Why is no one asking, "Why did the Russians go to so much effort to assure Trump's election?"

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Mike Zeller

I'm sure Robert Mueller knows the answer to that question. Now all he has to do is figure out, who's going down with the ship. I guess we will have to wait and see if the captain jumps ship, or goes down with the crew. There also seems to be amnesia with Trump World, when the word Russia is mentioned, or is it just "convenient forgetfulness".

Carlos Ponce

When it's such a big "nothing" would anyone remember?
And when it comes to "convenient forgetfulness", the First Lady in 1994 replied "I do not recall", "I do not remember" Fifty times during the Travelgate Congressional hearings.
Then as a candidate for president, the former First Lady replied Forty times in 2016 "I do not recall" or its equivalent in an FBI inquiry into her emails.
Do you remember this, Mike, or is it just "convenient forgetfulness" on your part?

Doyle Beard

Never seen a liberal that does not have convenient memory. Its called hypocrisy.

Tommy Turner

How does she matter in this discussion ? Trump is in definition of the word , a traitor . He and Spy- sir are traitors . This is the a bad time for decent hard working Americans . Trump will never do anything to help the elderly or middle class . He only uses them .

Carlos Ponce

Sorry Tommy, nothing Trump has been accused of falls into the legal definition of traitor. And the decent hard working citizens of this country are the ones who voted for him and are happy with this administration.
"Trump will never do anything to help the elderly or middle class . He only uses them ." That's A progressive/Liberal, Democrat Party talking point but has no basis in reality.

Larry Williams

No reason, except Aussie tries to interfere with all countries, maybe just thought a businessman instead of a crook would be better to work with, really not a big deal

Carlos Ponce

Did the Russians want Trump to win? That's what the Liberals want you to believe. But since their candidate garnered more popular votes looks like the actual candidate Russians wanted to win won the popular but not the Electoral. The Russians preferred Hillary, they could control her as they did during the Obama years and thank her for control the 20% of American uranium.

Paula Flinn

That so called "give away" of 20% of the uranium, story has been debunked by scopes.com and others for a long time. Considering the story first came from Breitbart, I am not surprised. Check it out for yourselves. Hillary was one of nine people sitting on that committee. She may have had little to nothing to do with it, as she had no veto power. There is no evidence to back up the claim, as it never occurred. It is false. It is fake news.

The reason the Russians wanted Trump to win is that there is a BIG oil deal pending ($500 Billion) for drilling in Russia, that will benefit Russia, Exxon, and Trump when the sanctions on Russia are lifted. It is common knowledge that this deal has been held up by the sanctions the US put on Russia for invading the Crimea, and now the ones for hacking into the DNC during the election. If this deal is done, it will make Putin the richest man in the world, and Putin is busy courting Trump to lift the sanctions to complete the deal. "Follow the money."

Paula Flinn

snopes.com

Carlos Ponce

snopes. com? Riiiiiiiiigggggghhhhhttttt
And the millions the Clinton foundation got out of the deal were just imaginary.Ha! Ha1!
If a snopes article can be verified through other sources then go with it. Biut even the Leftist New York Times says Snopes is WRONG!
"Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal"
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html
Like Paula posted, "Follow the money." It led to the Clinton Foundation.
And Russia is losing its fuel customers to the USA under Trump.
Trump is Russia's WORST nightmare!
Russians loved Hillary. They can control her and did so during her Obama tenure.

Doyle Beard

PF might need to do her homework. Hillary was in agreement with the sell. Fact.

Ron Shelby

Carlos, From everything reported, the Russians did not "prefer" Hillary. In fact, Putin strongly disliked Hillary. Trump was the convenient alternative to throw a wrench in things. And I'm sure that some of the Wealthy Russians with condo's in Trump tower influenced the decision to support him as well. A large faction of people tend to vote for someone to get (or keep) another candidate out. Hence the reason "smear" campaigns work so well.

Carlos Ponce

So you believe everything reported. Hmmmmm.

Norman Pappous

Who has seen any evidence that the Russians wanted DJT to win? For that matter who has seen the evidence that Russia meddled in the election? I appreciate that some powerful people claim that happened. But I'd like to actually see the evidence. I remember the certainty that accompanied the claims of WMD in Iraq. And considering the quantity of leaks coming from the intel services, their character is not above reproach.

Jarvis Buckley

Only the liberals think the Russians
wanted Pres. Trump to win. They most definitely would have preferred
Hillary. Give her husband$$ for
speaking & the MSM goes silent.

