The current GOP tax plan is the party's third edition of supply side (trickle-down) economics in the past 30 years.

In 1986, the Reagan tax plan reduced taxes for the top 5 percent of taxpayers, or "job creators," and reduced the corporate tax rate from 41 percent to 35 percent. Result? For the next 10 years, workers' wages and benefits declined.

The 2002 George W. Bush tax cuts for the "job creators" resulted in a net job loss for the next seven years and the worst financial crash since the Great Depression.

In 2005, the Securities and Exchange Commission published a 10-year study of the distribution of corporate profits. They found that during the period studied, the percentage of profits dedicated to worker wages decreased by 4 percent and investor dividends increased by 4 percent. During the same period, worker productivity increased by 80 percent.

What further evidence do we need to show that in modern economic history, no iteration of trickle-down economics has resulted in improved wages or significant job creation. In fact it has made the rich richer and the poor poorer.

Some recent comments by GOP congressmen admitted that passage of this bill is necessary to secure their donor base.

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Steve Fouga

The theory makes sense, and if American companies had an entrepreneurial bone in their bodies, it might work, even though it hasn't in the past. Unfortunately, I don't think investment in the future is what most American companies have in mind. Instead, I believe they will indulge in cash accumulation. I hope I'm wrong. A good dose of American industrial aggressiveness would do the world a world of good, as it has in the past.

Unfortunately for the Republicans, they've piled so many unpopular provisions into this bill that it could spell their doom in the midterms, if people pay enough attention to it. The vote might depend on how unpopular Trump is at the time, or this bill might be enough to tip the scales by itself. Personally, I still think the midterms will depend mostly on Trump. This bill, though unpopular right now, might not catch enough peoples' attention in time to sway the election. The most egregious downsides don't occur for several years.

Emile Pope

Trickle down economics has never worked in the history of this country. In fact, it has led to depressions and recessions every time it has been tried.

Carlos Ponce

"it has led to depressions and recessions every time it has been tried" Not true. No depression/recession following JFK's nor Reagan era tax reductions. The recession following GW Bush was not due to the tax reduction but to the Housing bubble.

Emile Pope

Reagan's tax cuts not only balooned the deficit but brought about the destruction of the middle class. Just look at the wages of the middle class as opposed to the upper class after the tax cuts went into effect.

Carlos Ponce

Emile, I suggest you study the history of how the deficit increased under the Reagan administration. It was not due to the tax reductions. Reagan wanted to cut the Federal budget but increase military spending. He made a deal with Tip O'Neill but Tip and the Democrats went back on their word to cut spending. After a government shutdown a compromise was reached so the Democrats got their Congressional pay increase along with other perks and Reagan got his increase in military spending and the deficit rose.

Emile Pope

Explain how tax cuts to the wealthy help the economy. Unless you have examples of where it did then your arguments are worthless. Not examples of where it didn't hurt the economy, but examples of where it helped the economy.

Carlos Ponce

Why shouldn't the rich also receive tax cuts? You sound like a communist, Emile. What does a millionaire do with extra revenue?
They re-invest creating more jobs, businesses.
They spend. Let's say they buy a yacht. Good for those who manufacture yachts, the owners and the craftsmen. Good for those who who operate and work at marinas. Good for peripheral businesses (restaurants, suppliers, etc) next to marinas. Good for those who actually operate and maintain the yachts. Good for the economy. Even those who are not poor benefit if they fit into any category above. As President Kennedy state, "A rising tide lifts all boats."
Increased tax revenues.
"In conclusion, as JFK, Reagan, and George W. Bush understood, reducing taxes has a stimulative effect on economic activity which leads to an increase in government reciepts. You can't argue with history!" Although, Emile will argue anything!
Also, many corporations take their profits off shore so they won't have to pay the high American Corporate tax rate. A reduced rate will make it lucrative to keep American dollars home.
"Do Tax Cuts Increase Government Revenue?"
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikepatton/2012/10/15/do-tax-cuts-increase-government-revenue/#32b904394bf2
"Three times revenue increased after tax cuts"
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/three-times-revenue-increased-after-tax-cuts/article/2557140
"Tax Cuts Increase Federal Revenues"
http://www.heritage.org/taxes/report/tax-cuts-increase-federal-revenues

Emile Pope

Garbage. If revenue rose after the tax cuts then the deficit would not have soared. Furthermore, the rich guy that you said would buy a yacht probably has one already. He wasn't waiting for the tax cut to be able to afford a boat. He will take his tax cut and send it offshore because he already has bought everything that he wants earlier. Are you going to put forth the ridiculous argument that repealing the estate tax will allow people to buy boats??? And oh by the way, a RISING tide lifts all boats. The rising comes from the BOTTOM not the top. Helping the poor and middle class helps the wealthy not the other way around! Even your sayings betray you...

