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Indivisible and Indivisible Galveston exist simply to:

• Promote awareness of the need for public accountability of the government, its agencies and officials, access to government information;

• Promote public participation and awareness of the need for political and social reform to empower citizen involvement in local community, state, and federal government decision-making; and

• Increase public engagement with the government to effectuate governance by the public, public access to government information, and promotion of accountability of the government, its agencies and officials.

Indivisible Galveston doesn’t even have a bank account. Indivisible’s national fundraising philosophy is fueled only by small individual donations.

Indivisible Galveston is extremely proud of the more than 700 men and women in our coastal community who, regardless of their political affiliation, are committed to honest dissent, peaceful resistance and standing indivisible against racist, misogynist and broadly bigoted agendas.

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Carlos Ponce

Indivisible and Indivisible Galveston exist simply to:
Hate Donald Trump
Oppose Conservative Values and candidates
Promote Leftist ideals
While Indivisible Galveston seems civil the same cannot be said of other Indivisible groups throughout the country. Birds of a feather.....

anna banana

Can you expand on what conservative values means? Because all I've seen from that camp boils down to keeping the poor down, stripping women of their bodily autonomy, and promoting extremist Christianity.

Carlos Ponce

Everybody has their own view of Conservatism. Here's mine.
Upholding the Constitution and Laws of the United States. Activist judges run contrary to that. Don't read into it what isn't there.
Fund what is Constitutionally required. Anything else belongs to the states and or people.
No funding of abortions. That's the law. Planned Parenthood claims no money is used for abortions but Federal money is used to fund the doctors, nurses, support staff, medical equipment, maintenance staff, utilities and building upkeep - the money goes into the budget so no Federal money is used on the books but who do they think they are fooling?
In McCulloch v. Maryland the Supreme Court ruled the Power to tax is the power to destroy. We want a balanced budget and accountability for tax dollars.
Extreme Christianity? What's wrong with that?
An "Extremist Christian" cares for the poor, the widow, the orphaned without prodding from the government.
An "Extremist Christian" looks after his relatives, neighbors. After Hurricane Ike, Operation Blessing, Samaritan's Purse, Catholic Charities accomplished much more than FEMA ever did. Much of FEMA's money got caught up in bureaucracy.
An "Extremist Christian" will pray for you and do you no harm. And if harmed will "turn the other cheek".
An "Extremist Christian" honors and obeys civil authorities and laws.
An "Extremist Christian" follows the teachings of Christ.
The challenge to GW Bush's "Faith Based Initiative" was ruled against by the Supreme Court in Hein v. Freedom From Religion Foundation(2007). No Constitutional problem as long as the guideline against proselytizing was enforced and no discrimination because of religion or lack of.

Craig Lindberg

Keeping the poor down? Who are you trying to kid? The Democrats are the party of keeping the poor down for their selfish political gain.

Doyle Beard

Maybe all the liberal professors and colleges might think about the last paragraph. This is the criteria they used to get their foot in the door but now seem to think differently. Hypocrisy is so great among them now.

Doyle Beard

Nothing wrong with real honest dissent but as most town hall meetings town hall meeting are very uncivil which is Unamerican

Jim Forsythe

If meeting, are run correctly, a lot can come from the town hall meetings. If they are not organized correctly ,then they can be counter productive. Part of leadership is controlling the diverse attendees. If not able to do so , it may show a possible lack in leadership. Taking the easy path , is not always the best way.

Is the following  Un-American, or based on Americans have a right to protest? If one protest, they must be willing to accept any consequences that happen.
Where did the enter and disrupt town hall events  come from?
(FreedomWorks is a grassroots service center dedicated to helping activists fight for lower taxes, less government, and more freedom.)

