The City Council in League City voted 6-2 in support of a resolution that would prohibit city departments from cooperating with federal directives or requests to process or house undocumented immigrants.

The City Council in League City voted 6-2 in support of a resolution that would prohibit city departments from cooperating with federal directives or requests to process or house undocumented immigrants.

To Don Ciaccio (“Illegal immigrants are a threat,” Daily News, July 8) and all others like him, shame on you!

If you didn’t know, lice, scabies and other diseases are already here.

These children mean no harm to anyone.

Won’t you take the time to know their stories, walk a mile in their shoes and just maybe you’ll have a different outlook.

We are servants of God, here to love and help one another.

Isn’t there enough of the devil’s work at hand?

It’s not about politics. It’s about helping children.

Thank you, God and President Obama, for giving these children a chance at life.

Julie Bunyan lives in League City

(65) comments

Don Ciaccio

Problem is - children around the world in many, many countries don't have it near as nice as here in the US. Many parents of those children dream of having their children become US citizens. There is a legal process they use to apply for citizenship. The folks in Central America need to play by the same rules as every other parent does hoping to get their children to live in our country. Breaking laws and sending your child into a country breaking their laws is not the way to go about it

kevjlang
Kevin Lang

Don233, I agree. It seems the ones most guilty for breaking our laws are the people that sent these minors here. I imagine that some of these minors know what they're doing is illegal, but I'll bet that a lot of them are just doing as they're told.

Who would we tend to lock away for the longer time: the 12-year-old bank robber, or the adult that wrote the note and sent him in?

Carlos Ponce

Oh yes, Julie Bunyan is a missionary down in Central America helping them improve conditions in their home country. No , she is not. So easy to say "I'm all for it. Let League City, the State of Texas, the Federal Government take care of it. But I'm not going to dirty my dainty little hands." "We are servants of God, here to love and help one another." It's so easy to write a letter, but she wants someone else to roll up their sleeves. Actions speak volumes.

Don Ciaccio

I say to those wanting to help, step up to the plate and offer to take one of these children.

George Croix

What's shameful is a person elected to be President of the country who shoots pool, goes to fundraisers, then blames the governor of a state being overrun with illegal aliens for not getting 'his Republican buddies' to pony up 4 billion bucks to toss into the wind, yet never bothers to even so much as fly over the area.
Where's the 'compassion' for the citizens of his country...

kevjlang
Kevin Lang

Do you really think that Obama in Harlingen would have any more of an effect on the issue as Bush in New Orleans? The problem with the Federal response to Katrina had nothing to do with whether Bush set foot there or not, but everything to do with a lack of communication between those on the ground and the decision-makers in Washington. How the government ultimately fares in response to this issue is going to depend on its performance, not whether we get high-level politicians in there to see it for themselves.

Chris Gimenez

These are not "refugee" children, they are people crossing our borders illegally.

Carlos Ponce

Aren't there any good golf courses along the Texas - Mexico border to get President Obama's attention?There are plenty of things the President can do RIGHT NOW legally within the bounds of the US Constitution and laws. What's shameful is waiting for $4 billion to act. Sounds like a hostage situation to me.

Pete Nanos

How ignorant do you have to be to believe that all of a sudden there is a humanitarian crisis in Central America. Nothing has changed there for years. The only change has been Obama's advertising that they will not be deported if they come here. Two years from now Obama will have granted amnesty to those who have come here illegally and those children who are now being sent here, shipped all over the country. Obama will have fudimentally changed the country and will have made ours a third world country. Elections will no longer mean a thing because there is no way people will vote away their handouts. The streets of America are paved with gold, all you have to do is get here. Having a heart is wonderful, using your brain is what's called for here.

Don Ciaccio

Amen to that. The only change is Obama said come on up. We won't deport you!

Carlos Ponce

I'll never understand Liberals. They embrace 50,000 illegal immigrant children but don't bat an eyelash when it comes to the over 50,000,000 babies killed through a "woman's right to choose". I find THAT shameful.