Carlos Ponce

"If revenue rose after the tax cuts then the deficit would not have soared."
Emile, you really need a lesson in history and economics. The problem is with spending not tax revenue.

Emile Pope

Unless you have evidence that the Democrats tripled spending then your talk about tripling the revenues after tax cuts is hogwash...

Carlos Ponce

Revenues increased. No one ever posted they TRIPLED, Emile.

Carlos Ponce

"The 2002 George W. Bush tax cuts for the 'job creators' resulted in a net job loss for the next seven years and the worst financial crash since the Great Depression."
The recession was due to the problems in the housing market, not the tax cuts. GW Bush addressed this in his State of the Union message. Barney Frank held committee meetings and concluded there were no problems with Freddie Mac nor Fannie Mae so no actions to remedy the situation were taken. Barney was wrong.Tax cuts actually helped lessen the effects of the so called "crash". It was bad but could have been worse. Question: If the GW Bush tax cuts were so bad why did President Barack Obama extend them???????????????
From the Washington Post January 2, 2013
"While much of the perks from the Bush tax cuts flowed to the top, they also helped middle-class earners, who kept more of their earnings because of reduced tax rates. This was especially important in the last decade, since median wages stagnated, and it may be one reason why Democrats so readily pushed to extend most of the Bush tax cuts."
A look at the unemployment numbers show a significant increase AFTER the Housing problem in 2008.
http://portalseven.com/employment/unemployment_rate.jsp

Emile Pope

Wrong...

Carlos Ponce

And your rationale, Emile? Do you disagree with The Washington Post's assessment, data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics or are you just want to disagree with anything I post?

Emile Pope

Your statements are not supported. Where is your link to the WaPo? And your Labor Statistics comment means nothing since it happened after the tax cuts...

Emile Pope

The reason that your reasoning is flawed is that the trickle down theory states that the wealthy and corporations would take the extra money and invest it in workers and increase wages. That never happened. They instead took the money and invested it in themselves and their salaries. Even your own post states that none of the extra money came from the corporation. It was just the slightly greater amount they had in their pockets. So why was the tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations needed since it didn't help the American worker in any way? More Republican hogwash...

Carlos Ponce

"And your Labor Statistics comment means nothing since it happened after the tax cuts..." The BLS data covers 2000-2010. The tax reductions occurred in 2001. No significant change in the unemployment numbers. It was not until after the Housing problems in 2008 do you see a major change.
And I thought you were smart enough to get the WAPO sight. Copy the sentence into a web browser and it will appear.

Jarvis Buckley

I think it's the latter Carlos✌️

Diane Turski

As informed voters, I believe it is OUR responsibility to make sure that other potential voters know exactly what damage this tax scam bill will do to the middle class when it takes effect, and exactly who is responsible for writing and passing it - especially since the Republicans passed it without even reading it or discussing it with experts! This is clearly a must pass for the wealthy GOP donor class, and will benefit only them! Republicans proved that they don't even have to read or understand it to pass it in order to satisfy their real bosses (hint: their real bosses are NOT their constituents)!
Stay tuned for Part 2 since the Republicans have already stated that they plan to make cuts to Social Security and Medicare to "pay" for the trillion dollars this tax scam bill adds to the deficit! This completes their plan to redistribute wealth from the middle class to the ruling class. Soon it will be time to reopen Walter Hall Park in League City as the Poor Farm that it used to be for the elderly and other poor people in the area who will have no Social Security safety net and nowhere else to go.

Emile Pope

Now the House Republicans are going back on the promises that were made to the Republican senators to get their vote. They lied. Hard to believe huh?

Carlos Ponce

Emile, the bill has gone to joint committee. The final product must be approved by both houses. Remember, the House Bill came first.

Doyle Beard

Really what a piece of nothing

Carlos Ponce

Diane, when the tax restructure is in effect will you please keep us informed of how you are REALLY affected?