Doyle Beard

plus russian donations to her foundation and the uranium deal

Richard Martin

If the Russians wanted Trump to win, it was because they wanted a better relationship with the United States and less likelihood for war. Hmmm, not sure that's a bad reason. But, why is no one asking why Obama endorsed a candidate in the French election - wouldn't THAT be meddling in a foreign government's business? Hypocrisy in action.

Carlos Ponce

Also Obama used American Tax dollars to influence the Israeli election but his candidate lost. Obama can use "collusion" but no one else can.

Jim Forsythe

Trump on Putin. ,
In 2007, he praised Putin for “rebuilding that Russia.” A year later he added, “He does his work well. Much better than our Bush.” When Putin ripped American exceptionalism in a New York Times op-ed in 2013, Trump called it “a masterpiece.” Despite ample evidence, Trump denies that Putin has assassinated his opponents, “In all fairness to Putin, you’re saying he killed people. I haven’t seen that.” In the event that such killings have transpired, they can be forgiven: “At least he’s a leader.” And not just any old head of state: “I will tell you that, in terms of leadership, he’s getting an A.”

legislative affairs director Marc Short
Short also confirmed that the White House is lobbying Republicans to change parts of the Senate's sanctions bill that would make it more difficult for Trump to roll back or end sanctions against Moscow.

Carlos Ponce

Jim must have video showing Putin personally executing people.

Jim Forsythe

No were did I say I saw him kill someone. What was said by Trump "In the event that such killings have transpired, they can be forgiven"
Trump was saying, if he did kill someone , it was OK.
Would it be OK with you?

Also , he said " “I will tell you that, in terms of leadership, he’s getting an A.”
Does Putin get an A, by you?

Carlos Ponce

I will say he's a strong leader. But so were Satan,Stalin, Hitler Mao, Fidel etc. A person can be a strong person and still not be a decent human being or entity.

Mike Zeller

Jim doesn't need a video. "If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

Carlos Ponce

Jim needs all the help he can get.

Jim Forsythe

"But so were Satan,Stalin, Hitler Mao, Fidel"
Weren't  most of these A dictator. A dictator is a ruler who wields absolute authority.
Being a  dictator, does not make them a leader . Ruling by force, dose not make a leader.
Did Hitler have video's (film) of all he killed?
Unless you think that the millions that died, because of him, did not happen!

Mike Zeller

Carlos, I'm helping you.

Carlos Ponce

Study history Jim. They did not assume leadership because they were dictators. Rather they assumed power through leadership then became dictators.

Carlos Ponce

And Hitler ordered the deaths of many but did not do the actual killing. In the end God will judge him.
Obama took credit for the death of Osama Bin Laden. Does that make him a murderer?

Jim Forsythe

When someone declares war on the USA , bad things may happen to them If this upset you, so be it..
"He declared a war against the United States, initiating a series of bombings and related attacks. Bin Laden was on the American Federal Bureau of Investigation's (FBI) lists of Ten Most Wanted Fugitives and Most Wanted Terrorists for his involvement in the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings."

Dictator ,1934.
"President Hindenburg, died on August 2nd, 1934, and Hitler assumes the title of President and Chancellor, naming himself Fuhrer of the German Reich, and with no political opposition, he was OFFICIALLY a dictator.
Following Hitler's rise to power, the German government passed laws to exclude Jews from civil society, most prominently the Nuremberg Laws of 1935.  After the outbreak of war in 1939 both German and foreign Jews were herded into wartime ghettos. In 1941, as Germany began to conquer new territory in the East, all anti-Jewish measures radicalized. Specialized paramilitary units called Einsatzgruppen murdered around two million Jews in mass shootings in less than a year. By mid-1942, victims were regularly being transported by freight trains to extermination camps. Most who survived the journey were systematically killed in gas chambers. This continued until the end of World War II in Europe in April–May 1945."
Stalin killed more, although neither ordered killing directly. They often just hinted at it. Hitler hinted at the killling of 17 million. Stalin has estimated murders of between 3 and 60 million people - it is currently generally said that he killed over 20 million people during his leadership.

"Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal."
~Martin Luther King, jr.

Carlos Ponce

Nice, but it doesn't answer my question.

Jim Forsythe

"And Hitler ordered the deaths of many but did not do the actual killing. In the end God will judge him."
He has already been judged by man.

"Obama took credit for the death of Osama Bin Laden. Does that make him a murderer? "
No, because he was commander and chief, of a country that had been declared war on. If that was true , than every President that had someone die from the other side, would be guilty of murder.

Hitler was a dictator that order Millions to death ,and not because someone declared war on Germany.

Carlos Ponce

"than every President that had someone die from the other side, would be guilty of murder" That's the point.

