’m thinking I made my case. The theory in your head, George, based upon what you’ve posted above, appears to be....
1. Mueller is a political hack.
2. The Steele Dossier is a fraud but was nonetheless used as a pretext for an investigation designed to hang the President.
3. Russian influence in our elections is no big deal.
4. All the people indicted or convicted by Mueller were hung up on trumped up charges and actually did nothing deserving of their fate.
5. Hillary was worse and we should be going after her instead.
Did I get it right?"

1) Political personally? No. IMO, he's a desperately seeking Susan type guy who's best friends with the political hack, Comey, who was right up at the top with an attempted derailing of, then dissolution of, a legitimate national election, covering for one candidate, while spying on another, using dishonest and deceitful, at best, means to do so. Can anyone spell conflict of interest...at the very least.....
2)Absolutely. That first part is already KNOWN, undeniable, the fraud, along with who all was involved with that, including the political opposition Party and Candidate....As to the second part, there would be no investigation had that not been done, so there's only one reason for it all...target Trump. It's sure not, so far, to target anyone KNOWN to have actually 'colluded' to influence the election.
3)No. Of course not. ANY attempts to illegally influence an election are serious (like, illegally voting, for instance...) It's simply not new, as ANYONE who passed Junior High knows, and is only in play because Hillary LOST. Had she WON, there would be NO Mueller, no investigations, no talk at all of 'Russian interference'.....That's easy to deduce because the recent ex-President KNEW about the 'interference' months ahead of election day, and did ZERO about it....kept quiet, lest anything rock Hillary's boat. Interestingly, a pass is given to the guy who's job it was to act on the 'Russian interference' and the people actually part of it......wonder why?
4)No. And now you're doing what one of the usual suspects does, making up to suit your own narrative. You cannot find ONE time I ever said anything like that. What I SAID was NONE of the domestic targets have been convicted/pleaded guilty to what the investigation was started to uncover - they ALL have been for either something done before there even was an election, or for lying to the investigators, a crime, which means the investigation itself has produced criminal activity, which it has. Oddly, KNOWN liars to investigators associated with the other candidate have been passed. Oversight? As to 'Indicting' Russians in Russia, it's hard to take such obvious showmanship seriously, as it's like indicting the Dutch for growing tulips - I mena, who could have KNOWN that was going on..... Seems only right, though, because it STARTED on a false pretense and bass-ackwards to established procedure of having evidence of a crime, then hunting for the criminal.
DA: "Gary, I think you committed a crime, or at least I'm saying I think so, so now I'm going to hire an entire team of prosecutors who all contributed to your political opposite, and we're going to have unlimited time and money to hunt for something you might have done, and try to get you to say ANYTHING different at one point than you said at another, so we can get you for 'lying to us'." Like that? A good thing? 'Fair'??
THAT's how it's working right now.
The people convicted/pleading should NOT have lied...they deserve punishment for doing so....but they do not deserve to be the ONLY ones.....
5) Yes. Absolutely worse. Espionage, mishandling of top secret materials and REAL 'collusion' with a foreign power to try to impact an election, are a LOT worse.
But, not go after her 'instead', but ALSO....
Get it.....supposedly, equal justice under the law.....

Well, sorta right on a couple is better than totally wrong on all.....in all things, there's room for improvement....[wink]

Carlos Ponce

Gary, apparently you don't get it.
Did the Russians change who would become president in 2016? No.
Was the Russian intent to disrupt the American political system effective? Yes, as evidenced with all the wasted time, effort and money spent on investigating "Russian Collusion". Although this President has accomplished much, Democrats have obstructed all his efforts because they still refuse to accept his presidency.

George Croix

"You guys like cute little analogies, so try this one: The same guy has been trying to rob my house for decades but I shouldn’t worry because he’s never been successful. Of course now he’s got better tools and someone living in my house is actually helping him but that doesn’t matter because folks that stand to gain from the burglary are standing up for him."

That's a great one, Gary, even though nothing like what happened.

