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Carlos Ponce

"To the people who will say they did it to themselves, I speak to you loudly, you will never understand anything that you have never experienced."
Been there, done that. But I would NEVER think about waiting TWO MILES to pull over after seeing the flashing lights of a patrol car.
You know we have similar background since you're my cousin. Your cousin Tony, my brother was pulled over because his truck plates were illegible. BUT HE PULLED OVER IMMEDIATELY. No problem, no ticket. Just fix the plates.
"Walk a mile in my shoes". Good advice that goes both ways. You know many police officers. Think about what they'd be thinking if they were doing their job and the driver did not pull over immediately but waited TWO MILES.
"I speak to you loudly". Sorry Robert but you're making no sense. But I still love you. May God Bless you. See you at the cousin's party!

Emile Pope

Wrong. How many times have people been pulled over for condensate on their paper tags? Trying to say that they were illegible because of condensation is laughable. Just another pretext stop for a fishing expedition...

Kelly Naschke

I have been pulled over 3 times for no front plates in the past couple of years, my wife has been pulled over twice. What’s the difference Emile? BTW....neither one of us continued to drive for two miles and both of us have gotten warnings. Your argument doesn’t carry water Emile.

Emile Pope

Because not having front plates is against the law. Condensation on dealer tags is not.

Carlos Ponce

Emile posts: "Condensation on dealer tags is not." READ THE LAW, PLEASE. I have provided it in a different post. Emile, you're wrong. And if it were not for the FACT that he waited TWO MILES TO PULL OVER, he probably would have been told to clean them.

Craig Lindberg

Actually you do have to have a front license plate in Texas.

Doyle Beard

Again Emile i out in left field. unreadable plates

Carlos Ponce

Again, Emile has no idea of what he posting about. An illegible plate is an illegible plate, no matter what the reason.
(a) A person commits an offense if the person attaches to or displays on a motor vehicle a license plate that:
(5) has blurring or reflective matter that significantly impairs the readability of the name of the state in which the vehicle is registered or the letters or numbers of the license plate number at any time;
7) has a coating, covering, protective substance, or other material that:
(A) distorts angular visibility or detectability;
(B) alters or obscures one-half or more of the name of the state in which the vehicle is registered;  or
The TWO offenses added together led to the ticket and fine.
(C) alters or obscures the letters or numbers of the license plate number or the color of the plate.
b) Except as provided by Subsection (e), an offense under Subsection (a) is a misdemeanor punishable by a fine of not more than $200, unless it is shown at the trial of the offense that the owner knowingly altered or made illegible the letters, numbers, and other identification marks, in which case the offense is a Class B misdemeanor.
BUT IT'S JUST NOT THAT, EMILE!!!!!!!
Not pulling over until TWO MILES LATER. Why do you IGNORE THAT?????

Emile Pope

Garbage. Unless you have evidence of people being pulled over for having condensate on their dealer tags your statement is useless. Was that the only new car that passed that day? Were these other condensate criminals also cited? Another pretext stop and nothing else...

Carlos Ponce

Emile, posts: "Were these other condensate criminals also cited?" Does it matter? Why do fail to ever mention that the man failed to stop for two miles? You refuse to do so because it messes up your "all cops are racist" scenario. The driver displayed POOR JUDGEMENT and paid the price.
Now Emile, please address the two mile trip he took AFTER the police officer put on his flashing lights. Even Mark Aaron posted "This was a poor example to cite as an equivalence to what Black people deal with. Driving for 2 miles with lights flashing behind you is far from normal...."
If I were a police officer the following scenario would enter my mind: "Why doesn't the driver pull over? Is something else going on other than unreadable plates? I can't radio in the plate number because I can't read them. Do they have a gun and are preparing to shoot me?"
Think Emile. What would GPD officer Emile Pope (may he rest in peace) have done? Probably what the officer in this case did.

Emile Pope

Never been done before and the first time it happens the driver is a young Black male...sure it's just a coincidence...

Carlos Ponce

Never been done before, Emile? Are you joking or just plain ignorant?
Now, address the issue of his traveling TWO MILES after he saw the police cars flashing lights. That's breaking the law, why the judge fined him $350 instead of just $200.

Doyle Beard

Rad the article the plates were said to be UNREADABLE. dO YOU GET IT?

