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Kelly Naschke

What is the injustice faced by the millionaires that you speak of?

Emile Pope

Maybe you should ask Michael Bennett. And exactly is it written that you have to suffer an injustice in order to protest injustice? Many people during the Civil Rights era protested segregation that they were not subjected to. Jonathan Myrick Daniels, Andrew Goodman, Michael Schwerner, and Viola Liuzzo are examples. Sorry that you feel that people should only object to things that affect them personally...

Emile Pope

"where is it written"

Kelly Naschke

Are we talking about the same Michael Bennet that was outside of a nightclub at 1:30 am when gunshots rang out...and he acted suspicious and jumped a wall, ran from police, was detained and found not to have been involved in the shooting, was released, and then lied about what happened? Just for clarity...is THAT the right Michael Bennet?

Emile Pope

Garbage. He was at a nightclub when shots rang out. He did just as everyone else in the club did and ran away from the gunfire. The police ignored all of the white patrons running away, drew their weapons on him, and threatened to kill him. Since when is running away from the sound of gunshots deemed suspicious behavior? And since there was no description of the shooter, why did the cops ignore everyone else running and target Bennet?

Carlos Ponce

"12:30 PM PT -- Sources connected to the investigation tell TMZ Sports ... when cops responded to the club for a possible shooting, they ordered everyone to get down and not move so they could properly search and investigate.
We're told Bennett did not stay put -- instead, he ran -- and a cop outside the club stopped him and ordered him down to the ground at gunpoint.
Our sources say Bennett was detained until cops could determine he was not involved in any possible criminal activity ... and he was released."
http://www.tmz.com/2017/09/06/michael-bennett-arrest-video/
Why didn't he "get down and not move so they could properly search and investigate"?
Failure to follow an officer's directives will make them suspicious.
"Bennett said he was detained by police 'for doing nothing more than simply being a black man.' "
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2017/09/07/las-vegas-police-investigating-seattle-seahawks-michael-bennett-altercation/644202001/
No, Michael you were detained for acting suspiciously, running instead of following police directives to get down. Race had nothing to do with it.
"As they moved toward the nightclub, an individual later identified as Bennett was seen crouched down behind a gaming machine as the officers approached," McMahill sald. "Once Bennett was in the officer's view, he quickly ran out the south doors, jumped over a wall onto Flamingo Road East of Las Vegas Boulevard into traffic."
According to McMahill, the officers viewed Bennett's actions as suspicious, which is why he was handcuffed.
ttps://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/las-vegas-police-explain-michael-bennett-incident-deny-claim-of-racial-profiling/
The mindset not to follow a police officer's LAWFUL directives is STUPID.

Carlos Ponce

"No disrespect intended". But that is the image projected.

Raymond Lewis

The Naschke response is beyond believe in its shallowness.

Mark Aaron

Raymond: "The Naschke response is beyond believe in its shallowness."

And you caught him on a good day.

Kelly Naschke

Then answer the question.

Mark Aaron

Carlos: ""No disrespect intended". But that is the image projected."

Not for most people.

Kelly Naschke

Tell that to the NFL that’s watching it’s ratings and apparel sales shrink. Seems like there are more people burning season tickets and jerseys than buying them???? Why is that Mark?

Mark Aaron

Leroy: "Tell that to the NFL that’s watching it’s ratings and apparel sales shrink. Seems like there are more people burning season tickets and jerseys than buying them???? Why is that Mark?"

Do you have any proof for that claim Leroy?

Doyle Beard

Apparently this guy doesnt read much or listen about the shrinking of sales along with the grumbling by sponsors.

Mark Aaron

Doyle: [Apparently this guy doesnt read much or listen about the shrinking of sales along with the grumbling by sponsors.]

Do you have a problem with confirming facts Doyle, or do you just take everyone's word for their claims.

Doyle Beard

I try to separate the phony news from the truth. Evedently you have your heard in the sand. Why do you think the NFL (leeches) are nervous?

Kelly Naschke

Mark has displayed his ignorance for all to see . A simple google and YouTube search corroborates EVERYTHING I have said. The NFL ratings have STEADILY dropped since this nonsense has begun. That’s NOT debatable. It’s proven FACT. But....as we all see... FACTS are irrelevant to Mark...despite his Ridiculous emoji.

Mark Aaron

Leroy: "Mark has displayed his ignorance for all to see . A simple google and YouTube search corroborates EVERYTHING I have said. The NFL ratings have STEADILY dropped since this nonsense has begun. That’s NOT debatable. It’s proven FACT. But....as we all see... FACTS are irrelevant to Mark...despite his Ridiculous emoji."