George Croix

It's a great diversion from the IRS and the NSA and Benghazi and the ACA and....

Don Ciaccio

And a special thank you to Barrack Hussein Obama for sending the message to Central America to come on, we won't deport you. Nothing in Central America to warrant the exodus but our pool playing, golfing commander in chief giving them the green light to invade our country.

Don Ciaccio

You bleeding heart liberals need to go offer to adopt one of these kids and spend your money to raise them instead of having the rest of us depend our money to care for them.

Debra Criss

too bad Don233 doesn't love the child as much as he loves the fetus. such a pro-life guy.

Carlos Ponce

Making baseless assumptions, radovan?

George Croix

Is anyone proposing to kill the illegal alien children?
To burn them alive with saline, chop them into pieces, or stick a metal tube into their brains, then flush them down a toilet or toss them in a dumpster?
Somebody saying we need to make that 'choice' for them...?

Debra Criss

nothing baseless about it carlos, Don233 has stated his position.

JBG JBG

Somebody need to call GOD up and ask him if there is a difference to him between a Child in the womb, and a Child in the world! The answer is NO! I won't quote scripture, because that would take the work out of one researching it to find out personally!
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The United States is in no condition to POLICE the whole world, neither is it in any condition to PROVIDE for the whole world. The present administration in DC cause this "FLOOD" of illegals bombarding out borders by it's "DREAM SUGGA" Proclamation designed to appease the Hispanic and minority vote. This citizenship proposal was about as solid as words written on flowing water from the beginning, considering it had no real foundation to be launched from!
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Bigjim had a good proposal when he suggested, what many of us have been suggesting:
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1) Secure the borders.
2) Procure a fair Immigration policy, and initiate it.
3) Send help to South America to work with those countries who can't or WON'T do what needs to be done in order to protect their country and provide for their own people! A man who won't provide for his own is less than an INFIDEL!!!!!
4) Americans should reign in their representatives, and let them know they work for the constituents who elected them and not DEEP POCKET LOBBYISTS!

kevjlang
Kevin Lang

I'm having a hard time finding where Obama said that if you get here illegally, you won't be deported. I'm finding lots of articles where he's saying that the plan is to repatriate them to their home countries.

Carlos Ponce

Problem is in timing. He wants $4 billion up front. 9Sounds more like hostage negotiation to me!) In the mean time he wants them lawyered up for a hearing. The problem is that they are usually "no shows" for the hearings. Just faded into scenery.

kevjlang
Kevin Lang

What would be your feeling if there were provisions for holding them until their cases are heard and decided? I have no idea how this could be ensured, but if there were provisions for ensuring it, would you still be opposed to letting them have hearings and to be represented at those hearings?

Have you generally felt that presidents asking for up-front money to do things that aren't budgeted to be hostage situations? Would you prefer the government start doing things without a budget and without committed dollars, and then telling Congress to find a way to pay the bill (when we're already pretty close to scraping the debt ceiling again?)

Carlos Ponce

They could put things on the front burner and take care of things in a month or so. Congress has estimated it would take $8.5 million to fly them to their home country. The way Obama is handling things it won't be taken care of until after his term in office.

kevjlang
Kevin Lang

Congress can't even flush their toilets with $8.5 million. Sure, if you just consider the raw cost of airfare, you might have $8.5 million, but nothing gets done in DC using raw costs.

In this country, if a kid runs away from home and is picked up by the authorities, they generally do a bit more than just put the kid in a squad car and drop him back off at the end of his driveway. We should have at least some sense of obligation to make sure that we're returning these kids to some semblance of safety and security, shouldn't we? We don't want to send them back to drug addicts, molesters, rapists, or what not, do we? Or, do we just want to get rid of them as fast as we can without caring one iota about what they fled and will be returned to?

Chris Gimenez

Really Lang, is that the standard you have to hear before you'll believe it? You have to hear the boy president actually state that he's not going to send them back? How about using some common sense? If they're overwhelming the border resources what are the odds that the courts won't be overwhelmed for years and that when 95% of them don't show up for their hearings there won't be the resources to hunt them down?

