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December 9, 2016

President should be ashamed

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  • Island Runner posted at 7:45 am on Fri, Oct 11, 2013.

    Island Runner Posts: 401

    Sounds like GOP clap trap to me. The only ones at fault here is the GOP and Tea Baggers.

  • carlosrponce posted at 8:19 am on Fri, Oct 11, 2013.

    carlosrponce Posts: 6565

    The President and his minions are hurting Americans, Conservatives and Liberals, TEA Partiers and Progressives, and all those in-between just to make political hay. The items mentioned in this Letter to the Editor are just the tip of the iceberg. One Park Ranger even admitted that his orders were to make life difficult during the government shutdown (Washington Times). Thank you for the excellent letter. The President should be ashamed of what they are doing. If underlings are acting on their own the President should lead and take charge of the situation. His inaction shows a lack of true leadership. As Private Gomer Pyle would say, " SHAME, SHAME, SHAME!"

  • sverige1 posted at 9:41 am on Fri, Oct 11, 2013.

    sverige1 Posts: 4054

    I just saw on one of those channel 13 ticker tapes this morning that the President signed to continue the financial benefits to the fallen troops' families.

    A lot of what was illustrated in this "for shame" letter are things that any President would have no direct control over. As for the benefit payments, that and many stop-gap measures take preliminary legislative processes (aka congressional Senate/House clearings) before he can sign or "execute" them. That's the "executive" part of government.

    Basic GOV 101 for non-majors: - folks need to go back and get a refresher, it seems.

  • gecroix posted at 9:44 am on Fri, Oct 11, 2013.

    gecroix Posts: 6441

    You never answered my about my Uncle, the WWII paratrooper, and a Tea party member, being one of your 'Nazis'.

  • sverige1 posted at 10:00 am on Fri, Oct 11, 2013.

    sverige1 Posts: 4054

    Response to Island Runner posted at 7:45 am on Fri, Oct 11, 2013:

    Have you ever noticed that, in the majority of cases, Republicans/Tea Partiers deal with information less efficiently, ignore facts, and, generally, adapt less? Republicans criticize without factual basis. You can even read it in Forums like these. Interesting link:


  • IHOG posted at 10:56 am on Fri, Oct 11, 2013.

    IHOG Posts: 2486

    As the COO or chief executive officer of our government BHO directly made the choices of who or what to close.
    That's why the WWII memorial was closed but his favorite government golf course was open.
    800,000 government employees were furlowed and he had the check list of who or where.
    If 400,000 welfare bureaucracy employees had instead been laid off more money would have been saved and no one would have noticed.
    It's why he chose what he chose. Make it bigger, make it cost more, irritate the most people and point finger.

  • gerhardmeinecke posted at 11:06 am on Fri, Oct 11, 2013.

    gerhardmeinecke Posts: 236

    I am not challenging here the merits of what caused the shut-down. This is just to serve as to how it started to help clarify the sequence of events. Yes, the President and the Democrats ar not blameless in this, but neither are the Republicans.

    We elect who we see best representing our views. One criteria we need to add is having the ability to be pragmatic. No one one ever gets all he wants.

    On August 21st, Congressman Mark Meadows sent a letter to John Boehner. Meadows was not pleased with how Boehner and his fellow Republican leaders in the House were approaching the September fight over spending. The annual appropriations to fund the government were scheduled to run out on October 1st, and much of it would stop operating unless Congress passed a new law. Meadows wanted Boehner to use the threat of a government shutdown..

    The letter said, “…we urge you to affirmatively de-fund the implementation and enforcement of ObamaCare in any relevant appropriations bill brought to the House floor in the 113th Congress, including any continuing appropriations bill.”

    Meadows circulated the letter it among his colleagues, and seventy-nine Republicans added their signatures. - These eighty members represent eighteen per cent of the House and a third of the two hundred and thirty-three House Republicans. They were elected with fourteen and a half million of the hundred and eighteen million votes cast in House elections last November, or twelve per cent of the total. In all, they represent fifty-eight million constituents. That is eighteen per cent of the population.

