Stephen Hodgson — like most liberals — left out a few things called facts in his letter ("We should work together to solve gun issues in US," The Daily News, Oct. 29). He states: "Our national average of deaths by guns is very high, exceeded only by traffic accidents and natural causes."

OK ... let's be more specific here: The leading causes of death in the USA in 2016 (through June 15) were abortion at No. 1 with 501,325 (not natural at all); heart disease (282,038); hospital associated infections (45,449); drunk driving (15,521); all drug abuse related deaths (11,479); and last on the list was murder by gun, which comes in at 5,276 — not much compared to abortions, is it?

Abortions are the epidemic needing action, not guns.

Sorry, Mr. Liberal ... go back to New York City!

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Gary Miller

Last year 4,050,600 Americans died. Murder by gun was one of the least. Suicide was much higher. Liberal parents raise liberal children. Most unborn killed by abortion had liberal parents. Dead liberals aren't as much a problem as live liberals.

Carlos Ponce

For those who are Pro-choice, Chose Life. And if you cannot raise a child because of circumstances consider adoption, not abortion. There are many childless couples out there. And they are properly vetted.

Carlos Ponce

Choose Life

Priscilla Files

Notice no sources cited on these statistics which were embarrassingly manipulated. A 2-second search on the interwebs will take you to the ACTUAL information. In the meantime Snopes can give you some perspective https://www.snopes.com/causes-of-death-2016/

Carlos Ponce

Snopes? It depend on the author of the Snopes article. Some are okay. Most are seriously flawed and biased.
From Snopes:
"Second, although this list (put together by the web site Romans322.com) relies heavily upon mortality data compiled by the CDC, that organization does not record abortion as a cause of death." Every abortion results in DEATH. Other government agencies provide the number of abortions performed.
Snopes conclusion? "It’s an inescapable fact that everyone who manages to avoid being killed (intentionally or otherwise) by someone or something else first will eventually die of some sort of medical condition." That's cold. [scared]
There is a controversy concerning the number of deaths in the Sutherland Springs Baptist Church. The State of Texas recorded two deaths in the murder of a pregnant woman as per Texas law so 26 deaths were recorded. But some Liberal news outlets report only 25 lives lost in Sutherland Springs. They don't count the "fetus". In the eyes of Texas law, a baby died.

Gary Miller

A few years ago HRC spoke at a Planned Parenthood Meeting. She said PP was providing a valuable public service by eliminating undesirable citizens before they were born. What undesirable population was she talking about? Black women as a percentage of the population were PP's #1 clients then and still are.

Jim Forsythe

In 2014, 30% of aborting women identified themselves as Protestant and 24% identified themselves as Catholic (AGI).

Everyone should decide for themselves what is right for them, including a Woman. If we make it illegal to have an abortion, back- allys abortions will increase!
As a result, researchers and women’s health advocates say, women today are resorting to many of the same dangerous methods they relied on in the pre-Roe era: seeking out illegal abortion providers,  or attempting risky self-abortion procedures.
In 2014, four decades after the Supreme Court upheld a woman’s right to choose, pregnant women once again find themselves crossing the border to Mexico and haunting back-alleys in search of abortions.

Carlos Ponce

Jim posts:"Everyone should decide for themselves what is right for them, including a Woman."
So the baby has no say? That's why we speak for them.
"No one shall be denied LIFE, liberty or property without due process of law." Fifth Amendment
In an abortion there is NO due process, just death.[sad]

Jim Forsythe

Roe v. Wade, recognizes a woman's rights.
About 70% of Americans agree with Roe v. Wade,
Until Roe v Wade is overturned, abortions will happen. If it is overturned, abortions will happen.

