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December 4, 2016

Illegal immigrants are a threat

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  • Robert Buckner posted at 5:53 am on Wed, Jul 9, 2014.

    Robert Buckner Posts: 973

    Lice is a Third World country disease? Ask any elementary school nurse about it.

  • carlosrponce posted at 6:27 am on Wed, Jul 9, 2014.

    carlosrponce Posts: 6535

    The children also carry a drug resistant form of tuberculosis. Some Border Patrol Agents now have scabies.

  • lisablair posted at 7:08 am on Wed, Jul 9, 2014.

    lisablair Posts: 206

    Is there really no limit to what this paper will publish? Do you feel no responsibility to publish facts instead of racist , hateful lies?

  • Robert Buckner posted at 7:26 am on Wed, Jul 9, 2014.

    Robert Buckner Posts: 973

    I didn't catch any content here that was either racist or hateful. Some folks just like to toss out the race card if they read something they do not agree with. Where are the lies?

  • carlosrponce posted at 9:30 am on Wed, Jul 9, 2014.

    carlosrponce Posts: 6535

    lisablair, you must be reading a different forum. I find no lies, no hate, no racism, just an exchange of thoughts, ideas, and information.

  • bvresident posted at 9:50 am on Wed, Jul 9, 2014.

    bvresident Posts: 1763

    Hey lisa, here's the truth about what we have coming our way thanks to your boy president.


  • Don233 posted at 10:44 am on Wed, Jul 9, 2014.

    Don233 Posts: 1016

    Lisa, there are no racist comments here. Sometimes the trust hurts. Nothing but facts here.

  • sverige1 posted at 11:35 am on Wed, Jul 9, 2014.

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    That's OK, Lisa. All in spirit of the Christian theme, these racist haters know not what they do. They've likely lived several decades of familial conditioning to fear people who are different than they are. They are afraid of the changing world around them.

    I do think it would behoove folks now more than ever to learn Spanish so that we can further be of assistance especially to these children arriving here in Texas.

    And, a shoutout to you, Mr. Buckner....you are correct. Lice is in no way one of those "3rd world" diseases. Any school nurse I know would be appalled at this hateful letter and its many misconceptions.

  • Don233 posted at 12:04 pm on Wed, Jul 9, 2014.

    Don233 Posts: 1016

    So if people come here illegally, carrying third world country diseases sveige1, you are ready to let them move in with you? They are here illegally. Wanting to send them back is racist ? Got ya. Guess I'm a racist using your definition. Don't give a flip, send 'em back. They can get in line with everyone else that wants to come to America. No, we speak English here. I have no intention to learn Spanish. Let them learn our language like every other person who comes here legally does. In case you are unaware, you can't become an American until you speak English.

  • Acehi posted at 12:13 pm on Wed, Jul 9, 2014.

    Acehi Posts: 27

    Thank you Vergie, you always make the rest of us (Conservative, Constitutional and Law Abiding Republicans) look really good.

  • bvresident posted at 12:25 pm on Wed, Jul 9, 2014.

    bvresident Posts: 1763

    It looks like the boy president and his posse don't want any of their entitlement party members criticizing the mishandling of this administration-created border crisis.


  • Island Runner posted at 12:45 pm on Wed, Jul 9, 2014.

    Island Runner Posts: 401

    Sounds like something our ancestors may have had when they immigrated

  • carlosrponce posted at 12:46 pm on Wed, Jul 9, 2014.

    carlosrponce Posts: 6535

    Good for Democratic Congressman Henry Cuellar for putting his constituents' concerns above party politics. He better be careful lest the Obamistas call him a bigoted racist. (By the way, he is Hispanic.)

  • isleshire posted at 1:25 pm on Wed, Jul 9, 2014.

    isleshire Posts: 634

    I don't think the resolutions passed by the League City Council and the Galveston County Commissioners' Court were aimed at generous people, willing to take an orphan into a home in crisis, those who stop to give to a street beggar, those of bright spirit. I think the resolutions were pointed at a different group of people.

  • Jbgood posted at 1:29 pm on Wed, Jul 9, 2014.

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    Congressman Cuellar says they are giving bus tickets to illegals who had been retained, at the rate of 500 EVERYDAY, and releasing them to go wherever! He said that number did not include any of the onslaught of children without parents who are being retained here now!
    Then on top of that, there is "YAK" coming out of the White House warning people like Congressman Cuellar to shut-up! That is the spirit of the ANTICHRIST at its best!
    Actions insinuating there will be consequences for those who don't play ball I guess! Especially to those who know or have reason to know about lies and deceptions being piped out of the White House in abundance:
    "Don't you dare expose me!" "I'm on a mission to wreck this country!" I'm paraphrasing with this now.....I'll admit it,.... but the good Congressman said he is going to represent his constituents no matter WHAT the White House says!
    That is my kind of congressman, weather Republican or Democrat, I want somebody who will stand up for right and say, It is not about me, it has nothing to do with politics, BUT IS HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE GOOD OF THIS COUNTRY AND ABOUT MY CONSTITUENTS WHO ELECTED ME!!!!!
    He indicated that he will not be intimidated by Mr. Obama! My kind of leader!!!!!

  • MissionaryMan posted at 1:32 pm on Wed, Jul 9, 2014.

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    I can assure you first hand that the "welcome mat" isn't thrown out for American's in some other countries as we tend to extend to those coming over here.