Poor Leroy, you must be stressed out. All I did was ask for some proof. Do you need help understanding how to capture and post a link? It isn't all that difficult.

So where is your proof? What is the source/sources of your assertion?

Jim Forsythe

The league could still stage a ratings comeback like it did last year when the playoffs approached. 
 It's still nice weather and some are not watching football, but doing other things At the end of the year the total attendance may be down or may increase . I do not know if NFL SUNDAY TICKET is counted as part of the viewers.
Some marquee games have already performed better than they did last year, such as NBC's "SNF" opener between the New York Giants and the Dallas Cowboys, which was up 6% over the comparable game last year. It's been a mix bag so far.
And let's not forget that the NFL is still the biggest show in town when it comes to ratings.
"The ratings, even while down, are still pretty much the highest on TV, and I think it remains very valuable as a promotional platform for other shows,"  

NFL Sunday Ticket is a service offered by DirecTV that allows football fans to watch every NFL game, every week. It costs $280/year
NFL SUNDAY TICKET commercial package
The least expensive commercial package, for bars with an occupancy of up to 50 people, costs nearly $1,500/year, . At larger occupancies, that ratio is even larger. For example, a bar that can fit up to 150 people will pay $4,630/year for Sunday Ticket, . And for mega-size venues with upwards of 5,000 guests, the annual cost for Sunday Ticket ($57,864) 
The biggest fee, for venues with occupancies larger than 10,000, is $122,895/year for Sunday Ticket. .
 



 

Kelly Naschke

Thanks for confirming my point Jim. It appears Mark Aaron lives in a bubble with no awareness of what goes on outside the lines of his leftist media sources. And, while you confirmed my point you skip around the reality as to WHY the ratings are down. You also neglected to mention the refunds that direct tv has agreed to make to disgruntled subscribers. Why are so many subscribers wanting refunds Jim? Or maybe Mark can answer......

Mark Aaron

Leroy: "[Thanks for confirming my point Jim.]

Jim did not confirm your point Leroy. In fact he made the point that the NFL has seen some decline in its products for several years before Kaepernick's honorable protest. I believe they have also seen some increases in other products.

==> [It appears Mark Aaron lives in a bubble with no awareness of what goes on outside the lines of his leftist media sources.]

No, I just learned not to believe everything I hear or read. I like some facts to make a determination with.

==>[You also neglected to mention the refunds that direct tv has agreed to make to disgruntled subscribers. Why are so many subscribers wanting refunds Jim? Or maybe Mark can answer......]

Who told you that was happening Leroy? Do you have a link to a credible source saying that?

Craig Lindberg

Mark writes "I believe they have also seen some increases in other products."

After your childish tirade demanding a link to prove the opposite claim, it's funny you don't see fit to apply your own standards to your claims.

Jim Forsythe

Direct TV said if you want a refund, I have not found how many did, if any. Maybe you can find out how many?
 I did find where NFL Sunday Ticket views, do not count towards local Nielsen ratings; . Which accounts for some if not most of the reduction in ratings ,going back several years. The other thing that reduces viewership is viewing party's, that are part of Fantasy football. The number of people that play, is about 33 Million and increasing at a rate of one to two Million a year .  The teams are made up of 8 to 10 owners. A lot of these owners get together with their fellow owners, and have a viewing party. The most of games they watch, do not count towards local Nielsen ratings; .

You said ,."The NFL ratings have STEADILY dropped since this nonsense has begun " which  may be only partly true. If you look at the last few years, you would have seen that the rating has been falling each year .To say the reason rating are down because of the .protest , is not  100% True. To determine how many former fans turned the NFL off, because of the protest is hard to pin point. The numbers may be down because they have other things to do or are using  NFL Sunday Ticket .

The last three games I watched, did not show the anthem.
It looks like the NFL will address this, at their owners meeting, that I think is this week.  

Mark Aaron

Jim: [Direct TV said if you want a refund, I have not found how many did, if any. Maybe you can find out how many?]

Yes, I would like to see that too.

Thanks for the many useful facts you bring to the debate Jim.

Kelly Naschke

You clowns are HILARIOUS! Funny how you believe your own drivel. The NFL ratings drop is unarguable....it’s FACT. Yet listen to your denial of FACT. Guys like you that are unwilling to recognize FACT....and still tow the party line....are exactly why you will see 7 more years of Trump.

Jim Forsythe


Do you have a reason to call me a clown. I said  the NFL has been losing viewers for the last several years. 
This is a fact, how many viewers they have lost because of the protest, is a guess.
If you do not care about the NFL, why do you care if they lose viewers?
It's their Business to run as they see fit.
If you do not like how they are running their Business, do not watch.