Kelly Naschke

You make my point for me Emile. Your inability to apply rational thought is crystal clear. An obscured plate vs a non existent plate is the same. Its illegible. I don't even think you understand why the "condensate" isn't the issue. Fact is the plates weren't readable. Period. You should research the definition of condensate. Condensation occurs when temperature difference causes "sweating" and for moisture to accumulate. In this case the condensation occurred inside the plastic covering where the temporary paper plates were inserted. This condensation rendered the plates unreadable due to the smearing of the ink. That made them ILLEGIBLE just as nonexistent plates are illegible due to them NOT being there. That's NOT the issue. The issue is that the guy drove for TWO miles after the officer hit his lights is the issue. That fact that you make this racist...is also an issue.

Emile Pope

Dealer tag ink doesn't smear. Seen any smeared dealer tags lately? Simply a pretext stop...

Kelly Naschke

Do dealers have magic paper and ink?

Mark Aaron

Leroy: [Do dealers have magic paper and ink?]

There are numerous kinds of inks, many of them are waterproof. Heavy paper stock can also be weatherproof for short periods. Those are what all dealers tags I've seen are made of.

David Smith

Still doesnt explain the two mile drive ignoring LEO

Don Schlessinger

Whew

Kelly Naschke

As we all witness, Emile’s mind is made up...despite the glaringly obvious facts. This is a problem and one reason for the divisiveness that faces our nation. An entire subset of our culture doesn’t care to examine facts as the exist, but rather false narratives they are spoon fed by a failing party, with no leadership and even less of an agenda. You almost have to feel sorry for Emile and those like him that do nothing but seek to divide. How anyone can’t recognize the great strides we have made as a nation (that elected a black president) is a problem. For every step our nation takes forward, guys like Emile and the not so good rev. Danny, push us all two steps back.

Kelly Naschke

Lets all NOT forget that it was Heber Taylor that provided the false narrative for this discussion. We all got to see firsthand how "fake news" is promulgated. Thanks Heber! We luv ya pal!

Mark Aaron

Leroy: [For every step our nation takes forward, guys like Emile and the not so good rev. Danny, push us all two steps back.]

I've been hearing this same nonsense for my whole life. And you are wrong. Just like people were wrong about Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King at the time. Identifying and speaking out against racism isn't pushing backwards, It is pushing us to be better people and progressing us to a genuinely color blind society, but we aren't there yet. We still have many miles to travel. You don't get there by being an obstruction to progress because you think you have done enough already.

Kelly Naschke

Hey Emile, how bout we change the subject to Donna Brazile and her dropping the bomb on Obama, Hillary, and the DNC? That should be good for a few laughs. On your mark....get set....GO!

Doyle Beard

You think Emile would admit that happened. He would dance all around that.

Carlos Ponce

Remember Heber's original column:
http://www.galvnews.com/opinion/columns/article_2e95af47-f319-584b-b5ff-17a10905a4dc.html
The race or ethnicity of the officer is never mentioned. He could have been black, white, Asian, Hispanic or whatever.
And the case did go to a municipal judge who fined him. Apparently the judge was not convinced. And despite claims by Emile there is a law against having plates you cannot read no matter what the cause.
If only he hadn't driven TWO MILES after the police turned on their lights - "emergency lights blazing"............
Wonder why Cousin Robert Q. and others (Emile) never mention that.
Heber does.
It is not exactly something one can ignore.

Susan Fennewald

They were pulled over for DWB - driving while black.
You know that when theirs an abbreviation for it - its recognized as being pretty wide spread.

Carlos Ponce

Did the police know the driver was black when he attempted to pull the car over for an infraction? No.
Sorry Susan, but cars don't have a racial identity. People of any race or ethnicity should take responsibility for their actions or poor judgement. Why do you ignore the facts as presented that the driver did not pull over for TWO WHOLE MILES? The driver acted irresponsibly.

Doyle Beard

nonsense, more false statements

Mark Aaron

Susan: [They were pulled over for DWB - driving while black.]

I expect there is far more DWB stops than we can begin to imagine, however, this case is a poor choice to represent the problem. This case does the equality movement no favors. It has no foundation. Going two miles before pulling over for flashing lights is indefensible. Don't get trapped into defending it to help fight DWB stops.

Craig Lindberg

I appreciate you recognizing that Mark, however don't stop there. Let me be perfectly clear so that my comment is not in any way misunderstood: NOBODY deserves to be mistreated by the police. NOBODY. Like this incident, almost every high profile incident in recent years began the same way: the suspect refused to comply with lawful instructions given by the police. Just as not following instructions does not justify mistreatment, not trusting the police does not justify not following their lawful instructions.

Doyle Beard

Keep on Craig ,all mark is doing is to try an derail you like he does constantly.

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