Players protesting Trump; who cares? Do they really think they are that important? They play with a ball for a living. At one time I was a total fan, but no more. Haven't been for years; I'm an original Houston Oiler fan.

Boycotting the White House? How silly. To ignore the national anthem is obscene, un-American and insulting to all Americans — especially to the ones who have worn the uniform. Show them respect.

You know, if doctors went on strike we would have a problem, wouldn't we? Athletes? Not so much.

Lets get real and put things in perspective. I'm 84 years old and have seen a lot of changes in this nation. Some good, others not so good. Truth is, God has been kicked out of our schools, government and put in second place. So what do we expect?

Jim Hardin

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Carlos Ponce

"seen a lot of changes in this nation" - I'm not as old as you but have also "seen a lot of changes in this nation".
When I was young my father would take us to watch the Texas City Stingarees play under the Friday night lights. He had previously taught us the importance of standing during the national anthem. My father was a veteran of World War 2 serving aboard an aircraft carrier (USS Shipley Bay CVE-85) in the Pacific. He was also a survivor of the Texas City Disaster. He had seen death as crippled aircraft landed on the carrier. Some didn't make it, plunging into the ocean. He saw flag draped coffins. He taught us the importance of standing for the pledge and anthem. Looks like fathers of today don't do that anymore.
As the Stingaree band played I saw the entire stadium audience rise to their feet placing hand over heart showing respect. Some sang along with the band. "Oh say can you see..." Looks like respect is lacking today also.
At home we saw "The Red Skelton Show". Intertwined with the comedy routines, some considered risque for the time, but one thing stood out in my youth - the man's patriotism. He took time to explain the meaning behind the "Pledge of Allegiance".
"I - - Me; an individual; a committee of one.

Pledge - - Dedicate all of my worldly goods to give without self-pity.

Allegiance - - My love and my devotion.

To the Flag - - Our standard; Old Glory ; a symbol of Freedom; wherever she waves there is respect, because your loyalty has given her a dignity that shouts, Freedom is everybody's job.

United - - That means that we have all come together.

States - - Individual communities that have united into forty-eight great states. Forty-eight individual communities with pride and dignity and purpose. All divided with imaginary boundaries, yet united to a common purpose, and that is love for country.

And to the Republic - - Republic--a state in which sovereign power is invested in representatives chosen by the people to govern. And government is the people; and it's from the people to the leaders, not from the leaders to the people.

For which it stands

One Nation - - One Nation--meaning, so blessed by God.

Indivisible - - Incapable of being divided.

With Liberty - - Which is Freedom; the right of power to live one's own life, without threats, fear, or some sort of retaliation.

And Justice - - The principle, or qualities, of dealing fairly with others.

For All - - For All--which means, boys and girls, it's as much your country as it is mine.

And now, boys and girls, let me hear you recite the Pledge of Allegiance:

I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic, for which it stands; one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Since I was a small boy, two states have been added to our country, and two words have been added to the Pledge of Allegiance: Under God. Wouldn't it be a pity if someone said that is a prayer, and that would be eliminated from schools, too?" Red Skelton
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZBTyTWOZCM
http://www.usflag.org/skeltonspledge.html

If the words and true meaning behind the Pledge and the Anthem don't mean much to you then I feel sorry for you. You haven't been taught; not by parents, by teachers, nor by experience that this is a great country!

Kelly Naschke

Cue Mark Aaron and his childishly ridiculous emoji. We are all waiting for you to “misquote “ Carlos.....take everything he said out of context....and begin with the insults....

Mark Aaron

So you agree with Carlos, Kelly? You think blind allegiance and obedience is the way to go?

Randy Chapman

Now that's funny! I don't care who ya are.

PD Hyatt

I still get chills when I see the old Red Skelton message about what the pledge means, and it is a total shame that not only have our children (athletes) not be taught respect for this nation and its flag most don't even know how to respect themselves much less their neighbors.... Of course with that being said, many don't even take the time to teach how to be responsible and accountable for their own actions.... AS for the protests, we have completely stopped watching any NFL games and now writing to their sponsors that we will no longer support their products since they support this foolishness....With that being said if the NBA starts acting like the children in the NFL we have already sent notice to the league and the Rockets that our season ticket purchases will stop if they start following with protests at their games....

Mike Trube

Good for you PD Hyatt! We are doing the same. Stats show ticket sales are down and also the tv ratings. Fans are showing on their cell phones, the nearly empty stadiums. My hope is that Presidnt Trump will pull the 3(?) billion dollars a year that goes to the NFL that has a non profit status. And the DoD needs to stop giving the NFL millions to honor the military before the games. Money wasted that could be used for a much more needed cause. I'm hoping the fans that are protesting will show the owners and coaches who really owns these teams. When push comes to shove, we hopefully will show them, without the fans, they have nothing.