    Several years ago we went across the border into Mexico to look for floor tile, nowhere in the big box stores that we shopped were there labels on products in English, no phone service that gave you the option to press "1" for English, only a few customers in the store who spoke English and our broken Spanish was simply laughed at by the store employees.

    Even the local police in this small town couldn't speak a lick of English until the time we accidently went down a confusing one-way street and were pulled over by the police. Imagine to our surprise only after we apologized for going the wrong way down the one way street, with a clear voice and unbroken English he told us, "No problem, 20 US dollars no problem" and soon after paying him we were all on our way.

    So why are we so giving to others when the same courtesy isn't reciprocated?[sad]

  • sverige1 posted at 3:00 pm on Wed, Jul 9, 2014.

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    Well, Don233:
    With the way you speak about your fellow humankind, I'd rather have one of the illegals move in with me than a "legal" like you who proudly takes the US of A "jingoist" attitude, and at same time to take the isolationist route. I doubt if Jesus would condone advantaged folks like you and me saying "stay out" and refusing to help and having no desire to help people in need. We Americans often are perceived as having superiority complexes and thinking "our" language and "our" culture is better than others.

    So, since you refuse to "learn Spanish", when you see someone at a store needing help do you stand by and wish they would "go back to their country"? That's so sad.

  • sverige1 posted at 3:01 pm on Wed, Jul 9, 2014.

    sverige1 Posts: 4054

    Well, Acehi -

    As they say....ignorance is bliss. If you think turning away children who are scared and hungry is a way to "look really good", than perhaps your mirror mirror on the wall needs a good cleaning. LOL

  • sverige1 posted at 3:05 pm on Wed, Jul 9, 2014.

    sverige1 Posts: 4054

    Then, ponce -
    Henry Cuellar right now is likely perceived by many Hispanics as someone who is turning his back on the world-wide Hispanic race. Here's a question: Have you ever, as a former teacher, had to welcome a child from a foreign country? I am sure you treated him/her as one of the group, paired him/her with someone who can help the new child adjust. That's the humane and Christian thing to do.

  • carlosrponce posted at 4:39 pm on Wed, Jul 9, 2014.

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    I have welcomed students from foreign countries. I let the child pick his or her own friends, someone he or she felt comfortable to help them adjust to life in their new country. Usually the more amiable students offer their help without being told. C'est la vie.
    Henry Cuellar is responding to his constituents who want stronger border security. Of course you'll get a different reaction from LULAC and MALDEF -the vocal left of the Hispanic community. Cuellar would rather respond to the needs of those in his Congressional District, not Conservative but not extreme Leftist either.

  • mytoby3113 posted at 5:55 pm on Wed, Jul 9, 2014.

    mytoby3113 Posts: 429

    well Robert Buckner if calling the President of the USA a boy, that surly is RACIST. to me. I would not call Bush a RED BNECK.. That is not tossing out a card. JUST THE FACTS and that is not the first time bvresideent has made rude comments. \The PRESIDENT was elected twice, have either of you decided to run for PRESIDENT..If you would only tell the truth instead of lying. He has not claim any WMD, left people on the BRIDGE , MISSION ACCOMPLISH. Oh don't the VP and his GUN .[sad] [sad]

  • mytoby3113 posted at 6:00 pm on Wed, Jul 9, 2014.

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    bvresident and Carlosrponce, You all have shown so much malic in your heart for these kids. Stop being so mean. [sad] [sad]

  • mytoby3113 posted at 6:08 pm on Wed, Jul 9, 2014.

    mytoby3113 Posts: 429

    Well you surly don't like the President. I am offended when you think are being sarcasty by calling him a BOY

    It just hows how mean and nasty you are.,

  • carlosrponce posted at 6:36 pm on Wed, Jul 9, 2014.

    carlosrponce Posts: 6535

    mytoby, my cardiologist found no "malic" in my heart. However, malic is usually found in apples. Malic acid is used to treat individuals with chronic fatigue syndrome (CSF) and fibromyalgia who suffer with the symptoms of low energy and joint and muscle pain. Thanks for the health tip!

  • NurseJayne posted at 7:04 pm on Wed, Jul 9, 2014.

    NurseJayne Posts: 766

    What does it matter how you were treated in Mexico, MissionaryMan?

    The world is watching how we handle this situation. Our standard should NOT be how others treat us.

    P.S. You may find a better reception if you learned better Spanish if you plan to go there. Ever heard of the Ugly American?

    Funny how some (JBG) think religion should be inserted in every other aspect of our lives, from the birth control corporations approve of to Nativity Scenes in public school.... but doesn't seem to remember Christ's teachings when it comes to those in need.

  • Don233 posted at 7:15 pm on Wed, Jul 9, 2014.

    Don233 Posts: 1016

    No sverige1, when I'm in a store and hear someone speaking Spanish, I think it's so sad that they refuse to learn English, because the only job your gonna get is mowing lawns or cleaning houses. My Italian ancestors did not allow Italian to be spoken in the home . Why? Because they knew they had to speak English to get a good job and function in society.

  • Jbgood posted at 7:16 pm on Wed, Jul 9, 2014.

    Jbgood Posts: 2471

    I believe NurseJane has a crush on me or something. I'm all she can think about! My name is constantly in her mouth! Anybody notice that besides me? Hey Nurse! I got a girlfriend already! [wink]

  • Robert Buckner posted at 7:37 pm on Wed, Jul 9, 2014.

