In response to the letter by Rose Broussard Murphy ("Taking a knee is a constitutional right," The Daily News, Nov. 11): You are correct, Mrs. Murphy, it is not against the law to “take a knee during the national anthem, neither is burning a flag against the law."

It’s ironic that your comments ran on Veteran’s Day. Thank goodness the military did not “take a knee” while facing the enemy, otherwise you probably would not have the freedom to "take a knee.”

If you were to “take a knee," or burn a flag in a combat zone — it would in all probability — be your last act of defiance. There a lot of things you can do that are not against the law, intentional passing flatus at the dinner table is not against the law, but it is an act that people of good conscience would not do.

Taking a knee during the national anthem, or burning the flag as an act of defiance, is not something people of good conscience do.

Kenneth Johnson

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Emile Pope

Really? First this was not in a combat situation. It was before the start of a football game. Second, comparing an act of protest against brutality to passing gas at the dinner table is beneath contempt. Finally, although I have never been in combat, I would think that I would have a better chance of surviving being on one knee than standing up on the battlefield with my hand on my heart...

Gary Miller

The first Amendment says the "government" can't tell you what to say. Or punish you for saying it. Your boss is in charge of your conduct while you are on the clock. First Amendment doesn't apply in the workplace.

Walter Manuel

Emile, Hobby airport and also Houston Intercontinental airports both have flights probably leaving out about every 20 minutes, so you are more than welcome to take a flight out to any other country that you so choose since the United States of America is so bad in your eyes.

I think you said it best yourself, " You never served in the military", so obviously the flag wouldn't mean anything to you unlike the men and women who fought and died for you to have that right.

I seriously doubt that you will find many countries tolerant of your apparent self serving and entitlement attitude. [yawn]

Emile Pope

You had an individual who for two years went from city to city, state to state complaining about the problems of this country. At no time did you or anyone else tell him to leave the country although they could have easily afforded it. In fact he had his own plane. Instead he was elected president. Yet when individuals complain about one problem in this nation your only response is to tell them to leave the country. This not only shows a poor understanding of democracy, the Constitution, and what it takes to be an American citizen.

Carlos Ponce

But Emile, he's making America GREAT again!

Mark Aaron

Walter: [ Emile, Hobby airport and also Houston Intercontinental airports both have flights probably leaving out about every 20 minutes, so you are more than welcome to take a flight out to any other country that you so choose since the United States of America is so bad in your eyes.]

So anyone who doesn't agree with you should leave the country Walter? Sounds more like you should be the one to leave if you don't believe in peaceful protests in America. I can't think of anything much more unAmerican than that, other than colluding with the Russians of course. How do you feel about colluding with the Russians, Walter. Do you support Trump's 'right' to do that?

Carlos Ponce

Liberals promised to leave the country if Donald Trump was elected. Looks like we cannot trust Liberals to keep their word.

Doyle Beard


as usual missed the point

Craig Lindberg

Mark: [So anyone who doesn't agree with you should leave the country Walter? Sounds more like you should be the one to leave if you don't believe in peaceful protests in America. I can't think of anything much more unAmerican than that, other than colluding with the Russians of course. How do you feel about colluding with the Russians, Walter. Do you support Trump's 'right' to do that?]

So anyone who doesn't agree with you should leave the country Mark? Walter is simply using his free speech to peacefully protest Emily’s writings. Sounds more like you should be the one to leave if you don't believe in free speech and peaceful protests in America. I can't think of anything much more unAmerican than that, other than colluding with the Russians of course. How do you feel about colluding with the Russians, Mark? Do you support Hillary’s 'right' to do that?

Mark Aaron

Craig: [ How do you feel about colluding with the Russians, Mark? Do you support Hillary’s 'right' to do that?]

Poor Craig, duped yet again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=60&v=RnsAZzsdI1U

Why are you supporting the Russians Craig?