Mark Aaron

Leroy: [ The NFL ratings drop is unarguable....it’s FACT. Yet listen to your denial of FACT. Guys like you that are unwilling to recognize FACT...]

If it is such an undeniable fact then why can't you simply post a credible link making that assertion Leroy? Do you need help cutting and pasting links?

Craig Lindberg

Mark, are you actually claiming that NFL ratings are not down and that the drop is not affecting sponsors or are you just trying to be a jerk?

"Through the first six weeks of the NFL season, total viewership of games is down 7.5 percent, compared with the first six weeks of 2016… In the past week, Credit Suisse lowered its price targets on both Fox and CBS stock, citing NFL ratings declines… Compared with the first six weeks of the 2015 season, NFL ratings are off 18.7 percent -- a sharp drop, but a smaller decline when considering the general overall fall in television viewership due to people dropping their cable packages."
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21056998/nfl-ratings-75-percent-week-6-2017-compared-2016

Mark Aaron

Craig: [Mark, are you actually claiming that NFL ratings are not down and that the drop is not affecting sponsors or are you just trying to be a jerk?]

No, I am honestly just trying to get some facts on the table.

==> "a sharp drop, but a smaller decline when considering the general overall fall in television viewership due to people dropping their cable packages."
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21056998/nfl-ratings-75-percent-week-6-2017-compared-2016

Finally, some facts. Thank you. So the facts are telling a somewhat milder story, aren't they? There is some drop off, but some of it is because people are dropping their cable packages. This also follows a trend of falling for several years in a row. 8% last year.

So the actual loss due to the protests might be as low as 1 or 2%. Not quite earthshaking, is it? The more determined racists could account for the loss. Most people don't care, or they support the protest.

Carlos Ponce

Little Marky, even the loss of ONE percentage point means a huge loss of revenue. It has dropped far more than that. Advertisers are trying to renegotiate their fees.

Craig Lindberg

Mark writes: "So the facts are telling a somewhat milder story, aren't they? There is some drop off, but some of it is because people are dropping their cable packages. This also follows a trend of falling for several years in a row. 8% last year.
So the actual loss due to the protests might be as low as 1 or 2%. Not quite earthshaking, is it? The more determined racists could account for the loss. Most people don't care, or they support the protest."

I think you are making some unsupportable assumptions. People dropping cable packages was not cited as a reason this year, so as far as we know, this year has had a 7.5% drop among people who kept their cable. CS would not have downgraded CBS and Fox on a 1% or 2% ratings drop nor would the analysts have downgraded them if they thought the ratings were going to swing the other direction as the season progresses.

Mark Aaron

Craig: [I think you are making some unsupportable assumptions. People dropping cable packages was not cited as a reason this year]

From your ESPN source:
_" a sharp drop, but a smaller decline when considering the general overall fall in television viewership due to people dropping their cable packages."_

==> [CS would not have downgraded CBS and Fox on a 1% or 2% ratings drop nor would the analysts have downgraded them if they thought the ratings were going to swing the other direction as the season progresses.]

From your source:
_"On Monday, Sheikh estimated third-quarter revenue for CBS would be off 3 percent, versus the previously projected 1 percent, due to "soft ratings for both the summer [programming] and for the start of the NFL season.""_

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21056998/nfl-ratings-75-percent-week-6-2017-compared-2016

Mark Aaron

Carlos: [Little Marky, even the loss of ONE percentage point means a huge loss of revenue. It has dropped far more than that. Advertisers are trying to renegotiate their fees.]

Their revenues were down -3% from a projected -1%. Following a multi-year trend of diminishing viewership. Not exactly the kneeling-induced-panic you would pretend Carlos, is it?

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21056998/nfl-ratings-75-percent-week-6-2017-compared-2016

Carlos Ponce

Little Marky, they're still losing potential money. Oh yeah, that's right. Liberals don't think ANYONE should make a profit

Craig Lindberg

Mark writes: " a sharp drop, but a smaller decline when considering the general overall fall in television viewership due to people dropping their cable packages."

Mark, either you didn't read the article or your are intentionally misrepresenting it. That quote is 2016 v. 2015 NOT 2017 v. 2016.

Mark Aaron

Craig: [Mark, either you didn't read the article or your are intentionally misrepresenting it. That quote is 2016 v. 2015 NOT 2017 v. 2016. ]

Ack, you are right. My error. My apologies.

So, given how vague this article is about the actual losses from the protest, do you have a better source?

