WASHINGTON

“Where are they?” a Trump supporter demanded in a crowd of dozens roaming the halls of the Capitol, bearing Trump flags and pounding on doors.

They — lawmakers, staff members and more — were hiding under tables, hunkered in lockdowns, saying prayers and seeing the fruits of the country’s divisions up close and violent.

Guns were drawn. A woman was shot and killed by police, and three others died in apparent medical emergencies. A Trump flag hung on the Capitol. The graceful Rotunda reeked of tear gas. Glass shattered.

On Wednesday, hallowed spaces of American democracy, one after another, yielded to the occupation of Congress.

The pro-Trump mob took over the presiding officer’s chair in the Senate, the offices of the House speaker and the Senate dais, where one yelled, “Trump won that election.”

They mocked its leaders, posing for photos in the office of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, one with his feet propped on a desk there, another sitting in the same seat Vice President Mike Pence had occupied only moments before during the proceedings to certify the Electoral College vote.

This began as a day of reckoning for President Donald Trump’s futile attempt to cling to power as Congress took up the certification of President-elect Joe Biden’s victory. It devolved into scenes of fear and agony that left a prime ritual of American democracy in tatters.

Trump told his morning crowd at the Ellipse that he would go with them to the Capitol, but he didn’t. Instead he sent them off with incendiary rhetoric.

“If you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore,” he said. “Let the weak ones get out,” he went on. “This is a time for strength.”

His lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, told the crowd, “Let’s have trial by combat.”

What happened Wednesday was nothing less than an attempted coup, said Rep. Diana DeGette, D-Colo. Sen. Ben Sasse, R-Neb., a frequent Trump critic, said, “Today, the United States Capitol — the world’s greatest symbol of self-government — was ransacked while the leader of the free world cowered behind his keyboard.”

Sasse went on: “Lies have consequences. This violence was the inevitable and ugly outcome of the president’s addiction to constantly stoking division.”

Police said they recovered two pipe bombs, one outside the Democratic National Committee and one outside the Republican National Committee and a cooler from a vehicle that had a long gun and Molotov cocktail on Capitol grounds.

Yet Trump, in a video posted 90 minutes after lawmakers were evacuated, told the insurrectionists “We love you. You’re very special,” while asking them to go home.

Authorities eventually regained control as night fell.

Heavily armed officers brought in as reinforcements started using tear gas in a coordinated effort to get people moving toward the door then combed the halls for stragglers, pushing the mob farther out onto the plaza and lawn, in clouds of tear gas, flash-bangs and percussion grenades.

Video footage also showed officers letting people calmly walk out the doors of the Capitol despite the rioting and vandalism. Only about a dozen arrests were made in the hours after authorities regained control. They said a woman was shot earlier as the mob tried to break through a barricaded door in the Capitol where police were armed on the other side.

She was hospitalized with a gunshot wound and later died.

Early on, some inside the Capitol saw the trouble coming outside the windows. Democratic Rep. Dean Phillips of Minnesota surveyed the growing crowd on the grounds not long after Trump had addressed his supporters by the Ellipse, fueling their grievances over an election that he and they say he won, against all evidence.

“I looked out the windows and could see how outmanned the Capitol Police were,” Phillips said. Under the very risers set up for Biden’s inauguration, Trump supporters clashed with police who blasted pepper spray in an attempt to hold them back.

It didn’t work. Throngs of maskless MAGA-hatted demonstrators tore down metal barricades at the bottom of the Capitol’s steps. Some in the crowd were shouting “traitors” as officers tried to keep them back. They broke into the building.

Announcements blared: Due to an “external security threat,” no one could enter or exit the Capitol complex, the recording said. A loud bang sounded as officials detonated a suspicious package to make sure it was not dangerous.

It was about 1:15 p.m. when New Hampshire Rep. Chris Pappas, a Democrat, said Capitol Police banged on his door and “told us to drop everything, get out as quickly as we could.”