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    mytoby, my reference was about the article in response to lisablair's comment at 7:08am this morning.

  • carlosrponce posted at 7:48 pm on Wed, Jul 9, 2014.

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    Nurse Jayne, don't judge. Both my parents were born in Mexico. Mom lived there until she married at age 18. What they hated about traveling in Mexico was the corruption of their border officials and their transit police. The locals could spot an pocketed dollar a kilometer away. Did you see how these children traveled from Central America to the American border? They rode atop and between rail cars. And what did the Mexican officials do? Nada, except accept a bribe to look the other way.
    It's funny to read when the Liberals claim to be "Holier than Thou" in this situation. Christ knows what is in our hearts, not you. Mat 7:1 ""Do not judge so that you will not be judged. "For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you."
    Now I am not judging you but repeating scripture. As for me I am ready for the Judgement Day. Peace be with you.

  • NurseJayne posted at 9:12 pm on Wed, Jul 9, 2014.

    NurseJayne Posts: 766

    Probably because you are the same kind of hypocrite I've met in brick and mortar churches; the Sunday Christian.

    The Bible is awfully convenient for you to make a point when you want to and everyone here knows it.

    But when the Bible says:
    James 2:14-17 What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

    When unaccompanied children crossing Mexico reminds me of this:

    Psalm 66:
    6 He turned the sea into dry land, they passed through the waters on foot-- come, let us rejoice in him. 7 He rules forever by his power, his eyes watch the nations-- let not the rebellious rise up against him. "Selah" 8 Praise our God, O peoples, let the sound of his praise be heard; 9 he has preserved our lives and kept our feet from slipping. 10 For you, O God, tested us; you refined us like silver. 11 You brought us into prison and laid burdens on our backs. 12 You let men ride over our heads; we went through fire and water, but you brought us to a place of abundance.

    You worry about your taxes going up and sound like a miser. Which is more important, a few grains of gold or the predominantly CHRISTIAN children we see before us?

    Rom 8:35,37-39 (Phi) Who can separate us from the love of Christ? Can trouble, pain, or persecution? Can lack of clothes and food, danger to life and limb, the threat and force of arms?... No, in all these things we win an overwhelming victory through him who has proved his love for us. I have become absolutely convinced that neither death nor life, neither messenger of Heaven nor monarch of earth, neither what happens today nor what may happen tomorrow, neither a power from on high nor a power from below, nor anything else in God's whole world has any power to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord!

    Try this one on for size, too.

    Romans 15:1 We who are strong have an obligation to bear with the failings of the weak, and not to please ourselves.

    By taking the Conservative Republican side on this issue, you show that you have two faces. And no soul.

    Just be careful:
    Heb 10:32,35-39 (NIV) ... in the face of suffering... do not throw away your confidence; it will be richly rewarded. You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised. For in just a little while, "He who is coming will come and will not delay. But my righteous one will live by faith. And if he shrinks back, I will not be pleased with him." But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who believe and are saved.

  • NurseJayne posted at 9:23 pm on Wed, Jul 9, 2014.

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    Oh, and one last thought:

    Romans 13:5-7:
    •Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor. (NIV)

  • carlosrponce posted at 9:43 pm on Wed, Jul 9, 2014.

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    Great job, Nurse Jayne! Now send that scripture to President Obama. As the head of the Executive Branch he is subject to the law just as we are. Instead of waiting for "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" he needs to be obeying and carrying out the laws already on the books. I thank you and the United States Border Patrol thanks you too! Remember, he is President, not King.

  • NurseJayne posted at 10:34 pm on Wed, Jul 9, 2014.

    NurseJayne Posts: 766

    So to you, turning away children is just and right Christian behavior if the law says to?

    Not only is that not Christian, it's not the law and you know it. Don't make me go there (again).

  • kevjlang posted at 11:56 pm on Wed, Jul 9, 2014.

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    When I'm in a store, or anywhere else, for that matter, and two people are having a conversation, I have no special right to have them speak in a language I can eavesdrop in. The two people have no responsibility to make sure that what they're saying, regardless of language spoken, can be easily understood by nosy bystanders.

  • Don233 posted at 7:09 am on Thu, Jul 10, 2014.

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    No one here ever said to no show compassion to these kids. We should treat them like our own and reunite them with their parents as ASAP. Just like family law works, the children are most often better off with their parents even when conditions aren't perfect.

  • Matt Coulson posted at 7:29 am on Thu, Jul 10, 2014.

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    I apriciate nurse Janes voice on this matter. The bible is clear that compassion and mercy should be our first acts towards those in need. We waste enough in our country to help these people a hundred times over. But 50,000 does not tell the story. The news yesterday said there are 50,000 cases per month that come up for hearing on weather to EXTEND their time here. Why won't we control the boarder? We must start there. Why are we interfering in places across world and ignoring the scourge of crime in South America and Mexico? You want to see why big government types like gun control? Look no further than Mexico. Drug thugs running wild, extorting money from good working people would stop in its tracks with a well armed citizenry. Open your eyes to the epic fight these people are up against. When the people rise up and purge their towns of the drug lords the corrupt government sweeps in, demands the guns and restores power to their drug masters. We had to fight this battle in America. At more than one time NYC was controlled by crime and corruption. Viva la revolution !

  • carlosrponce posted at 7:32 am on Thu, Jul 10, 2014.