I know you don't like reading anything that doesn't support your homage to the boy president but the facts are stubborn.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/07/17/obama_said_to_assure_hispanic_caucus_on_deportations_123342.html#ixzz37j8FrIDI

kevjlang
Kevin Lang

As gecroix states frequently: can't fix it. Therefore, I won't bother. When you decide that you're going to quit pulling stuff out of your rear and claim it's mine, maybe we can chat. Until then, you can find someplace else to put your excrement.

George Croix

'Dream' about it a while, and the answer will come to you...[wink]
You can check the other thread for a list of some other things 'he's said'...
Besides that, believing anything this President says after he's shown himself at every turn to be dishonest and deceitful, capable only of delaying and blaming everyone else for his failures, adept only at recreating and partying, is quite a stretch.
But, very 'progressive'...

George Croix

I sent a 100 buck check to the Red Cross designated for use down on the south Texas border. I'll send more to support whatever effort finally shows up to send them back home. But, while here, they need to eat...
That's 100 times more than Nancy Pelosi, and I haven't even made a trip there.
I join my President in that distinction.
What have all the hand wringers done, besides yammer about compassion.
Pony up!! Walk your talk.
You actually can pay for things yourself in this country, with your own money.
Try it.
[wink]

George Croix

They're still there.
How about 5 bucks?
It should be worth sending 5 bucks to the Red cross to all the folks wailing on the rest of us for our 'lack of compassion' to fund a little self-rightousness.
Anyone?
Anyone?
The kids can't eat you 'compassion'...
It makes the bread soggy...........................[wink]

JBG JBG

Jesus never asked Caesar, Nero, or Pilate'nem to help him feed the hungry or to take care of the poor! He did not ask The Romans or "UNCLE SUGGA" either! He told the CHURCH to come out of their BLUE JEAN pockets and do all that! He paid his taxes, and paid for his expenses and costs of His benevolent gifts to the needy out of his OWN MONEY BAG! ( even when a low down thief was helping himself to what was not his from that bag! ) That same spirit of helping yourself to what is not yours, is alive and kicking today it seems ).
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All you can here on this forum is about what "WE" need to do! I know one thing though, a man can LOVE a lot of "ILLEGALS" being paid for with other people's money! They call that "Counterfeit Love!"
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"Talky...Talk....Talky!" "All time Talk!" "Much talk NOT GET rice cooked!"
----------Chinese Proverb
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"Some of us watch.......WHILE some of us talk........and still others of us, are doers of GOD'S word and not hearers only, ...and WITH OUR OWN MONEY!
--------- JBG

Carlos Ponce

Thank you Jbgood! I know you get it! Jesus calls on us individually to help our neighbors, not the government. The nations will be judged on their treatment of Israel. I just hope John Kerry watches his mouth. When he called Israel an "apartheid state" all sorts of bad weather hit the fruited plain.

George Croix

How about this.
First 5 people to call with a real name (mine is in the book, and I don't write checks in care of BR549 or some other phony call sign...), I'LL send 10 bucks in your name to the Red Cross for border invasion relief, if it's just too costly to pay for all that compassion talk yourself.
The offer is good for 24 hours.
Starting...now...

JBG JBG

Mr. Ponce,
Secretary Kerry and President Obama had better leave those JEWS alone. They probably don't know what's good for them, but we can tell them can't we! About 5-6 nations found this out back in 1967!
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I just don't know, some people just won't learn, I don't care what you do, they won't let you teach them nothing, and YOU CAN'T "LEARN'EM A........*&^%* thing!
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Old JBG get TIRED of this! It is worst than trying to teach my cat ...to BARK like my dog!