    The following is a partial list of members who signed the letter by Rep. Mark Meadows, including quotes by some of them

    • Justin Amash - Grand Rapids, Michigan
    • Michele Bachmann - Stillwater, Minnesota
    o “This is about the happiest I’ve seen members in a long time because we’ve seen we’re starting to win this dialogue on a national level.”
    • Marsha Blackburn - Brentwood, Tennessee
    • Mo Brooks - Huntsville, Alabama
    o “America survived the last 17 government shutdowns.”
    • Paul Broun - Athens, Georgia
    • John Carter - Rock, Texas
    • John Culberson - Houston, Texas
    • Ron DeSantis - Ponte Vedra Beach, Florida
    • Scott DesJarlais - Jasper, Tennessee
    • Jeff Duncan - Laurens, South Carolina
    o “I rather shut down the government than continue doing what we’re doing…”
    • John Fleming - Minden, Louisiana
    • Scott Garrett - Wantange Township, New Jersey
    • Phil Gingrey - Marietta, Georgia
    • Louie Gohmert - Tyler, Texas
    • Tom Graves - Ranger, Georgia
    • Vicky Hartzler - Harrisonville, Missouri
    • Tim Huelskamp - Fowler, Kansas
    o "Most Americans realize the government shutdown has no impact on their daily life. They got their mail today; they're going to get their Social Security check."
    • Jim Jordan - Urbana, Ohio
    • Steve King - Kiron, Iowa
    • Raul Labrador - Eagle, Idaho
    • Tom Massie - Garrison, Kentucky
    o "It’s just not that big of a deal."
    • Tom McClintock - Elk Grove, California
    • Mark Meadows - Cashier, North Carolina
    • Randy Neugebauer - Lubbock, Texas
    • Matt Salmon - Mesa, Arizona
    • Mark Sanford - Charleston, South Carolina
    • Steve Scalise - Jefferson, Louisiana
    • Dave Schweikert - Fountain Hills, Arizona
    o "I know it's not comfortable for a lot of people here, but this is how it's supposed to work. It's supposed to be cantankerous. It's supposed to be this constant grinding."
    • Steve Stockman - Clear Lake, Texas
    • Marlin Stutzman - Howe, Indiana
    • Randy Weber - Pearland, Texas
    • Ted Yoho - Gainesville, Florida

  • IHOG posted at 11:12 am on Fri, Oct 11, 2013.

    IHOG Posts: 2486

    Just one problem.
    The bill was passed, signed and law since Oct.1
    Hagle had been told he had the money but to not use it.
    BHO, as usual, claims he wasn't the problem but would fix it.

  • carlosrponce posted at 11:12 am on Fri, Oct 11, 2013.

    carlosrponce Posts: 6565

    As that web-site (occasionalplanet) states:"Looking at current events, people, politics and government through a progressive lens". It's a far different planet than the the REAL one the rest of us live on. Sverige, if you rely on these obscure left-wing websites no wonder your views are so skewed. I will pray for wisdom for you. May God Bless.

  • sverige1 posted at 11:21 am on Fri, Oct 11, 2013.

    sverige1 Posts: 4054

    Response to gecroix posted at 9:44 am on Fri, Oct 11, 2013:

    I know that I am not the one to respond, since I did not make said comparison. I am one to say that just because someone is a Tea Party member, it is outrageous to automatically say that "Tea party" is synonymous with "Nazi".

    I would say that the vast majority of Tea party members are simply misguided folks who were conditioned (probably by family members) to dislike anyone who isn't a full "player" in capitalism. That is, someone who is dependent (for whatever reason) on the government is a "drain" on hard-working people's tax contribution...makes honest folks pay more, et cetera.

    Of course, this does not take into account the underemployed, disadvantaged, recent hard-working immigrant who needs health care, a mom needing a WIC, and others with more support. Again, misguided folks who are "all or nothing". If you "depend" on something, you're the default "enemy" of the Tea Partiers.

    This is a far cry from the blatant and hateful Nazi/white power groups who would even find something to dislike in some Tea party members. Extremism on any side is dangerous.

  • Jbgood posted at 11:23 am on Fri, Oct 11, 2013.

