Joe Elliott's letter ("The AP thinks we're stupid," The Daily News, Sept. 20) echoed my own sentiments about The Daily News' overuse of AP-authored articles to report so many news articles, especially those regarding President Trump, political takes on national and international news, and "fact-checking."

Today's (Sept. 20) reporting of Trump's speech to the U.N. was praised in many circles as firm and long overdue as different from the pablum Obama and other Presidents have appeasingly spoken before the U.N. Yet, today's reporting of that event used the AP take, implying Trump was dangerous and even deranged for making such a speech — a twist on truth that Elliott alluded to. That North Korea, Iran, Venezuela were in Trump's sights this time around, along with the repeated dismal failure of socialism, causes many to welcome this bold change by an American president.

Come on, The Daily News: Man up and try putting America first by fair reporting, and less use of the AP for fillers.

Sandra Woodford

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Gary Scoggin

So what news source do you recommend the GDN use for its non-local coverage?

Sharon Stratman

Fair and balanced Fox, of course.

Jim Forsythe

With North Korea, Iran, Venezuela comes with China, Russia and others. We are still in Afghanistan , and we want to expand to 3 more places, which could increase the number of solders at war, to levels we have not seen for a long time. Fighting wars, in so many different part of the world, would tax our resources. 
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President Trump has signed off on sending an additional 4,000 troops to Afghanistan, Trump is set to unveil his strategy for Afghanistan, becoming the third commander-in-chief to attempt to stabilize the war-torn country and forge a victory in what is now America’s longest war. An estimated 8,400 U.S. troops are currently in Afghanistan.
Which would bring the total number of troops to 12,400.

What may happen, if Iran is forced to pull out of the deal.?
"In Tehran, President Hassan Rouhani told Parliament that if the United States presses ahead with new economic sanctions, he would end the 2015 nuclear deal. . But Mr. Rouhani also promised that if he were forced to pull out of the deal, he would restart Iran’s production of nuclear fuel within “days or hours,” leaving unstated the fact that that would put the country within reach of nuclear weapons."
Several other Iranian officials have recently threatened to restart industrial-scale uranium enrichment. Ali Akbar Salehi, the president of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran and a key negotiator of the deal, said the country could go up to 20 percent enrichment of uranium to “surprise the Americans and their supporters.” While that level does not produce bomb-grade material, it is close — and when Iran began enriching uranium at 20 percent several years ago, it triggered one of the crises that led to threats of conflict and, ultimately, the negotiation over the nuclear deal.

If we attack North Korea , the 29,000 USA troops station in Korea, will be at risk .The  50,801,000  that lives in South Korea  will also be at risk. 
"The United States is always an outsize player abroad, its statements often carrying more effect in foreign lands than at home. But Mr. Trump’s use of bold threats and warnings of military intervention have accelerated the laws of unintended consequences.
“No one should be allowed to decide on a military action on the Korean Peninsula without South Korean agreement,” Mr. Moon said(South Korea’s Leader) , executing exactly the kind of split between Seoul and Washington that Kim Jong-un, the North Korean leader, has long sought."

"South Koreans have seen a lot of tensions with Washington, but they have never seen an American president explicitly threaten the North with talk of “fire and fury like the world has never seen,” or a declaration that American forces are “locked and loaded” for a conflict."
“The Americans had always been an ally who would prevent, not start, war on the Korean Peninsula,” said Kim Ji-woon, a college student .
“With his trash war talk,” the student said, “Trump makes me wonder what’s the use of the alliance.”
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Jarvis Buckley

"Trash war talk" typical democrat talking points. Say goodbye to the Rocket man. Like the democrat party- He is history.

Mark Aaron

Jarvis: " Say goodbye to the Rocket man. Like the democrat party- He is history."

That's not how you spell GOP, Jarvis.

Jarvis Buckley

Calls S. Korea leader "Mr. Moon" call our US president "Trump" . Go home young man , or love & respect our democratic society .

Jim Forsythe

He is home , in South Korea

Mark Aaron

Sandra: "Today's (Sept. 20) reporting of Trump's speech to the U.N. was praised in many circles as firm and long overdue"

No, Sandra, it was not praised anywhere other than in rightwing propaganda mills like Fox News. It was panned as dangerous and childish by the vast majority of credible news sites around the world.