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    Don't go there. Remember Elian Gonzalez? The United States Government sent him home to his father. And he had relatives living in the United States.
    And the children sing:
    "Homeward bound, I wish I was Homeward bound
    Home, where my thought's escaping
    Home, where my music's playing
    Home, where my love lies waiting silently for me."

  • NurseJayne posted at 7:59 am on Thu, Jul 10, 2014.

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    "They are here illegally. Wanting to send them back is racist ? Got ya. Guess I'm a racist using your definition. Don't give a flip, send 'em back."

    Your own words, Don. Doesn't sound very compassionate to me......

  • Don233 posted at 9:00 am on Thu, Jul 10, 2014.

    Don233 Posts: 1016

    Those statwments are true. This is Obama's Katrina. That the facts. Get over it. Finally, the American people have had enough of his party building. He's been busted and he knows it. The Repubicans are gonna sweep the ticket in November, then we can hog tie this radical , white hating president.

  • Jbgood posted at 9:51 am on Thu, Jul 10, 2014.

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    Naw, don't be bashful. It is more than any brick and mortar thing, and you know it and I do too. I believe this whole forum knows what you are up too. Just know that I have done nothing to lead you on. LOLOLO
    I find it laughable that the other day you asked me if I was Jewish for posting a scripture from the Old Testament and then I read below where you posted Psalms 66. It just lends to your double standards, and empty ranting statements! You want to talk about hypocrisy, you need not look any further than into a mirror.
    Some of you people who are ranting and kicking up dust about these kids, criminals, and gang members, I believe are the same ones WHO, would have stood by the bedside of their mothers in an ABORTION CLINIC, held their hands, helped and facilitate them KILLING these same kids that you are FAKING concern about on this forum now, ...if the occasion had presented itself!
    You cannot con me, ....you cannot fool me, and I refuse to allow you to play me! My position remains the same! CLOSE THE BORDER! Set up a workable IMMIGRATION POLICY, fair to everybody, and work within it! One more thing! This is a big one,....Tell "Uncle Sugga" to get his act together! If you don't like that......then I don't know what else to tell you!

  • RonShelby posted at 10:24 am on Thu, Jul 10, 2014.

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    Generally a clear intent to try and create "fear" rather than rational discussion about the problem. Even if accurate, basic childhood diseases can be treated easily. This is similar to someone saying that the new federal healthcare laws will create "Death Panels", or Nazi Germany's statements about the harm caused by those of jewish descent. Fascist statements meant to incite fear rather than meaningful discussion.

  • Island Runner posted at 10:39 am on Thu, Jul 10, 2014.

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    I did not know you were that smart Ron. Way to go!

  • Island Runner posted at 10:41 am on Thu, Jul 10, 2014.

    Island Runner Posts: 401

    If Jesus were here I am afraid he would have to get out his whip and run a few of you vipers out and welcome the immigrants.

  • sverige1 posted at 11:49 am on Thu, Jul 10, 2014.

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    Response to mytoby3113 posted at 6:08 pm on Wed, Jul 9, 2014:

    ..and uneducated, intolerant, rednecky. Unfortunately, through the years I have attended family reunions where I unluckily have uncles, cousins who speak in a similar vein. They relish in their hatred and ignorance: If they don't "slam" the black race, then they take turns downtrodding either the Hispanics or the Middle Easterners. They're truly unhappy and backward folks.

  • gecroix posted at 1:12 pm on Thu, Jul 10, 2014.

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    Nothing like meaningful discussion...[wink]

  • sverige1 posted at 1:25 pm on Thu, Jul 10, 2014.

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    Well, JBG -
    I would think it is one thing to have one individual young woman who decides to abort a non-ambulant child (and having a loved one hold her hand at the clinic). But, it's another thing for society to turn their backs on thousands of existing and walking children who need someplace to stay, someplace to have a meal, and someplace to obtain an education.

    Or, would you opt for us to chase them back across the Rio Grande? I know you wouldn't condone the construction of some incinerator facilities, a la Nazi Germany in order to alleviate the problem. Now, that would be a similar comparative element to abortion, wouldn't it? But, no one here is proposing that.

  • NurseJayne posted at 4:02 pm on Thu, Jul 10, 2014.

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    You post Old Testament because it supports what you want it say, JBG. You are the one who has completely overlooked the New Testament when discussing what to do with these children.

    So you tell me, Oh, Great Christian One, What Would Jesus Do?

  • carlosrponce posted at 5:05 pm on Thu, Jul 10, 2014.

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    Jesus tells the story of a child who went to far off land and then regretted his decision for leaving his home. The child then returned to his father who greeted him with love. The fatted calf was not thrilled to see him though.[wink]

  • sverige1 posted at 5:16 pm on Thu, Jul 10, 2014.

    sverige1 Posts: 4054

    Well, Don233 -
    I have some news for you. There are quite a few individuals here in the USA who have limited English speaking/writing abilities and still make a great living with the clientele who also speak their language. That's because, like it or not, our country is a melting pot of varied cultures and languages.

    There are many engineers speaking Spanish, Chinese, Cantonese, German - and they're right here in the Houston area. So, when you see these and the "Hispanic lawnmowing" person (who can only get that job) in the stores, think of how good it could be if you could align with them on a humanitarian level and speak some of what they speak. It's a good feeling to have knowledge of a foreign language. That's called being educated and appreciating diversity.