    Jbgood Posts: 2471

    Ohhhh come now my friends,...there are more individuals than President Obama in DC who should be ashamed! I'm reminded of a lady who use to live on my street back in the day,...and when the kids who lived on that street use to get into a ruckus,....everybody's kid was at fault but her's.
    Naw,...Obama is not the only fool up there, for there are many,...and they wear (R) by their names as well as (D) too. Looking at some of the polling numbers from around the country, I'm not the only one who think so. Saying there are those who are as pure as the driven snow in this fiasco, is imitating the same stance BOTH sides are clinging to now in NOT serving the people, they put their hands on holy bibles and swore to serve.
    I've never liked John McCain,...but I might've sold him short. I think I will reevaluate, revisit my feeling toward my fellow Vietnam comrade,because he seems to be a man NOW and in the past who can make bipartisanship work for the majority of the American society.

  • drumb47 posted at 11:27 am on Fri, Oct 11, 2013.

    drumb47 Posts: 405

    No. 1. The President of The United States does not hold the purse strings, Congress does.

    Before posting nonsense, please go back and do a little research in your government and civic books. Seems you might have been absent when those classes were being taught.

  • Jbgood posted at 12:55 pm on Fri, Oct 11, 2013.

    Jbgood Posts: 2471

    They are all fools in my opinions, and they are acting totally ill responsible! You can believe what you want, and I'll do the same! Obama is not innocent in all this, but you are free to believe that he is, as I have said, but I'm not buying it!

  • gerhardmeinecke posted at 1:21 pm on Fri, Oct 11, 2013.

    gerhardmeinecke Posts: 236

    Just when are we going to stop being sheep following the politician into fighting one another? We ought to be on the strees protesting things like the leniency about fraud eating up entitlement programs, ridiculous rise in flood insurance.

    By engaging us in lofty ideology discussions we are being diverted from the fact that the middle class gets robbed by slackers and greedy international corporation. These two groups have either the votes or the money to place people on top of us that do not even seem to see our situation as critical enough to work 40 hrs even themselves.

    Now we are paying $ 220 millions a day for getting NOTHING for preventing SOMETHING. Is there any economics in that?

  • gerhardmeinecke posted at 1:23 pm on Fri, Oct 11, 2013.

    gerhardmeinecke Posts: 236

    I got an idea: let's get together and have good time for a few hours, all of us that care enough to speak out.

  • IHOG posted at 2:54 pm on Fri, Oct 11, 2013.

    IHOG Posts: 2486


    I find I must agree this time with you.
    Conservatives think a fact is what it is. No more or less.
    Liberals think a fact needs interpretation to match their agenda
    A fact is our government is broke.
    Liberals think it isn't a fact as long as our debt can be sold to investors.
    The crisis will be a fact when investers stop buying our debt.
    Liberals say it isn't as long as the private sector has money that can be taxed.

  • gecroix posted at 3:16 pm on Fri, Oct 11, 2013.

    gecroix Posts: 6441

    "Yes, the President and the Democrats are not blameless in this, but neither are the Republicans."
    That, sir, is exactly what I've been trying, poorly, as usual on my part, to point out from the get go.
    You did so better than I.
    We will NEVER have decent government again if few if any are willing to face facts, and not just regurgitate talking points, or play favorites based on non-germain to the problem criteria.
    The President being self-important and incompetent to boot, and most of the Senate and the House in the same or even worse lack of shape, is a situation requiring action and remediation, asap. To do that, all the excuses for failures MUST be considered, not just the ones we like or that make the other guy look bad, and the voters MUST act in the country's best interest. Not their own.
    However, I despair of it ever happening again...

  • bvresident posted at 3:17 pm on Fri, Oct 11, 2013.

    bvresident Posts: 1763

    Uh JB, McCain has just demonstrated that even a military hero can be an absolute loser and utterly spineless when it comes to standing up for this country. He has sold out quite literally. I no more consider him a Republican than I do obama. Keep in mind that bipartisanship doesn't mean just giving in to the other party's demands-it might also mean refusing to budge when the greater good of this country is at stake.

  • sverige1 posted at 4:15 pm on Fri, Oct 11, 2013.

    sverige1 Posts: 4054

    The non-sense posters skipped basic GOV 101 class back in the 80s, and hung out with Lee Atwater and his electric guitar while ditching class.