Mark Aaron

Carlos: [Little Marky, they're still losing potential money. Oh yeah, that's right. Liberals don't think ANYONE should make a profit]

Hey Carlos, did you see in the news where policemen, city council men/women, and protesters other than athletes are now taking a knee? Cool, huh?

Craig Lindberg

Mark writes: "Ack, you are right. My error. My apologies.

So, given how vague this article is about the actual losses from the protest, do you have a better source?"

Mark asks for a source. Mark is given a liberal-leaning source (ESPN) that is directly on point. Mark misquotes source thinking it supports his POV. When corrected, Mark no longer likes the source and wants another. You can't make this stuff up... unless you're Mark...

Maybe now it's time for Mark supply a credible source that demonstrates there is NOT a rating drop???

Mark Aaron

""So, given how vague this article is about the actual losses from the protest, do you have a better source?""

Craig: [Mark asks for a source. ~ Mark misquotes source thinking it supports his POV. When corrected, Mark no longer likes the source and wants another. You can't make this stuff up... unless you're Mark..]

The article was vague and did not list any manner of loss from the take-a-knee protest, which was the point of the request for sources/facts. It brought some facts to the table, but not near enough to make any kind of confident assertion either way. Can you find anything better than what Jim has supplied?

==> [Maybe now it's time for Mark supply a credible source that demonstrates there is NOT a rating drop???]

Jim seems to have handled that already. Thanks Jim. Great job as always.

Mark Aaron

Carlos: [Little Marky, they're still losing potential money. Oh yeah, that's right. Liberals don't think ANYONE should make a profit]

It looks to me like their loses are fairly normal considering their recent history. I don't know that this loss has anything to do with athletes taking a knee at all.

Why do you believe the NFL athletes are taking a knee Carlos?

Carlos Ponce

"Why do you believe the NFL athletes are taking a knee Carlos?"
They kneel to support Colin Kaepernick and want him reinstated. But he's not the same quarterback he used to be. He's gotten some poor advice. A vegan diet is okay for an ordinary person but for an NFL player it is not good. He's lost weight and muscle mass. He claimed he hadn't loss any muscle mass in 2016 but his performance after becoming vegan is not up to NFL standards.

Jim Forsythe

Stepfan Taylor
Having struggled with his weight and low energy levels as a kid, nutrition became a top priority for Stepfan at a young age. Now, at age 26, Stepfan is considering veganism as a way to take his performance to the next level. 

Chicago Bears defensive lineman David Carter suffered from tendonitis and fatigue in the first few years of his NFL career, and in 2014 decided to switch to a 100 percent plant-based diet.  Carter quickly lost 40 pounds on his new diet but gradually got back up to 300 pounds, and Carter says he’s stronger than ever.
Other NFL Vegans.
Houston Texans running back Arian Foster ,Tony Fiammetta., Ricky Williams,Tony Gonzalez, Montell Owens, Deuce Lutui

Mark Aaron

"Why do you believe the NFL athletes are taking a knee Carlos?"

Carlos: [They kneel to support Colin Kaepernick and want him reinstated.]

Why do the NFL athletes want him back so badly?

Is that the only reason they kneel Carlos?

Kelly Naschke

I do care about the NFL as do many other fans that patronize sports. Most want just that....sports. Not politics. The left has politicized the NFL. Support for the league has dropped. What about that DON’T you understand?

Mark Aaron

Leroy: [I do care about the NFL as do many other fans that patronize sports. Most want just that....sports. Not politics. The left has politicized the NFL.]

Did you miss Trump's speech in Alabama attacking the players Leroy? He called them SOB's. Why are you not mad at Trump?

Kelly Naschke

Sorry Mark, but your inability to reason and total ignorance of the situation renders you as incompetent and unworthy of a rebuttal. It’s fairly obvious to anyone that’s folliwed along with this discussion, that your only motive is to argue. You’ve been dismissed.

Carlos Ponce

Little Marky posts: "Why are you not mad at Trump?" Because Donald Trump is expressing the feelings of millions of ordinary Americans especially NFL fans. But being an elitist Liberal blinds some to the feelings of ordinary Americans.
Each player taking a knee is nailing the coffin on the fate of the NFL. Roger Goodell is supplying the hammer. But that's what elitist Liberals want - the death of the NFL- too masculine with cheerleaders wearing figure revealing outfits. And the commercials were in the same vein "Take it off, take it all off with Noxema" the lovely young lady used to say promoting shaving cream among other ads now considered risque by the PC crowd.
With reports of concussions they thought the NFL was doomed when some parents steering their boys from youth and school football. But players weighing the amount of money supplied to their families against potential health concerns decided to stick with the game. Football is a dangerous sport - that's one reason people watch.