Craig Lindberg

That's actually not true. Both Russia and Israel had praise for his speech. Go ahead and throw out some baseless Russia accusations now.

Mark Aaron

Craig: "That's actually not true. Both Russia and Israel had praise for his speech. Go ahead and throw out some baseless Russia accusations now."

I accurately qualified my statement by noting 'credible' news sources panned it. If you think Russia is credible then you are clearly easy to dupe. You do know our election system was attacked by Russia, don't you Craig? Or were you played for a fool on that one too? War mongering Israel has its own agenda as it encourages the US to attack Iran.

Craig Lindberg

No, actually you wrote “it was not praised anywhere other than in rightwing propaganda mills like Fox News” which I correctly pointed out is false. You then contradicted yourself when you wrote “It was panned as dangerous and childish by the vast majority of credible news sites around the world.” The vast majority is not all, so which is it? Vast majority or not praised anywhere? You love misdirection, and I correctly predicted that you’d jump on Russia. Certainly, Russia trying to influence an election – our or any other doesn’t surprise you any more than the US doing the same thing surprises you. Nor does it have anything to you making demonstrably false statements.

Mark Aaron

Craig: "No, actually you wrote “it was not praised anywhere other than in rightwing propaganda mills like Fox News” which I correctly pointed out is false. You then contradicted yourself when you wrote “It was panned as dangerous and childish by the vast majority of credible news sites around the world.” The vast majority is not all, so which is it?"

I was referring to US rightwing propaganda mills in the first sentence and the world in the second sentence. Is that so difficult to understand? Your sophistry is pretty weak Craig. You should work on it some more before attempting it in public so you don't embarrass yourself.

George Croix

"Come on, The Daily News: Man up and try putting America first by fair reporting, and less use of the AP for fillers.'
That's the actual quote from the author's letter...note the word "less"......meaning, well, not as much use of AP...
Yet, the headline writer from the GDN chose to use "stop', as in quit entirely using AP.....
But, of course, that's not what the author said, so why would this misleading headline be attached....??

As for the AP, this once respected legitimate news organization has devolved, imo, into a too-often ideologically driven purveyor of cherrypicked info designed less to inform than to direct, divert, and distract.....
Like the headline for this article.....

Mark Aaron

George: "As for the AP, this once respected legitimate news organization has devolved, imo, into a too-often ideologically driven purveyor of cherrypicked info designed less to inform than to direct, divert, and distract....."

You mean because they identify Trump as the lying lunatic he really is rather than kiss his posterior like Fox News and your friends do.

George Croix

ps:
aaarrgghhh....fat fingered the iphone send.....
LEAVE the AP articles, as it's important to DECIDE ourselves using whatever sources we can get, and that requires mixing the bad with the good....

Jim Forsythe

  if you are talking  about the Democrat party in the USA , I do not think you will find him at the meetings in The USA, as he lives in South Korea.

"Calls S. Korea leader "Mr. Moon" call our US president "Trump" ". And our President calls Kim Ji-woon , Rocket Man, and it is OK?
If someone wants respect, they have to give respect.

U.S. analysis estimated that North Korea  has 60 nuclear weapons. Add to this number, Russia's 7,000 nuclear warheads, and China's
270 warheads, and we want to be in a name calling contest that could Morph  into WW111. Besides nuclear weapons, North Korea may have  electro-magnetic pulse (EMP)  they could use to attack, which could knock out a country's electrical grid and critical infrastructure

Carlos Ponce

Other world leaders are now calling Kim "Rocket Man".

Jim Forsythe

Carlos , I have looked and can only find one reference to  other countries  calling Kim Jong Un ,'Rocket Man  , and the country was not named , just some African country and 'every international community" and this was reported by one source ,Haley.
"It worked. I was talking to a president of an African country yesterday and he actually cited 'Rocket Man' back to me, so I will tell you that, look, this is a way of getting people to talk about him, but every international community now is referring to him as 'Rocket Man,'" Haley added."