Connie

Mark Aaron

Mike: "Stats show ticket sales are down and also the tv ratings. Fans are showing on their cell phones, the nearly empty stadiums. "

Wrong. From the New York Times:

_But data released Tuesday contradicts Mr. Trump’s point. Ratings for the N.F.L.’s Week 3 games — the first played since he suggested players who don’t stand for the national anthem should be fired — actually increased by 3 percent from last year, according to The Hollywood Reporter._

Mark Aaron

Carlos: "If the words and true meaning behind the Pledge and the Anthem don't mean much to you then I feel sorry for you. You haven't been taught; not by parents, by teachers, nor by experience that this is a great country!"

Since Kelly asked so nicely...

So let me get this straight, Carlos, if we don't agree with a melodramatic skit a comedian (with a 7th grade education) performed sixty some years ago then we are deficient and should be pitied? Is that about right?

This was of course a time when dogs and fire hoses were turned on Black Americans because they peacefully asked for equal rights under the law, just as Black Lives Matter groups and NFL players do today, with much derision from you and the usual suspects here for doing so. This was also a time when LGBT folks were forced into the closet and jailed or beaten if they were discovered. Mr. Skelton failed to mention any of them in his little skit, didn't he Carlos?

This was also around the time when we entered South Vietnam and propped up numerous corrupt regimes at a cost of better than 44,000 American lives before abandoning it and many of the people there who worked with us. He didn't mention that either, did he?

More recently we invaded and devastated a nation based on a raft of lives because people from an entirely different country attacked us.

The point being that America is not perfect and it isn't likely to improve unless we have the courage to stand up and demand that it do better. You are a poor citizen who should be repudiated if you think blind obedience and allegiance are the true test of love for your country.

Raymond Lewis

The writer seems to miss the point of the protest if the belive is that it is about Trump or the flag. It began about neither.

Carlos Ponce

So Raymond, why did they choose the playing of the National Anthem to "protest"? If they wanted America's attention, they got it but it's not the reaction they expected.

Robert Blake

I agree with the part about God has been kicked out and what can we expect, however; I'm a veteran and I would kneel with the players before standing with TRUMP. "The Donald" is a disgrace to America and people who voted for him did America a terrible service.

Carlos Ponce

Sorry to read you think the President is a disgrace. I think he is a Godsend.
Note the "people who voted for him" included Evangelical Christians and church going Catholics. I prayed for President Obama during his tenure. Instead of condemning Trump maybe you and Daniels should engage in praying for the president and all elected officials.

Carlos Ponce

BLM chanted “Liberalism is white supremacy" at the College of William & Mary. Amazing.
They also said the ACLU would protect Adolf Hitler's right to speak.
Note to BLM, Adolf Hitler is dead.

Mark Aaron

Carlos: "BLM chanted “Liberalism is white supremacy" at the College of William & Mary. Amazing. They also said the ACLU would protect Adolf Hitler's right to speak."

I expect you have been duped yet again Carlos. I see no one making that claim other than rightwing propaganda mills. I see no credible news sources confirming it happened.

Carlos Ponce

http://www.richmond.com/opinion/our-opinion/editorial-in-silencing-the-aclu-blm-shut-down-an-important/article_a737ccc9-45ef-5edb-98f6-f2f31f8bce44.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-KfTkiwe1k
http://www.wm.edu/news/announcements/2017/statement-from-william--mary-president-taylor-reveley.php

Mark Aaron

Carlos, I see about a dozen students, most of them White, foolishly protesting an ALCU speaker. They may claim to be with BLM on some Facebook page, but there is zero evidence that the BLM supports their misguided protest, or even knows about it. As usual, Carlos, you take any opportunity, no matter how naive or credulous, to disparage Black people.

Meanwhile, wingnuts hate the ALCU, so why would this bother you other than as an opportunity to try to defame the BLM movement, and Black people in general. It is a constant pattern with you, isn't it?

Carlos Ponce

https://www.facebook.com/builtonourbacks/
Black Lives Matter is not exclusively African-American.
https://www.facebook.com/builtonourbacks/photos/a.1661575590805267.1073741828.1654129341549892/1667348343561325/?type=3&theater
So discredit BLM at WM because of some non-Black members sounds racist.

"Black Lives Matter W&M was live.
September 27 at 4:09pm Tonight, we shut down an event at William & Mary where Claire Gastañaga, executive director of the ACLU of Virginia, was speaking. In contrast to the ACLU, we want to reaffirm our position of zero tolerance for white supremacy no matter what form it decides to masquerade in."

Mark Aaron

Carlos: "So discredit BLM at WM because of some non-Black members sounds racist."

I am discrediting you and your penchant for demagoguing anything to do with Black people, Carlos. You tried to make this sound like the BLM movement itself was attacking the ALCU, which as a card carrying GOP propagandist you are obliged to hate anyway. I simply pointed out that this tiny incident was perpetrated by a dozen well meaning students, most of them White. The only news agencies who bothered to note their tiny protest were exclusively rightwing propaganda mills who, like you, are only intent on disparaging Black people.

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