Chris Gimenez

"I'm having a hard time finding where Obama said that if you get here illegally, you won't be deported. I'm finding lots of articles where he's saying that the plan is to repatriate them to their home countries." (Kevin Lang)

"Really Lang, is that the standard you have to hear before you'll believe it? You have to hear the boy president actually state that he's not going to send them back? How about using some common sense?" (ChrisGimenez)

"When you decide that you're going to quit pulling stuff out of your rear and claim it's mine, maybe we can chat. Until then, you can find someplace else to put your excrement." (Kevin Lang)

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/07/17/obama_said_to_assure_hispanic_caucus_on_deportations_123342.html

Kevin Lang seems to be embarrassed, ashamed, or angry that his statement was challenged and disproved. Somebody's pulling something out of their rear Lang, but it isn't yours truly. Either you know how to put in writing what your thoughts are or you can't. Regardless, it's not my responsibility to keep you from looking silly. You wrote it, you own it.

kevjlang
Kevin Lang

You're right, bvresident. Assume=Fact. You assume that the kids are going to be allowed to just float around the system, so therefore that's the fact.

Sorry, but I wasn't blessed with the gift of seeing the future. Cynical assumptions, sure, I can make those with the best of them. However, equating those cynical assumptions with fact, that's something that I'm not willing to do. I'm fully aware of past performance. I'm also fully aware that the people we have in power are not the sharpest tools in the shed, and they'd rather bicker through the news shows than look at what's happened in the past, the causes of those happenings, and putting in controls to prevent it from happening.

One thing that I see here is that this situation has high visibility. Perhaps that could trigger a little more diligence in keeping track of what's happening, and we will put the extra pressure on the various systems that are supposed to keep track of the kids until they can be deported. However, if we can't count on you to keep your eye on the ball, then it is more likely that this issue will be fumbled and you'll help fulfill your prophecy. Or, do you believe that you have no responsibility for diligence?

Chris Gimenez

No Lang, I'm stating my opinion which is backed up with at least some outside reporting. You back up your opinions with squat. I know you don't like to read anything that isn't amenable to your positions but here's some of what I use to form my opinion that the majority of these illegal aliens will be allowed to remain in this country.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/18/two-third-illegal-immigrant-children-okd-asylum/

kevjlang
Kevin Lang

See, bvresident, you seem to have a confusion issue. You think that when I write that something hasn't happened yet that it means that I believe it won't happen. Where you get that idiotic assumption, I'll never know.

Chris Gimenez

I'm going to put my thumb on the top of your head to stop you from spinning. You said what you said which is that you're having a hard time finding where your president said he wasn't going to deport these little criminals. I simply stated that for you or anyone else to believe he would come out and directly state that is maybe a bit too trusting for someone with the proven history of lying to the public that your president has.

You're going off into what I believe and you're not in a position to judge that nor is that what my comment to you was about. You said I made stuff up about what you said and I re-quoted your comments exactly. No comprehension problem on my part but perhaps you've once again gotten runny at the mouth and someone called you on it.

Just like you stating some of the 911 Muslim terrorists came from Canada which was a huge lie.

kevjlang
Kevin Lang

Again, tell me where I said that I KNOW Obama is going to deport them. I said show me where he said he WASN'T, and you think that means that I KNOW he will. I don't KNOW what will happen in the future. You do. As you've tried to tell everyone on here, you're better than all of us. Fine. I admit, I don't KNOW what WILL happen. All I KNOW is what YOUR president has SAID will happen.

Me, I'll diligently watch what actually happens. And, if future events prove you right, I'll give you the props you know you deserve. I doubt we'll hear a peep out of you should most, if not all, get deported.

I think that we should help the kids that have legitimate amnesty claims. The rest, I think we should work with their home countries to make sure they have safe means to return home. If the law says they all get hearings, then the law should be followed, even if it's inconvenient.

J. Shaffer

bvr, This is from your OWN article, even though you didn't post the full link:

"We do want the children to get expedited, and we gave [Obama] many suggestions within the confines of the law so that those children can get inside a courtroom," Gutierrez said. "They're going to be deported. The vast majority do not have an asylum case. We know that. Let's just be clear," he added.

This article along with many others clearly support what Kevin is maintaining; that they will be sent home.