Jim Forsythe

"Football is a dangerous sport - that's one reason people watch" and  some of the following people watch for the same reason..  
Below is a list, of some of the sports that have serious injuries and deaths each year. At the Pro or Olympic level, some have the same high level of risk or more as football. Parents tend to steer their kids away from some of the higher risk sports on this list. The amount of money, that can be made in some of these sports, is far more than can be made in football.
Dangerous sports, incomplete list.
 Horseback Riding(Olympic Discipline), Bull Riding ,Gymnastics , Cheerleading , Hockey , Boxing , Wrestling , Rugby , Motocross , Lacrosse , Rugby , Mixed Martial Arts, Parkour ,Soccer , Base Jumping , Skydiving , Pole vault , Supercross , Longboarding , Kayaking , Karate , Trampolining , Free Climbing , Speed Skiing , Cycling , Speed Skiing ,  Skiing , Jousting , FreeStyle BMX, Polo, Mountain Biking ,Mountaineering , Surfing , Figure Skating , Horse Racing , Cliff Diving , Skateboarding , Snowboarding, Free Diving, Luge, Nascar. and more.

Carlos Ponce

Relatively speaking, the numbers viewing these other sports has not been as high - but that may soon change.

Jim Forsythe

In fact, more people have been tuning in. When counting all that watch.
For game between the Dallas Cowboys and Arizona Cardinals, the Monday Night Football game received a 9.3 overnight rating for ESPN. Throughout the season, Monday Night Football games have averaged a 7.8 overnight rating.
During the first month of the season last year, Monday night games averaged a 6.5 overnight rating.
Overall, league ratings for the week were up three percent across all networks.
However, CBS had even more success. The pre-game show on CBS received its highest rating in seven years, while the network saw a four point surge across the board.
So while some may drive the narrative that national anthem protests are turning viewers away and hurting the NFL’s bottom line, it is very clear that is not the case.
The NFL is as popular as ever, and that won’t be changing anytime soon — especially if Trump continues to target the league with his Twitter tantrums.

Other sports with big paydays. To pay this much, requires a large following of the sport.
How much has Mayweather made in career earnings (Boxing). Mayweather has earned about $700 million in prize money from fights during his career, Forbes estimates. After Mayweather's blockbuster win over Manny Pacquiao in 2015, Mayweather made about $180 million. 
Cristiano Ronaldo Athlete, Soccer  — as of 6/7/17, $93 M  for one year. 
Lewis Hamilton  Athlete, Auto Racing , Earnings — as of 6/7/17 , $46 M  for one year.

Carlos Ponce

Jim posts: "In fact, more people have been tuning in. When counting all that watch."
Then they change the channel. After Jerry Jones' remarks people and that includes non-football fans were interested in how many protested. But tuning in at the beginning of the game counts as "viewing".

Jim Forsythe

You know this how? How do you know they change the channel? How many turned off the game, after seeing how many protested?  You watched ?

On 25 September 2017, amid a fiery debate over whether professional athletes are correct in kneeling in conjunction with the national anthem to protest violence by police against civilians, Cowboys players and owner Jerry Jones all linked arms and kneeled together in a sign of unity prior to the anthem:
Despite the fact that Jones knelt arm in arm with Dallas Cowboys players prior to the national anthem on 25 September 2017, fake quotes attributed to the team’s owner continued to circulate on social media:

Carlos Ponce

Jim, have you ever been a Nielsen rater? I have. Sometimes you fill out a log book and sometimes it's electronic (Set Meters or People Meters). In a log book (diary) demographics and number of viewers is provided by the viewer(s). An electronic monitor (Set Meter) just tells them if the television was on and what channel the TV is set to. For all they know, no one is in the room. "People Meters" require each viewer log in. Their demographics already programmed into the unit. Guests have to enter themselves into the system.
Each system is seriously flawed yet the industry relies on the information from them.

Jim Forsythe

Since the system is flawed, how do you know how many turned off the game, after seeing how many protested?
You were part of a poll, that is seriously flawed? You agreed to this? I hope they payed you a lot !

Mark Aaron

Jim: [So while some may drive the narrative that national anthem protests are turning viewers away and hurting the NFL’s bottom line, it is very clear that is not the case.]

Thanks again for the helpful facts you bring to the conversation Jim.

So the acerbic assertions aside the "fallout" from the take-a-knee protest appears to be vaporware. Nothing to it.

