In response to Roberto Torres' latest commentary ("Civic leaders must denounce hate groups and Trump," The Daily News, Aug. 21): Torres called for a denouncement of President Trump because in Torres' eyes President Trump did not vociferously enough denounce the white nationalists that marched in Charlottesville.

Part of what Torres' pointed to was President Trump's statements about Mexican immigrants knowing full well that President Trump called the Cayotes rapists, murderers, and criminals and not all illegal immigrants coming from Mexico. As for the Muslim ban, Torres again puts forth a falsehood knowing that President Trump wanted a temporary ban on immigration from certain countries because of possible terrorist infiltration until a better plan of vetting could be put into place.

As an officer of the court, anyone who falsely testified against someone he was examining he would have them held liable for their actions. One of the wisest men who ever lived once said, "Even a fool is counted wise when he holds his peace..."

Torres shows himself unwise because he supports people who elected a Grand Klegal of the KKK as a senator, who thinks Antifa is non-violent and Black Lives Matter is not racist and based on falsehoods.

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Carlos Ponce

Trump's comments about Mexico sending us "rapists, murderers, and criminals" among the "good people" was truthful. Some people can't handle the truth. The Pollyannas of this country want to believe everyone who enters this country illegally comes in with the best of intentions and wants to become a citizen. That's simply not true. If you bribe them, Mexican officials give criminals the option of leaving the country, main destination USA. Otherwise their prisons would be overcrowded. Citizenship? Most are here to make money, not to become citizens. Criminal activity especially drug dealing makes quick money. I've heard of many who have bought "ranchos de retiro" in their "patria" (retirement ranches back in their home country).
As Trump said, "some are good people" but all should come in legally.

Steve Fouga

[thumbup]

Mark Aaron

"Some people can't handle the truth."

Yes, your refusal to admit to either Trump's endless lies or his blatant bigotry never ceases to amaze me, Carlos.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/lindavaldez/2017/08/03/donald-trump-bigotry-hurts-white-people/536745001/

Carlos Ponce

But your blatant bigotry is typical of the average Liberal. It must be terrible to hate so much Mark. Why do it? . Linda Valdez is just a contributor who wrote the op-ed piece you cite. She's just a Liberal posting the Democratic party line. Just another "Mark Aaron". Her web site lists her as a "Proud Liberal." Biased? You bet.
Other web sites describe her as " the dedicated far-left radical". The selection you cite is nonsense.

Mark Aaron

" Her web site lists her as a "Proud Liberal." Biased? You bet."

Poor Carlos, consumed by your hatred of Liberals and common sense.

Carlos Ponce

"Yes, your refusal to admit to either Trump's endless lies or his blatant bigotry never..." blah, blah, blah
Your hatred of Trump is so evident. if you would see the truth, Trump is doing a good job. But you refuse. All you do is repeat the fictional DNC talking points. You and Torres are two peas in a pod. You're just another mouthpiece for the Democratic Party - the party of failed policies. Those you can't beat in elections you demonize.

Mark Aaron

"Your hatred of Trump is so evident. if you would see the truth, Trump is doing a good job. But you refuse. All you do is repeat the fictional DNC talking points. You and Torres are two peas in a pod. You're just another mouthpiece for the Democratic Party - the party of failed policies. Those you can't beat in elections you demonize. "

Your hatred has blinded you Carlos. This is the headline from Newsweek today:

"Trump Impeachment Is Most Popular Solution Among Americans, Poll Says"

It goes on to say:

"Harvard University’s Center for American Political Studies and research marketing firm Harris Insights and Analytics this week published the results of their monthly national poll, in which respondents were given three choices for how to deal with the president: 43 percent said he should be impeached or otherwise removed from office, while 42 percent said nothing should be done and 12 percent said he should be censured by Congress."

But of course you will tell us it is "fake news." You'll almost certainly tell us this is "fake news" too:

"Trump setting records for low presidential approval. Plunging into undesirably uncharted territory, Trump is setting records with his dismally low approval rating. At 34 percent, his current approval rating is worse than former President Barack Obama's ever was"

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/26/trump-setting-records-for-low-presidential-approval.html

Carlos Ponce

Again you side columns with polls. And Newsweek is no longer known for their objectivity. BORING! [yawn]

Mark Aaron

"And Newsweek is no longer known for their objectivity. "

According to who, other than you, Carlos? Rush Limbaugh, David Duke?

Carlos Ponce

According to
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/newsweek/
they have moderate Liberal bias. I disagree. They have gone further Left.
"Over the last few years its content has shifted more to the left. If this trend continues this source may move to Left bias. (5/18/2016)"
According to them FOX News has a right bias but a Harvard Study showed on Trump, 52% of reports were negative, 48% were positive. That's closer to center than the 93% negative Trump coverage from CNN and NBC.
https://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-donald-trumps-first-100-days/

Jarvis Buckley

Roberts words are that of an upset left winger. Doesn't care who or what he hurts . He just has this uncontrollable urge to degrade our President & our country's history.
Which we have learned from.