Doyle Beard

indulging in cash accumulation seems to be the trend not only for business but all of America. Some work to make ends meet but look around and the love for money is everywhere so don't just put it on business. Where would we all be if there were a few business, this is not to say they need to be greedy. If businesses don't make a profit and pay investors dividends do you think they would survive. It's a rat race in the real world. I know people who are anti busness saying they only look at the bottom line. One thing for sure the bottom line better be looked at or jobs would be really f scarce.

Doyle Beard

Imagine passing something before reading it. Now where did they learn that.keep your doctor, policy and your premiums wiil cost less.Hypocritical isn't it.

Gary Miller

$15 a week is what the average middle income family can expect from this tax cut.
$720 a year. Over 50 million families spending another $720 a year, or $36 billion, is bound to speed up economic growth which will provide jobs for millions of the unemployed. Unemployment to working reduces need for welfare. Budget cuts for entitlement programs with fewer clients should reduce Federal Deficits.
Most of the people against this tax reform expect to lose loopholes they never should have had. I'll laugh at your whining as I go to the bank with more of my earnings than before.

Emile Pope

$720 a year????? Less than two dollars a day??? What are you going to do with your riches? Rolex? Porsche? Summer home? How about a kitchen remodel. Sad that you think that less than the cost of a hamburger a day is a windfall worth celebrating while the 1% get millions and in some case billions in tax breaks. And their loopholes they use remain while the taxes for us go up in two years. Oh well...

Doyle Beard

Billions explain your self as to how you arrived at this figure.

Emile Pope

Elimination of the estate tax. Lowering of the top tax rate. Deductions for private schools.

Carlos Ponce

"$720 a year????? Less than two dollars a day???" That's for the AVERAGE family. But Emile always acts like he's ABOVE AVERAGE.[beam]

Gary Miller

It is not two dollars a day. X 50 million it is $100 million a day to the economy or jobs for 100,000 a day. Cash accumulation is investment unless it's hidden from earning under a mattres. Money earns by being invested in job production.

Gary Miller

The $15 a week is for each job and doesn't include the savings from doubled personal deductions or the increased child credit. It only represents the cut in their tax rate.

Emile Pope

Wrong. Those are the savings that the Republicans admit will come from the all of the tax savlings. See Paul Ryan. But they don't mention that people will lose many of the middle class deductions that people need. The also don't mention that the tax cuts for the middle class are temporary while the tax cuts for the rich are permaneant. Also that in a few years the taxes will rise for the middle class...

Doyle Beard

Emile once again proves he dos not know the issues the deductions will go away but the exemptions will increase.

Jim Forsythe

We've lived with a several version of "trickle down" economics and look where we are. The theory goes that if the top earners are able to keep most of their money from being taxed, they will then put that into the economy themselves, through creating jobs, spending, so forth. The problem is two fold: First, it relies on the rich to actually live up to their end of the bargain by putting money into the system. Second, it ignores the fact that the real engine of a modern society is the middle and working class. Rich people can put their money into anything, including another country. Middle class and working class people tend to spend their money in their own country, whether it be property, vacations, etc. As Trump has proven through his own business dealings, the rich will do what they can to keep as much money for themselves. They rarely comply with the other side of Trick down economics- which is to help those that need it.

Carlos Ponce

"We've lived with a several version of "trickle down" economics and look where we are."
Have we? Supply side economics has never been fully implemented in this or the last century.

Jim Forsythe

How long does it take for trickle-down economics to work?
Kansas and North Carolina can tell you how long it takes it to fail!

Kansas is in real trouble.
The states are supposed to be laboratories for testing government policy. For five years, Kansas’s Republican governor, Sam Brownback, conducted the nation’s most radical exercise in trickle-down economics — a “real-live experiment,” he called it. He and the GOP-controlled legislature slashed the state’s already-low tax rates,  eliminated state income tax for most owner-operated businesses and sharply reduced vital government services. These measures were supposed to deliver “a shot of adrenaline into the heart of the Kansas economy,” Brownback said.
It ended up being a shot of poison. Growth rates lagged behind those in neighboring states and the nation as a whole. Deficits mounted to unsustainable levels. Services withered. Brownback had set in motion a vicious cycle, not a virtuous one.
Last week, finally, the legislature — still controlled by Republicans — overrode Brownback’s veto of legislation restoring taxation to sane levels. The nightmare experiment is coming to an end.