“It was breathtaking how quickly law enforcement got overwhelmed by these protesters,” he told The Associated Press.

Shortly after 2 p.m., Pence and Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa were evacuated from the Senate as protesters and police shouted outside the doors.

“Protesters are in the building,” were the last words picked up by a microphone carrying a live feed of the Senate before it shut off.

Police evacuated the chamber at 2:30 p.m., grabbing boxes of Electoral College certificates as they left.

Phillips yelled at Republicans, “This is because of you!”

Rep. Scott Peters, D-Calif., told reporters he was in the House chamber when protesters began storming it. He said security officers urged lawmakers to put gas masks on and herded them into a corner of the massive room.

“When we got over to other side of the gallery, the Republican side, they made us all get down, you could see that they were fending off some sort of assault, it looked like,” he said. “They had a piece of furniture up against the door, the door, the entry to the floor from the Rotunda, and they had guns pulled.”

The officers eventually escorted the lawmakers out of the chamber.

Shortly after being told to put on gas masks, most members were quickly escorted out of the chamber. But some members remained in the upper gallery seats, where they had been seated because of distancing requirements.

Along with a group of reporters who had been escorted from the press area and Capitol workers who act as ushers, the members ducked on the floor as police secured a door to the chamber down below with guns pointed. After making sure the hallways were clear, police swiftly escorted the members and others down a series of hallways and tunnels to a cafeteria in one of the House office buildings.

Describing the scene, Democratic Rep. Jim Himes of Connecticut said, “There was a point there where officers had their guns and weapons pointed at the door; they were obviously expecting a breach through the door. It was clear that they were pretty close to pulling the trigger so they asked us all to get down in the chamber.”

As he walked out of the Capitol, Himes said he had lived in Latin America and “always assumed it could never happen here.”

“We’ve known for years that our democracy was in peril and this is hopefully the worst and final moment of it,” Himes said. “But with a president egging these people on, with the Republicans doing all they can to try to make people feel like their democracy has been taken away from them even though they’re the ones doing the taking, it’s really hard, really sad.

“I spent my entire political career reaching out to the other side,” he said. “And it’s really hard to see this.”

Democratic Illinois Rep. Mike Quigley was also in the balcony.

“It’s not good to be around terrified colleagues, with guns drawn toward people who have a barricade ... people crying. Not what you want to see,” he said.

“This is how a coup is started,” said Rep. Jimmy Gomez, D-Calif. “This is how democracy dies.”

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(56) comments

Bailey Jones

"This is not law and order. This is chaos. It is mob rule. It is dangerous. This is sedition and should be treated as such. The outgoing president incited violence in an attempt to retain power, and any elected leader defending him is violating their oath to the Constitution and rejecting democracy in favor of anarchy. Anyone indulging conspiracy theories to raise campaign dollars is complicit. Vice President Pence, who was evacuated from the Capitol, should seriously consider working with the Cabinet to invoke the 25th Amendment to preserve democracy."

- Not my words. This statement was issued by the non-partisan National Association of Manufacturers, an early supporter of the president.

https://www.nam.org/manufacturers-call-on-armed-thugs-to-cease-violence-at-capitol-11628/

Carlos Ponce

NAM is kissing up to the Democrats.

Gary Scoggin

Yep. All those socialist factory owners.

Carlos Ponce

They all want a government contract, Gary Scoggin. Just a kiss up.

Carlos Ponce

The headline is based on media claims which are unsubstantiated. They will find some pro-Trump supporters caught up in the frenzy but not the destruction that ensued. Black backpacks, black hoodies, tactics, modus operandi, etc. point to Antifa. As for the Trump paraphernalia they sported, apparently the AP has never heard of "A wolf in sheep's clothing." But it takes intelligence to figure that out.

Identify the culprits, charge them for the crimes committed, jail them, THEN label them.

Patricia C Newsom

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Jim Forsythe

Ashli Babbitt died following the lead of Trump. As I posted last week, QAnon and the Proud Boys had a huge part in this. Trump now has completed the separation of the Republicans from the party of Trump.