On January 22, 1973, the U.S. Supreme Court handed down its landmark decision in the case of Roe v. Wade, which recognized that the right to privacy extends to a woman’s right to make her own personal medical decisions — including the decision to have an abortion without interference from politicians. Over 40 years later, Americans are still standing by this decision: 7 in 10 Americans believe Roe v. Wade should remain the law of the land

Jim Forsythe

Another view from Laura Wrzeski:
The consensus is that more religious/conservative girls and women are, paradoxically, MORE likely to have an abortion than more-liberal, less-religious women and girls. It has been suggested that this is for two main reasons:
The stigma of an unwed pregnancy in more-religious/conservative families and communities is greater than in less-religious and more liberal families and communities.
More-religious/conservative women/families are less likely to have had comprehensive sex education and access to birth control and more religious/conservative parents are less likely to permit minor girls access to comprehensive sex education and birth control.
In my opinion, based upon my work with disadvantaged women/girls/families both factors do probably play a part in the reason more religious/conservative women and girls seek abortions, but the primary reason for abortion is poverty. It is well known that the lower socio-economic strata, that is poorer American girls and women, have more unplanned/unwanted pregnancies than middle-income or wealthier women and girls. Poorer Americans are also more religious/conservative as a whole. In any group that has a greater number of unwanted pregnancies there will be a higher number of abortions. Since the number of lower-income Americans is higher than
middle-income/higher-income Americans, it’s probably the greater number, less than the religious or political leanings of low-income women and girls that create the statistics showing more-religious/conservative women and girls are more likely to seek abortions than less-religious, more-liberal women and girls.
Unplanned/unwed and teen pregnancies, lower age at first intercourse, lower educational achievement and average IQ, higher rates of criminality, divorce, unemployment, substance abuse/addiction, smoking, domestic violence, higher rates of premature birth, mother/infant morbidity and mortality are all strongly associated with both poverty and higher rates of abortion. It is also true that the lower-income  demographics are also the most religious/conservative. Exactly which characteristics and/or factors “cause” whatever “effects” or even how to clearly discriminate between causes and effects in these complicated social issues are not easy to make sense of. However, from what I have observed, poverty seems to be the most obvious reason a woman or girl will seek an abortion when faced with an unwanted pregnancy, regardless of religious beliefs or where they might fall on the left/right political spectrum.
Grim as the subject is, the rates of unwanted/unplanned pregnancies, teen pregnancies and abortions are all falling in the US. This is probably for many reasons; “Plan B” abortion pills, early pregnancy tests, birth control and sex education are all much more accessible, even to minors, than even ten years ago. The AIDS epidemic has motivated more women and girls apply safer sex. And, by all accounts the stigma against unwed pregnancy has decreased in all demographics, even among religious conservatives.

Jarvis Buckley

I judge no person. I simply ask please consider adoption before having an abortion. Consider both sides.

Diane Brodie

Back-alley abortions is a talking point/scare tactic. The truth is women regret their abortions. Choose Life!

Jim Forsythe

You are right as I was thinking of all  illegal abortions as back-ally. So change back-ally, too illegal.
In 2014, 30% of aborting women identified themselves as Protestant and 24% identified themselves as Catholic (AGI).
Everyone should decide for themselves what is right for them, including a Woman. If we make it illegal to have an abortion, illegal abortions will increase!
As a result, researchers and women’s health advocates say, women today are resorting to many of the same dangerous methods they relied on in the pre-Roe era: seeking out illegal abortion providers,  or attempting risky self-abortion procedures.
In 2014, four decades after the Supreme Court upheld a woman’s right to choose, pregnant women once again find themselves crossing the border to Mexico  in search of abortions.

If abortions are made illegal ,will Dr.s, midwives and nurses become criminals again? Or will Women just go to a place where it is legal?
One thing that’s always misrepresented is that all the people providing illegal abortions were back-alley — this is not true. They were midwives and nurses who did what they could with their training equipment, but the complication rate was high.

You can find studies about regret that says yes women regret it, and you can fund studies that's says no they do not.
The idea that women may regret having an abortion has been used to support restrictions against the procedure. But a new study suggests that only very rarely do women regret having an abortion.