Mark Aaron

Carlos: [Little Marky posts: "Why are you not mad at Trump?" Because Donald Trump is expressing the feelings of millions of ordinary Americans especially NFL fans. But being an elitist Liberal blinds some to the feelings of ordinary Americans.]

Trump is the one who dishonestly claimed Kaepernick and others where intentionally dishonoring the troops. He is the one who turned the honorable protest into political candy for the easily duped. He encouraged a dishonest interpretation of the protest and even made Pence an accomplice. Any objective observer can see Trump's jingoistic ploy for what it is. Trump is speaking for no one. He is rabble rousing.

==> [Each player taking a knee is nailing the coffin on the fate of the NFL. Roger Goodell is supplying the hammer. But that's what elitist Liberals want - the death of the NFL]

Judging by the facts Craig and Jim have produced there is nothing to your claim. It is without foundation. Unless you have other more convincing facts. Do you Carlos?

==> [With reports of concussions they thought the NFL was doomed when some parents steering their boys from youth and school football. But players weighing the amount of money supplied to their families against potential health concerns decided to stick with the game. Football is a dangerous sport - that's one reason people watch.]

Is that why you watch high school football Carlos, to see kids get hurt?

Mark Aaron

Jim: [Despite the fact that Jones knelt arm in arm with Dallas Cowboys players prior to the national anthem on 25 September 2017, fake quotes attributed to the team’s owner continued to circulate on social media:]

Some of those Russian sites Carlos frequents, no doubt.

Carlos Ponce

They were looking for "Latino input" and I don't watch that type of programming. After a few months, I was dropped since I did not watch what they wanted me to watch. That's very telling.

Craig Lindberg

Mark writes: "[Trump] is the one who turned the honorable protest into political candy for the easily duped.

Honorable protest? Right. Because honorable people wear socks depicting cops as pigs and shirts glorifying Fidel Castro. Do tell Mark, how does one who glorifies a mass oppressor and murderer like Fidel Castro protest oppression and murder with a straight face? There was nothing honorable about it. He deliberately picked a completely inappropriate time and place to do it because he know it would draw maximum attention to HIM. This "protest" was about CK glorifying CK.

Mark Aaron

Carlos: [Then they change the channel.]

Ouch. You are sounding pretty desperate Carlos.

Mark Aaron

Craig: [ Right. Because honorable people wear socks depicting cops as pigs and shirts glorifying Fidel Castro.]

Whatever are you talking about Craig? Do you have a source for these claims?

Jim Forsythe

Carlos, what is telling, you allowed yourself to be part of a seriously flawed poll

Carlos Ponce

Just being curious!

Carlos Ponce

Kaepernick wearing disrespectful socks
"LOOK: Colin Kaepernick's practice socks appear to disrespect the police"
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/look-colin-kaepernicks-practice-socks-appear-to-disrespect-the-police/
And from the uber Left Snopes:
"Left Tee Shirt: Controversial NFL quarterback Colin Kaepernick made a "radical chic" fashion choice for a recent television appearance"
https://www.snopes.com/kaepernick-wears-castro-t-shirt/
Really, Little Marky, These are easy to find. You are getting very lazy or do you just want to question everything that goes against your Liberal hero Colin???

Jim Forsythe

 Vegan diet ,Superman, British police, Nielsen rater, potential money and now fashion, What's next?

Mark Aaron

Carlos: [Kaepernick wearing disrespectful socks]

So in Carlos' America people aren't allowed to make jokes about the authorities? You know he never wore the socks at a game or during a protest, right?

==> [And from the uber Left Snopes: "Left Tee Shirt: Controversial NFL quarterback Colin Kaepernick made a "radical chic" fashion choice for a recent television appearance"]

You are stretching credulity trying to label the obviously objective Snopes as "uber left." You merely admit how far to the extreme right you exist.

Now you are upset over fashion choices? You don't want Mr. Kaepernick to have any rights. Is that the cost for protesting now, you lose your fashion rights? Careful you don't get the smell of that red herring on you Carlos.

Mark Aaron

Hey Carlos, I saw today where the national anthem singer at an NBA game took a knee in unity with the take-a-knee protest. Cool, huh? High school students are picking up on it too. Trump really started something when be disparaged the NFL protest, didn't he?

Mark Aaron

Jim: [Vegan diet ,Superman, British police, Nielsen rater, potential money and now fashion, What's next?]

Looks like they are a little late. The take-a-knee protest is going viral.