Ashli Babbitt, a native of San Diego, served in Afghanistan and Iraq in the Air Force before other deployments with the National Guard to Kuwait and Qatar.

On social media, Babbitt recorded combative videos about immigration policy, while expressing her support for a border wall. In early September, she tweeted a picture from a Trump boat parade in San Diego wearing a shirt that said, “We are Q,” referring to QAnon, the far-right conspiracy theory. The tweet also included the hashtag “#WWG1WGA,” an acronym used by supporters who believe in the claims that Trump was battling a group of “deep state” child abusers.

On social media, Babbitt recorded combative videos about immigration policy, while expressing her support for a border wall. In early September, she tweeted a picture from a Trump boat parade in San Diego wearing a shirt that said, “We are Q,” referring to QAnon, the far-right conspiracy theory. The tweet also included the hashtag “#WWG1WGA,” an acronym used by supporters who believe in the claims that Trump was battling a group of “deep state” child abusers.

In one of her final posts, she responded to a tweet saying many flights to D.C. were canceled because of weather. “The entire world is corrupt,” the person said. In response, Babbitt wrote: “Nothing will stop us … they can try and try and try but the storm is here and it is descending upon DC in less than 24 hours … dark to light!”

Carlos Ponce

Again, Jim quotes from Qanon. He must be a follower.

Jim Forsythe

Derrick Evans, identified himself as a Trump supporter! He was one of the terrorists that stormed the Capitol. If this is what you want for the USA, continue to support this type of person and the President that encourages this type of behavior.

"A newly elected lawmaker from West Virginia was among the mob of Trump supporters who stormed the United States Capitol on Wednesday, filming as he stood among the crowd outside a door, rushed with them inside and then wandered through the halls along with the scores of others who had breached the building.

The lawmaker, Derrick Evans, posted the video to his Facebook page, where he goes by “Derrick Evans - The Activist” Mr. Evans, who was elected as a Republican state delegate in November, posted several videos from the events of the day, both narrating and joining in “Stop the Steal” chants with throngs of other Trump supporters. In the video that was deleted ( it was saved), he is among a crowd that shoved up against a door at the Capitol’s east front. Suddenly the crowd moves quickly and the crowd rushes in, one woman screaming “We did it!” and Mr. Evans shouting “Derrick Evans is in the Capitol!”

The speaker of the West Virginia House of Delegates, Roger Hanshaw, said in a statement on Wednesday night that he had “not spoken to Delegate Evans about today’s events,” though he said he saw what was posted on social media. He added that “storming government buildings and participating in a violent intentional disruption of one of our nation’s most fundamental political institutions is a crime that should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.”

Carlos Ponce

Nothing in what you posts even suggests Derrick is a terrorist.

Cary Semar

The responsible party sits in the Oval Office. There is no doubt what he said. They have the video.

There is no doubt what the protesters did.

They have the video. The same videos are available on all media including Fox news.

Gary Miller

Cary> Are vidios now real evidence? Vidios of vote tampering were not presented as evidence by the liberal media, actually ignored by the liberal media. If they don't report it it didn't happen?

Gary Scoggin

Perhaps your all time funniest deflection, Gary M.

Carlos Ponce

Cary, here is the transcript of what Trump said. Please find where Trump is responsible for what happened.

https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-speech-save-america-rally-transcript-january-6

Carlos Ponce

Cary Semar posted " There is no doubt what he said," Now I have provided the link to the transcript of what President Trump said 16 hours ago. Can anyone point out what he said to incite the riot as Liberals claim? If you cannot, quit posting this false meme.

A Liberal Mind: Remove brain, insert Liberal propaganda, regurgitate in posts, writings AKA "LIBERAL GROUP THINK".