Mark Aaron

"Roberts words are that of an upset left winger. Doesn't care who or what he hurts . He just has this uncontrollable urge to degrade our President & our country's history."

People have more than just cause to fault Trump. The entire planet, for the most part, faults Trump for his bigotry and ineptitude. That is reflected again and again in polls which find Trump the most detested president in modern American history. The latest polls show his favorability at a pathetic 34%.

Carlos Ponce

Only a fool believes in polls without scrutiny. Check their demographics. They over poll Liberals.

Mark Aaron

"Only a fool believes in polls without scrutiny. Check their demographics. They over poll Liberals."

Everyone is wrong but you, eh Carlos? Are you familiar with the Dunning–Kruger effect? It might help you peace of mind to look into it.

Carlos Ponce

Mark, check the Demographics. Those polls are skewed to the left.

Mark Aaron

"Mark, check the Demographics. Those polls are skewed to the left."

So poll, after poll, after poll, are all skewed, eh? You are embarrassing yourself Carlos. So sad.

Carlos Ponce

I've checked the demographics. Have you are are you just making it up as usual? If you have you will know I am truthful.

Keith Gray

Are we talking about the same polls that predicted Ms H... the elitist who is above the law, as Madam President? HAHAHAHA

George Croix

Let him talk. The more examples of how NOT to conduct oneself, the better...

Mark Aaron

"Let him talk. The more examples of how NOT to conduct oneself, the better..."

I thought Carlos was a friend of yours, George. Kindered spirits and all that.

Carlos Ponce

Obfuscation, Mark. How funny!

Mark Aaron

"Obfuscation, Mark. How funny!"

It's called humor. You should try it rather than your endless insults. They do get a little old, Carlos.

Carlos Ponce

The only time I insult is when I am returning one.[beam]
It's called "tit for tat".

Mark Aaron

"The only time I insult is when I am returning one."

No one on this board insults more than you do Carlos. You might want to take a moment and think about that.

Mark Aaron

"Torres shows himself unwise because he supports people who elected a Grand Klegal of the KKK as a senator, who thinks Antifa is non-violent and Black Lives Matter is not racist and based on falsehoods."

Where are all of the voices around here when a right winger starts spewing hate? They sure are quick to jump on anyone from the middle or left when they criticize Trump or the GOP.

As for the KKK senator you miss several important facts. The senator you refer to is the venerable Robert Byrd, who decades ago renounced the KKK and his own part in obstructing the civil rights legislation of the 60's.

Sen. Byrd was part of the "Dixiecrats" in the 50's and 60's. After civil rights legislation was passed the Dixiecrats left the Democratic party. Ronald Reagan and his dirty tricks man Lee Atwater concocted the "Southern Strategy" and invited the former Democratic racists and bigots to join Reagan's coalition, which they did and where they remain today, now part of the Trump coalition. It explains why Trump is so reluctant to call them on their bigotry now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

Your claim about Black Lives Matter is similarly in error.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Lives_Matter

Paula Flinn

"Where are all the voices around here when a right winger starts spewing hate?" We are here, Mark, and have voiced our support months and weeks ago against some of the same conservatives who attack the messenger instead of the message. Some just speak condescendingly to the messenger. Some are very fair. You seem to be holding your own very well, so rather than commenting, I am reading. [smile] I agree with you.[smile]

Carlos Ponce

who's spewing hate, Paula? Neo-Nazis, KKK, white supremacists are not "right wingers". Remember NAZI means National Socialists, definitely not from the "right".

Mark Aaron

"who's spewing hate, Paula?"

Ohh, ask me ,ask me. I know!

Carlos Ponce

You've had your turn, Mark. Let someone else answer.

Carlos Ponce

Quiz for Paula:
The president who freed the slaves belonged to which political party?
The states who seceded from the US had legislatures of which political party?
The KKK was formed by members of which political party?
The "Jaybird Primaries" of Fort Bend County excluded Black Americans from voting in their primaries saying their party was a private organization which did not permit Blacks. Which party are they referring to?
US Senator Robert Byrd (Hillary Clinton's mentor by her own admission) was Kleagle and Exalted Cyclops of his local chapter of the KKK. He belonged to which party?
When the Civil Rights Acts were enacted which Party had a greater percentage of their members voting for those acts?
Has Donald J Trump ever accepted endorsement from ANY white supremacist group?

Mark Aaron

"The KKK was formed by members of which political party?"

Do you know where the racist "Dixiecrats" went after they lost their fight against civil rights in the 1960's Carlos. Here's a hint, not the Democratic Party. Look up "Southern Strategy" if you are interested in the truth. Here, I'll even post a link for you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

Carlos Ponce

Historical fact that a few "Dixiecrats" became Republics. They renounced their evil ways and repented. But many remained loyal to the Democratic Party. I know a few that are still loyal to the Democrats. We disagree on politics but we're not disagreeable unlike others.[rolleyes]

Mark Aaron

"Historical fact that a few "Dixiecrats" became Republics. They renounced their evil ways and repented."