August 3, 2009
As Rachel Slajda reported earlier this afternoon, there seems to be a growing incidence of members of Congress being shouted down at town hall events by tea party protestors. Those tactics will likely become much more common. As Think Progress first reported, one tea-party friendly group has disseminated a strategy memo for other anti-reform and anti-government groups, outlining what they consider best-practices for protesters who plan to enter and disrupt town hall events hosted by members of Congress over the August recess–practices that, according to the memo, “could be useful to activists in just about any district where their Congressperson has supported the socialist agenda of the Democrat leadership in Washington.”
The memo, authored by Robert MacGuffie, who runs the website rightprinciples.com, suggests that tea partiers should “pack the hall… spread out” to make their numbers seem more significant, and to “rock-the-boat early in the Rep’s presentation…to yell out and challenge the Rep’s statements early…. to rattle him, get him off his prepared script and agenda…stand up and shout and sit right back down.”
MacGuffie is a volunteer for FreedomWorks, the industry funded group that helps organize and support the tea party protests. But he denies that his small group has any direct affiliation with FreedomWorks. “We are recommending with that memo that other grassroots groups that share our view should go to the town halls of their members and use the strategy that we did,” MacGuffie told me, confirming the memo’s authenticity. “We are trying to get into that town halls to make them understand that they do not have the unanimous support from people in their communities.”
If these tactics catch on, and August recess health care events are characterized by organized agit- prop, it could have a dramatic impact on the tenor of the health care debate, and the media coverage of the events this month. Buckle your seatbelts.


Carlos Ponce

"Part of leadership is controlling the diverse attendees.'
Ideally, before entering a Town Hall Meeting you would produce your Voter ID card that shows YOU ARE AN ACTUAL CONSTITUENT OF THAT CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT. Then you will need a photo ID to PROVE YOU ARE THE PERSON ON THAT CERTIFICATE. But we know what would happen if a Representative DARED asked for that.[scared]
The problem with Town Hall meetings nowadays is they attract agitators from outside the Congressional District who just make a mockery of that meeting by shouting "shame, shame, shame" every time a Conservative idea is spoken. That's not dialog. That's FASCISM!

Jim Forsythe

If no one provides ID, how do you know they are from outside the District?

"But we know what would happen if a Representative DARED asked for that " Have they done this?
Do they set grounds rules?
Do they have enough police  to enforce rules?
Do they provide a large enough place, so everyone that wants to come, can?
Do they provide excuses why they can not hold meetings?
If they had a town hall meeting , they would be asked questions, they may not want to answer.
They work for all, not just the ones that agree with them?

Carlos Ponce

"Inside the town hall, CNN found one couple that had driven from Arizona to participate -- but dozens of others all said they were from Utah..."
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/14/politics/democrats-town-halls-chaffetz/index.html
“Many identified themselves as liberal Democrats and progressives, while party registration in McClintock’s district — which incorporates all or part of 10 counties spanning from Tahoe to Yosemite — is solidly Republican.” And one woman told the newspaper [The Sacramento Bee] that she “drove hours” to be there, meaning she was almost certainly not from McClintock’s district "“I drove hours over a snowy pass to be there … we were told that the venue was at capacity and no one else would be allowed in", wrote Lauren Lake.
http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article130781279.html
Tom McClintock won California's 4th Congressional District by an almost 2 to 1 margin in 2016.

Jim Forsythe

McClintock’s Town Hall meeting.
“Many identified themselves as liberal Democrats and progressives, while party registration in McClintock’s district — which incorporates all or part of 10 counties spanning from Tahoe to Yosemite — is solidly Republican.” As they let only 200 people allowed in, should they all been Republicans, or first come first served.

"And one woman told the newspaper [The Sacramento Bee] that she “drove hours” to be there, meaning she was almost certainly not from McClintock’s district "“I drove hours over a snowy pass to be there"  . If she was coming from  Yosemite National Park to Roseville it is 184 miles on good roads, and 3 hr 21 min drive.
South Lake Tahoe, CA to Roseville, CA  is 96 miles ,but  can be hard driving, if snow is in the passes.
"Roseville police and fire officials capped attendance inside the theater at roughly 200 people. Those left outside voiced frustration about being locked out of the theater, some saying they had driven for hours simply to see McClintock face to face." Would not have had this problem, if they had used a larger venue.