Chris Gimenez

NurseJayne, I also said to Lang to use some common sense but I guess you didn't get that far. Gutierrez is a hard-core left-wing supporter of allowing ALL illegal aliens to enter and stay in this country while soaking up every single entitlement possible while awaiting the opportunity to vote dimicrat.

The $3.7 BILLION dimicrat slush fund proposed by the boy president did not and does not have any stipulation to speed up the deportation process for this current crop of dimicrats pouring across our borders. It was only after the Right started perusing the bill and demanding changes did your president and some dims start mouthing about maybe, possibly, doing something about changing the laws to allow these criminals to be sent back without access to the deportation process.

This is where common sense comes into play. Your president is a liar. He lies early and often and the Right is beginning to understand that even if he allows a law that he doesn't like to be passed, he won't abide by it. Plain and simple.

So now back up what you're suggesting with some facts.
"This article along with many others clearly support what Kevin is maintaining; that they will be sent home."

The system is overloaded, the courts are overloaded, these little dimicrats are being shoved into every nook and cranny without regard for how impossible it will be to find them later. And yet you want us to believe they'll ever be deported?

"We will not vote for a supplemental [spending bill] that undercuts existing law that protects the children," he said of proposed changes to a statute aimed at curbing sex trafficking and adopted in 2008.

"We will not vote for a supplemental [spending bill] that undercuts existing law that protects the children," he said of proposed changes to a statute aimed at curbing sex trafficking and adopted in 2008.

Gutierrez also said the dims won't support any changes to the current law regarding the OTM illegal aliens and that would allow for faster deportations. So this is the typical talk from both sides of their mouths that we get from the Left and this pathetic president when it comes to actually reforming immigration laws.

My statement still stands as factual while you and Lang haven't offered up any evidence of your president stating he will deport these criminals.

George Croix

"One of the figures that sticks in everybody’s mind is we’re paying about $250 to $1,000 per child," Senator Jeff Flake told reporters, citing figures presented at a closed-door briefing by Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson.
"A lot of people were very troubled coming out of there."
The base cost per bed was $250 per day, including other services, Senator Dianne Feinstein said, without providing details. "It goes up to $1,000 per day if you have to contract temporarily," she added. "That’s what they’re trying to avoid."
US officials predict some 30,000 more unaccompanied children will cross the border by the end of September, and that 145,000 will be apprehended next year."

Keep the number at an even 50,000 here already to make it easier to figure, and sue the lowest given figure, then do the math, and remember, it's PER DAY, per each.
Pretty darned 'compassionate' of the U.S. taxpayers....
Even Feinstein is aghast...
And also remember that unless the law is changed and made retroactive, these 'deportation' proceedings, even IF the potential deportee shows up, are expected to take three to five years.
Maybe they will be sent home, eventually.
The American Taxpayer is being screwed to death, immediately, and for the foreseeable future.
It's all very 'progressive'...

JBG JBG


"Uncle Sugga!" All he does not give away, he messes up!

George Croix

Yes.
No doubt, POTUS will reward the faithful by keeping his word to deport all these folks who do not legitimately qualify for asylum.
And, he'll get right on that as soon as the daily campaigning in perpetuity ends. That and the fundraising that's so important it trumps even a 10 minute flyover of McAllen, war in Gaza, and dead Americans raining down out of the sky over the Ukraine (this one is not surprising, though, as anyone following Benghazi can attest..).
I figure, ooohhh...about 30 more months..
Now, 'Let me be clear'...that all should take, ooohhhh, 'bout 30 months...

kevjlang
Kevin Lang

Perhaps you can explain to us idiots how Obama is at fault for someone in another country shooting a civilian airplane out of the sky.

No wonder we have so many dependent on the government. Because too many people think that our government has to be responsible for everything that happens in the world.

We cannot, nor should not, control everything that happens in the world. Our government cannot and should not even be trying to control everything that happens here.

Carlos Ponce

Not responsible for it but he should have followed President Reagan's lead when the Korean jetliner was shot down by the Soviet Union in 1983 and either postponed or cancelled his fundraising trip. With the possible loss of American life, since proven, it makes him look insensitive, uncaring. This seems to be trend when an important event happens he is on a fundraising trip.