Craig Lindberg

Poor Mark, too brainwashed to see that he is the perpetual dupe. Who said anything about Uranium One, Mark? 'm talking about Clinton and Democrat collusion in an attempt to influence the election. Real collusion - not the specious claims you make over and over but have yet to link to any credible evidence. Why don't you support your claims of collusion Mark? Why are you supporting the party that is actually colluding with the Russians Mark? Why do you support Democrat collusion with Russia to create false evidence used to fraudulently obtain wiretaps on US citizens Mark? Why are do you so often place ideology ahead of facts Mark?

https://nypost.com/2017/10/25/clintons-collusion-who-will-investigate-the-new-russia-scandal/
http://thefederalist.com/2017/10/25/top-10-things-to-know-about-dossier/#.WfEBIiMHSjc.twitter
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/aug/17/hillary-clinton-ukraine-collusion-story-in-fake-ne/

Mark Aaron

Craig: [ I'm talking about Clinton and Democrat collusion in an attempt to influence the election.
https://nypost.com
http://thefederalist.com/
https://www.washingtontimes.com]

Your sources are laughable. Murdoch's tabloid, the uber-right Federalist, and the Moonie Times.

Call back when you have some actual sources Craig. You know better than that.

Craig Lindberg

Mark: [Your sources are laughable. ]

Poor Mark, intellectually incapable of addressing the content, he pathetically, yet predictably, attacks the source. Get back with us when you can carry on an adult conversation.

Craig Lindberg

Classic Mark. Calls me a dupe and cites Fox News as proof. I respond with Fox News and he calls it Murdoch's tabloid. Would it be possible to be less intellectually dishonest than this clown?

Mark Aaron

Craig: [ Classic Mark. Calls me a dupe and cites Fox News as proof. I respond with Fox News and he calls it Murdoch's tabloid.]

Even your laughable partisan sources say you are being bamboozled Craig. That's usually a sure sign that you have been seriously played for a fool.

==> [Would it be possible to be less intellectually dishonest than this clown?]

You mean Trump? Maybe Trump's problem is organic. Have you considered that?

Gary Miller

Mark! Could you post a list of your sources so the rest of us could avoid them?

Mark Aaron

Gary: [ Mark! Could you post a list of your sources so the rest of us could avoid them?]

Are you afraid of facts? Don't be. They can be quite liberating.

Carlos Ponce

"They can be quite liberating."
Actually: They can be quite LIBERAL."

Mark Aaron

Regarding 'Facts:'

Mark: "They can be quite liberating."
Carlos: [Actually: They can be quite LIBERAL."]

Is that why you are so afraid of facts Carlos?

Carlos Ponce

I'm m not afraid of facts. Problem is, you don't provide many, just Liberal talking points which are opinion.

Walter Manuel

Another thing Emile, the popularity of football because of this "peaceful protest" is dropping by the day and some sponsors are now wanting out of this mess all together.

Football used to be a sport that could bring us all together even for just a little while allowing us to forget about the troubles of the world and enjoying even sitting next to our camaraderie supporting the opposing team and yet we managed to all get along.

If all of those whiners on the field who are grossly overpaid for doing what they like to do want to "peacefully protest", then let them head to the streets where people can pick and choose to attend the rally, rather than forcing their beliefs on others who paid for a ticket to simply watch a good football game.

The NFL players and it's team owners have certainly put a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths and hopefully they will feel the impact in their pocketbooks.

Yes, everyone has a right to a peaceful protest, but they need to do it on their own time, not while being paid to do their job.

It don't get any more simpler than that....[rolleyes]

Carol Dean

Being the wife of a 20 year Marine Corps Officer and the mother of an active duty ARMY Officer who is currently serving in South Korea for a year, I could not agree more with Carlos!

Emile, it would be nice if you took the time to THANK the men and women who serve for your right to even be able to be a dissenter. Shame on you!

Jim Forsythe

I could not agree more with Carlos! ?

Carol Dean

OOps! I meant Walter!

Emile Pope

Trying to take a protest against police brutality and make it into an attack on the military to sideline the real reason behind the protests is reprehensible.

Carol Dean

You just don't get it and you never will. Have a "happy life" in your little world.

Craig Lindberg

Says he is protesting brutality and mistreatment of minorities at the hands of the police. Wears shirt glorifying Fidel Castro. Enough said.

