I’m glad many Galveston County people who’ve written letters to the paper are in favor of accepting children from Central America and are in favor of providing good accommodations for them. I’m one of those people.

However, we need to show some understanding for the people who don’t want the children to come here. They genuinely live in fear every day. They really believe America is a failing nation that doesn’t have enough to share.

From the 1930s until the beginning of the 1980s, we (even though many thought we couldn’t afford to) defeated the Great Depression, won World War II, rebuilt our allies, rebuilt our enemies, went to the moon, expanded our own people’s freedoms and financial security, brought new people into our nation, etc., and grew richer every day.

But, during those years we knew we hadn’t done it all ourselves. We “Praised God from whom all blessings flow ...” and we elected leaders who practiced faith and built the greatness that still is America. Pray with me for the comfort of those Americans who live in fear, while we share with and pray for the well being of Central Americas and their children.

Robert Hutchins lives in Dickinson.

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Chris Gimenez

"I’m glad many Galveston County people who’ve written letters to the paper are in favor of accepting children from Central America and are in favor of providing good accommodations for them. I’m one of those people."

Transalation: I'm foolish enough to believe what the Liar-in-Chief and the Entitlement Party are telling the nation even though I myself am not contributing anything to the situation I support other than empty words.

The Liar-in-Chief said he would "fundamentally transform this country" and he is. I find it more than a little bizarre that the writer harkins back decades to a time that immigrants came to this country legally, yearned to assimilate by learning about the history and traditions of this country, learned English and accepted that it was the language of this country, and brought work ethics and skills that contributed to the development of this nation into-the very nation that his president says he wants to fundamentally transform. How's that for a confusing column?

So Mr. Hutchins believes-and wants the readers to believe-that this massive brown horde coming from Central American and God knows where else-is nothing more than a bunch of children under ten years of age who simply escaping the oppressive conditions in their own country. It's a lie and completely ignores the reality of what is happening on our borders and being condoned, supported, and facilitated by Hussein Obama and his Entitlement Party.

These people are now and will continue to place a tremendous strain on our fiscal resources. The vast majority, estimated to be about 95%, will never report for their deportation hearings. A large number are teenagers and gang members who are actively recruiting other illegal aliens into their criminal organizations.

And as usual, Mr. Hutchins isn't doing anything more than talking about how much he supports these criminals. He isn't contributing money, time, or lodging to "walk-the-walk". He's just like the rest of his party-talking about how important it is for everyone else to throw their money in the hat to support the "fundamental transformation of this country."

Lisa Blair

You just proved his point.

Chris Gimenez

Well sweetie, why don't you and Robert tell everyone just exactly what you're doing to help the situation? I'm betting you can do that in five words or less also.

Paula Flinn

You are absolutely correct about ESL classes. You do not need to know Spanish, although in the SW it helps. I worked with an ESL teacher in NM that knew no Spanish, but did know Chinese. She was very successful. An ESL teacher teaches English to all, regardless of their ethnicity or race. Children want to learn English because they want to "fit in."

I am conflicted about the women and children coming here from Central America and being allowed to stay. On the one hand, I want to be compassionate, as they are very scared and worried. On the other hand, they are illegal immigrants, and many others are waiting as long as 2 or 3 years, to legally come to this country. I realize that this is a crisis situation, so as I say, I am conflicted.

On the brighter side, if we let them stay, we will have great soccer teams coming up in our schools! Seriously, though, I think we all want what is best. I would hate to be in that position to make the decision.

While I think that it will take the wisdom of King Solomon to decide what to do, I read somewhere that the amount of money that we spend on 1 or 2 warships would more than take care of it.

Remember, it was a Republican President, General Dwight David Eisenhower, who warned us about building up a huge military complex. Can we give up 1 or 2 more warships to help these children?

Don't call me a "bleeding heart liberal." I consider it a compliment! (Ha!)