George Croix

No, I can't explain that, not only because I didn't say it, but because it's ludicrous, whether actually stated...or assumed.
Attending fundraisers while the President should be attending to business, (like reassuring the nation as Presidents are wont to do in times of bad news or crisis, or actually going to see the border invasion, or maybe actually dispatch some help while the ones needing it are still alive, or perhaps show that dead American citizens trump live Democrat donors...stuff like that....) certainly doesn't make him 'at fault for '...someone in another country shooting a civilian airplane out of the sky', as you state, just at fault for prioritizing campaigning over work...that little job thingy that he was elected to do.
I remind you that "us idiots' was YOUR wording...not mine....
I yield to your judgement on the subject...[whistling]

Chris Gimenez

gecroix, Lang is spinning. He does exactly what he accuses you and me of although all we're doing is stating facts. In you comment there was absolutely no accusation that Hussein had any responsibility for the downing of the airliner but rather the lack of respect he showed for the victims of the attack. Lang can't handle the truth.

kevjlang
Kevin Lang

bvresident, leave the comedy to the professionals. I'd suggest you keep your day job.

gecroix, I wasn't clear on your statement, so that's why I asked a question. Your prose was a bit too clever for the amount of time I was able to devote to it.

While I'm sure that some knew the moment that word came out about the plane crash that Putin's people had it shot down, and instead of attending a fundraiser, he should have declared war on Russia. However, I can also see the benefit of making sure that you let the intelligence community gather up the facts and make sure you have a solid alliance before you take on a military power the size of Russia. Chances are, if Russia strikes us, they won't just target the liberal communities.

I think that all of our elected officials spend way too much time fundraising. I don't really care whether it's at a time of a bombing, plane crash, or anything else. The politicians should be spending time putting accomplishments on their resumes rather than money in their war chests. That said, I doubt that Obama could have accomplished much more by being in the White House than he could have on the road. I grant that it's not a good example, but on the other hand, I'd like someone to put up a list of elected officials in DC that aren't fundraising when there's work to be done. By my count, we have about 537 bad examples of fundraising rather than working. Unfortunately, we have a culture here that only thinks one of them matters.

JBG JBG

He certainly had enough time in the Rose Garden to stage a "fake" celebration with that traitor's Taliban looking Dad, posing, deceiving, and "MACING-DAT-YAK in front of national TV!" That right there was gross disrespect to every American soldier who have given their lives fighting for this country, and at least to some of us who are still here. I did not like it!!! Naw sir, I did not like it ....AH TALL!!!!!!!! [angry]
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How can they even justify condemning Snowden, and then letting Bergdahl walk? It is not right! You might say, Bergdahl is not walking. However you can say all you want, but I can see the "fix" coming. If Bergdahl spend one day in jail for what he did, I'll teach my cat to bark like a dog!!!!!
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George Croix

BV, Kevjlang doesn't bother me. The forums is FOR disparate public discourse.
He's got an opinion, and I've got one.
Fortunately, I also have the facts....[wink]
The forms would be boring if someone were not disagreeing or counting lines of text or being anonymous weasels or whatever.
I dealt with REAL hardcases and even outright troublemakers for decades.
It's the job of a leader to HELP people, to do all he can to facilitate their growth, and provide the best possible workplace conditions and environment for success with the tools and materials available, not to get rid of them.
I only gave up on one, that's 1, employee in all my career, as truly a person not worth wasting any further breath and time on. I had exactly 3 get themselves fired in all that time, because they refused to abide by the same things that everyone else had to abide by, after the moving of heaven AND earth to try to get them to reform.
That's not too bad, out of literally hundreds, if not thousands. Still, to this day I count the three who got themselves fired as failures on my part...I couldn't get inside their head. It was part of my job to do so.
The one abandoned - well, nobody can help a complete loon.
Now, I'm no longer a leader of anything, except maybe the line to the cold Diet Cokes. Old habits die hard, and I hate to see anything wasted or anybody dismissed, although did not mind making one exception to that here in the forums...so far...[beam][beam][beam][beam]

George Croix

BTW, after 24 hours and a complimentary 3 more, no bites on my offer to send anorther 5 ten buck donations in someone else's name to the Red Cross designated for border invasion relief for the kids.
I'm going to write the check for 50 anyway and send it as a kicker to the 100 buck one already on it's way.
I'd hate to have the kids, illegally here though they are, think that all Texans do is talk about 'compassion'...