  • NurseJayne posted at 5:28 pm on Thu, Jul 10, 2014.

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    "who went to far off land and then regretted his decision"

    Or was sold into slavery by his brothers. Whichever.

  • isleshire posted at 5:42 pm on Thu, Jul 10, 2014.

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  • carlosrponce posted at 5:44 pm on Thu, Jul 10, 2014.

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    You asked for a New Testament scripture so I gave you the Parable of the Prodigal Son. Joseph being sold into slavery by his brothers is Old Testament.

  • Don233 posted at 6:05 pm on Thu, Jul 10, 2014.

    Don233 Posts: 1016

    Diversity is destroying our nation. When we are colored blind like MLK taught, then we can function best. As long as we keep putting people in slots, we can't function best as a society.

  • Jbgood posted at 6:14 pm on Thu, Jul 10, 2014.

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    Woman can't get enough of meeeee![smile] What do they call that? Stalking!!!!![smile]

  • gecroix posted at 8:10 pm on Thu, Jul 10, 2014.

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    How many of the illegal alien kids at the border could the 'compassionate' folks at the 10 grand a plate latest campaign bash in Austin feed?
    Or, for that matter, how many could be fed by the money spent to fly to those partys, and stop off for a little pool hall chic, too?
    Wait, I forget. The 'situation' isn't because of them, it's because the 'mean' Republicans don't want to hand over another 4 billion buck rat hole stuffer while leaving the border wide open for another wave to come in...and another...and another....
    That proves those conservatives just hate kids...!!
    You can't make this stuff up....

  • NurseJayne posted at 9:55 pm on Thu, Jul 10, 2014.

    NurseJayne Posts: 766

    How many embassies could have been protected if Congress didn't cut security for them? How many Veterans would not have to wait for care? How many hungry people go to bed with empty stomachs because Republicans don't like 'moochers'?

    Why do women have to pay out of pocket for the biggest health care expense healthy women have, birth control, while still paying for insurance? How many Jewish or Muslim children in public Texas schools will have to cringe when they pass by a Nativity Scene in December? How many women will have to travel hundreds of miles for health care because Planned Parenthood closed in their towns?

  • kevjlang posted at 10:29 pm on Thu, Jul 10, 2014.

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    I have no problem with Jews and Muslims having to cringe at Nativity and Crucifixion Scenes. Grin and bear it. I think we should also have displays commemorating Eid Al-Fitr and Eid Al-Adha. Passover and Hanukkah. Let everyone share in the Grin and Bear It opportunities.

    I also don't have a big problem with not covering birth control, however, if we aren't going to cover birth control, then let's also not cover ED pills.

  • gecroix posted at 10:43 pm on Thu, Jul 10, 2014.

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    So, Congress caused the deaths of those 4 guys at Benghazi who begged for help pre-attack, and during it, and the Sec. of Def. couldn't therefore comply because the only money available was for traveling to Bali to dance in a sarong and 'pass a baton', not for guards? And no help was sent because it wouldn't have gotten there in time, despite NOBODY having any idea how long the attack would last, until after it was over?
    So, the problem at the VA is a lack of money, and not actually some corrupt employees and officials screwing our veterans to make the stats look better? Would the 489 MILLION they spent of redecorating have helped anybody get more care?
    So, 5 1/2 years of miserable jobs regression and a lousy economy and record food stamp use and soaring entitlements is because 'Republicans' don't want to write blank checks?
    So, the biggest health care expense for women is Plan B? If it's recreational sex, note that men's insurance doesn't pay for condoms. A prescription for an actual medical condition requiring BC pills to be taken is available, according to the doctor in the family, and covered as prescription medicine.
    So, a nativity scene makes some people cringe? The same can be said about everything, everywhere. Somebody is offended. Odd that beheadings don't seem to be as cringe inducing as a Nativity Scene in parts of the world.
    So, an abortion is now 'health care'? Wonder if the dead 'choices' would agree...Actual health care is available at clinics and hospitals in more locations than Planned Parenthood, and BC pills are free at many of them, or ten bucks a month at WalMart. I stand corrected if anyone can tell us where in America it's hundreds of miles to a health care clinic or hospital, or a WalMart...
    So, is NOTHING anybody's personal responsibility...ever...especially in the ranks of those entrusted to make decisions, and, supposedly, adults?
    If so, glad I don't live where that place is...just a lot closer to it than I used to be...

    Be careful. I think our President already has Blame Republicans, and It's Not Your Fault copyrighted...

  • Matt Coulson posted at 11:02 pm on Thu, Jul 10, 2014.

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    What if planed parenthood met us 1/4 of the way? They claim abortion is a small part of their mission. Take it out of the argument, no abortion no morning after pill. Everyone, including Hobby Lobby would support them. So, full support of the nation, all kinds of money to do women's health and they get to do 90% of their service. That would be WORKING ACROSS THE AISLE. But they won't do that proving that it is ALL about abortion.

  • kevjlang posted at 9:27 am on Fri, Jul 11, 2014.

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    Does everything have to be about the past or finding someone to blame? If we were to devote even 1/10 of that energy on solving problems, we'd actually be able to look at accomplishments.

    Now, how many refinery units did you get back on line while prancing around pointing fingers? Oh, wait, you got them online because you didn't stand around wallowing in the past, but while reviewing the past, you kept lots of energy going forward. Politics could learn something from refinery operations, don't you think? Oops, I put politics and think into the same sentence :-)

  • carlosrponce posted at 9:56 am on Fri, Jul 11, 2014.