Cary Semar

Thank you for posting the link. I read the transcript with interest. Of course, Donald Trump never exactly stated what he wanted to happen. A careful reading of my comment reveals that I did not say Trump incited the riot. Yet, you understood my meaning. I think you also understood his meaning as well as those people in the crowd who marched to the capitol and attempted to stop the counting of the electoral votes. If you say you did not, I would say that you are disingenuous.

Carlos Ponce

Cary Semar, the riot started at the same time Trump was giving his speech. No indication the rioters were listening to it on cellular devices according to eyewitnesses. They were too far away to hear it in person.

You post: "Of course, Donald Trump never exactly stated what he wanted to happen." Yes he did:

"We’re going walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators, and congressmen and women."

and

"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

Cary Semar

No, I watched the coverage all day. I saw the video of Trump speaking at the rally, I saw the beginning of the joint session. then I saw the video of the protesters storming up the capitol steps. What you say is not possible.

Carlos Ponce

An eyewitness states the following:

"As we were able to position ourselves within 75 yards of the entrance, we noticed that among a large cadre of what appeared to be young Trump supporters there were many frankly stereotypical Antifa-looking militants waving Trump flags on the steps attempting to get to the doors as the useless barriers of portable and plastic fencing had been easily breached. These militants were at the entrance area before Trump’s speech at the Ellipse (two miles away) was finished. The speech could not have incited the subsequent mayhem. "

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/01/january_6_2020_a_day_that_will_live_in_political_infamy.html

Paula Flinn

Trump should be removed from office for inciting a riot and confined. His primary job is to protect the Constitution, the country, and the American people. It was a major failure on his part. Four people died. Many police officers were injured. The looters stole from offices, removed the American Flag, and desecrated the Capitol. Trump’s words and actions are directly responsible. He and Giuliani, who also called the mob to “combat” need to pay for this.

Bailey Jones

[thumbup] He incited the crowd to march to the capitol and overturn the election saying, "I'll be there with you." Then he threw his supporters under the bus, relinquished control of the crowd to extremists, and slunk back to his bunker to watch it all unfold on TV. He is a disgrace, and absolutely culpable - as are all who have repeated his lies. You can't spend months telling gullible morons that their country is being stolen from them, then call them to a "wild" DC rally, then tell them to march on the capitol and that victory only comes from strength, and then pretend to be surprised when they turn violent.

Ted Duck

I'm not a "gullible moron."

Bailey Jones

Well, Ted, I would hope that no one is. Here's a simple test: Consider Georgia - a conservative state run by Republicans, with an election system run by a Republican secretary of state and previously run by the current Republican governor, a staunch Trump ally. Please Google up the president's call from last weekend. The president raised allegation after allegation with the SOS, and in every case, the SOS explained why those allegations were false.

Pres - The Dominion machines were rigged

SOS - No, we verified the count by hand

Pres - The Dominion machines were moved

SOS - No Dominion machine has been moved

Pres - But the insides of the machines have been replaced

SOS - No,

Pres - but the ballots were scanned three times

SOS - no, we did an audit. They were not.

Pres - But 5000 dead people voted

SOS - it was 2

Pres - but 4500 out of state people voted

SOS - no, we checked and those were people who had moved back into the state.

Pres - But I heard there was vote shredding

SOS - No, there was not

Pres - But what about the State Farm Arena video

SOS - Your lawyer edited it to make it look like fraud. It wasn't.

Now here's the test. If you still believe that any of the president's allegations mentioned above are real, despite being investigated and debunked by Georgia's own Republican election officials and the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, then - in my humble opinion - you are a gullible moron.

If you believe statements like the following from the president constitute evidence of fraud -

"Do you think it’s possible that they shredded ballots in Fulton County? Because that’s what the rumor is."

"But they are shredding ballots, in my opinion, based on what I’ve heard."

- then, in my humble opinion, you are a gullible moron.

If you believe that a social media post (my bad - "This isn’t social media. This is Trump media.") is a source of verified evidence - then, in my humble opinion, you are a gullible moron.

I sincerely hope you scored 3 out of 3.