Carlos Ponce

Little Marky posts: "So in Carlos' America people aren't allowed to make jokes about the authorities?"
While you are no authority on anything, if I had toilet paper made with your avatar printed on it would that be okay with you? It's all in jest, you see.[cool]
Bound to be best seller in Galveston County, don't you think?

Carlos Ponce

Little Marky posts: "Hey Carlos, I saw today where the national anthem singer at an NBA game took a knee in unity with the take-a-knee protest."
That's the problem with misplaced loyalties. they beget more stupidity.

Mark Aaron

Carlos: [ Little Marky posts: "So in Carlos' America people aren't allowed to make jokes about the authorities?" While you are no authority on anything, if I had toilet paper made with your avatar printed on it would that be okay with you? It's all in jest, you see. Bound to be best seller in Galveston County, don't you think? ]

Another stinky red herring Carlos. You are becoming quite the fish monger lately.

Mark Aaron

Carlos: [ That's the problem with misplaced loyalties. they beget more stupidity. ]

You mean like the GOP does to science and economics?

Carlos Ponce

Little Marky posts: "Another stinky red herring Carlos. You are becoming quite the fish monger lately."
You're the fisherman, Little Marky.

Carlos Ponce

Little Marky posts: "You mean like the GOP does to science and economics?"
No, not at all. They rely on real data. Liberals rely on falsified data for both subjects.

Mark Aaron

Carlos: [ No, not at all. They rely on real data. Liberals rely on falsified data for both subjects.]

You mean economics like the Republicans tried in Kansas?

Jim Forsythe

Do I stand for the anthem, yes, ,but where you and I differ, is a person right to protest on the sidelines. Some people are protesting the NFL by not buying their product, which is great, and no one should force them, to buy or watch.
The part about players not standing for their protest is were we  different. Some people think that it is un American  which is great, and they should continue thinking this.  If  this is your stance, I hope you continue your protest. against the NFL.
My take is different, because I had a Uncle that died in WW11. My thinking is that he died, so people could have the right to protest.
Not to limit protest. 

Everyone that protest, is losing money because they get part of the jerseys money and such. They are also aware that they could be suspended or let go. If you are going to protest ,you must be willing to receive the outcome from your actions.

The NFL and the networks are not showing the playing of the anthem  at lease the last few I have watched.. They are also have meetings that might change they way it is handled.


Carlos Ponce

Several members of the Ravens and Jaguars knelt for the American National Anthem but stood for "God Save the Queen" in London.
But British police don't kill Black men, right? Wrong!
"BRITISH POLICE KILL BLACK MAN IN LONDON"
https://www.facebook.com/TRTP2/videos/857709467721308/
"UK Police kills 40-year old black man"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wesIxZXjxEg
Do a web search for more.
And who introduced slavery into the American colonies?????
England.
The players that knelt in London then stood for the God Save the Queen are hypocrites.

Jim Forsythe

You protest to change, in this case the USA anthem is what the NFL players are using as a focus.
Are you saying that the NFL players have some kind of ties to a "40-year old black man" in the UK?
And these ties would be what?

Carlos Ponce

"Are you saying that the NFL players have some kind of ties ..." I thought the protest was against police treatment of people of African descent. According to you that's not it at all.

Jim Forsythe

Are you saying that the NFL players have some kind of ties to a "40-year old black man" in the UK?

Carlos Ponce

Yes, Jim, it's obvious to anyone with common sense.
NFL players take a knee for playing American National Anthem before a game in London to protest American police killing Black men.
NFL players stand while GOD SAVE THE QUEEN is played but that country also has incidences where police have killed Black men.
I thought Black lives mattered. What you're posting sounds like only American Black lives matter, forget the rest.

Steve Fouga

Carlos is proof positive that not all the nutty political crap you see on social media is a Russian bot or troll. I happen to know he lives in Galveston County. [beam]

Carlos Ponce

Ah, Steve, sounds like you're jealous of my candidness an truthfulness. Like Superman I stand for TRUTH, JUSTICE, and the AMERICAN WAY. That must mean you are opposed to these ideals.

Steve Fouga

I admire your candidness and truthfulness. I just think you're misguided in what you see as truth, justice, and the American way. You've been inculcated with overly conservative principles in the cauldron of Southeast Texas politics. [wink]

Carlos Ponce

"You've been inculcated with overly conservative principles in the cauldron of Southeast Texas politics."
Overly? Just follow the Constitution. Obey the laws. How is that "overly"?

Mark Aaron

Carlos: [Overly? Just follow the Constitution. Obey the laws. How is that "overly"?]

Your interpretation of the Constitution is that of an extremist.You willingly lie and distort to support an extreme ideology.