  • bvresident posted at 11:58 am on Sat, Oct 12, 2013.

    bvresident Posts: 1763

    Why would the president be ashamed about refusing to negotiate for the fiscal well-being of this country? It's his goal to destroy this country.

    He wasn't ashamed about covering up the NSA spying.
    He wasn't ashamed about the deaths of an Ambassador and three Americans and covering it up.
    He wasn't ashamed about using the IRS to attack his political opponents.
    He wasn't ashamed about his Attorney General sending thousands of illegal weapons to Mexico resulting in the deaths of hundreds of Mexican citizens along with U.S. federal agents.

    Shame? No, this president doesn't know what shame is.

    You'd think the public would be somewhat intelligent enough to understand that if the democrats can't be fiscally responsible with their national organization that they can't be expected to spend our tax dollars wisely.

  • Bigjim posted at 5:47 am on Sun, Oct 13, 2013.

    Bigjim Posts: 1437

    bvresident: This is the week that action will happen. You will not like it but You and I will not have a say in what happens. You will be losing more Republican this week ( "I no more consider him a Republican ") because action will happen that both sides will not like. Republican have already given up on doing away with ACA at this time ,so it will be all about the money and debt limit.

  • RonShelby posted at 7:55 am on Sun, Oct 13, 2013.

    RonShelby Posts: 1061

    Who led us down this path???

    What newspaper or news shows have you been watching?.....Oh....FOX.

  • bvresident posted at 9:06 pm on Sun, Oct 13, 2013.

    bvresident Posts: 1763

    Ron, between you and truthserum ya'll own the left field. The Republicans didn't shut down the government. It's their job to represent their constituents and it's your president's job to serve EVERYONE in this country rather than his entitled voting base. Hussein Obama and Harry Reid are the ones who refuse to negotiate and they shut down the government.

  • Bigjim posted at 2:24 pm on Mon, Oct 14, 2013.

    Bigjim Posts: 1437

    At the end of the week this is all going to be resolved. The republicans and democrats will cave. They'll all come to a compromise. Nothing will be solved, everything will continue as usual. Republicans and Democrats have all played a part in getting us into this mess. If you can not see this then you are only looking at what makes you feel good.

  • gecroix posted at 2:45 pm on Mon, Oct 14, 2013.

    gecroix Posts: 6441

    We should fire them ALL, top down.
    Then take a directory of all the citizens of the United States, get a 5 year old girl to wear a blindfold and randomly turn the pages and point a finger at the names of enough people to fill the House, the Senate, and the White House.
    Rich man, poor man, begger man, thief, doctor, ambulance chaser, Indian chief... No WAY they could be less effective, less honest, and more inclined to division than the bunch of clowns up there now occupying everything from the Resolute Desk's home to the basement cubicles at the Capitol.

    Previous job experience doesn't matter any more, and

  • Bigjim posted at 4:46 pm on Mon, Oct 14, 2013.

    Bigjim Posts: 1437

    bvresident What field do you think you own?

  • Island Runner posted at 10:43 am on Tue, Oct 15, 2013.

    Island Runner Posts: 401

    You can thank the GOP and TEA BAGGERS for the mess we are in. Next time you vote , vote for anything that is not a GOP or TEA BAGGER candidate and the world will get better.

  • gecroix posted at 11:35 am on Tue, Oct 15, 2013.

    gecroix Posts: 6441

    You STILL haven't answered whether you include my WWII vet ex-paratrooper Uncle, who supports the Tea party, in your 'Nazi' comment about them.
    Why not?

  • Jbgood posted at 2:59 pm on Tue, Oct 15, 2013.

    Jbgood Posts: 2471

    Ahhhhhhhhlololololol! Mr. gecroix stated:
    "We should fire them ALL, top down.
    Then take a directory of all the citizens of the United States, get a 5 year old girl to wear a blindfold and randomly turn the pages and point a finger at the names of enough people to fill the House, the Senate, and the White House."

  • Bigjim posted at 3:58 pm on Tue, Oct 15, 2013.

    Bigjim Posts: 1437

    Island Runner so the GOP and TEA BAGGERS have that much power!
    If you think Dems had no part in this look back a few years and say that Dems have not had a part in this.
    Most of this is because they all are out for themselves and not us. Slice it any way you want it comes out the same.