Part of Roe case was, "the fetuses are not legally entitled to the protection afforded by the right to life specifically enumerated in the Fourteenth Amendment."
A central issue in the Roe case (and in the wider abortion debate in general) is whether human life or personhood begins at conception, birth, or at some point in between. The Court declined to make an attempt at resolving this issue, noting: "We need not resolve the difficult question of when life begins. When those trained in the respective disciplines of medicine, philosophy, and theology are unable to arrive at any consensus, the judiciary, at this point in the development of man's knowledge, is not in a position to speculate as to the answer." Instead, it chose to point out that historically, under English and American common law and statutes, "the unborn have never been recognized ... as persons in the whole sense", and thus, the fetuses are not legally entitled to the protection afforded by the right to life specifically enumerated in the Fourteenth Amendment. So, rather than asserting that human life begins at any specific point, the court simply declared that the State has a "compelling interest" in protecting "potential life" at the point of viability.

Carlos Ponce

The arguments in Roe v Wade were based on lies. Jane Roe (Norma McCorvey) was told by lawyers to claim she was raped. She had her child and became a strong Pr-Life advocate. In McCorvey v. Hill she urged the court to overturn Roe v Wade but this denied by the Court of Appeals.
Justice Harry Blackmun who wrote the opinion of the court that the right to abortion was NOT unlimited.
"The privacy right involved, therefore, cannot be said to be absolute. In fact, it is not clear to us that the claim asserted by some amici that one has an unlimited right to do with one's body as one pleases bears a close relationship to the right of privacy previously articulated in the Court's decisions. The Court has refused to recognize an unlimited right of this kind in the past."
So the idea put forth by abortion advocates that a woman can do anything with her body is not in Roe v Wade. Instead the CONTRARY is true.

Jim Forsythe

At this time Roe v Wade is the law.
Until the Supreme Court decides deferent , it will be what we go by. 
If  Roe v Wade were based on lies, it would be the bases too argued in court, that it's not a good law.
As it has stood since 1973, that may be a weak argument 

Summary of Roe v Wade 
Roe v. Wade
410 U.S. 113 (1973) 
The central court decision that created current abortion law in the U.S. is Roe v. Wade. In this 1973 decision, the Supreme Court ruled that women had a constitutional right to abortion, and that this right was based on an implied right to personal privacy emanating from the Ninth and Fourteenth Amendments. 
In Roe v. Wade the Court said that a fetus is not a person but "potential life," and thus does not have constitutional rights of its own.  The Court also set up a framework in which the woman's right to abortion and the state's right to protect potential life shift: during the first trimester of pregnancy, a woman's privacy right is strongest and the state may not regulate abortion for any reason; during the second trimester, the state may regulate abortion only to protect the health of the woman; during the third trimester, the state may regulate or prohibit abortion to promote its interest in the potential life of the fetus, except where abortion is necessary to preserve the woman's life or health.
http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/abortion/upload/Summary-of-Roe-v-Wade-and-Other-Key-Abortion-Cases.pdf 

The Court agreed with Roe and held that “the right to privacy includes the abortion decision.” The Court emphasized that abortion rights were not absolute. “The pregnant woman cannot be isolated in her privacy…[I]t is reasonable and appropriate for a State to decide that at some point in time another interest, that of health of the mother or that of potential human life, becomes significantly involved.” States could not ban abortion during the first trimester, but as pregnancy progressed, the Court held, the state’s interest in protecting life could begin to outweigh the woman’s liberty. Therefore states could restrict the procedure later in pregnancy.
https://billofrightsinstitute.org/educate/educator-resources/lessons-plans/landmark-supreme-court-cases-elessons/roe-v-wade-1973/


Craig Lindberg

If nothing else, the abortion debate highlights the manifest hypocrisy of the left when it comes to Constitutional rights. On one hand, they so support this unenumerated, created right to privacy - the word "privacy" is found nowhere in the Constitution - that they make it a litmus test for their politicians while at the same time there is no disingenuous argument too low for them when seeking to strip people of their rights enumerated under the 2A. Only the liberal mind can believe you have a right to kill all the unborn babies you want, but you don't have a right to decide when where and by what means you can defend yourself and family.

Curtiss Brown

The wealthy will always have access to abortions. Even with Carlos in charge. (TV sit-com reference.)