Carlos Ponce

I just heard on the news that Spanish is NOT the primary language of many of the illegal immigrant children. many speak a Central American Indian dialect with some Spanish tossed in. Are any schools equipped to handle this situation? Guatemala alone has 26 active languages. Spanish is the OFFICIAL language of the Central American Countries but they also use Achi', Rabinal Akateko Awakateko Belize Kriol English Boruca Bribri Cabécar Cacaopera Ch'orti' chi', Cubulco Chicomuceltec Chuj, Ixtatán Chuj, San Sebastián Coatán Costa Rican Sign Language English Garifuna Guatemalan Sign Language Honduras Sign Language Itza' Ixil, Chajul Ixil, Nebaj Ixil, San Juan Cotzal Jakalteko, Eastern Jakalteko, Western K'iche', Central K'iche', Cunén K'iche', Eastern K'iche', Joyabaj K'iche', San Andrés K'iche', West Central Kaqchikel, Akatenango Southwestern Kaqchikel, Central Kaqchikel, Eastern Kaqchikel, Northern Kaqchikel, Santa María de Jesús Kaqchikel, Santo Domingo Xenacoj Kaqchikel, South Central Kaqchikel, Southern Kaqchikel, Western Kaqchikel, Yepocapa Southwestern Kaqchikel-K'iche' Mixed Language Kekchí Lenca Limón Creole English Maléku Jaíka Mam, Central Mam, Northern Mam, Southern Mam, Tajumulco Mam, Todos Santos Cuchumatán Matagalpa Maya, Mopán Maya, Yucatán Mískito Monimbo Ngäbere Nicaragua Creole English Nicaraguan Sign Language Pech Pipil Plautdietsch Poqomam, Central Poqomam, Eastern Poqomam, Southern Poqomchi', Eastern Poqomchi', Western Q'anjob'al, Eastern Q'eqchi' Rama Sakapulteko Salvadoran Sign Language Sipakapense Spanish Subtiaba Sumo Tawahka Sumo-Mayangna Tacanec Tektiteko Teribe Tol Tz'utujil, Eastern Tz'utujil, and Western Uspanteko Xinca.

Lisa Blair

Well cowboy, you'd be betting wrong!

Chris Gimenez

But you can't answer can you? Same question I posed to you in another thread and you went into hiding. All of you on the extremist Left are cut from the same cloth. Talk a lot, do little, waste other's hard-earned tax dollars on programs to make more dimocrats, and continue the relentless assault being led by your president to destroy this country.

Lisa Blair

I'm hardly hiding. I engage on social media everyday, just not here because I don't enjoy the company. When people don't enjoy your company they don't come to your house. They go somewhere else.

Chris Gimenez

I didn't extend an invitation to my home. I simply asked you to follow up factually to your ridiculous statements and you continually find yourself unable to do so. That's what I find with most of your kind.

sverige1
Lars Faltskog

BVresident:
I've been asking you for several months why you, with a Spanish surname, still thinks the Republican party is your "friend" when their dismal track record on minorities is prevalent....75 percent Hispanics voted for Obama the 2nd time around . You haven't supplied an answer to that as of yet.

Carlos:
You come up with a good point regarding schools' capabilities to serve these Central American children. From what I have heard, it's a misnomer that the ELL (English Language Learner) or ESL classes they were in needs a Spanish-speaking instructor. On the contrary. The Houston area, for example, is not only heavily Hispanic populated with Spanish-speaking backgrounds. Rather, there exist numerous countries throughout the world, including Vietnamese, several dialects of Chinese, Laotian, Russian, Japanese, Indian, Pakistanian, Burman, et cetera.

In short, the need that will be fulfilled is simply to have ESL/ELL teachers who will instruct them in ENGLISH. That should please the "English only" folks anyway since, as we know, the Bilingual/Spanish programs have been fodder for the extreme rightists for decades in regard to questioning the appropriateness of teaching native language to students here in English-speaking US of A.

Then again, many of these extremists who bash the Bilingual Spanish programs are not cognizant that schools in Houston district, for example, have programs to teach dual languages of, let's say - English/Chinese. Seems as though if the other language ISN'T Spanish, then somehow the prestige is higher. Many of the upper class west Houston elementary schools have such dual bilingual programs.