  • gecroix posted at 4:50 pm on Tue, Oct 15, 2013.

    gecroix Posts: 6441

    Never mind. 'Why not' is perfectly clear now.

  • bvresident posted at 8:05 am on Wed, Oct 16, 2013.

    bvresident Posts: 1763

    Really island runner? When the democrats owned the White House, the Senate, and the House for two years and did anything and everything they wanted? When your president has unilaterally made exemptions and exceptions to the obamacare bill? When your president eliminated the work requirements for welfare put in place under the Clinton presidency and now for which the welfare rolls have ballooned? When your president has placed 17 MILLION more people on food stamps than when he took office? When your president refuses to answer for the numerous scandals under his watch?

    I think what you're actually referring to is that there are some in the GOP who will no longer be pushed around by Hussein while he sends this country into the tank.

  • bvresident posted at 8:06 am on Wed, Oct 16, 2013.

    bvresident Posts: 1763

    I don't think I own any field bigjim. Why?

  • bvresident posted at 10:40 am on Wed, Oct 16, 2013.

    bvresident Posts: 1763

    This is why we are such a laughingstock around the world. This president is more concerned about being "cool" than he is about being credible, serious, and respected.


    Yeah, the hip-hop Hollywood trash might take his calls but world leaders like Putin won't. Who matters more?

  • Bigjim posted at 12:17 pm on Wed, Oct 16, 2013.

    Bigjim Posts: 1437

    You said "Ron, between you and truthserum ya'll own the left field"I just wanted to know if you were in game or just sitting on the bench. Sounds like you can’t see anything but your side.
    Its time to look at what is going to happen and what can we do to change it
    If you are not active for the group you like, Dem. Rep Tea Party why not.
    Just being a group that says NO to anything the other group brings up , will keep us in the hole we are in
    Just because a group brings it up does not mean it’s the best thing . What does mean is it needs to be looked at by all groups.

  • Bigjim posted at 12:34 pm on Wed, Oct 16, 2013.

    Bigjim Posts: 1437

    “In a round of interviews with local television stations addressing the threat of a Thursday deadline for raising the U.S. debt limit, President Obama told WABC-TV’s Diana Williams that their respective daughters both share the view that celebrity friends are one of the “coolest” perks to the job“.
    This was what his and her daughters were thinking about. If he can not answerer a question what his daughters like (not about him) what kind of country have we become. Did you get upset when Ted Cruse talked about Green Eggs and Ham

  • bvresident posted at 7:01 am on Thu, Oct 17, 2013.

    bvresident Posts: 1763

    Well bigjim, it's my opinion that this "light-hearted moment" was taken out of context. By you. The mindset of obama since he's been in office is represented by his remarks in this interview regardless of the question that brought it up. Playing spades with Reggie during the Bin Laden raid, going on a fundraising to the evil Vegas the day after our Ambassador and three other Americans were murdered in Benghazi, more rounds of golf while Congress was wrestling with the shutdown, etc. It's his modus operandi and the ANSWER to the question shows-in my opinion anyway-his utter lack of respect for the office. How about the coolest perk being able to award the Medal of Honor to those who have given their all for this country?

    As for CRUZ, whatever he said in his "Green eggs and ham" filibuster-like efforts don't even come close to the dictator's numerous dalliances with incredulousness during his tenure. CRUZ is not the leader of the free world.

    Now since you seem to think of yourself as being above all of us commoners expressing our opinions on the politics of this country, why don't you tell us all just exactly what you're doing to change the way our elected officials represent us?

  • Bigjim posted at 10:38 am on Thu, Oct 17, 2013.

    Bigjim Posts: 1437

    bvresident You shore go off on tangents when someone does not bow down to your thinking. You pasted a link that I went to and what I read was that the President said this about his daughters. You came unglued and go into a speech about something else and not what you asked about.
    I just asked if you got upset with Cruz about "Green eggs and ham".I did not myself, except all it did was take up time that could have been used for something else.
    I have been a precinct chairman, stuffed envelopes , telephoned people to get them to vote went to state conventions donated money been in youth group when younger and main stream group when older E-mailed Washington and so on.. So what have You done.

