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IF Obamacare is SO good why do the politicians who created it want to be exempt from it?Why do all the deep pockets and loud voices who supported it want waivers from it?
Did the people knowing the most about it figure out how bad it is.
While the stand is mostly just ceremonial wind blowing, I see no reason to just discount this out of hand. I'm not sure that putting them all into the exchanges would mirror what employees of large employers would encounter. However, if the Federal benefits package would be considered a "Cadillac plan", the same policies as non-govt employees face with regards to Cadillac plans should also be applied to them.
Just plain misguided ___. The politicians mentioned are doing neither me, you, nor the country a favor. Changes (and they are coming) can't come soon enough.
Looks like the Democrats found a way to re energize the Tea Party.The Tea Party fought a good fight but need more warriors.Expect changes in 2014.Democrats will be forced to conduct America's business acording to the Constitution or find other employment.
That's fine. But, so what.How do they plan to get anyone to even look at the proposal, when the Senate Majority Leader refuses to even bring anything about Obamacare to the floor to even be DISCUSSED, much less changed, and the President is busy saying one minute he stands ready to work with both Parties, but then 20 seconds later in the same speach says he's unwilling to negotiate? When you can look enough of the American People right in the camera eye and lie through your teeth, repeatedly, and they LOVE you for it, the opposition becomes largely, if not totally, meaningless.TOO LATE.Once again, the worst enemy of Republicans is...Republicans.You cannot reason with people getting things from a benefactor who promises them even more to come. THAT is now the model in this country. FAIR is just a word used in speaches, with no more meaning now than 'good'. The Takers now outnumber the Makers.THAT was the plan.It worked.The idiot Republicans COULD have to Cruse to shut up and sit down, and used their time to hammer their opponents about the unfairness of delaying this mess for some, but not all. About giving Big Business a break for a year, but not Joe Shmo.It will collapse on it's own in due time, anyway.AFTER the damage is irreversible.Ya'll blew it. Big time.
Read Ted Cruz's transcript. He did point out "the unfairness of delaying this mess for some, but not all, about giving Big Business a break for a year, but not Joe Shmo". I think he did a great job. Too bad some people just didn't or refused to listen.
Well said Gecroix and Carlosponce..You are obviously not what Rush calls an 'Uninformed voter."
Vote all of them out... start over with all new hires and let them know that we the people are the boss and we pay their wages. Also let them know future employment is dependent on their performance for the benefit of the people who hired them.
SCOTUS ruled Obamacare is a tax. Obamacare was written and passed by the Senate. The Senate has no authority to write or pass taxes. The House of Representives alone has the authority to write or pass taxes.
Law of the land?Obama exempted himself, his white house staff, Congress and congressional staff along with other of his big supporters from Obamacare.
Only the House can exempt anyone from a tax. Obama has no authority to exempt anyone from any tax.
His tax exemptions are illegal. He should be held accountable for his illegal tax exemptions.But he knows the Courts work so slow he will be out of office before it can be ruled on by SCOTUS.He's violating the Constitution again and getting away with it.Obama is a criminal President.
Response to carlosrponce posted at 3:53 pm on Tue, Oct 1, 2013:
Cruz was quite offensive. He slammed the Filipino veterans by comparing this ordeal to "this Bataan death march", and he offended European countries who were ambivalence/indecisiveness regarding the Nazi takeovers.
Too bad there's no "return policy" that Texas can utilize so that we can give Cruz back to Canada.
I think no matter what happens Obama needs to stand his ground until HELL freezes over if necessary! We have people trying to undo an election by hooking and crooking in the House Of Representives. -In war there are casualties,...and people get jacked up. If those individuals want to overtly put their careers on the line by trying to circumvent the will of the majority,...and the Supreme Court,...I say they have to be stopped,..and there is not but one way to do that. That way is for Obama and the Democrats to do what they are doing, and let the chips fall.-If these Political Terrorists are allowed to get away with this, laws won't mean a &*^ in the future,in this country! All you have to do is become a POLITICAL TERRORIST AND HIJACK THE GOVERNMENT,..like Al Qaeda did those airliners some ten years or so ago,...holding Americans hostage until killing them! These people are doing the very same thing to Americans, only economically! Harming their own people, over politics!!! What make them different than Assad besides the obvious? Bunch of overpaid kids,..ALL OF THEM!!! They can;t spell the words WORKING TOGETHER, OR BIPARTISANSHIP.-People talking about background checks on Obama,..SOMEBODY needs to do an extensive search on Cruz! We should not take anything for granted nowadays -I could be wrong but I think I heard, Obama say if they pass a regular budget, he would sit with them afterwards and talk about changes to healthcare. If they don't want to do that, then lets see how long this present situation can last. Lets all act the fool!!