What happened was the previous Chief of Police KNEW the guy was trying to rob your house and only told him to 'cut it out', then did nothing about it. And then, rather than go after the people who were known to work with the guy who was trying to rob your house, who there was actual evidence of direct contact with, the Chief's associates went after a guy they hated and who they decided they'd find something...anything...illegal to hang on, related or not. The KNOWN guilty are let off the hook in place of searching for proof of whatever can be found on someone else.
That is much more accurate 'cute little analogy'.....
On this planet....


Gary Miller

Well said George.

Mike Zeller

Whatever happened to Trump's manufactured voter-fraud crisis? The Panel he empowered to look into voter-fraud, quietly disbanded and rode off into the sunset, finding nothing. Here we go again!

George Croix

Nobody from the 'progressive' side would cooperate, and allow checking of voter roles.
THAT says all that anyone listening needs to hear.....
The ONLY reason to oppose a legitimate voter registration list is a desire for illegitimate 'voters' to vote.....
Telling Trump or any government entity to go get stuffed rather than work to clean up the roles is not an act of courage...it's an act of middle-finger to honest citizens....
Nothing new there from the 'resistance'.....

Dan Freeman

The following "progressive side" states refused to participate in this ill conceived effort at voter suppression: Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Wyoming. Other states including Texas could not decide what to do. That is why the silly commission collapsed. Voting is a right of all citizens, not a privilege. It is tragic that Texas, with its pride in representative democracy, has such low voter participation.

Carlos Ponce

"Kentucky Secretary of State Alison Lundergan Grimes (D) said that she does not intend to release the data." A Democrat?
[South Carolina] Gov. Henry McMaster believes South Carolina should share state voter information that is publicly available. South Carolina does not make public some of the information sought by the election fraud panel, including the last four digits of Social Security numbers and military service and felony criminal records. The state sells some voter information — including names, addresses, voting history and dates of birth. A list of all South Carolina voters can be bought for $2,500.
Tennessee “Although I appreciate the commission’s mission to address election-related issues, like voter fraud, Tennessee state law does not allow my office to release the voter information requested to the federal commission,” Tennessee Secretary of State Tre Hargett.
Wyoming Secretary of State Ed Murray, a Republican, said, “I believe elections are the responsibility of the states under the United States Constitution and I do believe this request could lead to a federal overreach.”
"Texas plans to comply with the a Trump-assembled panel's wide-ranging request for voting information, but it's only handing over records the state considers public."
https://www.texastribune.org/2017/07/01/hey-texplainer-texas-handing-over-my-voting-data/
Kobach asked for the data “if publicly available under the laws of your state.”
Now even Dan Freeman knows "The rest of the story."

George Croix

"Voting is a right of all citizens..."
Absolutely.
And, of course, those 5 plus one undecided conveniently leaves out the other 44 (or, 51 others, if Barack Obama.....) reasons for not participating.....
So WHY, then, Dan, object to being sure ONLY legally allowed to vote citizens are on the voter roles?
A states rights thing?
OK. Each individual state HAS a right to their own data.
But why would any state knowingly put up with illegal voters on it's registration roles?
Stop all the obfuscation, and simply give ONE good reason for NOT wanting to be sure only legal to vote citizens are registered to do so?
Just one real good reason......

George Croix

ps:
Low voter participation is on THE VOTERS.
It's not some BS 'suppression' ... it's laziness at best, indifference in the middle, or some reason the voter doesn't want to come to the attention of the State...
It's a PERSONAL failure to not vote....

Steve Fouga

My problem with it is the clumsiness, not the intent to make sure only citizens vote. It has the ready-fire-aim feel that the president has shown as well. Whereas the last administration could be timid to a fault, this one, and now by extension its aligned outposts in the States, is too go-ey, acting before they're ready/

Essentially accusing legit voters that they're not legit smacks of lacking due process. While it doesn't carry that force, it's easily enough to piss off said legit voters and every civil rights organization in the state. Ham-handed bad move. Should have gotten their act together first, then it would have been admirable.

Carlos Ponce

Steve posts, "it's easily enough to piss off said legit voters and every civil rights organization in the state." Half right.
Do you feel pis*ed off, Steve? No one I know is so you'll be the one and only. It really doesn't bother anyone, even those asked to prove citizenship (unless they can't!)
Civil Rights groups pis*ed off? Of course. Without being pis*ed off about every little thing they would lose what political power they THINK they have.