"Other world leaders are now calling Kim "Rocket Man". and this makes it right.  
A countries leader, should be respected by others countries leaders. Is this the actions we want from our President?
What do we gain by the Presidents name calling?
Do we want President Trump, addressed as “dotard” ,or worse?

I guess, this is just a thing in the past.
"Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far." Theodore Roosevelt

Carlos Ponce

Only one reference? Are you only looking at the Leftist media?

Jim Forsythe

Carlos, that was all I could find. If you know of other countries, please provide their names.

You are OK with name calling, by the President? 
"Other world leaders are now calling Kim "Rocket Man". and this makes it right?  
A countries leader, should be respected, by others countries leaders.

Is this the actions we want from our President?
What do we gain by the President, name calling?
Do we want President Trump, addressed as “dotard” ,or worse?
Besides that, how does calling names, help?

Carlos Ponce

Jim, examine history. Has a president ever called the leader of an enemy country a name? Sure. Even a subtle re-pronouncing of Saddam to make it sound like "boot licker" in Farsi.
Would it upset you if FDR and Harry Truman had pejoratives for Adolf Hitler?

Mark Aaron

Carlos: "Only one reference? Are you only looking at the Leftist media?"

Poor Carlos, duped yet again. Look as much as you like Carlos, but the only public figure making the nonsensical claim that world leaders have stooped to Trump's level of childish name calling is Nikki Haley. And apparently she was talking about the king of Nambia. You know, Trump's made up African country.

Jim Forsythe

Carlos, that was all I could find. If you know of other countries, please provide their names. Find them yet?

"Even a subtle re-pronouncing of Saddam to make it sound like "boot licker" in Farsi. " Are trying to say, President Bush translated Saddam name into Farsi, just to make fun of him?
This is different,  President Trump knows full well, what the names he gives people, means!  
I'm sure you can find some examples of Presidents calling people names. but not at the continues level the President Trump has maintained. The President should strive to be better than the past, not repeating bad behavior.
Just because someone did it in the past, is no excuse for it.
This is how you want our President to act? Is this what you expect from him?

Carlos, how is this name calling of other Head's of States, by our President , going to make the potential in North Korea less?
Is it going to make the World, a safer place?

Quote from V.P. Pence
"I don’t think name-calling has any place in public life," Pence said, according to a transcript from Hewitt's show. "And I thought that was unfortunate that the president of the United States would use a term like that."

"Would it upset you if FDR and Harry Truman had pejoratives for Adolf Hitler?" .Below is a example how FDR handled it, calling Hitler ,His Excellency.

From Franklin D. Roosevelt
Letter to Adolf Hitler Seeking Peace
September 27, 1938
His Excellency
Adolf Hitler 
Chancellor of the German Reich
Berlin, Germany.
I desire to acknowledge our Excellency's reply to my telegram of September 26. I was confident that you would coincide in the opinion I expressed regarding the unforeseeable consequences and the incalculable disaster which would result to the entire world from the outbreak of a European war.
The question before the world today, Mr. Chancellor, is not the question of errors of judgment or of injustices committed in the past. It is the question of the fate of the world today and tomorrow. The world asks of us who at this moment are heads of nations the supreme capacity to achieve the destinies of nations without forcing upon them, as a price, the mutilation and death of millions of citizens.
The rest of the letter can be read at http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=15544 

When Truman announced Hitler's death, He did not name call. 
THE PRESIDENT. Well, of course, the two principal war criminals will not have to
come to trial; and I am very happy they are out of the way.
Q. Well, does that mean, sir, that we know officially that Hitler is dead? 
THE PRESIDENT. Yes.

Carlos Ponce

Yes, Jim. Seek and ye shall find - but not on Left wing media. Whoops! I almost spelled that weedia! Appropriate, though!

Carlos Ponce

And I think it's gonna be a long long time
'Til touchdown brings me 'round again to find
I'm not the man they think I am at home
Oh, no, no, no.
I'm the ROCKET MAN
Rocket Man burning out his fuse up here alone
Lyrics by Bernie Taupin and Elton John

Carlos Ponce

Huffington recalls the British Magazine "The Economist" first called Kim Jong -un Sr. "Rocket Man" in 2006.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-rocket-man-kim-jong-un-origin_us_59c21533e4b087fdf50913a0
So now Trump refers to Kim Jong-un Jr. as
"LITTLE Rocket Man"!
[beam]

Jim Forsythe

"Yes, Jim. Seek and ye shall find - but not on Left wing media" for some reason you o not want to share. I'm unable to find , so please share. If you do not , I understand , as you can not share, what you do not have.