Craig Lindberg

Mark writes "Your interpretation of the Constitution is that of an extremist.You willingly lie and distort to support an extreme ideology."

Now that's funny. What a perfect example of the primary leftist tactic of accusing your enemy of doing exactly what you are doing yourself.

Mark Aaron

Craig: [Now that's funny. What a perfect example of the primary leftist tactic of accusing your enemy of doing exactly what you are doing yourself.]

More like a case of you projecting your guilt on to others.

Mark Aaron

Steve: [Carlos is proof positive that not all the nutty political crap you see on social media is a Russian bot or troll. I happen to know he lives in Galveston County.]

I am concerned Carlos my have been inspired by them more than he might realize.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/democracy-post/wp/2017/10/17/how-the-russians-pretended-to-be-texans-and-texans-believed-them/?utm_term=.1dc88a064b5f

Carlos Ponce

Little Marky and Steve, I do not use social media so again your posts are WRONG!
No Facebook account, no twitter account, NADA!

Craig Lindberg

Mark writes: "More like a case of you projecting your guilt on to others."

Hummm, let's see, in the past couple weeks I've highlighted ~20-30 of your lies and distortions trying to support your extreme ideology, and I've lied and distorted exactly zero times. Like I said, your name calling and bullying tactics don't work on me, but it's entertaining to watch you try.

Steve Fouga

Carlos, by most peoples' definition, you're using social media right now. But I take your point; I never figured you for person who would fall for the Russian bots and trolls even if you did have Facebook and Twitter accounts. I saw your Daily News Forum posts far in advance of the election, and understood you to be a staunch conservative who would never consider voting for Secretary Clinton.

My point was that some of your posts are almost as over-the-top as the Russian bots and trolls.

Carlos Ponce

Steve posts "My point was that some of your posts are almost as over-the-top as the Russian bots and trolls."
Since I've never read anything by "Russian bots or troll" I'll have to take your word for it. Interesting that you are familiar with such.[rolleyes]

Steve Fouga

It is interesting, Carlos, because I had no desire to see them at all. Nonetheless I saw a lot of them, unbidden, because many of my Facebook friends are conservatives, and they shared Russian posts. Last summer and fall -- election season -- Russian political propaganda was hard to avoid. Initially, of course, nobody knew it was the Russians. The posts were just bizarrely right-wing, often weird or creepy, and much of the time felt like English as a second language.

Your posts are never weird or creepy, and your language skills are excellent, as I'd expect from a teacher. This is how I distinguish your posts from Russian political propaganda. [wink]

Mark Aaron

Craig: [Hummm, let's see, in the past couple weeks I've highlighted ~20-30 of your lies and distortions trying to support your extreme ideology, and I've lied and distorted exactly zero times. Like I said, your name calling and bullying tactics don't work on me, but it's entertaining to watch you try.]

"The delusion is strong with this one Lord Palpatine."

Craig Lindberg

Mark writes: ""The delusion is strong with this one Lord Palpatine."

Does it even make you feel better to write things like that? You know what a lie it is. Who do you think you're kidding anyway? By the way, you're not good at trying to be cute either. It just puts a spotlight on how guilty you are.

Jim Forsythe

For some reason, you are trying to make the American NFL protest , international .
The protest is not dictated, by some want to be superman, who is not even a fan of The NFL!
You must have long-term exposure to Bizarro-Red Kryptonite, to compare yourself to Superman.

Carlos Ponce

So what is the reason for the protest? I though it was to protest police treatment of Blacks.
But they stood for the anthem of another country who not only introduced slavery to this country but has police killings of Blacks of their own.
Can you not see the hypocrisy???????
And the ideals of Truth, Justice and the American Way are what I was brought up with. Why the hate?

Mark Aaron

Carlos: [But they stood for the anthem of another country who not only introduced slavery to this country but has police killings of Blacks of their own.]

You've jumped the shark Carlos. Just drop it.

Emile Pope

Blacks?????

Carlos Ponce

"Black" that's what the British Newspapers call people of African descent living in Great Britain. You could not call them African - American now could you?

Jim Forsythe

According to the Office for National Statistics, at the 2001 census there were over a million black people in the United Kingdom; 1% of the total population described themselves as "Black Caribbean", 0.8% as "Black African

Mark Aaron

Carlos: [Why the hate?]

The only hate is coming from you, and Trump. Why don't you believe Black lives matter?

Craig Lindberg

Good old Predictable Mark "race card" Aaron. Why can't you be honest about anything? Sorry - I guess that's obvious.

Mark Aaron

Why don't you believe Black lives matter Craig

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