George Croix

"Essentially accusing legit voters that they're not legit smacks of lacking due process.'
Steve the whole point is it's not KNOWN whether the registered voters are all legit, and suspected they are not.
It would seem that folks who have no problem with accusing people of Russian collusion without due process would be a little more careful about such objections...[wink]
NONE of this EVER gets ANY answer from you or anyone else as to WHAT is bad about making sure that voter roles only have legal voters on them?
All ya'll do is skate around the subject or blast the messenger for daring to ask.
Blast away...I don't care....it's pretty obvious, so far, ya'll all opposed to weeding out illegitimate voters and dancing around the excuse pole to do so have ZERO real reason for NOT wanting verified accurate as possible voting.
Ya'll would rather talk about Russians, not one of which cast a single ballot.......

Steve Fouga

So Carlos and George would be fine being accused as illegitimate voters. Okay, fair enough, I know you're legit and can prove it. But if I were accused, I'd prove the accusers wrong, and then I'd be pissed as hell, probably forever, at whomever did the accusing. Maybe pissed enough to organize, in this case, a Democratic, Hispanic backlash. Texas is about to become blue state, quicker than I thought. A few more shenanigans like this, and it'll be 2020 rather than 2024!

Casting a net this wide will ALWAYS snare a few lawbreakers and ALWAYS grab some law-abiding folks. That's not how it's supposed to work, here in the U.S. Texas, get your ducks in a row before accusing 95,000 people. You look like idiots, totally incompetent.

As for Mueller, how many innocent folks do you think his investigation has accused. So far, it's NONE. Comparing this to the Mueller investigation is not a very good counterpoint.

That said, I'm all for letting only qualified people vote. But do it more intelligently, please. You're making Texas a laughingstock. [tongue][tongue][tongue][tongue][tongue]

Carlos Ponce

"So Carlos and George would be fine being accused as illegitimate voters."
There are no accusations being made, Steve. The county is just asking for verification for their records - easily provided. Since I was born in this county and they maintain birth certificates all they have to do is check their own records.
Are you being accused of anything when asked to produce ID at an airport?
Here's Steve at the airport:
"No I'm not going to provide identification! You're accusing me of being a terrorist!!!!!"

George Croix

"So Carlos and George would be fine being accused as illegitimate voters."

You related to those other guys who make up their own narratives.....???

What an interesting statement.
A logical, if silly, extension of it and the rest of that post would be we should not accuse anyone of any crime, lest they be PO'd....
Well, the Constitution guarantees our rights to be PO'd, so it's got our backs....

George Croix

ps:
"Casting a net this wide will ALWAYS snare a few lawbreakers and ALWAYS grab some law-abiding folks. That's not how it's supposed to work, here in the U.S. Texas, get your ducks in a row before accusing 95,000 people. You look like idiots, totally incompetent."

Thanks for making my point, even if you do contradict yourself.

"That's not how it's supposed to work..." is EXACTLY how the Mueller investigation IS being conducted...looking for a crime after deciding who's guilty of something.
That's the opposite of looking for who committed a crime.

"As for Mueller, how many innocent folks do you think his investigation has accused. So far, it's NONE. Comparing this to the Mueller investigation is not a very good counterpoint."

How many?
ALL of them, until proven otherwise.
One, THE MAIN TARGET, hasn't been.

The Mueller investigation is the opposite of this illegal voter hunt. As I said. I can only say it, not understand for others.

Of course, MALDEF would agree with you, as they have alleged that the State is REALLY targeting hispanics and trying to frame them for voter registration fraud, rather than having evidence of voter registration fraud and looking for people involved in it.
Or, the usual race baiting politics of the left....by any other name.....

Steve Fouga

No, Carlos, airport security is not analogous to asking a certain group of people to prove they're legitimate voters. A security line includes EVERYBODY wanting to get on the airplane. Had Texas decided to check EVERYBODY, that would be different. Then it would just be a waste of money.