Carlos Ponce

Bailey posts:

"Pres - The Dominion machines were rigged

SOS - No, we verified the count by hand"

Bailey, the Dominion machines generate a paper ballot. So if you CREATE a fraudulent vote, a paper ballot is generated to accompany that vote.

DUH!

Carlos Ponce

So Bailey, saying ""I'll be there with you" incited the riot??? Looks like we found the gullible moron if that's all you have.

Read the Galveston News, Page 2 "Capital police rejected offers of Federal help to quell mob." The DC Police Chief has since resigned.

Gary Miller

Paula> One was shot by police, three died from natural causes. In a million people three dying in one day is normal.

Carlos Ponce

Paula and Bailey, Trump did NOT incite a riot.

What DID Trump say?

"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

Now show us where in his speech he incited a riot.

https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-speech-save-america-rally-transcript-january-6

Don Schlessinger

"This is not law and order. This is chaos. It is mob rule. It is dangerous." Sorta reminds us of a BLM/ANTIFA rally doesn't it. Everyone involved should be arrested and tried for the fear and damage caused by this crowd of bottom feeders. It's OUR house not Democrat, Republican, or BLM/ANTIFA.

Paula Flinn

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-protecting-american-monuments-memorials-statues-combating-recent-criminal-violence/

Trump signed this Executive Order protecting Federal Buildings from harm and saying up to 10 years in Federal Prison for violating it.

Carlos Ponce

Throw the perps into a Federal Prison. Problem is that after being charged, Democrats will bail them out. Birds of a feather....

Gary Miller

This a good example of the dishonest reporting by the media. After the rally was announced ANTIFA announced they would be there wearing Trump gear and causing as much trouble as they could. They did it but the media ignores their actions. Trump supporters, peaceful by nature, are now accused of ANTIFA's announced actions.

Bailey Jones

Gary, only the gullible believe this ANITFA nonsense. The Viking guy is Jake Angeli, a Trumpster Q-idiot who calls himself "Q Shaman". The guy sitting at Pelosi desk is Richard “Bigo” Barnett, another Trumpster Q-idiot.

Just look at the video of the slack jawed morons wandering through the Capitol. Mostly old dull eyed white people - the very definition of Trumpsters. Three of them died just walking up the Capitol steps.

ANTIFA guys are young, tough and buff - and they have the common sense to wear masks.

The rest of this Trumpster trash will be identified soon - they weren't wearing masks because their fearless leader told them they would be heroes.

Carlos Ponce

Bailey, you are labeling these perps with NO KNOWLEDGE of who they are or whom they back. An investigative reporter who appeared on Tucker Carlson's show recognized them from previous riots.

Use your brain, Bailey. Trump patriots do not climb walls nor scaffolds. Trump Patriots are family men and women.

Carlos Ponce

So now Bailey is quoting this Q person.

Bailey Jones

More identifications -

Tim Gionet is another person who was involved in breaking into Pelosi's office. A white nationalist who calls himself "Baked Alaska".

The man stealing one of the Capitol's lecterns is Adam Johnson, from Parrish, Florida, a "stay at home dad".

A Texas company, Goosehead Insurance, said it has fired Paul Davis, its associate general counsel, after his participation in Wednesday's violence. Davis posted a video complaining of being tear-gassed as the mob was trying to enter the Capitol.

The woman who was killed is Ashli E. Babbitt, an Air Force veteran, a libertarian and supporter of President Trump, according to her social media posts, as well as a follower of the far-right conspiracy theory known as QAnon.

Proud Boy, Nick Ochs, tweeted a selfie inside the building saying "Hello from the Capital lol". He also filmed a live stream inside.

Gary Scoggin

I just don't understand why good people like that would join Antifa.

Carlos Ponce

Tim Gionet was a Trump supporter briefly but backed away because of Trump's Jewish son-in-law, daughter and grandchild. He is very anti-Semitic.