Mark Aaron

Craig: [Says he is protesting brutality and mistreatment of minorities at the hands of the police. Wears shirt glorifying Fidel Castro. Enough said. ]

"Enough said" only if you are very, very easily duped.

Craig Lindberg

Mark, so you support what Fidel Castro did to the Cuban people. Why do you support government oppression and brutality Mark?

Mark Aaron

Craig: [Mark, so you support what Fidel Castro did to the Cuban people.]

I never had a big problem with Castro. I never got the demagoguing directed his way. Batista was far worse. All in all Castro did a pretty good job for his people. He educated them and gave them all basic services, often primitive, but egalitarian. Universal healthcare and free education, the we have yet to accomplish. Castro didn't try to get rich, he cared, most Cubans love him.

==> [Why do you support government oppression and brutality Mark?]

Like what Craig? What are you referring to?

Gary Miller

Walter is correct. These whiniy million airs don't have any right to protest while being paid to be part of an entertainment production. If they think protesting is more important than their job they should show some class and resign.

Mark Aaron

Gary: [ If they think protesting is more important than their job they should show some class and resign.]

They show both poise and class with their non violent protest. Martin Luther King would be proud if he were alive to see it. The protests are for an important issue that desperately needs attention. Why is that not important to you?

Walter Manuel

Emile, you can continually put your spin on it however you like if that makes you feel better about their cause, as I said previously, if they want to protest they need to do it in the streets like everyone else and NOT on their jobs.

I seriously doubt that the NFL would allow any other protesters into the stadium such as those protesting immigration, global warming, killing of the innocent whales etc, etc , so why should the NFL players be allowed to protest before an event?

What's good for the goose.....

Jim Forsythe

Walter,"if they want to protest they need to do it in the streets like everyone else and NOT on their jobs" until just a few years ago , some players did no come out of the dressing room , until after the anthem was played. The NFL required them to be on the sidelines but did not require them to stand, which is the reason some kneel on the sideline.
If they kneeled outside the stadium, the game would be delayed. 

Do I stand for the anthem, yes, ,but where you and I differ, is a person right to protest on the sidelines. Some people are protesting the NFL by not buying their product, which is great, and no one should be forced to buy or watch.
The part about players not standing for their protest is were we are different. Some people think that it is un American  which is great, and they should continue thinking this.  If  this is your stance, I hope you continue your protest. against the NFL.
My take is different, because of a Uncle, that died in WW11.
My thinking is that he died, so people could have the right to protest. Not to limit protest. 

Everyone that protest, may lose money because they get part of the jerseys money and such. They are also aware that they could be suspended or let go. If you are going to protest ,you must be willing to receive the outcome from your actions.

Walter,  the terms of the collective bargaining agreement would have to be changed to require standing. They are not saying they are working on this but my guess, they are. You might remember when your dad and I were on strike in 1980, how long negotiation took.

Changes may happen in near future The meeting happened this week , and will continue in two weeks .
"The commissioner on Tuesday called the discussion with the players "very productive" and "important" and said it "reflected our commitment to work together on issues of social justice."
He commended the players for their "great character" and a "deep understanding" of the issues in their communities. He said their commitment is "admirable" and the owners want to help them.
Goodell said the players and owners will meet again sometime in the next two weeks, and the owners meetings will resume Wednesday with more discussion about the national anthem.
The commissioner on Tuesday called the discussion with the players "very productive" and "important" and said it "reflected our commitment to work together on issues of social justice."
He commended the players for their "character" and a "deep understanding" of the issues in their communities. He said their commitment is "admirable" and the owners want to help them.
Goodell said the players and owners will meet again sometime in the next two weeks, and the owners meetings will resume Wednesday with more discussion about the national anthem."
Indianapolis Colts defensive back Darius Butler said the most important thing was for the league and owners to hear the players' perspective.
"Obviously it's a different perspective," he said. "I think that's the most important thing when it comes to these issues, perspective and respect everyone's right regardless of how they feel. Whether it is peacefully protesting or speaking on these issues, I think it's important to respect everyone."

Mark Aaron

Walter: [as I said previously, if they want to protest they need to do it in the streets like everyone else and NOT on their jobs.]