Rep. Jason Chaffetz   Town Hall meeting. Some still have them, others choose to not , and just complain about, it's to hard.
. --" but dozens of others all said they were from Utah" " Why would this be a surprise. as it was    Utah's  Rep. Jason Chaffetz  Town Hall meeting.
He also announced from his home Thursday that he will resign from Congress on June 30th citing family reasons

Most were Utahan's
"Dan Bartlett, the police lieutenant responsible for those tweets, told CNN Monday that two men wearing handguns on their hips (Utah is an open-carry state) and bandanas over their faces were "yelling at the crowd to rush the cops when we had closed the front door to the school when it reached occupancy."
But the crowd of hundreds of anti-Chaffetz protesters actually stepped in and defended police, Bartlett said.
"The crowd was great with us," he said.
Inside the town hall, CNN found one couple that had driven from Arizona to participate -- but dozens of others all said they were from Utah, and spoke of local issues that concerned them.
Asked about the tweet indicating some had come from out of state, Bartlett said, "It wasn't a large majority or anything like that.
We just talked to a few people who had come from out of town."
Told that CNN had found most were Utahns, he said, "Oh yeah, absolutely."

Jim Forsythe

Do they work with the Republicans, and Democrat chairs to work out the rules.
Maybe have questions turned in  before the event, and alternate between Democrats and Republicans with chairs reading questions.

Steve Fouga

I admire the anti-Trump protesters. Not the violent ones. There's no need for that yet, and hopefully there never will be. Still, the Trump presidency, and some of his policies, are definitely worth protesting.

Events of the past few months have inspired me to listen to protest songs from my past. "Those eloquent songs from the good old days, that set us to marching with banners ablaze..."

Carlos Ponce

Peaceful protest is good but hollering "Shame, shame, shame" every time a Republican says anything makes them look like idiots. What did they expect? These are Conservative Congressmen elected just months ago in Conservative Congressional Districts. If they (Congressmen) espoused Liberal ideals they would lose the majority of their voters who are also the majority in that Congressional District.
I would tell the dissenters to go to the Town Hall meetings, ask their questions. But if they don't like the answer just state so with an "I don't agree" and move on. Throwing a hissy fit is not civil.
Remember the protests of the 60s led to the election of Richard Nixon in 1968 and 1972. Nixon won 49 states in 1972. And there was little protesting prior to James Earl Carter's victor in 1976.
But we did hear these lyrics:
"Now Watergate does not bother me
Does your conscience bother you?
Tell the truth."

Steve Fouga

Carlos, I actually voted for Nixon in '72. I would again, given the choice.

To answer Lynyrd Skynyrd's question, no, my conscience never bothered me. When I voted I had no idea of the extent of Watergate.

When I didn't vote for Mr. Trump, I had a very good idea of the extent of his past wrongdoings, and his potential for future ones because of his conflicts of interest and ties to Russia. By observing him, I also understood his narcissism, his reliance on cronies, and his lack of attention to detail. If I had voted for him, my conscience would definitely bother me now.

Jim Forsythe

As the leader of the USA likes to demonstrate bad behavior , why would anyone ,expect anything else, from the public

Shouted down, is not new .
August 3, 2009
"As Rachel Slajda reported earlier this afternoon, there seems to be a growing incidence of members of Congress being shouted down at town hall events by tea party protestors. Those tactics will likely become much more common. As Think Progress first reported, one tea-party friendly group has disseminated a strategy memo for other anti-reform and anti-government groups, outlining what they consider best-practices for protesters who plan to enter and disrupt town hall events hosted by members of Congress over the August recess–practices that, according to the memo, “could be useful to activists in just about any district where their Congressperson has supported the socialist agenda of the Democrat leadership in Washington.”
The memo, authored by Robert MacGuffie, who runs the website rightprinciples.com, suggests that tea partiers should “pack the hall… spread ouany thing else from the public?t” to make their numbers seem more significant, and to “rock-the-boat early in the Rep’s presentation…to yell out and challenge the Rep’s statements early…. to rattle him, get him off his prepared script and agenda…stand up and shout and sit right back down.”
MacGuffie is a volunteer for FreedomWorks, the industry funded group that helps organize and support the tea party protests. But he denies that his small group has any direct affiliation with FreedomWorks. “We are recommending with that memo that other grassroots groups that share our view should go to the town halls of their members and use the strategy that we did,” MacGuffie told me, confirming the memo’s authenticity. “We are trying to get into that town halls to make them understand that they do not have the unanimous support from people in their communities.”
"Some Tea Party organizers have stated that they look to leftist Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals for inspiration. Protesters have also appropriated left-wing imagery; the logo for the March 9/12 on Washington featured a raised fist design that was intended to resemble those used by the pro-labor, anti-war, and black power movements of the 1960s. In addition, the slogan "Keep Your Laws Off My Body", usually associated with pro-choice activists, has been seen on signs at tea parties."