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    We're missing the BIG picture. If you heard Border Patrol Agent Hector Garza on Hannity he said the agents have apprehended OTMs (Other than Mexicans) from the Middle East -Iran, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Pakistan, Yemen, Afghanistan, etc on the TEXAS border. And those are only the ones they've captured. Think of those who have slipped in. These terrorists are waiting for an opportune time to cross and with the Border Patrol tied up with 50,000 unaccompanied children this is the opportune time.
    "A jacket with patches from countries where al Qa'ida is known to operate was found in Jim Hogg County, Texas by the Border Patrol. The patches on the jacket show an Arabic military badge with one depicting an airplane flying over a building and heading towards a tower, and another showing an image of a lion's head with wings and a parachute emanating from the animal. The bottom of one patch read 'martyr,' 'way to eternal life' or 'way to immortality.'"
    http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/PDF/Border-Report.pdf See page 28

  • Jbgood posted at 10:35 am on Fri, Jul 11, 2014.

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    Mr. Ponce! What wisdom can't make visible to Obama and his clan of supporters,
    the Taliban and Al Qaeda Terrorists will make 20/20 to them! Just hang on a while until they set up! They are probably in here now waiting on a chance or a just right opportunity, while Obama is trying to help Hillary win 2016!.
    This is not Mayberry USA anymore, TERROISTS are constantly trying to enter this country in order to do harm to us! There is little need for them to TRY anymore! They need just to follow the illegals in here like they are doing now. I mean that is simple unless they are RAVAGED with stupidity, and won't let anyone teach them or "LEARN" them -a *&^- thing.

  • gecroix posted at 11:08 am on Fri, Jul 11, 2014.

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    An amazing comment. Very 'progressive'.
    We could just ignore the willful inadequacies at best and outright deadly at worst actions and errors of our 'leaders'. That would fit perfectly with a monarchial society with it's subjects.
    What I think is you shouldn't use an example when not well versed in it.
    What you do in a refinery, when you know what you're doing, is get things
    lined out first, then go figure out what screwed up, and do what's needed to try to prevent it happening again. You interview, ask, research, investigate from top down and bottom up, and if you find someone WILLFULLY screwed things up, you discipline or fire them.
    Usually it's simple human error or equipment malfunction, not a willful bad act. It's pretty easy to tell, though, because the folks who did nothing wrong intentionally are eager to participate in the after action critiques, and make no efforts to delay them or hide information.
    What you call 'wallowing in the past' is the exact same stuff I heard more than once in the refinery from the people with something they didn't want to come to light.
    Eventually, it always did...
    Other than that, if I'd affected a smart A, smirking, sneering disdain for my people, falsely chastising them at every turn, and constantly stalled on decision making and laid blame on everybody but myself, such that we see directed by political leaders to their electors, my crews would have known immediately it I was all hat and no cattle.
    That's a standard that politicians could use to great effect...and excuse makers for them, too
    But not if we just 'move on' and ignore...
    Ignore...That's the root of ignorance.....

  • sverige1 posted at 11:28 am on Fri, Jul 11, 2014.

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    Response to gecroix posted at 10:43 pm on Thu, Jul 10, 2014:

    I believe the logic behind insurance companies via Affordable Care Act won't cover condoms for men but will have to cover BC pills for women is simply because the men don't bear the burden of going to term with an unintentional pregnancy.

    Men (without benefit of plan-covered condoms) only have to have the immediate worry of contracting some sort of disease or impregnating some one night stand female date he had....then he most likely will run for the hills. That's a big difference.

    As far as nativity scenes are concerned, unless our country can find room in a city hall grounds area to house all types of religious displays, then we have to go with making sure a rabid "majority" doesn't infringe on the rights of the minority. After all, for decades it was fine for the dominant majority (southern Whites) to obtain, utilize, and mistreat slaves. It always takes an underground and small # of advocates do raise a social awareness, then to launch the campaign to for social progression. That's how slavery ended and how women got the vote. That is also how we'll be able to attend a female-to-female or male-to-male wedding in Texas soon.

  • kevjlang posted at 11:33 am on Fri, Jul 11, 2014.

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    Are they terrorists merely because they're from the Middle East? Or is there more meat on the strawman than just patches from countries where Al Qaeda operates? If I have a patch from Canada, would that make me suspect?

  • kevjlang posted at 11:36 am on Fri, Jul 11, 2014.

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    Let's not forget that some of the 9/11 terrorists entered here from Canada. Why aren't we pushing Boehner to build a wall and station zillions of Guardsmen across that vital international border known to be used by terrorists?

  • isleshire posted at 12:07 pm on Fri, Jul 11, 2014.

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    " TERROISTS are constantly trying to enter this country in order to do harm to us! "

    Terrorists can't hurt this country. Not even terroists. The only way terrorists can hurt this country is by fear. The London Blitz didn't destroy the United Kingdom and there is nothing terrorists could do to us that would measure up to that.

    Their only success is in generating fear. And Johnny, you are spreading fear. Calm down and take a chill pill. Try to be more rational and less hysterical, it's important.

  • carlosrponce posted at 1:13 pm on Fri, Jul 11, 2014.

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    We'll calm down AFTER the borders are secured. It may be a false calm but I'll feel better.

  • kevjlang posted at 1:28 pm on Fri, Jul 11, 2014.