Carlos Ponce

The assumption of many is that the children coming from Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador come speaking Spanish. The emphasis in non-Spanish speaking families is that their native language is for home use only but that English is for school use. The exception is where they have their own schools. The State of Texas currently provides Spanish STAAR tests in grade 3 and 5 only. The rest are in English. Asian students do extremely well in American schools because of a strong family. The children we speak of have none. Again I ask "Are any schools equipped to handle this situation?"

Chris Gimenez

Can you imagine people from the U.S. who illegally enter another country being able to get away with this? But this is the result of our feckless president's bizarre attempts to "fundamentally change this nation".

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/28/illegals-demand-representation-white-house/

George Croix

"They genuinely live in fear every day."
Moi? [beam][beam]
Odd, I don't feel afraid.
Is this one of those transfer of feelings thingies like the time about 20 years ago when I was at a softball tournament in Waco with my daughters team, and their colors were pink and white, so there I sat with a pink and white cap on, and the character behind me asked if I was 'gay' because of the hat?
I have no idea if he ever said that to anybody again...but feel certain that he realized that his own inner turmoils were not transferable to others at will....[beam][beam]
Please correct you statement, and more accurately say that 'some' live in fear everyday, as I'm sure you want to be as accurate as possible.
Thank you.
Have a nice day!

Chris Gimenez

Hey Robert, what's your response to the reality of what's coming across our borders? Maybe you and Lisa should offer to take a few of these little kiddies into your casa.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2707189/Violent-transnational-drug-cartels-recruiting-unaccompanied-minors-Border-Security-facilities.html

Or how about this one with drug-resistant TB going missing?

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/07/breaking-mexican-immigrant-with-drug-resistant-tb-goes-missing-in-california-video/

Or how about this proof that your president wants to allow the criminals to stay in this country illegally?

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-immigration-20140726-story.html#page=1

Lisa and Robert, I'll be waiting for your Left-wing five word response.[beam]

JBG JBG

Ahhhh, Say-Hey, How do I come by one of those New Houses Obama is giving away? Anybody know?

Paula Flinn

Befriend Quannell X ,or Al Sharpton, or Jesse Jackson! I don't know, I don't have one.

JBG JBG

If 75% of Hispanics voted for Obama and Bvresident did not, then that makes me WORST than he is,.... because 95% of African-Americans voted for him and JBG did not ......the second time at least, and WISHED I HAD NOT VOTED FOR HIM THE FIRST TIME!! ( ....and I wished I had all those dollars I sent to his campaign back too, ....I'd send them to the mission fields where they could do some real good!)
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See that is the problem in America today, so many people want to act and perform based on RACE!!!! Race Card is all we see today. Low Down Dirty RACE CARD!!!!!
Tell me something! Should I throw-up ( vomit )....right now and go curse every White, Hispanic, and Half-White, and Half-Hispanic out who are members of my family? Give me the Word!!!!!! Give me the Word "Rat" now!!!! [angry]

Paula Flinn

No, you shouldn't! Everybody in your family deserves your love, unless they do something that makes them undeserving (in your eyes).

JBG JBG

I'm still interested in one of those "FREE HOUSES" that nobody wants to tell me how to get!!! What's up?

Paula Flinn

I don't know...make a recording of you singing "Hail to the Chief," and see if that works!

sverige1
Lars Faltskog

Response to pfinn posted at 2:15 pm on Mon, Jul 28, 2014:

The biggest LOL of today. [beam]

Paula Flinn

I love your dove of peace logo, "Pax Christi." Isn't it kind of an oxymoron for some of the posters--not you--on these political letter & articles? (Ha,ha!)

sverige1
Lars Faltskog

Response to carlosrponce posted at 1:09 pm on Mon, Jul 28, 2014:

Are you asking a rhetorical question regarding schools' ability to be equipped to take in and educate these Central American children? I, for one, have great confidence in school personels' abilities to accommodate and answer to the needs of children of any background. Of course they are equipped, but I'm sure that "sheltered" education is needed now more than ever. And, if they're older...forget about graduating requirements in relation to the dreaded new STAAR tests. Perhaps they can be minimally graduated under alternative plans.