Keith Gray

Yet???? There is not reason to even put that little gig into your comment.

Jim Forsythe

Billie Holiday: "Strange Fruit,  has to be , one of the most powerful protest songs ever written!
It talks about, what most do not want to talk about..
Lyrics and  song below. Also the story about who wrote it, and the governments response.
http://www.npr.org/2012/09/05/158933012/the-strange-story-of-the-man-behind-strange-fruit

Another very powerful protest song.
BOB DYLAN masters of war:
And I hope that you die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
By the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand o'er your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead  
https://www.bing.com/search?q=masters+of+war+youtube&form=EDNTHT&mkt=en-us&httpsmsn=1&refig=8e37a3d00c104105ed2c6347cbcbf010&sp=4&qs=AS&pq=%27masters+of+war%27&sk=AS3&sc=8-16&cvid=8e37a3d00c104105ed2c6347cbcbf010

Some of my favorites protest songs
'Freedom' by Richie Havens
Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young, 'Ohio', .
Buffalo Springfield, 'For What It's Worth',
Bob Dylan, 'The Times They Are A-Changin'',
Barry McGuire, 'Eve of Destruction'
Bob Dylan, 'Blowin' in the Wind', 
Creedence Clearwater Revival, 'Fortunate Son'
Country Joe and the Fish, 'I-Feel-Like-I'm-Fixin'-to-Die Rag',
U2: "Sunday Bloody Sunday,
Plastic Ono Band: "Give Peace A Chance 
Marvin Gaye: "What's Going On?"

Steve Fouga

Jim, I just made a 50-song playlist of protest music from the 60s-90s. Every song from your list is on it, except 'Freedom,' which I'll need to check out. (BTW, if you're not familiar with the exquisite, touching lyrics of 'Chimes of Freedom,' from another Side of Bob Dylan, you should take a listen. It's somewhat different from the Byrds's cover.)

I can hardly bear to listen to 'Strange Fruit.' It must be gut-wrenching being a black person listening to that masterpiece. Whenever I play it, I'm reminded how far our nation has come, how awful it must have been, and how important it is to prevent backsliding.

Jim Forsythe

One story, I read about Billie Holiday, said she got to the point, she did not want to sing it anymore. One artist I forgot to add, was Woody Guthrie as he had many protest songs  that were very to the point.
You were right about Chimes of Freedom, very Dylan .Thanks Steve

Richie Havens Freedom Woodstock 1969 link below.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=freedom+woodstock&&view=detail&mid=8394841864B5B461C3F18394841864B5B461C3F1&rvsmid=8685A6618CAE4274878D8685A6618CAE4274878D&fsscr=0&FORM=VDFSRV

If you like Joan Baez and have not listened to--"Saigon Bride, its below.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=Joan+Baez--%22Saigon+Bride&form=EDNTHT&mkt=en-us&httpsmsn=1&refig=3897b788316b46a389d567d2f91728a6&sp=-1&pq=joan+baez--%22saigon+bride&sc=0-24&qs=n&sk=&cvid=3897b788316b46a389d567d2f91728a
Some others.
Give Peace a Chance" / "Imagine" - John Lennon
"Bring 'Em Home" - Pete Seeger 
Handsome Johnny" - Richie Havens

 


Steve Fouga

Well, Jim, you caused me to purchase Richie Havens's 'Freedom.' I bought the version from his 1969 Paris concert, rather than the historic Woodstock performance. iTunes would have forced me to buy the entire Woodstock album just to get the Richie Havens track.