Steve Fouga

No, George, that would be an ILLOGICAL extension. When we accuse people of crimes, we are careful to gather evidence ahead of time, so we have a reasonable chance of a conviction, and so we don't accuse a person who is likely innocent. We don't do it 95,000 at a time. This is akin to arresting everybody within a mile of bank that just got robbed, and sorting it out later.

Carlos Ponce

"A security line includes EVERYBODY wanting to get on the airplane."
Steve REALLY believes that? Everybody.
Here is your application to bypass screenings:
https://www.immigrationvisatravel.com/apps/TSA_PreCheck_Application.pdf
"Designated low risk travelers on domestic and international flights can fast track security at participating US airports. This means that low risk travelers who join the TSA Precheck program no longer need to stand in line waiting for security checks and do not need to remove items of clothing or show laptops and liquid bags. (TSA may still add random security checks)"
EVERYBODY, Steve????????

Steve Fouga

George, it just finally dawned on me that you don't understand the Mueller investigation. Not its purpose, it's processes, or its effectiveness. You are believing propaganda rather than understanding its charter, including its allowable breadth. What really surprises me is that you don't understand how incredibly effective it has been, having already trapped and/or convicted several of the president's closest associates, despite having only been working for a couple years.

It's hard for ME to understand how someone with such a lack of knowledge of the investigation could KNOW it hasn't produced any evidence incriminating the president.

Steve Fouga

You've run out of effective arguments, Carlos, so you're picking nits. I guess that's all you've got.

Carlos Ponce

"Whatever happened to Trump's manufactured voter-fraud crisis?" asked Mike Zeller.
It was not manufactured. According to the New York Times who cites Former Fraud Commission Vice-president as its source: "....the commission’s work would not end but rather would be transferred to the Department of Homeland Security, one of the federal agencies charged with ensuring election integrity and one that he said critics would find more difficult to target."
Why was it transferred? "As a White House commission, the voter-fraud panel was subject to public-disclosure requirements and other restrictions that Mr. Kobach said opponents of the inquiry had seized on in 'a determined effort by the left' to hamstring its investigation."
To make it short, A white House Commission would be challenged by Liberals but not the Department of Homeland Security.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/03/us/politics/trump-voter-fraud-commission.html

Mike Zeller

How's that workin out for ya? [smile] Where are all the voter fraud cases, brought by Homeland Security? [smile]

Carlos Ponce

Working out fine, Mike.[beam] They're doing a bang up job.
Since voter registration is under state jurisdiction, Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen said her role will be limited to assisting states looking to weed out their own voter lists. They've uncovered quite a bit. Don't you remember the list of California counties with more votes than eligible adults?
Snopes Fact Check : "What's True: Estimates of voter rolls in the counties of some states, including California, tally more registered voters than eligible adults."
But they gave it a "Mixture" status stating, "Such estimates do not encompass the entire U.S."

George Croix

Homeland Security doesn't send me email updates about their cases, Mike.
Since you evidently think all this voter fraud stuff is bunk, tell me, WHAT is the problem with making sure only legally qualified to vote people are on the roles?
Do you know, or just talking the line?

George Croix

Well, time to start hunting for that cricket sound link.....

Jim Forsythe

Carlos said: "Don't you remember the list of California counties with more votes than eligible adults?"
Los Angeles County’s registrar of voters, Dean Logan, explained that the names on the inactive voter list are kept so as to not disenfranchise or discourage voters.
Combining “inactive voter” and “active voter” lists resulted in a higher total number of registered voters that Judicial Watch says raises suspicions.
Santa Cruz County (109 percent) was because of the 44,172 people on Santa Cruz County’s inactive list. The other counties in question did the same.

George Croix

"Los Angeles County’s registrar of voters, Dean Logan, explained that the names on the inactive voter list are kept so as to not disenfranchise or discourage voters.
Combining “inactive voter” and “active voter” lists resulted in a higher total number of registered voters that Judicial Watch says raises suspicions."
Well, there ya go...their lists, by their own admission, ARE inaccurate....one cannot be BOTH active and inactive, and that 'disenfranchisement' BS is, well, BS....
Nothing new for California......