No response to ,Is this what you expect from him?
"Even a subtle re-pronouncing of Saddam to make it sound like "boot licker" in Farsi. " Are trying to say, President Bush translated Saddam name into Farsi, just to make fun of him?
This is different,  President Trump knows full well, what the names he gives people, means!  

I'm sure you can find some examples of Presidents calling people names. but not at the continues level the President Trump has maintained. The President should strive to be better than the past, not repeating bad behavior.
Just because someone did it in the past, is no excuse for it.
This is how you want our President to act? 
Also 
Carlos, how is this name calling of other Head's of States, by our President , going to make the potential in North Korea less?
Is it going to make the World, a safer place?

Is this what we want? Results from name calling
September 23, 2017, 4:11 PM
President Trump’s recent insults against North Korea have only made it likelier the U.S. will be attacked, the country’s foreign minister warned Saturday.
“Due to his lacking of basic common knowledge and proper sentiment, he tried to insult the supreme dignity of my country by referring it to a ‘rocket,’” Foreign Minister Ri Yong Ho said during a speech at the U.N. General Assembly. “By doing so, however, he committed an irreversible mistake of making our rockets’ visit to the entire U.S. mainland inevitable all the more.”
Ri was referring to Trump’s remarks at the UN on Wednesday, when he called North Korean dictator Kim Jong un “rocket man” before scores of world leaders."

Jim Forsythe

My reply to
Carlos Ponce Sep 23, 2017 3:25pm
Huffington recalls the British Magazine "The Economist" first called Kim Jong -un Sr. "Rocket Man" in 2006.
So now Trump refers to Kim Jong-un Jr. as "LITTLE Rocket Man"!

Calling a leader of another Country  "Rocket Man" or "Little Rocket Man" is what you expect from our President?  Is this the standard, we hold a President to? How does this mocking, help the USA?
 
What does his father being called "Rocket Man" have to do with the USA, today? It was not our President, that called, Kim Jong -un Sr "Rocket Man".

I'll tell you George (Stephanopoulos)  , it worked," Haley said. "I was talking to a president of an African country, and he actually cited 'Rocket Man' back to me. So, I will tell you that look — this is a way of getting people to talk about him, but every other international community is referring to him as Rocket Man."  and she did not  say "LITTLE Rocket Man"!  
Which areas, and or Countries is "every other international community", and who is on this list? Still, you have not come up with a list ?
.
Carlos Ponce Sep 23, 2017 1:55pm
Yes, Jim. Seek and ye shall find - but not on Left wing media ( in what media source, can one find it?)
As the Countries have been not been found by me, and you did not supply a list , do these Countries exist?

When you listed your sources, you used Huffington post, and I was under the impression it was not one you used,  because,
"The Huffington Post  is a politically liberal American news and opinion website and blog that now has both localized and international edition " this was after you had called me out for using what you perceived as Left wing media. Hard to call someone out , when you use a liberal American news and opinion website, yourself.   Your link below.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-rocket-man-kim-jong-un-origin_us_59c21533e4b087fdf50913a0


Carlos Ponce Sep 22, 2017 12:32pm  
"Other world leaders are now calling Kim "Rocket Man"." 

First time the President called him "Little Rocket Man" was after your post above, and after I asked for a list!
"President Donald Trump on Friday continued to mock North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, deriding the "little Rocket Man" at a campaign rally in Alabama", after 6p.m.

What Countries or world leaders are calling North Korean leader
Kim Jong In, "LITTLE Rocket Man", BESIDES US.?  Can you please list?