George Croix

One more effort then, KJL, I'm done.
I need to get that second check to the Red Cross made out for tomorrow's mail...

Leading isn't always about 'accomplishing' anything TANGIBLE yourself. There are times when symbolism, or show of support, is all that can be personally done, and in that case, it's even MORE important that what little you can do, YOU DO.
Here's a simple example, because an old East Texas Piney Woods stomper like me is simply, well, simple...
When one of my crews had a dangerous task to perform, an exceptionally dangerous one, because even the 'routine' tasks in a refinery are dangerous by outside standards, I'd almost always, if I possibly could, stand right there beside them while they did it - operations or emergency response. If things went south, I was going south with the crew. I didn't physically help them do squat (well, sometimes...), but it made me feel better to walk my talk, and by golly if I said it was OK for THEM, the team, to be exposed to it, then it was darn sure OK for me to back it by being there, too. None of this 'you guys go do that, and I'll be up at the Coke machine'...
On occassion, one of them would actually tell me it made them feel more confident that they would not get hurt because I showed them I was willing to be part of the team, take the risks too, or get FIRST hand information about what was really going on, instead of listening to it on the radio from a safe place all the time.
You cannot get paid enough money such that it's worth more than the thanks and appreciation of your team.
The TEAM for POTUS is the citizens of the United States of America, and the Congress, the ALSO elected representatives of those citizens.
If he can't actually DO anything, as is the acse for everyone at times, he can da_n sure stand with them and show he cares more than about going to parties and badmouthing certain team members.
A little lesson that the Fundraiser in Chief could use when setting his priorities...

kevjlang
Kevin Lang

Again, I'm not disagreeing that there are things a leader can do that Obama perhaps isn't doing. What I'm disagreeing with is that a lack of leadership from the President excuses the Congress from getting stuff done.

With a company like GM, for example, the CEO does have a lot of responsibility for making sure that the workers have the right thing to work on. If he directs the company to only make Chevy Cobalts, and that model isn't selling, then no matter how good the workers are, they'll all fail. However, our government is not constructed like a corporation. The president can state an agenda, but Congress can choose to accept it or reject it. In either event, Congress has the responsibility to work on whatever agenda they choose to support. The agenda they've chosen to support for oh so many years is buck passing, partisan bickering, and relentless campaigning. Those buck they're passing? They're coming out of our pockets and vanishing into thin air. Yep, Congress sure is doing their job. They seem to know that they aren't getting led by the president, but they can't seem to figure out how to lead themselves? And we're supposed to think that we might find our next president in the House or Senate? I think we already tried that, didn't we?

Chris Gimenez

Lang, you're nothing if not ridiculous. No one on this forum has suggested we attack Russia over the aircraft downing but that's generally where you go after your comments have holes punched in them.

"While I'm sure that some knew the moment that word came out about the plane crash that Putin's people had it shot down, and instead of attending a fundraiser, he should have declared war on Russia."

I'm sure that you're now going to say I'm making up things you've posted. When someone has to completely falsify the understanding of another's comments, I know they're unable to put forth any argument of their own.

What gecroix, JB, myself, and others are saying is that your president acted embarrassingly unleader-like when he spent forty seconds on the plane disaster and then went into a joke-fllled monologue during his campaign stop. It doesn't make one bit of difference whether every other member of Congress is also on a fund-raising trip because they're aren't on the world stage every time they speak. You seem patently incapable of differentiating between the roles and responsibilities of the president and that of Congress.