North Carolina failed attempt at  trickle-down economics .
Since 2013, state lawmakers have passed significant income tax cuts that largely benefit the state’s highest income earners and profitable corporations. These costly tax cuts have made the state’s tax system more upside-down by delivering the greatest income tax cuts to the state’s highest income taxpayers, while maintaining a heavier tax load on low- and middle-income taxpayers. 
New analysis by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP) finds that, since 2013, North Carolina would have $2.8 billion more in annual revenue if state lawmakers had not changed the tax system that was in place in 2013.1 This figure is a conservative estimate because it does not include the tax changes proposed by the Senate in its recent budget, which would bring the total revenue loss to $3.2 billion. 

Carlos Ponce

"How long does it take for trickle-down economics to work?"
"Trickle down" has never been implemented. Neither has the Reagan proposed "Supply side" economics.
If implemented the effects would be immediate.
" As Trump has proven through his own business dealings, the will do what they can to keep as much money for themselves." REALLY??????
Do Liberals really view the rich as "Scrooge McDucks", hoarding their wealth in a money bin where he can go swimming through coins an money bills? That's not reality. That's a comic book and cartoon.
So his hotels built themselves? People weren't hired to build them? People aren't hired to manage, maintain and cater to those who register in those hotels?
Same with his golf courses. Do you think they built themselves, no workers? Are they managed, maintained by themselves?
Donald Trump invests his money and that means JOBS during construction and operation. Does that mean he (shudder, shake in horror, disgust) MAKES MONEY? .[scared][scared][scared][scared][scared][scared][scared][scared]
OF COURSE IT DOES!!!!!!!
Your view of the rich is very COMMUNIST. CLASS WARFARE.

Emile Pope

Apparently the answer is that trickle down economics have never worked. Ever.

Carlos Ponce

Mr. Huffington rode into town on an animal. This animal had horns, an udder and went "Moo". Coming down the street was Mr. Slate.
Slate: What are you riding, Mr. Huffington?
Huffington: This heres my horse.
Slate: I don't think that's a horse.
Huffington: Well I'm calling it my horse.
Slate: I've got one of those at home too! It quit giving milk but if I call it "horse" it will do just fine to ride through town.
Soon the entire town of LIBERAL were riding "horses" with horns, udders and went "Moo".
One day in Galveston County, Jim rode into town on an animal. This animal had horns, an udder and went "Moo".........

You can call what North Carolina has "Trickle down" or whatever you want to call it. Is it Supply Side economics? No. Those of us who don't live in the town of LIBERAL know better. [beam]

Carlos Ponce

Emile posts: "Apparently the answer is that trickle down economics have never worked. Ever." TRUE
because neither "trickle down" nor Supply Side economics has ever been fully implemented. Can't work if it's never been used.

Jim Forsythe

Are you calling me a COMMUNIST. 

"Trickle down" has never been implemented". What part did Kansas not implement?

Profits are part of business. But to act like the "Trickle down" will solve all problems ,and not create more problems, is not rooted in realty
If implemented the effects would be immediate. Just ask Kansas! They may never recover from the experiment into "Trickle down" 
When the new tax plan starts, wages will go up? Jobs will be created ?
If this was the case , the new trained worker will come from ?
Or will the profits go to stock holder , and increase the amount the companies keep? 
The price of goods will go down, because of the lower taxes? The National Debt will go down?
The government needs to be honest, and go to a flat tax on business , and do away with all deductions. If what you are saying is true, the tax rate needs to be zero. Which with the new tax plan, it will be true for some.

Which day did I ride a cow? What city was it?
You may not be able to tell a horse from a cow, but I can. 
How many cows have you butchered or do you eat horse?
 

Gary Miller

? Also that in a few years the taxes will rise for the middle class..?
The Senate 'sunset rule" doesn't mean taxes will go up. It offers a time to cut taxes again.

Carlos Ponce

Jim posts, "Are you calling me a COMMUNIST. "
I posted, "Your views are very COMMUNIST. Class Warfare."
Did I call you a communist? No I posted your views are very COMMUNIST. Not the same thing.
The Kansas example is NOT an example of "trickle down" nor "Supply Side" if that's what you're after. Please read the specifics about the Kansas economy. All you are doing is regurgitating Leftist talking points, Jim. You are smarter than that.