 


Carlos Ponce

"Calling a leader of another Country "Rocket Man" or "Little Rocket Man" is what you expect from our President? Is this the standard, we hold a President to? How does this mocking, help the USA?"
Better than that "appeasement tour" the last president took. Interesting how Leftist feel sorry for a petty dictator who's hell bent on this country's destruction. Looks like Kimmy once saw the movie "The Mouse that Roared". And really, FDR's letter to Herr Schicklgruber achieved peace, right? No, it did not. Look for other speeches during the war to see what FDR called that maniac. Am I comparing Little Rocket Man to Hitler? Yes. Time to put him in his place.
I guess you don't accept Ambassador Haley's statement about world leaders. Too bad, so Sad.

AS far as your list, it's forthcoming.

Jim Forsythe

Is President Trump , by calling leaders names, upholding your standards? This is the level you want our President to be at.
How does this mocking, help the USA?" 

"AS far as your list, it's forthcoming." and forthcoming is how long. Almost, makes me think you do not have it.
"Ambassador Haley's statement about world leaders" just asked you for a list, that you have not provided.

What did FDR call Hitler? As I have said before , you can more than likely find other Presidents, calling other leaders names, but not of the level President Trump does. He is also the President now, not anyone else.
This does not excuse the Presidents, name calling. How does his name calling help us with North Korea?

Comparing Kim Jong Un to Hitler ,really? He has a long ways to  go, to be as evil as Hitler! 
I would not even put Kim Jong on the top 10 on the evil scale.

10. Yakubu Gowon (1.1 million deaths) 
9. Mengistu Haile Mariam (400,000 – 1.5 million deaths)
8. Kim Il Sung (1.6 million deaths)
7. Pol Pot (1.7 million deaths)
6. Ismail Enver Pasha (2.5 million deaths)
5. Hideki Tojo (5 million deaths)
4. Leopold II of Belgium (2-15 million deaths)
3. Adolf Hitler (17 million deaths)
2. Jozef Stalin (23 million deaths)
1. Mao Zedong (49-78 million deaths)

Kim Jong Il, who died in 2011, accumulated a collection of 30,000 films, including every Oscar winner  — and boasted he'd seen them all
so you may be right that he has seen  The Mouse that Roared" if he still has his father collection. Also he likes to watch movies with Dennis Rodman .

Mark Aaron

Jim: "Carlos, that was all I could find. If you know of other countries, please provide their names. Find them yet?"

I notice Carlos has yet to name any other source for his risible claim that other countries are making fools out of themselves like Trump has with childish name calling. No surprise there.

Mark Aaron

Carlos: "Other world leaders are now calling Kim "Rocket Man"."

Sure they do, Carlos. And they call Trump "Dear Leader."

Mark Aaron

Carlos: "Interesting how Leftist feel sorry for a petty dictator who's hell bent on this country's destruction."

Typical Carlos demagoguery/false dichotomy where if we don't think our president should act like a buffoon then we support our enemies. Pathetic, Carlos.

Mark Aaron

Carlos: "Huffington recalls the British Magazine "The Economist" first called Kim Jong -un Sr. "Rocket Man" in 2006."

So Carlos, does this mean you now consider The Huffington Post a credible source?

Casey Alan

Fair reporting. It's the job of the press to keep people inform and to report the facts. Fact check is good for everyone because it weeds out the false news. The press cannot help it if Trump gives them so much fact checking to do. Even Trump's chief of staff hung and shook his head in disbelief. If Trump stuck to the speech that was written for him he may not be getting the flak that he's getting now. And if he's going to bully people with his Twitter account then it gives the people the right to push back.

Carlos Ponce

The AP "Fact Check" is far from factual. It belongs on the op-ed page. Among the "facts" are a lot of biased opinion.

Mark Aaron

Carlos: "The AP "Fact Check" is far from factual. It belongs on the op-ed page. Among the "facts" are a lot of biased opinion."

No, its facts are fine Carlos. You just hate it because it is used so often to show what a dishonest rightwing propagandist you are.

Casey Alan

Well like I always heard. The truth hurts.

Mark Aaron

Casey: " Fact check is good for everyone because it weeds out the false news."

Republicans hate any fact checkers because they allow the public to know what craven liars the GOP has become.

Steve Fouga

I wouldn't mind seeing stories from UPI and Reuters in the Daily News. I also don't mind stories from AP.