Explain again why you have a problem with celebrities using their fame to bring attention to a serious inequality in our country Walter. Why does that get you so riled up?

Craig Lindberg

Mark: [Explain again why you have a problem with celebrities using their fame to bring attention to a serious inequality in our country Walter. Why does that get you so riled up?]

Explain why you think some voices should be louder than others just by virtue of their lot in life? Do you think the Supreme Court ruled properly in Citizens United? Should rich people be able to drown out other speech the way celebrities do? Why do you hate equality Mark?

Mark Aaron

Craig: [ Explain why you think some voices should be louder than others just by virtue of their lot in life?]

That is the nature of celebrity. What is it you think I could do about it?

Craig Lindberg

Of course and as always Predictable Mark ignores the real question asked - the question he can't answer without exposing his hypocrisy.

Mark Aaron

Craig: [ Explain why you think some voices should be louder than others just by virtue of their lot in life?]

Mark: "That is the nature of celebrity. What is it you think I could do about it?"

==> [Of course and as always Predictable Mark ignores the real question asked - the question he can't answer without exposing his hypocrisy.]

So you are saying that you don't believe celebrities should be able to market themselves Craig? I thought you genuflected at the alter of the 'Free Market?' Did that suddenly change?

Carol Dean

Li'l Mark, since you just like to argue for the sake of arguing...your comments don't even warrant a comment. Knowing you won't pay any attention to this...I just say, "Keep on talking". You are the one exposing your own ignorance.

Doyle Beard

So So true Carol.

Mark Aaron

Carol: [ Li'l Mark, since you just like to argue for the sake of arguing...your comments don't even warrant a comment. Knowing you won't pay any attention to this...I just say, "Keep on talking". You are the one exposing your own ignorance.]

In other words don't confuse you with facts your mind is made up. I'll try to remember that.

Craig Lindberg

Mark: [In other words don't confuse you with facts your mind is made up. I'll try to remember that.]

Remember it? You are the posterboy for not listening to facts when your mind is made up. Who do you think you are kidding with this nonsense you write?

Mark Aaron

Craig: [You are the posterboy for not listening to facts when your mind is made up.]

The reason I can refute your nonsense so often and so easily is because the facts and history are overwhelmingly on my side. Facts are my friends. Your party has devolved into a sad caricature that denies science and demands everyone adhere to the dictates of the supernatural.

Walter Manuel

Carol, your absolutely right about Mark and Emile, there's no room in this inn for them to occupy in my head.

Stupid is as stupid does and NO ONE unfortunately can fix that....

Carol Dean

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Mark Aaron

Walter: [Stupid is as stupid does and NO ONE unfortunately can fix that....]

All out of intelligent responses Walter?

Craig Lindberg

Intelligent responses? Like you basing responses on your uneducated belief that preamble to the Constitution is justiciable? Who are you to talk about intelligent responses.

Mark Aaron

Craig: [ Like you basing responses on your uneducated belief that preamble to the Constitution is justiciable? ]

So you are saying the Preamble to the Constitution should just be ignored Craig? Why is that?

Craig Lindberg

Predictable Mark and his strawmen. Show me where I said it should be ignored? Educating you that the preamble is not justiciable is not ignoring it. The real question is why do you come under a false flag of presenting fact when in reality you are tragically uninformed?

Mark Aaron

Craig: [ Predictable Mark and his strawmen. Show me where I said it should be ignored? Educating you that the preamble is not justiciable is not ignoring it.]

I never claimed that it was. You built that strawman and attacked it, remember? Are you saying you do not believe the Preamble should be an overarching guide in interpreting the US Constitution?

Walter Manuel

Kim, I understand your thoughts on the players "peaceful protest", but you glorify Goodell and his working with the teams and players, but that's exactly what's expected of him in order to earn his multi million dollar salary.

Outside of that football stadium, Goodell is nobody and unfortunately neither are any of those football players.

Jim, you cannot deny the fact that at the end of the day this "peaceful protest" is serving no better purpose to further racially divide America like the plaque and Kaepernicke is still unemployed.

Emile Pope

"plaque"??? America should brush more often...