  • gecroix posted at 10:57 am on Thu, Oct 17, 2013.

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    You don't have to be in the same Party, or any Party, or even agree on the same things, to respect another's straight forward and honest opinions.
    Honest is the opperative word, and all that's needed to disqualify the internet weasels, trolls, and cowards who lie, make up, and back bite, just because they can hide while doing it.
    He doesn't need any help from me, but I'll say this about Bigjim.
    I've known him for over 30 years, and he's a guy who'll come at your front, not your back. Don't always agree with him, but I know he's a straight shooter.

  • bvresident posted at 10:58 am on Thu, Oct 17, 2013.

    bvresident Posts: 1763

    So I said you took something out of context and that was going off on a tangent? Hmmm, sounds like someone's pretty thin-skinned to me. Regardless of what you believe, what I did was explain in detail why I posted the link since you seemed to be questioning it. I've never expected anyone to "bow down" to my thinking-that's what this president does. Nor did I get upset with your question about Cruz's "green eggs and ham" comment in his talk. You asked me if I got upset about what he said and I explained myself once again. " Did you get upset when Ted Cruse talked about Green Eggs and Ham" Maybe I misunderstood whether you really expected me to reply or not.

    So did you do all that campaign work for democrats and republicans or just one party? Isn't that what you're kind of pointing the finger at some of us for-just supporting one party or viewpoint? Just wondering. There are some who post on these topics thinking that no one should question or challenge their comments but that's not a realistic attitude. I get challenged for what I write and so shall you.

  • sverige1 posted at 11:11 am on Thu, Oct 17, 2013.

    sverige1 Posts: 4054

    Response to bvresident posted at 7:01 am on Thu, Oct 17, 2013:

    Well, BOvresiden -
    With your line of thinking, Obama should wear a cleric robe and be ordained as a minister of some kind so that he dare not go to Vegas or do frivolous things like play golf.

    His daughters should be groomed for a life of service as nuns (maybe Franciscan). Too bad he doesn't have a son, then he could go to the seminary and study for priesthood. I'm curious to know did you write in an opinion forum a few years back when George "Shrub" Bush directed his contractor to erect a "Western White House" emblem, and he positioned Crawford, TX as his governing place when he wasn't in Washington.

    There were many folks who thought that was treasonist, displacing the central area of power and self-proclaiming his base. I, for one, didn't go that far. But, yet and still - all Presidents do "photo-ops", and with his appealing daughters (Sasha and Malia), one must have a heart and realize that this kind of vibrancy doesn't exist that often. The Bush daughters, the Kennedy son/daughter, and now these.

    I find it amazing that you go to lengths to criticize our leader in regard to his family, of all things.

  • Bigjim posted at 11:37 am on Thu, Oct 17, 2013.

    Bigjim Posts: 1437

    Thanks gecroix yes we don't always agree but we will always be happy to listen to each other. You have made some very good points that make me think about what is right. Also you will call it the way you see it and be not be blind to the fact that no group is right all the time.

  • Bigjim posted at 12:12 pm on Thu, Oct 17, 2013.

    Bigjim Posts: 1437

    bvresident Sissy" Farenthold ran Governor of Texas was the first person I campaigned for
    Her step son, , Blake Farenthold, elected in 2010 to the United States House of Representatives as a Texas Republican, is a member of the Tea Party Caucus.
    I campaigned for George McGovern and then every Dem that ran for President. When my person lost, then I supported who was best for me . If they didn’t win I always support the person that was elected because they were now my President. May not always agree with the one in charge but always respected the office.
    So what have You done

  • bvresident posted at 1:41 pm on Thu, Oct 17, 2013.

    bvresident Posts: 1763

    Well bigjim, I have to admit that I have never spent a lot of my time to help anyone get elected. I do try to be knowledgeable but I've failed miserably on some in the last county election. Let me ask you, does all that campaign stuff you've done mean your vote counts any more than mine? Or does it make your opinion any more important that mine or anyone else's?

  • bvresident posted at 1:44 pm on Thu, Oct 17, 2013.

    bvresident Posts: 1763

    servitude, there's nothing I can say about your post. I'll let everyone read it and take it for whatever they think it's worth. It's too far out in left field for me to even try to respond to.