They are professionals who make the best of tough situations. They've done it before, will do it again. You say it's different that they (these influxes of refugees) are "without parental support". Are they that different? So have been many schoolchildren for at least 2 to 3 decades. One thing, however, that might be needed are more of those psychological-type personels...aka psych associates, LSSPs and the like. These children will likely have traumatic experiences that need filtering through discussion before they are ready to sit down and learn algebra substitutions and compare/contrast historical trivias.

Carlos Ponce

Even graduation under Minimum High School Plan (MHSP) requires taking the STAAR tests.
You ask, " Are they that different?" There are many studies that show a strong family structure will lead to a successful scholastic future. Not 100% and there are exceptions to every rule. These children will require far more than the average student and success is not guaranteed.

sverige1
Lars Faltskog

Hey carlos:


Well, I certainly agree with you in regard to the advantages of having a strong familial support. I really do think they need some triage in things like therapy groups. And also tutors to help them get to know what school systems are all about. I bet many of them have had little to no structured school setting thus far.

As far as graduation plan, perhaps the TX legislature will soon have to convene to see what grad plan some of them can be put on. Maybe similar to SPED ED. That way, some of the STAAR passing requirements can be "waived".

Paula Flinn

Thanks, Robert Hutchins, for writing such a compassionate letter expressing your views. I like to read other people's ideas, especially for a complex problem such as this. The power of prayer is a belief that many can support. I will pray for a compassionate, but fair solution.

Chris Gimenez

Yes, yes, so very compassionate indeed. This is what defines the Left-the expression of things they believe makes them superior to those like me whom they loathe. The reality is that words don't anymore make liberals compassionate than Obama being president makes him a leader.

I reserve my compassion for those who suffer misfortune through no fault of their own-which of course isn't something that applies to the criminals who are deliberately entering our country illegally.

Paula Flinn

They are children, not criminals, who are scared and suffering, through no fault of their own. Do not blame the children.

sverige1
Lars Faltskog

Well, pflinn -
It's apparent, glaringly, that BVresident has some anger issues regarding non-Republicans and folks who are not of native US origin.

I tried to ask him why he, as a Republican/Tea partier thinks that with his surname that Republicans even "tolerate" him. He won't answer b/c there's no logical explanation. It's the concept of cognitive dissonance, where if one who has a minority background tries to join the "big" leagues, then perhaps his/her feelings of inferiority will wane. For republicans/tea partiers, they have to maintain a "nativist" stance to keep their base.

It's no secret that Republicans have had big issues in trying to court a Hispanic vote of any significance. It simply means, however, that no one wants to support an organization (Repubs/TeaPartiers) that is hostile toward lesser affluent, non-WASP individuals.

Carlos Ponce

There you go again sverige, The Republican Party and their TEA Party friends ARE NOT "hostile toward lesser affluent, non-WASP individuals". All we have to do is be ourselves, show the differences between us and the Donkey Party and the votes will be there. The average Hispanic believes in a strong family, is pro-life, is self-reliant, believes in following rules. Think of it this way. You are at a movie theater to see a movie. Suddenly a group comes up and doesn't bother to get in line, or pay the cost of admission. The movie management doesn't say a word for fear of offending them. Then the management tells you that YOU have to pay for THEIR popcorn, drinks etc. You'd be upset. You stood in line, you paid the admission price, you would wonder what makes them so special that they don't have to follow the rules. That's how many Hispanics feel. We followed the rules, why can't they? Note: Hispanic support among Hispanics for Obama is at an all-time low (Pew Research), Immigration policy largely blamed.

Chris Gimenez

Servitude the Ridiculous, the reason I don't respond to your insanity is because you can't support anything you say. It's just a continual stream of hate for anyone who doesn't have your same warped view of this country and it's not worth my time.

However, I have to admit you've Left yourself wide open on why I'm a conservative with a Spanish name rather than a Hispanic living on the democrat party plantation. The only party that's ever called me names or expected me to vote in lockstep with its views is the Entitlement Party. The Right (and it's called the Right for a good reason) has different voices and while you ridicule that it's actually the sign of a party that welcomes it's supporters whether they accept the party stance on every issue or not. The Entitlement Party is a plantation party in which everyone must follow the lead sheep.