I'm not sure exactly how membership in one of the agencies works, but I suspect the Daily News is a member of AP because of its breadth of coverage, rather than because they feel it's left-leaning and they wish to project a left-leaning image. Newspapers become members of news agencies, and once they're a member of a particular agency, that's where their news comes from.

We can all agree that the journalistic ideal is to report news in an entirely objective manner, with no opinion and no purposeful spin. We can all agree that this ideal has eroded, for some reason, to the point that today's reporting often contains said opinion and spin. For-profit organizations tend to allow, or purposely do, what sells. The inescapable conclusion is that opinion and spin must sell newspapers; otherwise it wouldn't be allowed. (AP is non-profit, by the way, but newspapers are not.)

If, as some on this forum contend, the AP has a liberal bias, another inescapable conclusion is that a liberal bias sells newspapers. This doesn't surprise me, because I believe the words of our own Curtiss Brown (also known as Talking Bear), that the world has a liberal bias.

Mark Aaron

Steve: " This doesn't surprise me, because I believe the words of our own Curtiss Brown (also known as Talking Bear), that the world has a liberal bias."

As do facts if you listen to the Republicans around here. They certainly hate fact-checkers.

Mark Aaron

Steve: "I wouldn't mind seeing stories from UPI and Reuters in the Daily News."

Reuters and AFP are both good sources, but UPI was bought out by the Unification Church some years ago. Same folks who own the wingnut Washington Times. UPI is not the source it once was when the venerable Helen Thomas worked there.

Steve Fouga

Mark now has the largest avatar on the forum.

Jim Forsythe

Steve , you may want to check this out.  https://archive.org/about/
After going to page , drop down 3 paragraphs to and clock on one. Looks like below, but with links.

As our web archive grew, so did our commitment to providing digital versions of other published works. Today our archive contains:
279 billion web pages
11 million books and texts
4 million audio recordings (including 160,000 live concerts)
3 million videos (including 1 million Television News programs)
1 million images
100,000 software programs 
About the Internet Archive

The Internet Archive is a 501(c)(3) non-profit library. Founded in 1996, our mission is to provide Universal Access to All Knowledge. We collect published works and make them available in digital formats. We are building a public library that can serve anyone in the world with access to the Internet.

Steve Fouga

Holy cow! Thanks, Jim. Bookmarked it. [thumbup]

George Croix

"The Internet Archive (mostly known as The Internet Wayback Machine Archive) is a San Francisco–based nonprofit digital library with the stated mission of "universal access to all knowledge."
"Founded by Brewster Kahle in May 1996, the Archive is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit operating in the United States."
"Brewster Kahle (/ˈkeɪl/ KAYL;[3] born October 22, 1960)[1] is an American computer engineer, Internet entrepreneur, internet activist, advocate of universal access to all knowledge, and digital librarian.[4] He is the founder of the Internet Archive, the Internet Archive Federal Credit Union, Alexa and Thinking Machines and a member of the Internet Hall of Fame."
"Internet activism (also known as web activism, online activism, digital campaigning, digital activism, online organizing, electronic advocacy, cyberactivism, e-campaigning, and e-activism) is the use of electronic communication technologies such as social media, e-mail, and podcasts for various forms of activism to enable faster and more effective communication by citizen movements, the delivery of particular information to large and specific audiences as well as coordination.'

Follow the bouncing ball.......[wink]
Paul Harvey is long gone, but his program "The Rest of the Story" is still useful....

Perhaps the only back story of import of a San Francisco based activist IS the desire to not have Alexandria Library Burning II...it certainly could be, and probably is....
Like all information or news sources, this one, too, should be seasoned with a few grains of salt, before we chew then swallow......But, it depends on what the meaning here of is, is.....

Over 30 years ago the refinery built a new unit that was complex as all get out, and part of it's design was the data point collection system that had four...four...continuous feed dot matrix printers constantly...constantly...printing out readings collected from every sensor on that monster size facility. The printouts accordianed into their 2400 couint sheet boxes...that's almost 10,000 sheets of data collected....several times a WEEK.
It was finally decided after several years that so much info was of much less value than imagined because to read and analyze it would take a team of enineers or specialists all day, every day, and still never catch up.
I can see a similar problem with attempting to collect all data equating to no data, unless there's a helluva search engine involved at the other end....BUT like owning tools, it's not how often you use them, but it's having them when you need them...if you can find the right one......