I'm sure you desperately want to believe that Carlos, but you are wrong. You only have to look to Charolettesville to hear them chanting "Unite the Right, unite the Right."

Carlos Ponce

Like I pointed out before, some can't handle the truth. And you're reading too much into people who chanted "unite the right". They're not the Right. Their actions show no signs of Conservatism. Only a fool would think they're the "Right". And that includes the Leftist Media.

Mark Aaron

"They're not the Right. Their actions show no signs of Conservatism. Only a fool would think they're the "Right". And that includes the Leftist Media."

Your response, Carlos, is what is known as the "no true Scotsman" logical fallacy.

Mark Aaron

"If you still want someone whose mentor was a member of the KKK then let her run again."

Poor Carlos, So desperate, so filled with hate.

Mark Aaron

You're a peach Paula. Thanks for being here.

George Croix

Well, a half-motto is better than no motto at all......[beam][beam][beam][beam]

Jack Cross

Too many comments, no ones minds changed, yes Torres is full of it, but he's not the problem. People need to understand that both political parties have dropped the ball. The system is corrupted, the politicians use the people for self gain. They stir it up them people fight among themselves while re electing the jerks. Meanwhile the big money lobbyist call the shots and the country goes to hell. That's why these discussions never have a winner.

Mark Aaron

That is a false equivalence Jack. One side is much more culpable in this debate. Democrats didn't elect Trump.

Carlos Ponce

"Democrats didn't elect Trump." Yes, they wanted Hillary.[scared]

Mark Aaron

"Yes, they wanted Hillary."

We, and most of the world still do. That you still cling to Trump despite his lies, crimes, and treason do not speak well of you Carlos.

Carlos Ponce

If you still want someone whose mentor was a member of the KKK then let her run again. What turned a lot of voters off was they felt the "fix" was in to nominate her. Bernie won primaries but Hillary got the delegates, often "SUPER DELEGATES". That did not sit well with many Democrats I know, especially the young Bernie Sanders supporters.

Carlos Ponce

No hate here. Just trying to figure Mark Aaron. On the one hand he despises the KKK but on the other he wants someone whose mentor was a member of the KKK for president. Confusing unless you consider the source of that confusion.[whistling]

Jarvis Buckley

Republicans get voter support with creating jobs & business opportunity's Democrats get voter support with hand-out programs. Or so it seems.

Mark Aaron

"Republicans get voter support with creating jobs & business opportunity's Democrats get voter support with hand-out programs. Or so it seems."

It may seem that way if you get your "news" from Fox News. Facts tell an entirely different story, Jarvis. From Time Magazine:

_In fact, there has been growth of at least 2 million jobs in each of President Obama's last six years in office, and there have been 75 consecutive months of jobs growth, a modern-day record._

Mark Aaron

http://time.com/money/4636761/jobs-barack-obama-presidency/

Carlos Ponce

Jobs were created during the Obama administration. If you take a decent job with good hours and cut it in half you now double your employment but take home pay is halved. Why cut the job in half? To avoid having to provide insurance under Obamacare. Good for your unemployment numbers, bad for the workers.

Mark Aaron

"Why cut the job in half? To avoid having to provide insurance under Obamacare."

Poor deluded Carlos, duped yet again. From CNBC:

_The sky didn't fall when Obamacare went into effect — and the number of people working part-time didn't rise, either._

https://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/05/obamacare-had-little-effect-on-part-time-employment-study.html

wmaceo@att.net Maceo

Anyone who thinks Trump is NOT a racist, consider this: twice HUD successfully sued Trump, his father and the Trump Organization because his properties were blantanly refusing to rent to blacks Htede encouraged violence at his campaigns towards blacks, Mexicans and Muslims. He insu.

Carlos Ponce

Old news. Donald was in his mid 20s when those apartments were made. He was named President of the company when the allegations and lawsuit were filed. His father Fred C. Trump was the responsible party.
What was the outcome?
Thrown in jail? No.
Heavily fined? No.
Outcome was to take out a newspaper ad saying Trump Management does not discriminate in renting apartments.
“In the end the government couldn’t prove its case, and we ended up making a minor settlement without admitting any guilt.” -Donald J. Trump
The Trumps owned several apartment complexes in Brooklyn totalling14,000 units.
40% of the tenants in "Patio Gardens" were Black but the other complexes had much fewer, "Ocean Terrace" and "Lincoln Shore". Those complexes had a large Jewish tenant population. The Lawsuit singled out Blacks but did not want to know the large number of Jews, Puerto Ricans, Italian Americans, and other ethnic minorities Trump Management had leased to.

Mark Aaron

Carlos the Trump apologist.

Carlos Ponce

No, just a purveyor of truth.[beam]

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