I was given the Woodstock vinyl album when I graduated from high school, but I didn't realize how important it would eventually be considered. I just wasn't into live albums. I took it to a record shop unopened, and traded it for The Byrds' Greatest Hits, Best of the Bee Gees, and the Beatles' Yesterday and Today. Knowing what I know now, I might still make the same trade.

Jim Forsythe

What you traded for is great, so I would call it even.
Hope you liked Richie Havens's 'Freedom .You can watch movie Woodstock, on line and just skip the talking , if all you want to do is listen to the music. 
On my favorites from  Woodstock is  Santana - Soul Sacrifice 1969 "Woodstock"
https://www.bing.com/search?q=santana+woodstock&form=EDNTHT&mkt=en-us&httpsmsn=1&refig=aa3a736dd30d43e0a78a5ece8658da69&sp=1&qs=SC&pq=sanatawoodstock&sc=8-15&cvid=aa3a736dd30d43e0a78a5ece8658da69

Steve Fouga

That Woodstock set established Santana as one of the great jam bands. I have the CD 'Santana (Legacy Edition)' which includes several of their Woodstock songs. Soul sacrificed is featured as both a studio track and the Woodstock track.

Craig Lindberg

“Without debate, without criticism, no administration and no country can succeed — and no republic can survive.”

Can you even say that with a straight face? It would be harder to get farther from current leftist political thought.

Steve Fouga

Craig, I guess I'm not tuned in to the current leftist political thought. Could you list a few of its most important points?

Craig Lindberg

Please; trying to be cute is do unbecoming. I suspect that you are well aware of the left's abject intolerance of anything challenging their narrative.

Steve Fouga

Nope, I'm serious. I doubt you can even state what the "leftist" agenda is -- unless you mean the Sanders aganda. As for the rest of the Democrats, to my eye they seem all over the place. They are nowhere close to being united. That's my take.

I asked you to list a few leftist points; if you don't want to, that's fine. I don't respond well to internet forum requests either.

Jim Forsythe

Not all Democrat's are the same. Just as not all Republican's have the same needs. Trying to label all of any group, is not reality.
From the list below, a Democrat may hold only a few, as with what they believe.
"Some Modern Democrats are called "the left", "liberals" or "progressives", even though not all Democrats are left-wing or liberal. In the United States, each of the political parties are large coalitions that cover many different kinds of ideology. A mostly Democratic state is sometimes called a "blue state", this original color scheme was based on Great Britain's political system, which used red to denote the more liberal party and was first used in the 1976 presidential election campaign.
Generally Democrats support:"
Progressive income tax, increasing overall tax income
Higher corporate taxes and recapturing income from overseas profits
Expanding spending on government programs
Spending on business, education, infrastructure, clean-energy
Expanding rights to Abortion
Restrictions of weapons use and potentially dangerous users through government oversight
Universal healthcare
Regulating business and the economy
Same-sex marriage

Carlos Ponce

Thanks for the list, Jim. It just re-affirms my decision in 1972 to choose Conservatism over Liberalism. [beam]

Jim Forsythe

Since Liberals number about  24 percent , a lot of Democrat's are not  Liberals .  
Most Presidents are elected by the independent voter not Democrat's or Republicans .
Approximately 28 million independent voters registered nationwide.
Some secretary of state offices do not regularly update this information and not every state offers the option of declaring party preference upon registration.
Carlos, if you had said I have changed to Democrat, I would have said the  Democrat's had lost their way.

Carlos Ponce

"Since Liberals number about 24 percent , a lot of Democrat's are not Liberals ."
So they claim.[rolleyes]

Jim Forsythe

  19% of Democrats identity themselves as conservative  
In American politics, a conservative Democrat is a member of the Democratic Party with conservative political views, or with views relatively conservative with respect to those of the national party. While such members of the Democratic Party can be found throughout the nation, actual elected officials are disproportionately found within the Southern states, and to a lesser extent within rural regions of the United States generally, more commonly in the West. 