Jim Forsythe

When a leader has said that we will destroy you, and you stop him, is different than a dictator that in charge of a country, tries' to wipe out   "certain" groups, by warped grotesque vile  means, that may be OK by some , but no me .
You may think what Hitler did was OK , but not me.
You can make a case for Hitler if you want.

Carlos Ponce

What Hitler did is NOT OK.

George Croix

From Politico, pretty much a polar opposite of conservative, in an article from one year ago come tomorrow.
Lest we forget, or simply never bother to question why an agenda driven, dishonest by omission media only tells one side of a story.....

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/clinton-putin-226153

George Croix

Hmmmmm.....make that 10 tomorrows....

Close enough...
The folks happy to be manipulated don't care about facts anyway, and so much of the 4th estate picks and chooses theirs....

George Croix

I guess The Clinton Foundation/Global Initiative was just lucky getting that 150 Million 'donation' after that non-existent, never happened uranium , uh, 'matter'......[wink]

Some folks are just born lucky.....

Doyle Beard

Right on George, some people just don't get it.

George Croix

It's one thing to listen to the various talking points put out by the Parties.
Makes for a bit of entertainment.
It's quite another to swallow them whole without ANY effort to validate for oneself, or, certainly no effort seeming to have been made...

C'mon....THINK FOR YOURSELF....then at least the decision on what to believe and say will be self-made rather than simply parroted......

Cary Semar

"Why did the Russians go to so much effort to assure Trump's election?"

Good question. That's what we say when we don't really know the answer, but it stands to reason that there are two possibilities:

1.0 Putin is our friend and he wants to make America great again.
2.0 Putin is our enemy and he wanted to weaken us as a rival world power.

I am trying to think of a third possibility, but so far I am drawing a blank. One if these is ridiculous. I don't need to tell you which one.

George Croix

Putin wanted Hillary to lose. She did her best to mess with HIS Election in 2011.
Wouldn't have made any difference if one of the 16 other Rep. wannabes had gotten the nomination.
Maybe. Certainly possible, and more likely...
All that's happening now is about 98% of what passes for NEWS media and about half the population with them are giving Putin an easy twofer....Hillary got dumped permanently for one, and the usual suspects on the left are HELPING the Russians by THEMSELVES destabilizing their own USA chasing after a more palatable loser's excuse than a simply rotten candidate and a bankrupt, no pun, ideology......
Of course that isn't as much fun as idiotic talk of treason and Russians hiding inside the voting machines manipulating the vote....😀😀😀😀😀
Vladimir doesn't have to lift a finger to cause chaos here....the sore losers are doing better at that than he ever could.....

Paula Flinn

$500 Billion Big Oil deal for Exxon drilling in the Arctic. off the coast of Russia if sanctions removed from Russia. Trump would remove Obama's sanctions. $500 Billion ain't hay! Follow the money. Google it. It is a fact.

Carlos Ponce

The Exxon-Rosneft deal to drill off Russia was signed in 2011. Let's see - that was during the OBAMA administration. You're 6 years too late in making this assertion.

Paula Flinn

Latest article in NYT April 17, 2017. Money.cnn.com April, 2017. CBS.com April 21, 2017. That is just for starters. April, 2017 was not that long ago, Trump Administration. It is not an assertion. It is a fact that Russia thinks it can eventually get Trump to lift the sanctions on Russia, first for the Crimea takeover, and for the hacking. As long as the sanctions are on Russia, Exxon cannot drill in the Russian Arctic. A $500 Billion oil deal making Putin, arguably, the richest man in the world, is worth waiting for. Makes sense that Trump chose Rex Tillerson Secretary of State, doesn't it?


Carlos Ponce

Obama ordered sanctions against Russia on March 6, 2014, against the Russian oil company Rosneft on April 28, 2014.
Saturday August 9, 2014
"U.S. oil giant Exxon Mobil began drilling in Russia's Arctic on Saturday, despite Western sanctions imposed on its Russian partner Rosneft, and was hailed by Russia's president as an model of "cooperation"." August
http://www.cnbc.com/2014/08/09/exxonmobil-starts-drilling-in-russias-arctic.html
So it was okay for Exxon to drill in the Russian Arctic in 2014 despite sanctions but not now. Wonder who was president of the US in 2014? Drilling continued until Sept. 26, 2014. Why were they allowed to commence and continue drilling despite US sanctions? "Follow the [2014] money."

Paula Flinn

Forbes and Fox News reported it in April, 2017, also.