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    So, are you saying that when faced with an incident at the refinery you did just run around in circles for 5-1/2 years laying blame with no eye toward resolving problems or getting things back online? If so, then, pardon my attempt at an analogy.

    I'm fully aware that review of what happened, how it happened, and why it happened is necessary towards attempting to ensure it doesn't happen again. However, I'm also fully aware that reviewing and analyzing what happened doesn't have to paralyze efforts to solve problems and move forward, Except, I guess, in politics. I just don't know why we've allowed politics to be paralyzing. Doesn't seem to me to be a requirement. Perhaps bvresident is right about me being stupid. I guess I'll just be the merry idiot trying to move forward despite all these smart people standing around and pointing fingers. Somehow, I guess we'll make it into the future. Perhaps some of their own making, and others because it just so happened. Oh, well, to each his own.

  • kevjlang posted at 1:47 pm on Fri, Jul 11, 2014.

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    I assume that you mean ignoring what's ahead while overly engaged in what's behind? What about what's happening now? I tend to think that ignorance comes in many flavors.

    Am I ignorant because I refuse to ignore the here and now as well as the future rather than being overly absorbed in what's happened?

    When you were busy solving refinery problems, were you paralyzed to tend to family matters, personal matters, or any of life's other details? Our government has been virtually paralyzed for years, and it's not because they're busy reviewing past activities. Reviewing current and future campaigns is about all I'm seeing. So, just which ignorance were you referring to?

    If you're faced with all these catastrophes of the past, as well as the catastrophes of the present, what is the appropriate response? From the sound of things, it's Nov. 2014 and Nov. 2016 that are the only important issues worthy to pursue. So, then, why are we even talking about these Central American Wannabe Immigrants? Seems to me that there's too many important issues to occupy our time and we don't have time for anything else.

  • Jbgood posted at 4:38 pm on Fri, Jul 11, 2014.

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    Mr. Lang, I don't know why The Speaker Of The House, is not securing the borders of this country, probably because the American people elected Obama to do it! Me personally I would prefer that ALL the borders are secured, like they are supposed to be, and I don't have a favorite one either. My favorite border to secure is ALL of the ones we have.
    I'm not spreading anything but the truth. If terrorists hurt the people of this country, they hurt the country, is the way I think. You are allowed to think anyway you elect to, it is the American way, but I disagree with you, and I'll leave it there.

  • gecroix posted at 5:10 pm on Fri, Jul 11, 2014.

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    "So, are you saying that when faced with an incident at the refinery you did just run around in circles for 5-1/2 years laying blame with no eye toward resolving problems or getting things back online? If so, then, pardon my attempt at an analogy."
    You topped that other one.
    No. As usual, and reminding you again, I said...what I said...
    I wouldn't have started 'resolving problems' with"We won".
    I wouldn't have forgetten, or ignored, that my first two years on the job had everyhting, that's everything, going my way, and I screwed it up anyway.
    I wouldn't refuse to negotiate with anyone who didn't want to give me exactly what I wanted.
    I wouldn't have decided to push a sequester, then when it blew up in my face blame Everybody Else.
    I wouldn't have stood for the confidential materials generated by and used by my folks being collected without their knowledge.
    I wouldn't have pulled my fire crews away from an emergency scene without the area being fully secured.
    I wouldn't have cut back on critically needed unit material and personnel expenses so I could, myself, go to meetings and eat nice meals on the company dime while my crews got screwed.
    I wouldn't have treated one or some members of my crew, much less large numbers, any differently or applied rules unevenly, whether they liked me or not.
    I would NEVER, EVER, have left one of my fire crews yelling for help on the radio and instead went out for donuts and gladhanding and left them to burn!!!
    I would never have avoided making decisions, because that's what I got paid to do, and what my folks expected me to do, and you get only as good as you give...
    I DID manage quite well using basic leadership skills that escape so many people, but without which a person 'in charge' is nothign but a figurehead and an empty suit. All hat, no cattle.
    Most important, I respected the people I worked with, and asked for their opinions, and often used their advice as preferable to my own first thoughts, because they got hired to do a job by the same company that hired me, whether I personally liked some of them or not...being liked as a leader is immaterial to the job at hand unless one is immature.
    Not being an anonymous internet character, it's easy enough to ask around and check my veracity.
    I would not have hidden from conflict or eschewed negative feedback. I would never have closed my office door to my fellow employees and coworkers.
    Being fair as one can comes with a bonus...you don't have to put up with much, if any crap, and rarely get any because you don't hold yourself as more important than your people...just have a different part of the job to do...all equally important to the job.
    You asked, there it is...
    Easy enough to verify. Plenty of ex-coworkers still around. I don't use an anonymous name tag....
    You want to 'move on', go right ahead...got plenty of company.
    Where the end justifies the means, that's the best course of action.
    For anyone who gives a da__ about the lawless, incompetent mess being made of the country, such as myself...answers. Required.
    I don't think it's a good thing to just walk by an assault victim and just 'move on'. I want the SOsecondletterofthealpahabet responsible for the crime brought to justice.

  • raifm posted at 9:52 pm on Fri, Jul 11, 2014.

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    The president is half white. Raised my white grandparents

  • NurseJayne posted at 7:31 am on Sat, Jul 12, 2014.

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    I agree with you on Nativity Scenes. So does the US government. Rick Perry, on the other hand, decided that a Christian display was alright..... as long as Santa Clause was also represented!