Carlos Ponce

Gary Scoggin posts, " I just don't understand why good people like that would join Antifa." Perhaps George Soros pays a lot.

Wayne D Holt

Here's one for you. Indepdendent journalist Andy Ngo (like the real kind that investigates things) reported one of the men who was part of the siege of the Capitol building is John Earle Sullivan, an extreme BLM activist from Utah. He was arrested & charged with third degree rioting in July 2020 over a BLM-antifa riot where drivers in Provo were threatened & one was shot. He is clearly seen in videos from the Capitol building. Sullivan is part of the Insurgence USA group, according to a police affidavit.

You also may have missed the images of the flyers Antifa distributed before Jan 6 urging their fellow knuckleheads to wear MAGA gear and blend in with the demonstrators. This is the same technique they used in other cities. Nothing is beneath these tough, buff leftist terrorists that you seem to pant after.

Bailey Jones

No need for "independent journalist" Andy Ngo, Wayne. Sullivan was interviewed by Anderson Cooper the night of the insurrection. (He had video of the shooting of the woman.) He claims he was there to document the actions of the pro-Trump extremists. He heads up a group called Insurgence USA, an anti-fascist organization. I'm sure his video is getting a good looking over by the feds.

Carlos Ponce

John Sullivan is an anti Trump man. So much for the false story that only Trump Patriots entered the Capitol.

Wayne D Holt

ANTIFA guys are young, tough and buff - and they have the common sense to wear masks.

You. Have. Got. To. Be. Kidding. Antifa uses baseball bats on old people carrying the American flag down the street. They work in roving packs. When they meet the Proud Boys, without exception they get their asps kicked even when they're wielding all sorts of homemade weapons.

They're cowards and they have been at the epicenter of the destruction of federal property for most of the year (it continues in Portland). They shine lasers into the eyes of LEO on the other side of a chainlink fence who would make mincemeat out of them if they were turned loose on them. Gutless, the masks are to obscure their identities during criminal acts, not because they are in the Fauci Fan Club.

You really have gone around the bend on this one, Bailey.

Bailey Jones

Sorry if you didn't get the joke, Wayne. Look - this is simple. There were 100s of insurrectionists there inside the Capitol and they're all on video. They will all be arrested and charged. So far the stars of the day (Viking guy, Pelosi guy, shot lady, lady trampled to death while carrying a Don't Tread on Me flag, lectern guy) have all been Trumpsters and Qidiots. If there were leftist anarchists there as well, they will be also arrested, charged, and identified. I'm not aware of any factual basis for the idea that this was not an insurrection of, by, and for pro-Trump Qidiots.

Carlos Ponce

I agree with Wayne: "You really have gone around the bend on this one, Bailey."

Wayne D Holt

Bailey, can you offer any evidence that you castigated the Left demonstrators who beat on the interior doors of the Supreme Court during the Kavanaugh confirmation? Perhaps a quote you made taken from a post here? I want to believe you are even handed in your judgement of unacceptable behavior no matter who does it but conservatives always seem to be judged in the worst possible light while the Bolshevik Lite mob seem to get the Committees of Correspondence treatment from you.

What the videos show in both instances are about the same behavior. If the Kavanaugh crowd were demonstrators, so were the Trump supporters. If the Trump supporters were insurrectionists, so was the Left in the earlier instance.

And one more point that seems to me to be crucial: Trump supporters were concerned a whole lot more with the corruption of the process than they were with returning Trump for another term. There will literally hundreds of affidavits sworn under penalty of perjury that the affiants directly observed illegal activity in this election. People were NOT asking for the election to be overturned; they were asking the courts and Congress to examine the evidence or turn the process back to the states to fairly examine if there was widespread and organized fraud. In the most outrageous example of political deceit and timidity, the Supreme Court did not want to become involved in the "political process". Exactly what is the Supreme Court for if not to resolve ruptures of the national polity of this magnitude?