Emile Pope

"you cannot deny the fact that at the end of the day this "peaceful protest" is serving no better purpose to further racially divide America"
Maybe you can tell us of the great era of race relations where the 101st Airborne (the unit that served on D-Day and the Battle of the Bulge) had to be used to protect students trying to attend high school. Or when six year old Ruby Bridges had to be escorted by federal marshals to attend kindergarten. But a quarterback is further racially dividing America??? Only in fantasyland.

Walter Manuel

Ooops! That should be "Jim" not "Kim", sorry about having fat fingers this morning![smile]

Walter Manuel

"America should brush more often..."

And some people need to start living in the present and not try to repeat history by living it. [yawn]

Jim Forsythe

I'm not glorifying Goodell , because he is doing what the owners want. What do you mean by they are nobodies. Do you mean they do not serve in their communities? Are you talking about all NFL players, or just the one's knelling?

 Peaceful protest have a history of not of not being popular. Would you prefer a non-peaceful protest?

"this "peaceful protest" is serving no better purpose to further racially divide America " Do you remember when the protest started , it was about the same time of the non-peaceful protest for the same reason, were going on. How many of those types of protest have we had this year? 
"The main reason Kaepernicke is still unemployed is his skill set". He would only fit about 4 or 5 teams systems. Houston has looked at him and RG3 , but who know if either will be coming to Houston. Just for the skills each have, RG3 is a much better player.
Kap, also lacks the skills need to be a good NFL QB. Most NFL talent evaluators do not think he has what it takes.
His contract would be to much to be a back up , and he's not better than the QB's that are starting for teams that runs a system he would fit. 

Carol Dean

Li'l Mark, don't insult The Federalist, I have a friend who is a major contributor. At least he gets paid for what he writes!

Mark Aaron

Carol: [ Li'l Mark, don't insult The Federalist, I have a friend who is a major contributor.]

That is not surprising.

Craig Lindberg

What's not surprising is your response, Predictable Mark.

Mark Aaron

Craig: [What's not surprising is your response, Predictable]

Are you saying you were thinking the same thing Craig?

Craig Lindberg

Mark doesn't have the intellectual chops to challenge what they write, so like a typical liberal, he just cowardly tries to marginalize them with a sophomoric insult. He has a very predictable MO.

Mark Aaron

Craig: [ Mark doesn't have the intellectual chops to challenge what they write, so like a typical liberal, he just cowardly tries to marginalize them with a sophomoric insult. He has a very predictable MO.]

Poor Craig, so desperate to pass off a lie that you try to palm off crap partisan sources.

Craig Lindberg

Like always, Predictable Mark makes a drive-by comment then runs off and hides under his desk. If something in that link is false, back up your claim Mr. "Facts."

Walter Manuel

Craig, it appears that Mark AKA "Mr. Facts" is a miserable troll who has nothing better to do than follow the forums and degrade others in an effort to keep his liberal, back woods mentality alive, just so that his support base can keep feeding into his nonsense.

It appears that Mark thrives on making others miserable because he's so miserable with himself and his own life outside of the forums.

I'll pray for Mark....[sleeping]

Mark Aaron

Walter: [ I'll pray for Mark....]

You know I am an Atheist, right?

Maybe you can pray that you will be less judgemental and more open to facts in the future Walter. Wouldn't Jesus approve of that?

Walter Manuel

Yes Mark, despite you being an "Atheist" my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ would have me pray for you despite us having such huge differences of opinion with your idea of "facts".

If I recall correctly, you recently had to ask Mr. Ponce how he is able to research his information so quickly online, so it appears that your still trying to settle into your "newbie" role of promoting facts, when in fact your obviously a little over your head.

Perhaps you might consider web design since your avitar demonstrates your ability to stuff such BS in any animate object.

May you and yours have a blessed Thanksgiving sir....

Mark Aaron

Walter: [Perhaps you might consider web design since your avitar demonstrates your ability to stuff such BS in any animate object.]

Ha! Good one.
==> [ May you and yours have a blessed Thanksgiving sir....]

You too bud.

Carol Dean

You know, Li'l Mark, you have just about run this discussion into the ground...BORING! Ta Ta!

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