  • Don233 posted at 11:02 am on Sat, Jul 12, 2014.

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    Nursejayne. If anyone cringes as the stroll past a Nativity scene, they can walk right on past it like it wasn't there. I have many Jewish friends and not one of them is "offended" by a nativity scene. They ARE offended by women that are allowed to murder their unborn children. That they cringe over.

  • Jbgood posted at 12:19 pm on Sat, Jul 12, 2014.

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    I would NEVER, EVER, have left one of my fire crews yelling for help on the radio and instead went out for donuts and gladhanding and left them to burn!!!
    I would never have avoided making decisions, because that's what I got paid to do, and what my folks expected me to do, and you get only as good as you give...
    Talk, you speak good!!!!!! Speak more!!!! ( That is how my mother's people would say it gecroix! ).
    I had a lieutenant years ago, who packed a dead body of one of his platoon members for miles and miles through the A Shau Valley retreating from the Viet Cong just to get the young man home to his folks, and not let the enemy get the body, then clown and mutilate it publicly! His name was First Lieutenant Baraby!
    I think he got the Silver Star for that one!!!
    I love the guy to this day! He was older than I was, and I don't know if he is still alive, but what a human being! So when you start talking about going in and getting your people out, with them BEGGING for help, you are talking MY KIND OF TALK! It should be that kind of stance for ANY leader, in any field, because when I was in the business, if anybody, supervisor or not, IF THEY MESS WITH MY PEOPLE, THEY HAD TO DEAL WITH ME!
    One of the greatest leaders who ever tied his shoes up taught me that! He had one flaw that I hated! He cursed like a DRUNK SAILOR!! He told me, "JBG..you *&*& _**^, let me tell you something!" "Always take care of your (*& ^^&% people!" "Here's why!" "Your *&^* _*&^ bosses if they consider you a liability will watch you crash and burn,...but if you treat and back your people with dignity, fairness, and respect, they will back you to the *&%( *^%* end!!! ( He was right to. )
    My bosses also tiptoed around that issue as well, because they knew me, and they all thought it was a virtue, and not a flaw. I guess our leaders in DC don't take leadership and teambuilding seminars huh?
    People say to me all the time, "JBG why you think you are so much?" "You are not all that!" I tell them, "I don't think I'm one bit more than I should." I think a man can be two things in this world, either a PARISITE or a PROTEGE! Allow me to explain the difference:
    Somebody under patronage of another: a young person who receives help, guidance, training, and support from somebody who is older and has more experience or influence, who will eventually start producing on his/her own because if the obtained knowledge, help, or training!
    Scrounger: somebody who exploits others without doing anything in return.
    A Parasite looks for what's in your hand! A Protégé looks for what is in your HEART!
    A Parasite is a CONSUMER! A Protégé is a PRODUCER!
    Lastly in my most humble opinion, I would never call a poor person a parasite! I will however call HE WHO MASQUERADES as the poor.... a parasite of the highest order,.... in the first degree, and I'd do it in a Manhattan Minute! Just my opinion, nobody is required to agree with me. It is a free country, "RAT" now! It might not be when "Uncle SU......" forget I said anything! What do I know anyway? Old Plowboy, from East Texas don't know nothing.

  • Jbgood posted at 1:05 pm on Sat, Jul 12, 2014.

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    Don233! You shot a "MEGA-TON HAMMERHEAD" hard hitting revelation in that last post brother! I don't know you......but now I know youuuuuu! [smile]

  • gecroix posted at 1:52 pm on Sat, Jul 12, 2014.

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    There was a lot of fear generated when the Twin Towers were dropped, for sure.
    But I'm guessing that the thousands who died before the ashes and dust settled would disagree that it didn't hurt the country...starting with them...and their families...

  • gecroix posted at 2:03 pm on Sat, Jul 12, 2014.

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    "If you're faced with all these catastrophes of the past, as well as the catastrophes of the present, what is the appropriate response?"
    Demonstrably, live, on national TV, the 'appropriate response' deemed such by our President to at least the latest catastrophe on his watch is to shoot pool and have a brew in Colorado, attend three fundraisers in Austin, meet for 15 whole minutes in Dallas with the Governor of Texas rather than actually go see for himself, and then tell the Governor that it's HIS problem, and he should convince 'your fellow Republicans' in 'Congress' to give me the money I'm asking for now, never minding that unless the border is secured by the National Guard, it's as big a waste of money as Solyndra was.

  • gecroix posted at 2:09 pm on Sat, Jul 12, 2014.

    gecroix Posts: 6399

    Would you agree that you can't teach people to lead and build a team/. Either the person has it in him to do so, or he doesn't. imho
    All seminars and training sessions do is help hone the inate skills needed to lead
    and build, by letting you compare your own situation with what others have done in the same or similar, sharing.
    I knwo a lot of people who went to a lot of 'leadership' seminars, and managed to just get but_ blisters from squirming in the seat...and were just as useless after going as before.[beam]
    It's like common sense...you've got it, or you don't...

  • bvresident posted at 2:30 pm on Sat, Jul 12, 2014.

    bvresident Posts: 1763

    You need to get your facts straight Lang. It's pretty easy to check this stuff out before you throw it out unless you're not interested in getting the truth.


  • carlosrponce posted at 2:53 pm on Sat, Jul 12, 2014.

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    I hope you still love them!