Perhaps the NSA can tell us.....[beam][beam]

Jim Forsythe

George, they are using Petabox storage system. They have increase the amount of storage, and will in future. They increased the Wayback Machine from 9.6 Petabytes to 15 Petabytes in January of this year

A few highlights from the Petabox storage system:
Density: 1.4 PetaBytes / rack
Power consumption: 3 KW / PetaByte
No Air Conditioning, instead use excess heat to help heat the building.
Raw Numbers as of August 2014:
4 data centers, 550 nodes, 20,000 spinning disks
Wayback Machine: 9.6 PetaBytes
Books/Music/Video Collections: 9.8 PetaBytes
Unique data: 18.5 PetaBytes
Total used storage: 50 PetaBytes

George Croix

Thanks, Jim.
I have no idea how credible a source Lifewire is, but they rate the search engine capabilities of Internet Archive as #10 out of what they call their top 10.
Interesting information world. So much to see, with so little time to see it...[smile]

Jim Forsythe

George
What's credible today,  may not be credible tomorrow. Also  the 10,000 sheets of data collected was just that, and I hope no one is still saving them,  The Wayback Machine uses digital, so most of the work is done by computers.
When my son that does this for a living ,talks to me about things like this , he has to dumb it down for me.

How is data keep safe?
File storage encryption is just the encryption of stored data, usually for the purpose of protecting sensitive information from being viewed by people who shouldn't have access to it. 
What encryption system do they use .It may be AES or Blowfish or some other program depending on needs .

The AES encryption algorithm is available in different variants: 128-bit, 192-bit, and 256-bit.
 A higher bit-rate will technically provide greater security than a smaller one, but for practical purposes, even the 128-bit encryption option is entirely sufficient in safe-guarding digital information.

But some want more protection, and they can step up to the next level. If they have the budget.
Blowfish is another strong encryption algorithm that may be used to secure  store data. Blowfish uses a key length anywhere from 32 bits up to 448 bits.

Encryption, how does it work?
The major difference between these bit-rates is that the longer key sizes use more rounds than the smaller ones. For example, 128-bit encryption uses 10 rounds while 256-bit encryption uses 14 rounds, and Blowfish uses 16. So 4 or 6 more rounds are used in the longer key sizes, which translates to additional repetitions in converting the plaintext to cliphertext. The more repetitions that occur, the more jumbled the data becomes, making it even harder to break.
However, even though 128-bit encryption doesn't repeat the cycle as many times as the other bit-rates, it's still extremely secure, and would take a huge amount of processing power and far too much time to break using today's technology.


George Croix

Jim, please, use English when you post....[beam][beam]
I'm just an old refinery process foreman and fire captain.....ya don't have to be a tech genius to be those.....a good thing for me......

"What's credible today, may not be credible tomorrow.'
Amen to that........
The only exceptions are the few folks or organizations or 'leaders' or whatever who declare their own reality....that's always 'self-credible', even as it's unfixable....and timeless.....[beam][beam]
You can spot them by their...uh,...audacity, since this is a family newspaper...if you care to waste time doing so in the first place....
Jim, it's deer season opening day in only 4 more, so it's time to set some priorities....
Hold down the fort....[smile][wink]

Jim Forsythe


I guess my son's talking about Teck. things has done some good. He still talks above my level.
All that about Encryption means , your data is safe.
Have a good time, and Rattle some horns.
         ```````````````Jim``````````````

Mark Aaron

Steve: "Mark now has the largest avatar on the forum."

Yeah, I had no idea it would be so big. Now it won't let me delete it or resize it. Hopefully others will add theirs so I don't stick out so bad.

George Croix

Good for him.
Now I don't even have to look for a name to just walk right on by and ignore ccontent....
Life is good....[whistling][innocent]

Mark Aaron

George: "Now I don't even have to look for a name to just walk right on by"

Still afraid of me George? Poor thing.

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