George Croix

Never mind Russian waters for drilling.
We can give away more uranium rights and make more bucks....
Let's get busy drilling off the Atlantic coast and the left coast, and let the 'progressives' go right ahead and have a snit fit about it....they wanta drive but don't want any of the negatives of it.....
They should all go get impaled with a helical object.....[whistling]

Paula Flinn

Politifact and snopes.com both say no "quid pro quo" for whatever was done for any uranium deal. Whatever happened, occurred before Mrs. Clinton was ever considered for Secretary of State or decided to run for President. She had nothing to very little to do with it. There is no evidence to support President Trump's false claim that in return for money to the Clinton Foundation, Hillary personally was in control of giving away 20% of the uranium. She did not have that authority. If you are going to make claims, lets see the evidence.

I seem to remember that it was the Trump foundation that was cited for Trump's personal use of the money to purchase 2 giant pictures of himself! The investigation of the Clinton Foundation proved that money was not used for personal use. If you are going to post, at least read and keep up with the truth. I realize that it is difficult with Trump as President. He makes so many false claims, and his followers blindly believe him. Even this newspaper has to publish fact vs. fiction with this President.

Carlos Ponce

"Politifact and snopes.com" Reliable sources? Not really.
And the Trump foundation money went to a charity, the Children’s Place at Home Safe. That's what they do, give to charities! Melania bid $20,000 on the portrait by speed painter Michael Israel. The Washington Post published a copy of the check made out to the Children’s Place at Home Safe.
Paula, if YOU would like to make a donation, here's their website:
http://www.helphomesafe.org/

George Croix

PF, how about Bill's half million buck speech at a Russian bank after PERSONALLY being contacted by Putin and having the skids greased by Hillary in the form of her opposition to imposing sanctions on the Russian regarding adoption.....
Never happened...???
We're walking right by the equivalent multiple car wrecks to pay attention to jaywalkers.....

Paula Flinn

Adoption issue would not be a political one. Hillary was always interested in what is best for the children. Last time I checked Bill Clinton was not President, so he can speak at whatever function he wants to for whatever fee he can get. You conservatives all believe in rampant capitalism, so there might be a good example of it.

George Croix

"Hillary was always interested in what is best for the children."
But, not the children of the 4 dead guys in Benghazi rather than give up some globe trotting money....

Paula Flinn

Ambassador Stevens family did not blame Hillary or anyone else for Benghazi. Before Benghazi, the Obama Administration asked the Congress for more money to increase security overseas at embassies and compounds, but the Republican Congress refused. If you want to blame anyone, blame them.

It is a fact that Mrs. Clinton has dedicated her whole life in making life better for the women and children of this country. No one denies that she has worked hard for them. You can Google her accomplishments and see the things she did before public office. But you won't, because you are so stuck on Benghazi, of which Trey Gowdy failed to find her responsible or culpable.

Craig Lindberg

"It is a fact that Mrs. Clinton has dedicated her whole life in making life better for the women and children of this country" - on the backs of the women and children of Saudi Arabia. And it's been very profitable for her along the way... amazing how all this great work the Clinton's do always seems to make them fabulously wealthy in the process...

Paula Flinn

12 dead people at Charlie Hebdo in Paris, France, 2015, over satirical cartoons portraying Mohammed, their spiritual leader, as a murderer and in humiliating and embarrassing situations. One cannot prevent everything bad from happening in this world.

Paula Flinn

Republican Congress denied more money for security at American embassies and compounds overseas BEFORE Benghazi. If you want someone to blame for Benghazi, the Congress is more responsible than Mrs. Clinton. Ask Trey Gowdy why he couldn't pin anything on her.

George Croix

Complete BS, PF.
The HEAD of the entire State Dept. CONTROLS the allocation of available funding, and choosing to IGNORE repeated cries for help and passing that off as 'Republicans shorting the budget' while racking up frequent flier miles for such critical Sec. of State events as being photographed dancing in a sarong on Bali.
It's hard to pin anything on anybody when the Justice Dept. is as full of liars and delaying hacks as the White House, and taking orders from the head liars. Remember the IRS? Et al....
Right NOW the vile Susan Rice who lied us all in the face multiple times is being shielded by ex-Pres. Obama by claiming the Presidential records act allows him to NOT release any information relating to Rice's 2016 outing of confidential, supposedly secret, names of Republicans during the campaign.
Now, if she did nothing wrong, why withhold? For that matter, why the heck would any President refuse to cooperate in getting to the bottom of why his operatives were breaking the law???
Stay away from those left wing websites.....they'll burn ya every time.....

Carlos Ponce

" Ask Trey Gowdy why he couldn't pin anything on her." Yes they pinned plenty on her. Just listen to Comey's 's speech on what she did. Why didn't they? Indicting an opposing party's presidential candidate prior to an election would have been used as fodder by the Democrats to demonize and criminalize Republicans. She should have been indicted just based on what Comey said.

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