Carlos Ponce

"Los Angeles County’s registrar of voters, Dean Logan, explained that the names on the inactive voter list are kept so as to not disenfranchise or discourage voters."
That sounds like an excuse for ineptness. Problem is - there's only one list. Suddenly Grandma springs up from her grave to vote!

Jim Forsythe

"Grandma springs up from her grave to vote! " You may believe that someone can come back from the dead but California would require them to show ID before they could vote. I do not believe this is possible, as when you die you are not coming back. Maybe you have some examples of this happening in California?

Texas and California have different voting laws and trying to make our laws fit them, does not work.
They use the method that if you are away for collage, (one of the reasons) you are shifted to the inactive list, and when you are ready to vote again you are moved back to the active list after showing ID. When outside groups try to add these two groups they may get more people than actually are eligible. The question should not be how many are on the combined list ,but how many actually voted. In the case of Los Angeles County in 2016, 12 people were moved from the inactive list to the active list at the time of voting because they show there ID. Once you ask to move from the inactive list you must show ID.

For the ones upset about this, what kind of ID does one have to show to vote by mail in Texas, after the first time?
This is what we need to fix, to make sure a person not listed on the mail in ballot as the voter, does not vote in Texas.

California’s National Voter Registration Act (NVRA) regulations state that although inactive voters remain on the rolls as registered voters who are eligible to vote, they do not receive “mailed election materials” (including mail-in ballots) and must “confirm residency at the polling place” in person in order to vote — standards that would severely limit or eliminate double-voting or the ability of third parties to fraudulently use inactive registrations to cast ballots:
Efforts such as the one undertaken by Judicial Watch and a similar one undertaken by another non-profit, the Public Interest Legal Foundation (PILF), are not meant to strengthen election systems but rather to bully election officials into purging voter rolls, in contrast to both the spirit and letter of federal election laws.


Carlos Ponce

Jim, a lot of registered Californians still on the ACTIVE voter list are over 115 years old. You know what, they no longer exist (at least not among the living).

George Croix

Jim, doesn't California, and several other states, have same day registration and allows it ON election day, AND issues drivers licenses, the primary means of registering, to illegal aliens. Why, yes, they do....
No chance for fraud there.....
But, the licenses look different.....??
Yep. And the 'registrars' with lines backed up will peruse each item handed to them most carefully to be sure the fine print is in order....
Sure.
Just before riding off into the sunset on their Unicorns.....

Jim Forsythe

Carlos, you will have to find something else to be upset about..
Los Angeles County will purge of its voting rolls of up to 1.5 million inactive voters from the lists of those eligible to cast ballots.

Jim Forsythe

George, it is true that licenses can be issued to immigrants without legal status in California. What also is true, the licenses include a distinctive marking and are not considered a valid form of federal identification. If poll workers can not take the time to read "federal limits apply", they should not be working the polls.
I do not know about California, but last time I voted they used a automatic license reader. No one had to say yes or no, as I would have been rejected by the machine if I was a person not eligible to vote. California may have the same type of reader.

California has same day registration and rules on how it works. The following is the requirements ( for conditional voting) which says votes cast that way will be processed before they count, We choose not to do this, but it is our choice.
Rules. Eligible citizens who missed the deadline can go to their county elections office or a designated satellite location to register and vote conditionally. Their ballots will be processed once the county elections office has completed the voter registration verification process. Voters can complete the conditional voter registration process all the way through Election Day

Closer to home, , what kind of ID does one have to show to vote by mail in Texas, after the first time? This is what we need to fix, to make sure a person not listed on the mail in ballot, as the voter, does not vote in Texas.


George Croix

I certainly agree with that last sentence, Jim.

Don Schlessinger

How silly, making people prove who they are to vote.

Jarvis Buckley

Mike- "Manufactured voter fraud crisis." Really. !!!! Sounds like
a socialist talking point one would here on MSNBC. Chris Mathews show. I don't believe you are a socialist. Don't be hoodwinked by
All these free programs . Not gonna happen.

George Croix

Soooooo predictable.......,.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8E_zMLCRNg

Gary Scoggin

Btw, I have no problem with making sure voter roles are as accurate as possible. It just seemed that this one was done pretty ham handedly by the Secretary of State.