Carlos Ponce

The wealthy don't need government money (MY MONEY) like Planned Parenthood does.

Gary Miller

s a percentage of the population were PP's #1 clients then and still are.

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Jim Forsythe? I suspect the protestant and catholic abortion seekers may have all been liberals. Ask any liberal politician and they claim to be christians. As far the % of abortion supporters the latest number I find is 54% opposed, 36 % favor. If Roe V Wade is repealed abortions will still be legal in any state where they are permitted. Today with 31 red states some travel might be needed to find a legal abortion butcher. In the meantime young women should be taught pregnancy is not contagious. They must make certain choices and specific actions to become pregnant. If they don't want pregnancy they have the CHOICE of avoiding those actions.

Jim Forsythe

Are you saying that to be a Christian, you can not be a Liberal?
How about Democrats, can they be a Christian? Independents? Is Religion based on politics. If I showed up at your church, would I be asked, what party I belonged to.

Craig Lindberg

Jim: [Are you saying that to be a Christian, you can not be a Liberal?]

Nice "Mark" response.

Jim Forsythe

Craig
Gary said " I suspect the protestant and catholic abortion seekers may have all been liberals."
So I was asking Gary, "Are you saying that to be a Christian, you can not be a Liberal?"

I did not have a response , but a few more questions besides this one.
My response would have been, yes you can be a Christian and a Liberal! 
All may not think that way, and that was why I was asking.
If you look at my  post, I had four questons. The last question, I did not place a question mark.

Craig Lindberg

All politics aside, if you believe Jesus Christ is your lord and savior, you are a Christian. Full stop. No additional commentary is needed. It's between you and God. What anyone else thinks in irrelevant.

Carlos Ponce

Interesting in his diatribe Daniels (different forum) asked Conservatives to examine the Beatitudes, since:
Conservatives donate more time and money to help those in need than Liberals.
Why? Liberals think it is the "government" which should help those in need. Jesus says it is up to INDIVIDUALS. Read scripture. You will find this is true.

Jim Forsythe

July 25, 2013  Half of all Catholics believe abortion should be legal in all or most cases, according to a poll commissioned by The Washington Post and ABC in the wake of the murder convictions of Philadelphia House of Horrors abortionist Kermit Gosnell.
Fifty percent of Catholics said they believed abortion should be legal in all or most circumstances, while 45 percent say it should be illegal in the same circumstances. That was only moderately more pro-life than the American public as a whole, which favored abortion 55-41.
However, the poll reported that white Catholics were somewhat less pro-life, with 55 percent favoring legalized abortion in most cases and 43 percent opposing it.
The finding confirm a previous Pew poll from February showing that Hispanic Catholics are more likely to oppose abortion than their white brethren.

Final results revealed a deep religious division that grows wider as the respondents grow less religious.
White mainline Protestants support abortion by a far greater margin, with 66 percent of them preferring few or no restrictions.
Two-thirds of evangelicals, on the other hand, oppose abortion in all or most cases.
The group most in favor of unrestricted abortion on demand are non-religious Americans, of whom 73 percent support legal abortion in all or most cases

Carlos Ponce

"Half of all Catholics believe abortion should be legal in all or most cases, according to a poll commissioned by The Washington Post and ABC."
There was so much wrong with that polling it isn't even considered by Church going Catholics. Ask those "Catholics" who favored abortion they'd tell you they rarely attend mass. Some haven't been in years. But there are a few that are church going but I recommend they read their Catechism. Abortion is considered MORALLY EVIL.
"2271 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion."

Carlos Ponce

There's a big difference between church going Catholics and those who don't go to mass. After Baptism they haven't been back since or just attend at Easter and Christmas or funerals. The liturgical responses have changed in the last few years and it's easy to tell who hasn't been to mass in a while. They either give the old responses or remain silent. I don't judge them but I do offer a prayer they return.

Keith Gray

Our Lord will be the final judge... but for now, I do not want my tax $ going towards killing our unborn. Their choice... I have a choice too...

Doyle Beard

Great point Keith, I am with you.

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