That's why there is such course descriptions and name-calling of any minority who happens to be a conservative. The Entitlement Party can't handle any minority who won't buy into their mentality that if you're a minority you must make yourself dependent on the federal government. Nuff said.

George Croix

I've been praying they'll stay in their own country, instead of coming here.

JBG JBG

Pflinn,
You ought to be ashamed. I'm trying to get a new home, and you are making a joke. I did not think you were like that. I think you owe me an apology. In your place I'd apologize to you like I did the other night when we were debating that WWII National Memorial, that you said was close for repairs.
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Of coarse we found out that you were wrong, after you charged me with telling a half lie. ![smile]
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BTW ...you never apologized to me about that either! Even after getting angry at MYTOBY for doing the same thing. Here is a chance to right things. If you do that It will make you feel a whole lot better, I guarantee you that,.....and it will make you sleep better too.

Paula Flinn

Awwwwwwwwww! I am sorry, Jbgood!

There, all better now! And I will sleep better, too!

JBG JBG

Pflinn,
Apology accepted! Thank you I needed that! You just don't know! People pick me all the time on this forum! They are all time picking on me. I hope you will maybe pray that they stop, because if they don't I'm going to take a long Sabbatical from this forum![sad]
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I know you will not be for that,.....I just KNOW it!

Paula Flinn

No, I would not be for that! I enjoy reading your posts because you have a wonderful sense of humor about it all. I am surprised that you took offense (did you really?) about my little joke. I did not mean to offend, and I think that you know that.

Anyway, keep posting and give us something to laugh about!

What amazes and surprises me is that people expect the winners of these elections to keep all of their promises they made when they were campaigning! Really? I don't think that any of 'em do (or will in the future).

2 million $$ words for today: sabbatical and fecklessness I like these words!

Miss Priss

Robert Hutchins is a well informed financial services consultant who actually knows what he is doing and talking about when it comes to the economy and monetary policy. He doesn't taut that in this article, however, he never says anything on a subject unless it's an informed opinion.

Unlike a certain sarcastic Chicano who is always ready to jump someone's you know what on these blogs in order to feel like a man, I'm glad there are other financial service professionals like Mr. Hutchins who behave reasonably to get their point across.

Good one Mr. Hutchins!

Chris Gimenez

That's so typical of you Truthless. You continue to cower behind anonymity while hurling insults and accusing elected officials of wrongdoing and yet I've never seen any of your predictions come to fruition. Why is that? You sound like a very disgruntled dimocrat county employee who's been denied every promotion opportunity and is now very bitter that the GOP has become the dominant holder of elected offices in Galveston County.

Between you and the other expert who's doing some kind of assistant teaching in another state and is always chiming in on Galveston politics it's become somewhat comical to listen to your histrionics.

I didn't see where the author of this piece claimed to have the knowledge you credit to him and I'm not really sure how if he does it would lend more credibility to his personal and political opinion piece, and I know he's been around for a number of years but maybe you can answer this question since you seem to know him so well. What does it mean when the author's business entity is shown on Bizapedia (as of April 2014) as being "Not In Good Standing" with the Secretary of State's Office?

Miss Priss

Jbgood ....I don't pick on you and don't think others do either. You actually crack me up and I agree with you most of the time.

George Croix

That's good to know.
The nation could use some good financial services consultants, to tell our leaders to stop wasting our money, and, on the subject at hand, to tell them how to grow some money trees, so we can pay for an invasion of what will likely be...more dependents...when about a third of the nation is already on some government assistance, thanks to 'fundamental change', and real personal income has dropped into the toilet.
By all means...hurry it up...[wink]

sverige1
Lars Faltskog

"Oh, The Places You'll Go...and Get Kicked Out Of" - a derivative of Dr. Seuss' version -

sverige1
Lars Faltskog


"Oh, The Places You'll Go...and Get Kicked Out Of" - a derivative of Dr. Seuss' version -

Howdy there, partner,
Today is your day.
You made it to Brownsville!
Now please go away.
parody:

And just cuz you're here,
Don't think that you beat us.
Cuz we don't love kids
Unless they're a fetus.