  • Bigjim posted at 4:36 pm on Thu, Oct 17, 2013.

    Bigjim Posts: 1437

    All votes in Texas are the same, as we vote for electors which I think we need to get rid of . What I was going to have You think about getting involved in the group that fits the way You think.You may find out that the reasons some of the things happen.
    Think about why the President was elected. One of the main reason was local groups that had volunteers in place .
    Some wolf's in sheep clothing still get elected but most time they show their true colors
    Are votes and opinions count the same

  • Bigjim posted at 6:53 pm on Thu, Oct 17, 2013.

    Bigjim Posts: 1437

    bvresident I started to think about do our votes count the same. I was wrong. If You belong to one party and I belong to another, one of our votes may be worth more. Just depends on witch group wins the electoral vote. In some cases one’s vote may not count at all in winner takes all states. This is what make it very hard for a non Dem or Rep to win.
    Four presidents took office without winning the popular vote. The last being Bush in 2000. He lost by about 500,00 votes

  • bvresident posted at 7:19 pm on Thu, Oct 17, 2013.

    bvresident Posts: 1763

    You're exactly right about that but the individual vote is still relegated to you get one and I get one or at least in theory. However, we now know that in Chicago, it's possible to raise expectations.


  • gecroix posted at 7:46 pm on Thu, Oct 17, 2013.

    gecroix Posts: 6441

    Today the President declared that 'Washington needs to get it's act together' as one part of yet another speach damning anyone who disagrees with him, and blaming everyone but himself.
    I happen to agree with the President on this one.
    DC DOES NEED to get it's act together and become functional agaian.
    After a 4 1/2 year long stint as the most partisan and ineffectual POTUS since Nixon, never missing a chance to divide rather than unite, to demonize rather than encourage, and to cast blame rather than take responsibility, I'd suggest the President get started on the team building exercise he's laid out for his crew there in DC.
    As the boss of DC, the CEO of the Government, it's the President's responsibility to get that job done he's saying needs doing.
    So, take your own advice, sir, follow your own admonition, and get a move on.
    At last.
    Common ground with my President...[smile]

  • Bigjim posted at 8:23 pm on Thu, Oct 17, 2013.

    Bigjim Posts: 1437

    2014 is coming up so they will get budget done because of reelection.
    President appointed 4 to spear head this. Hope they don’t screw it up!

  • Bigjim posted at 8:09 am on Fri, Oct 18, 2013.

    Bigjim Posts: 1437

    "the political system is broken. having 2 major parties consisting mostly of followers is not what our government is suppose to be about. I see no leader in either party that I would follow across the street. Americans need to take back America. When the congress and Senate take better care of themselves then the people they are there to represent the system is broke"
    Kind of sums it up, found this on net. I would include Tea Party

  • gecroix posted at 9:39 am on Fri, Oct 18, 2013.

    gecroix Posts: 6441

    Send out the pink slips then get that 5 year old blindfolded girl and the national directory and let her start pointing.
    Come to think of it, after yesterday's petulantly perfidious and perniciously poisonous pelting of prevarications by POTUS, we can get a 2 year old to pick his replacement.
    Definitely not "[cool]"

  • sverige1 posted at 10:38 am on Fri, Oct 18, 2013.

    sverige1 Posts: 4054

    Response to bvresident posted at 1:44 pm on Thu, Oct 17, 2013,
    Response to gecroix posted at 7:46 pm on Thu, Oct 17, 2013:

    Well Bevoresident, of course you'd be rendered speechless if what I say makes sense. Your criticisms of the President cross the boundry from disagreeing with policy to ragging on what he does for PR and photo ops, along with what his children are doing.

    They're human beings for goodness sake. Now, for gecroix - Obama has proven leadership abilities. First to mind is his work prior to presidency with Diplomacy , that is, the re-initiation of diplomatic action with Iran. Fairness - in regard to tax plan (to bring relief to middle class and small businesses), Citizenship - setting up job training and college prep programs, tenent rights groups.

    THAT'S called uniting, acting together, and being functional. Sad part is, he's gotten so much resistance from the republicans that it's so clear to see that ever since he got into office in 2008, their goal was to de-frock the man.