What was seen in Washington were 500,000 folks demanding redress of their grievances.. When the courts and Congress are not willing to meet that obligation, it only invites more violent reaction to the lack of meaningful attention. This is not some throwaway issue. This goes to the heart of what a constitutional republic is supposed to stand for. If the system that was devised to address just such momentous issues is completely unresponsive to 70 million+ Americans, the anger will boil over in ways that are not nearly as wholesome.

It's not insurrection when the government you're changing no long resembles the institution defined in our founding documents. It's restoration.

Bailey Jones

No Wayne, I don't believe I ever castigated the Kavanaugh protesters for banging on the doors of the Supreme Court.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRnmnxVtDqg

Had the Trump insurrectionists merely banged on the doors of the Capitol and made a lot of noise I wouldn't be castigating them now. I believe that was the original intention of the march and the vast majority of the marchers - to surround the Capitol and make a lot of noise - to literally be heard by their representatives. But that's not what happened, was it?

I take it that you still believe the fiction of massive voter fraud. I call it fiction because - even 2 months later - no evidence has been presented which has withstood the scrutiny of law enforcement, the DOJ, or the courts. As I have posted elsewhere, if you do believe this fiction of massive voter fraud, and what we'll call the massive cover up of the fraud by the sitting government, deep state, big tech, liberal press, then the violence we saw on Wednesday is perfectly understandable, indeed inevitable. If I believed that fiction and was younger, buffer and tougher, I would have been there myself.

It's not the protest, per se, that's the issue here. It's that the president has created this fiction and promulgated it to millions of his loyal followers who will believe anything he says. That's an incitement of insurrection. I go back to the example of yelling fire in a theater. If there really is a fire you're a hero. If there isn't, you're a criminal.

There's not going to be agreement between us on this, because we have different standards of evidence, as we've discussed before. But I will promise you this. When the report on the insurrection comes out from the FBI, DOJ, or whoever, describing the who, what, when, where, and how of it, I will suspend whatever preconceptions and prejudices I have and believe what that report says. I hope you will do the same.

Ted Gillis

Did the die walking up the steps or did their motorized scooters tip over half the way up?

Carlos Ponce

Ted, you're not making any sense...again. Please rewrite with corrections so wewill understand. We cannot read your mind. THANK GOD!

Carlos Ponce

Transcript:

https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-speech-save-america-rally-transcript-january-6

Now find where Trump incited the riot or admit IT'S NOT THERE!

Ted Gillis

Why don’t you just skip over any comments that you don’t understand, like most of us do with yours.

Gary Scoggin

Some people here are impervious to facts. I just skip over them.

Carlos Ponce

Some people here are impervious to facts. I just tell them the facts.

Curtiss Brown

Wayne, you are being lied to. The Georgia election officials were on 60 minutes tonight and clearly explained away the lies being told about their election. You ask for courts and yet 60 judges have found no credible evidence. Affidavits are a dime a dozen from this crazy crowd. Nothing they say is supported by physical evidence. This entire play by the President is a lie and you are buying into it.

Carlos Ponce

Truth is coming out soon, Curtis. You've been gas lighted.

Bailey Jones

Affidavits don't qualify as evidence of anything, except what someone saw or heard. Whether what they saw or heard was a crime is another matter entirely. An example that has been reported:

"I swear under penalty of perjury that I saw poll workers opening and counting mail-in ballots without checking the signatures on the envelopes."

Wow - that doesn't sound good.

But then the guy who is overseeing the election speaks up - "Yes, the person counting the ballots doesn't check the signature. That's done in a previous step by someone else. The ballot counters only get verified ballots. Having the person who checks the signature also count the ballot introduces an opportunity for bias."

So we see how an affidavit that is used as "evidence" of election fraud is actually evidence of election security.

People of goodwill acting on incomplete information often come to erroneous conclusions. This is why we have professionals running our elections, our law enforcement investigations, and our courts.

Carlos Ponce

"Affidavits don't qualify as evidence of anything...." Wrong again, Bailey. Try telling that to a lawyer.

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