So cut us some slack,
Turn that frown upside-down,
It's not our fault
You're a little too brown.

Carlos Ponce

"You're a little too brown." sverige, color has NOTHING to do with it. But what else should we expect from you? Conservatives never look at race or color while it is on the forefront of Liberal's minds. Notice when a Liberal is losing an argument they throw down the "race card". No surprises from sverige.

sverige1
Lars Faltskog

Forgot to credit Bill Maher for the parody. More of this...you can see entirety on your own. In its entirety there's a bit of potty language:

"So be careful out there,
Or immigration will catch you.
And remember to never believe
What you read on a statue."

Carlos Ponce

Yes, you forgot to credit Bill Maher, a left wing loon, More Maher than Seuss.

sverige1
Lars Faltskog

Response to carlosrponce posted at 4:19 pm on Tue, Jul 29, 2014:

Well, don't you think you should be asking the author of the revised Dr. Seuss poem the question regarding the reference of color?

Your nor I authored this poem. However, it does bear consideration that if there were a couple of thousand of Canadian immigrants of Anglo origin coming down, would the blowback be to the same degree? Just you and I posing the question at this moment means that such a concept has been and will continue to be addressed.

All I can say is that I only reported this parody, didn't write it. I still think our educators will welcome these children with compassion and prayers...very similar to the concept of this subject.

Carlos Ponce

Well you and Mahrer make a nice couple. "[I]f there were a couple of thousand of Canadian immigrants of Anglo origin coming down, would the blowback be to the same degree? " YES, or a couple of thousand Germans, or Norwegians or Swedes, or Brits if they did not follow the rules. We are NOT, repeat NOT, repeat again for the third time NOT against immigration. Only a lame brained Leftist believes that. We are against ILLEGAL immigration. How many times must we repeat that. We are against ILLEGAL immigration. Let me repeat it again because I realize some on the Left are just plain hard-headed: We are not against immigration from any group. We are against ILLEGAL immigration. Do you get it sverige or do I have to hold you after class for reteaching?

Paula Flinn

I get it--you are against ILLEGAL immigration. Illegal means unlawful, or AGAINST THE LAW . These children are coming to the U.S. because there was a LAW signed before President Obama took office, that was meant to be against ILLEGAL trafficking. So, technically, they are following that LAW, and they are protected by that LAW, which makes them LEGAL in the U.S. for the time being.

As part of that law, if Congress doesn't act to change it, or tweak it somewhat, they will each get a hearing in court to plead their case, because they are covered or protected by that law. So, their entry into the U.S. is not illegal or unlawful. In fact, they are surrendering at the border and are following the law.

They will have to prove in court that they each qualify under the law in order to stay in the U.S. One child in Houston has a relative that hired a lawyer to plead his case to let him stay in the U.S. and live with his relative. He is one of the lucky ones. They showed that on the local news one night. The child had on new clothes and was all cleaned up. He was not a criminal or a gangster. He was about 9 or 10 years old.

From what I understand, the law received bi-partisan support, and Pres. Bush signed it on Dec. 23, 2008. The law was not meant to be used for this. It was meant to be used for victims of sexual abuse and trafficking of slave labor, victims of gang violence, etc. to seek refuge here. In their court hearings each one of the children will have to prove that returning them home will lead to their punishment or death. If they cannot prove that, they will be returned to their countries.

This is not meant to be a criticism of President Bush, or the D's and R's in Congress who wrote the bill and passed it. I know that they all had good intentions. These are just the facts. You may google it or yahoo search it and read it yourself.

Paula Flinn

Here, Carlos, I looked it up and found it on crimewatch.org

Bush Anti-Trafficking Law Blamed In Surge Of Kids On Texas Border

July 8, 2014 08:29:00 am


One of the last bills signed by President George W. Bush, the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Re-authorization Act of 2008, is at the root of the potentially calamitous flow of unaccompanied minors to the nation’s southern border, reports the New York Times. Pushed by a bipartisan coalition of lawmakers as well as by evangelical groups to combat sex trafficking, the bill gave substantial new protections to children entering the country alone who were not from Mexico or Canada by prohibiting them from being quickly sent back to their country of origin. It required that they be given an opportunity to appear at an immigration hearing and consult with an advocate, and it recommended that they have access to counsel.