Jim Forsythe

You say my views are very COMMUNIST. So you are calling me very COMMUNIST!
One's views makes up what they are.

What views do I have, that makes you say that? Is it because I do not agree that trickle down will work?
Or that the new tax rate is all about making the rich richer.
The pass thru part of the new tax plan is not about the Middle class. it is estimated that the new tax plan could be worth up to 1 Billion dollars for the Trump family. 
Or that Kansas tried trickle down, and did not work?
I worked for companies that made Billions in profit , which was good.
SO , what did I say that was very COMMUNIST IN CONTENT??/

Carlos Ponce

"the rich will do what they can to keep as much money for themselves"
Class warfare is a tenet of the COMMUNIST belief system.
Do you believe in "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"

Emile Pope

"The Senate 'sunset rule" doesn't mean taxes will go up"???? That's exactly what it means. It means that if nothing is done then the taxes will automatically go up.

Carlos Ponce

Like you post "if nothing gets done". After 10 years they analyze and evaluate if the bill worked as predicted. If not change it. If it did, keep it going. That's how Barack Obama continued GW Bush's tax cuts even after "sunset".

Jim Forsythe

Which day did I ride a cow? What city was it?
You may not be able to tell a horse from a cow, but I can. 
How many cows have you butchered or do you eat horse?
And you still insists that I'm a COMMUNIST!

"the rich will do what they can to keep as much money for themselves"
Do they give it all away? No , they keep as much as they can.
Do you give away all your money, or keep as much as you can? Part of the reason for a budget, so as to keep as much as you can after
you take care of your needs..
1 percent of the world’s population currently controls over 50 percent of the world’s total wealth.

Carlos Ponce

Jim, it's a metaphor.

Jim Forsythe

Are you saying, you did not see me riding a cow?
Or, are you saying I'm not a COMMUNIST.

Is this what you were doing? Using a Metaphor as a figure of speech which makes an implicit, implied or hidden comparison between two things, or was it something else? 
Was it implicit, implied or hidden? 
Instead of using a metaphor, just say what you mean!

Jim Forsythe

"These are deficit-financed tax cuts that do little to reform the tax code...The code remains complex," If they wanted to Simplify the tax code , they did not. Even if the tax cut leads to a need for more workers, we have a problem. "We are basically out of qualified workers, or very close to it. That will limit economic growth, "
With not incentives in the new tax changes to increase wages, why will they?  I see not push to increases the minimum wage the same percent as the tax cut! 

If we take away the 19% tax decrease from the average effective federal tax rate of 12.6% (2010) that Large, profitable U.S. corporations pay, how much will  their tax be bill ?
"Large, profitable U.S. corporations paid an average effective federal tax rate of 12.6% in 2010, the Government Accountability Office said Monday. The federal corporate tax rate stands at 35%, and jumps to 39.2% when state rates are taken into account."

"If Republicans are wrong and the joint committee  the tax bill will add to an already worsening fiscal forecast in the United States. The federal government is already running an annual deficit of nearly $700 billion. The amount of federal debt has surpassed $20 trillion, and it is projected to grow by another $10 trillion over the next decade as government safety net spending rises because of retiring baby boomers and increasing health care costs."
Instead, they found comfort in ballpark estimates offered by some conservative economists, that the tax bill could increase the size of the economy by as much as 4 percent over a decade, or 0.4 percent a year. Mr. Smetters, of Penn Penn Wharton Budget Model, which is run by a former Bush administration economist, Kent A. Smetters) , said that number is actually much higher — that the economy would need to grow by at least an additional 0.57 percent a year for tax cuts to pay for themselves.
Not even the most optimistic analysis of the Senate bill projected it would unleash anywhere close to that rate of additional growth.

"Yet there was no data to support those claims, despite promises by the Trump administration that such an analysis would be forthcoming. The Treasury, whose secretary, Steven Mnuchin, has said repeatedly that his department was working on an analysis to show how the tax cuts would not add to the deficit, has not produced any studies that back up those claims. Last week, the Treasury’s inspector general said it was opening an inquiry into the department’s analysis of the tax plan."

Jim Forsythe

It should have read 
If we take away the 16% tax decrease from the average effective federal tax rate of 12.6% (2010) that Large, profitable U.S. corporations pay, how much will  their tax be bill ?