Libertarian wing 
Civil liberties advocates, and people against national debt, also often support the Democratic Party because its positions on such issues as civil rights and separation of church and state are more closely aligned to their own than the positions of the Republican Party, and because the Democrats' economic agenda may be more appealing to them than that of the Libertarian Party      

Progressive wing
Congressional Progressive Caucus from the United States House of Representatives in the 115th United States Congress
Today progressive Democrats are generally regarded as social progressives on social issues. On economic issues, progressive Democrats generally promote Keynesian economics or a mixed economic system

Centrist wing
In December 1972, the Coalition for a Democratic Majority, a centrist faction within the Democratic Party

Carlos Ponce

"19% of Democrats identity themselves as conservative" Really ? [rolleyes]

Jim Forsythe

yes

Carlos Ponce

They can "call" themselves Conservative but the Democratic Party Platform runs contrary to anything remotely Conservative.

Steve Fouga

Hey, Jim and Carlos, fellow music lovers, there are also:

War -- Edwin Starr
Bring the Boys Home -- Freda Payne
Say It Loud - I'm Black and I'm Proud -- James Brown
Taxman -- The Beatles
Something in the Air -- Thunderclap Newman
Southern Man -- Neil Young
Save the Country -- 5th Dimension
Prison Trilogy -- Joan Baez
Land of Confusion -- Genesis
Gods of War -- Def Leppard
Fight the Power -- Public Enemy
Prologue - Someday -- Chicago
Freedom of Speech -- Ice-T
Universal Soldier -- Buffy Ste Marie (but popularized by Donovan)

My impression is that protest songs are not a big deal now, but maybe they need to be. No matter whose side you're on.

Carlos Ponce

Taxman was a song written by George Harrison protesting taxes. "'Taxman' was when I first realised that even though we had started earning money, we were actually giving most of it away in taxes. It was and still is typical."
Sounds like George Harrison started the TEA (Taxed Enough Already) movement back in 1966.[beam]

Jim Forsythe

Steve, you have me thinking about protest songs of today. I could not think of any. But when I started looking , and I found a lot.
Part of the reason , most are by groups I do not listen to. Some I just forgot about ,below is what I found

The best site  is below. These are songs I know, for the most part, but what I like, is they explain what they were protesting.
The 25 most powerful protest songs of all time
http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2016/05/25_most_powerful_protest_songs.html

This is the  explanation  I like the best.
The title track from Springsteen’s seventh and most successful album was misunderstood right from the beginning. “Born in the U.S.A.” was a defiant anthem about America’s poor treatment of Vietnam veterans. The song was so misunderstood, countless politicians of the time (including Ronald Reagan), who were responsible for the issues Springsteen was rebelling against, used it to soundtrack their campaigns.

The Dixie Chicks, came to mind.
"Music superstars the Dixie Chicks are finding out that criticizing President Bush's plans for war in Iraq can cost you air play, big time."
This song  Not Ready to Make Nice", came fro this. 


The following show how out of touch I'm with todays music.
http://www.getintothis.co.uk/2015/08/top-ten-modern-protest-songs/

The 50 Best Protest Songs of 2016
http://www.villagevoice.com/2016/12/21/the-50-best-protest-songs-of-2016/

Carlos Ponce

A song that was anti-war but not overtly was "Last Train to Clarksville" by the Monkees - "And I don't know if I'm ever coming home".

Jim Forsythe

Last Train to Clarksville" by the Monkees
Copying the best, helped to produce a hit.
"The song, written by the songwriting duo Tommy Boyce and Bobby Hart, has been compared to The Beatles' "Paperback Writer", particularly the "jangly" guitar sound, the chord structure, and the vocal harmonies. The Beatles song had been number one in the US charts three months earlier"

Funny, sometime mistakes, turn out to be what is needed for a song lyrics.
"Hart got the idea for the lyrics when he turned on the radio and heard the end of The Beatles' "Paperback Writer". He thought Paul McCartney was singing "Take the last train", and decided to use the line when he found out McCartney was actually singing "Paperback Writer".

Jim Forsythe

Not music, but remember "The Rent Is Too Damm High Party's" candidate Jimmy McMillan"
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