It also required that they be turned over to the care of the Department of Health and Human Services, and the agency was directed to place the minor “in the least restrictive setting that is in the best interest of the child” and to explore reuniting those children with family members. The Obama administration says the law is partly responsible for tying its hands in dealing with the current influx of children. Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), who helped write the measure, said the White House does not need new power to act. “That law already provides the administration with flexibility to accelerate the judicial process in times of crisis,” she said. “The administration should use that flexibility to speed up the system while still treating these children humanely, with compassion and respect.”

George Croix

That 2008 law applies only to unaccompanied minors and only from countries not bordering the U.S.
It applies ONLY to those minors who do NOT have a parent or guardian in the U.S.
Initial interviews of the children by Border Patrol turned up an average of about 75% of them claiming they are NOT here as victims of trafficking, but to get a 'permisso' to stay in the country, because they've heard of they get here, they can stay.
In most reports, the parents or gaurdians of these children in their home countries are PAYING coyotes to bring them to our borderd, so that takes abuse of the children as a result of trafficking out of the picture in those cases.
The violence in central America and economic conditions there have made the place a basket case for decades, so one might well ask what has happened in the last couple of years to escalate the flow of humanity from there to us, becoming a virtual tidal wave in the last several months, and the correlation certainly seems to be the signing of DACA in June, 2012, for the epicenter of the rapidly increasing...increase...
The 2008 law as enacted had no provision for DACA, so IF it plays a role, something difficult to honestly discount, then the unintended consequences of both poorly thought out legislation and ideologically driven use of a pen and a phone become apparent...at about 12.5 million taxpayer bucks, plus, daily, just for 50,000 kids upkeep...
It's also undeniable that the dogmatic focus on 'comprehensive immigration reform' without actual border security first, an all or nothing, myway highway demand, is a great big reason why the tax money keeps flowing out and yet the illegals keep flooding in - and why simply amending the law to state that ALL such inlfux of people will be repatriated is unlikely anytime soon, if ever.
Considering these things, the status of 'illegal alien' is still a valid one for all except, initially, pre-hearing, about 25% of the UNACCOMPANIED minors, those claiming to be trafficking victims.
One could argue, successfully I think, that once you cross the border without permission, no matter what happens once you're on this side of it, you have broken the law by breaking the plane of the border without permission to do so.
No doubt, as is so often the case these days, even a successful arguing of it would be ignored by the feds, so, either way, it's a wash...

Carlos Ponce

To enter this country LEGALLY one must apply at the border, not enter then say "Here I am". What they did was ILLEGAL. IF the 2008 Bill were truly responsible for the surge then the surge would have happened SIX YEARS AGO. The "William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008" does not apply in this situation. See " 2008 Trafficking Law Largely Inapplicable to Current Border Crisis"
http://www.cis.org/2008-trafficking-law-inapplicable-current-border-crisis
And Senator Dianne Feinstein DID NOT help write the measure. H.R. 7311 (110th): William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection was written by HOUSE members John Conyers [D-MI14], Jeff Fortenberry [R-NE1], Zoe Lofgren [D-CA16], Ileana Ros-Lehtinen [R-FL18], Robert “Bobby” Scott [D-VA3], and Christopher “Chris” Smith[R-NJ4]. It was a HOUSE Bill for goodness sake, not a Senate Bill!
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/110/hr7311

Carlos Ponce

I forgot the Democratic HOUSE member who sponsored the bill in the first place:Howard Berman, Representative for California's 28th congressional district.

Paula Flinn

Granted most of them (probably over 75%) will be sent back, because they will not be eligible under the Wilbur Wilberforce Act (2008).

The small percentage of Central American children that are unaccompanied, have no guardian here, and do proclaim and prove that they are fleeing abuse or violence in their countries, will have the opportunity to stay here, unless Congress changes the U.S. immigration laws.