As for Congress not getting anything done, it's not hard to see why. We have a president who at every turn has said any new laws will be his way or the highway and guess what genius-the president has to sign any new laws or veto them. They also have to get past the Senate which is currently being run by another despot-Harry Reid.

It's too bad you can't make a comment without misrepresenting what someone else has said but it's obvious the discussions here have gotten out of your league.

kevjlang
Kevin Lang

It's really too bad that you don't understand what "flippant" is.

Also, why do you think that "some" meant "some on this forum"? Who's reading stuff that wasn't written now?

kevjlang
Kevin Lang

Isn't Obama an incompetent fool? What else would you rather he have done? How beneficial might it have been?

George Croix

Yes.
Choose being Presidential over campaigning.
We'll never know now.

sverige1
Lars Faltskog

Well, now it deems interesting to see how Governor "Eyeglasses Make Me Look Smart" Perry's national guard border plan pans out. Use of 12 million of our Texas dollars to militarize the border, some could say, is "throwing money" at the problem. Sounds very "progressive". LOL

I really think a substantive solution to the crisis is to have western hemisphere-wide legalization of drugs so that the cartels become thwarted, drug lords lose their lucrativeness, and the children won't be in the midst of danger nearly as much as they are now.

As far as Congress is concerned, perhaps our November elections will "clean house" and yield more moderate and collaborative House and Senate members who can work with our President. We can only hope after we punch the vote cards.

kevjlang
Kevin Lang

Frankly, I don't care if they can work with the President. Let's see if they can even work with themselves. An organized and resolute legislature can trump an uncooperative president. A disorganized legislature can't even get out of its own way.

Carlos Ponce

sverige, as far as the November elections producing a Congress than can work with this president, until this president takes a lesson from Bill Clinton and chooses to work with the Congress that he has instead of belittling them, nothing will get done.
Making fun of the optically impaired, sverige? That is so grade school bully of you. Do you make fun of Bill Clinton when he wears glasses? or Hillary? Or just Republicans?

sverige1
Lars Faltskog

Response to carlosrponce posted at 2:42 pm on Tue, Jul 22, 2014:

I think our long-time 60-plus governor can handle a joke or two regarding his specs. Now, as far as "working with Congress", it's hundreds of them and only one high profile executive. Well, I suppose we can include Biden and Secy of State as other high profile executives. Point is that Congress needs to work with themselves AND the executive in chief.

Then again, with the Republicans/Tea Partiers in shambles and with their infighting - that's going to take a long time.

Carlos Ponce

"I think our long-time 60-plus governor can handle a joke or two regarding his specs." Yes he can but as I noted, nothing said about Bill nor Hillary. Can't wait to see a photo of Bill's latest lover. "Energizer" as the Secret Service have dubbed her is supposed to be very "HOT".
As for the Republicans and their Conservative TEA PARTY friends being "in shambles" you are reading far too much Liberal Propaganda. They're just engaging in meaningful team building and discussion, not like the "Lock-step" Donkey Party.

sverige1
Lars Faltskog

Well, carlos -
"Billary" can hold her own. She looked kinda "mod" in her college years. Hope Austin Powers and her had some shaggy fun at the college sit-ins. Is that good enough for a barb toward the Clintons? I'm all for including them in on the politician satirizations. Especially since all politicos are fodder for us regular folks' chiding.

As for the Republican/Tea Partiers - it doesn't behoove them to alienate the multicultural and recent immigrant voting bloc. They're doing just that with the likes of Perry calling for militarization, as opposed to humanitarian strategy. Sylvia Garcia said it best in that regard.

Carlos Ponce

"Billary" Is passe. Michelle Obama calls her "Hildebeast". You've made references to "Austin Powers" before in your posts. The 60s were NOTHING like what was portrayed in those movies. It's an exaggeration of the "Mod" movement seen momentarily in Great Britain. The Republican/TEA Partiers do not alienate anyone. That's just more Donkey Party Propaganda. Quit drinking the Kool-Aid, sverige, it's affecting your brain.

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