Gary Miller

Jim. The 15 % tax cut for small businesses should increase employment and wages.

Jim Forsythe

Gary, they will not be paying 15%, because now their average effective federal tax rate is 12.6% . They do not pay 36% , but a rate of 12.6%. Subtract the amount of the new tax rate of 20%, and what do you have left?
Instead  just say , no taxes for companies.

Jim Forsythe

Gary, they will not be paying 15%, because now their average effective federal tax rate is 12.6% . They do not pay 36% , but a rate of 12.6%. Subtract the amount of the new tax rate of 20% and what do you have left?
Instead  just say , no taxes for companies.

Gary Miller

Nancy Pelosi is a good example of what this tax reform will do to the rich and powerful.
She will lose her loophole letting her deduct California's personal income tax from her federal income taxes. She'll have to pay over $1 million the loophole was worth to her. No wonder Nancy doesn't like the reform. Wonder why she got the loophole passed when Democrats ruled Congress? Rich and powerful Democrats passed loopholes for themselves.

Jim Forsythe

Gary, going a little far back? The ability to deduct nearly all state and local taxes was part of the federal income tax code when it was created in 1913. if  had Nancy had this loophole passed, it would make her how old? 

Taxpayers who itemize their taxes can deduct state and local property and real estate taxes, and either state and local income or sales taxes. The ability to deduct nearly all state and local taxes was part of the federal income tax code when it was created in 1913. Some restrictions were put in place over the years, such as allowing either income or sales tax deductions, but not both. See the IRS guidelines on the deductions for more information.


Gary Miller

1913 was before states had personal income taxes. We all still deduct state property taxes.

Emile Pope

Exactly where do you get this figure that Pelosi will have to pay 1 million dollars more on her taxes? We'll never know about Trump because he won't release his taxes. Time to admit when you have been had...

Bill Broussard

To jump in whatever the consequences to the eight year stop on middle and lowe rincome the timing of it places it after the presidents second term I find that interesting

And
Listening to Carlos with some interest I would say talking about trickle down or supply side consequences is meaningless because it’s never been tested. What Carlos fails to mention is that this tax bill won’t test it either if purity is the desired state. I hate anything that approaches a cut in Medicare or social security which previous administrations have already done by raising the taxable rate well above what I would pay on capital gains had I invested the large sums I paid into those systems for fifty years and still do because I still work! Don’t talk to me about cutting entitlements. I will never live long enough to get entitlement payouts equal to what I’ve invested. Any politician that has a trip wire for tax deductions equal to the presidential term of office or scams entitlements is pure s...as far as I’m concerned and it will take awhile for normal folks to figure that out but they will

Btw: lest I be called a communist the ceo of att has already talked about how his company will invest to creat 7000 new jobs. If a few other gutless leaders would do the same I’m all for it. I am also for corporate money stranded overseas getting a good break to come home

I think the cut for the top 1 percent and the killing of the estate tax is pure dog chow for Ivanka and kushner and not much else

Carlos Ponce

"What Carlos fails to mention is that this tax bill won’t test it either if purity is the desired state." Correct. One step at a time. The proposed tax plan is no where near Supply Side Economics.

Willis Briggs

Sounds like Emile admitted he has been had. [whistling]

Bill Broussard

Carlos. I’ve seen nothing BUT first steps since Mr Reagan. At least that president gave us a lasting resolve with the end of the Cold War even though the supply side was a “first step” and alimo if you ask me
There is no doubt taxes for capital gains will do well when the market starts is sella day the pump down in the news of Flynn’s charges speaks to just how fragile the gain is
I guess we’ll have to wait and see but all it will take is a couple more indictments and I predict a tumble. When the “presidential bubble” breaks I think it safe to say we’ll see increased deficit predictions.

Look, personalities aside I can hardly be proud of my party anymore with middle class trapdoors in a few years, walking away from children and elderly and trying all of this gamesmanship inside of a world that is twice as turbulent than it was four years ago when we’re busy getting reprimands from our historic allies while we’re on the brink of a very costly war I think I’ve just about had enough of cute for awhile. You may be in love with Flynn and Bannon but i think both of them have little honor or regard for us as people but enjoy catastrophic slight of hand. The world is as emotionally as stirred up as the electorate was in November only a lot more dangerous

Carlos Ponce

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