These are children, not criminals.

That's how I see it.

Chris Gimenez

Where did you get your statistic of 75%? It's flat out false. Based on the efforts of this administration to destroy our immigration laws, the majority of them will still be in this country a decade from now and the majority of them will still be illiterate and unemployable except for the most menial jobs and therefore will be dependent on our entitlement system. Which of course is exactly what the democrat party strives for.

Paula Flinn

There is an article that stated probably 75% of them thought (as the word spread among Mexican thugs who made money from "arranging" their trips to the U.S.) that if you make it here, that you can stay here. The majority of the children may not be escaping oppression at all.

How do you know what's going to happen? We have already sent one planeload back to Honduras, maybe more will follow.

Besides, if they stay in the U.S, they will go to our schools and learn English and other skills. They may be more motivated to get an education than some of our spoiled, pampered brats that think the world owes them a living, whether they make an effort in school, or not.

There are some Central American children already in Galveston. They are children, not criminals. They are children, they can learn.

Look at some of the Cubans who practically died coming to Florida illegally the last 30 or so years. Some of them were so enterprising that they now own their own businesses.

We do not know what is going to happen.

BTW, the Republicans in the House took time to file a lawsuit against President Obama today instead of doing anything on Immigration. 5 weeks of vacation for the "do nothings" begins soon!

George Croix

"... instead of doing anything on Immigration. 5 weeks of vacation for the "do nothings" begins soon! "
Ma'am, President Obama has already stated, loudly and often, that he WILL NOT sign anything into law vis-a-vis immigration reform except the unmodified Senate passed 'comprehensive immigration reform' that was sent to the House.
THAT 'reform' calls for PASSING it first, and signing it into law, and THEN addressing border security.
WHAT would you have those darned Republicans do, then...go along with that? NOTHING else will be acceprted by POTUS.
We can already see what's happening with an unsecured border.
We can also already see that this Administration simply ignores laws that IT has passed if it wants to.
Isn't the responsibel thing for the country to go ahead and secure the border, THEN talk about immigration reform for a relatively static number, rather than a daily exponential growth?
Yes, it is.
We SHOULD have learned from Reagan's screw up of giving amnesty WITHOUT a secure border. Looks like only some did....
And THAT is why it's dishonest of the President to put all the blame on the other side, when HE will not make a move except on EXACTLY what he wants, no matter the PROVEN harm to the nation.
President Obama is not the only President to have ignored the border magnet for illegals, ALL have, but he's the champ at taking zero responsibility, and only laying blame elsewhere.
Ma'm, Barack Obama was elected, not annointed, and not even crowned. ALL of the other members of the nations governing bodies were ALSO elected.
About time to shut up campaigning, and start working...

sverige1
Lars Faltskog

Response to carlosrponce posted at 6:27 pm on Tue, Jul 29, 2014:

I think we all know that to a child who has come to the USA, it makes no difference to him/her if he/she is "illegal" or not. Most will likely stay here in the USA. As I referenced in another post, I aim to be "realistic". Speaking realistically, the country will have to feed, educate, and help make employable most of these refugees.

The legal ramifications of immigrations is a rather moot point at this time.

Carlos Ponce

As Father Snyder of Catholic Relief Services said, take care of their immediate needs but ultimately the BEST thing for these children is repatriation.
"Take me home, Country Roads, to the place I belong
Central America, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador"

J. Shaffer

Don't recall any of the other immigrants expecting the country to feed or care for immigrants. In fact, the opposite is true: because of questionable immigration status they are vulnerable to those who would take advantage of them.

If you want to know what they face, spend some time reading about the Irish immigration to America during the potato famine. They faced racism, poor housing at outrageous prices and were accused of sticking together, using native language and sending money back home.

Sound familiar?

sverige1
Lars Faltskog

Response to NurseJayne posted at 6:44 am on Thu, Jul 31, 2014:

Your point regarding the Irish is well-documented and topical. Then again, as of right now I think we have an "age" factor in which the youngsters are definitely not of working age. Ipso facto, they'll have to be boardered in some type of dwelling, fed, and educated.

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