George Croix

I'd agree.
But, it's certainly not any 'voter suppression' exercise....just a screw up.....

Ted Gillis

Just to be fair, we should make every voter prove that they are legitimate citizens, not just a few. I challenge all of you to produce these documents that Ms. Johnson is asking for next time you show up to vote, or be prepared to be turned away. Fair is fair!

George Croix

Citizens by birth versus naturalized citizens.
Apples.
Oranges.

Steve Fouga

When it comes to voting?

George Croix

When it comes to increased possibility of paperwork screw-ups or deceptions.
Increased possibility....

That's what the discussion is about, the possibility of improperly registered people who may not actually have a right to vote.
May not....

I'll make an effort to be more obvious....

Steve Fouga

Maybe you’re right. Does the law say that naturalized citizens should be treated differently than citizens by birth? I hope not, but you could be right. I’ll check.

Steve Fouga

So far, I can’t find anything stating that naturalized citizens have different or lesser rights than birth citizens.

Carlos Ponce

"So far, I can’t find anything stating that naturalized citizens have different or lesser rights than birth citizens.
Check your Constitution, Steve. Naturalized citizens cannot become president, birth citizens can. Would you call that a "lesser right"?

Steve Fouga

Voting rights, Carlos? Do they have different voting rights?

Carlos Ponce

Voting rights are not mentioned in your post, "So far, I can’t find anything stating that naturalized citizens have different or lesser rights than birth citizens." I found one instance that shows "naturalized citizens have different or lesser rights than birth citizens." Now you're dragging in things not mentioned in your post? Changing the rules in the middle, huh Steve?[rolleyes]

Steve Fouga

The thread is about voting rights. Did you let your attention drift?

Carlos Ponce

"So far, I can’t find anything stating that naturalized citizens have different or lesser rights than birth citizens."
Steve should have posted "So far, I can’t find anything stating that naturalized citizens have different or lesser VOTING rights than birth citizens."
Just going by what you posted, Steve. Far be it for me to interject something into your post which is not there.

Steve Fouga

If you would follow the gist of a thread, rather than pedantically looking for meaningless and off-topic loopholes, your posts would be less tedious.

Carlos Ponce

Give it up, Steve - unless you want forum users to interject words that aren't there into your posts. No loophole here - just responding to WHAT STEVE FOUGA ACTUALLY POSTED.

Carlos Ponce

No problem, Ted Gillis. While I keep a copy of my birth certificate in a fireproof safe I still live in the same county I was born in and the County maintains birth certificates all they have to do is look at their own records.

James Lippert

Galveston County is a remarkable county to live and do business due to the hard work of numerous County officials and employees. Cheryl Johnson leads the charge every day, working diligently on behalf of the Citizens, we should be proud of Ms. Johnson taking the lead in cleaning up the County voters role. I am sure she will be quickly vindicated at the courthouse and able to continue her good work.

George Croix

WHOLE lotta deflection and diversion and phony equivalencies, even some projecting, but, so far not a SINGLE answer to HOW it's 'suppressing votes' or 'a civil rights violation' to only have legal voters on the roles.
Not one.
Whole lotta talk, but walk....
Where's that cricket again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8E_zMLCRNg

Steve Fouga

George, it might be that most on this forum are more struck by the incompetence of the action, rather than its intent.

I have no problem with ensuring that only legit voters get to cast a vote. I do have a problem with determining said legitimacy in a clumsy and possibly inequitable manner.

George Croix

I don't think that's a 'most' thing, Steve, maybe a 'some' thing, but, imo, it's a 'most' of talking points repeating.
If one is going to allege civil rights violations and voter suppression, then can't even say WHY they say so, then perhaps further study of the matter would be beneficial before exclaiming.....
THAT, of course, does not fit our interchange, and I admit a REALLY ham handed effort was made, but it should be corrected, and continued under better form....imo...
At least SOME effort is being made to enforce the laws, rather than make excuses for not doing so......

Steve Fouga

As with the wall, I agree with you that something should be done. Frugal, competent, and effective... [whistling]

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