I was a big Cruz fan before his 'filibuster'. As something doomed to fail before it even started, the only reason to carry on with it was for the personal future political benefit and self-agrandizement of Ted Cruz (Of course, that may have just been smart, because being totally self-absorbed has worked well for the President for nearly 5 years now...).My personal idea of good, effective leadership is not tilting at windmills. It's to do the most that can be done under whatever circumstances exist at the time to maximize the positive benefits of your course of action, while also making sure that the people you're leading, and also those depending on your doing a good job, are not unnecessarily adversely effected. Sometimes it can't be avoided, but it can almost always be minimized.There's a difference between fighting a battle that you may win but end up losing, and with engaging in sure defeat. King Pyrrhus is NOT the role model to follow into battle.Case in point:WHAT are all the news sources talking about MAINLY today? The 'government shutdown' ( a misnomer, only partly true, but it's called that anyway). Bad Republicans 'harming' the nation for their ideology. People not getting a paycheck because of right wing 'stubbornness'. Oone can only imagine the level of intelligence necessary to call repeated attempts to negotiate 'stubborn', while refusal to even try is lauded, but, I digress...If an unwinnable defunding battle had not been fought, we'd all be talking MAINLY about the ideological mess that Obamacare is. About a lousy, chaotic rollout after THREE YEARS to get ready for it, and the looming BIG increases in the premiums of the people working and paying for all this. And the dragging the economy further down effect of not getting a 40 hour work week now for so many people, and why any healthy young people, or anybody else, would be dumb enough to buy insurance for a few thousand a year when they can pay a 100 buck 'tax' instead. Etc.
President Obama was re-elected by a majority of those citizens voting.In fact, he was re-elected because so many who had voted for McCain would not vote for Romney, so didn't vote for President at all. If they had, we'd have President Romney, and not this discussion, as the President was re-elected by a lower margin than the first time.The ACA is NOT favorable as it stands to a majority of those citizens polled. That suggests quite clearly that Obama the man is more popular than Obama the care, as both stand now...When Abraham Lincoln was elected, slavery was the 'law of the land'. An election is not a new starting point that must ignore all that has gone before. What Congress enacts, it can retract. Or try to. The Constitution gives them that authority. Popular opinion, pro or con, is the brakes on the wheels of the process.
The Supreme Court ruled that the ACA, Obamacare, was not Constitutional under the Commerce Clause, as it was presented to us all by the Administration to be covered by, but 'survived as a tax', which it MOST CERTAINLY was claimed not to be by the Administration during the sales pitching. SO, using the Supreme Court's ruling that the ACA is a tax, it's actually then ILLEGAL, because the bill it came from originated in the Senate, which has no Constitutional authority to tax. Taxes must originate in the House. So again, eventually, the case will undoubtedly go before SCOTUS again, but that will be after the current players are gone.Right now, it is what it is, and must be dealt with in real time, not in theory land.Political terrorists?Really? The elected representatives of the people are terrorists?It's not against the law to try to repeal one.It IS against the law to not follow one.As such, where's the greater 'political terror'? Handing out exemptions and waivers and delays for selected groups and cronies in DIRECT VIOLATION of the law, or trying to get rid of the law for everyone? The President has NO Constitutional authority to run the ACA, or any law, like he chooses to do so. The Congress HAS the Constitutional authority to work to both enact and remove laws.About time for another think coming...
Well I thought all the fighting doing the elections, the debates, and the Supreme Court decision was what determined how the country would go forward! I see now that all that did not mean "Jack" to those in Congress who HIJACKED the government,..like Ted Cruz! -If leadership is getting shanghaied, and fleeced by people like Ted Cruz, I think I would balk at that too,...like Obama. I've heard Obama called many things, but I never heard him called stupid! Cruz needs to be put in his place, and this is a good way to do it! Will there be casualties? Certainly,..there always is in a war, and this is a political war! A house divided !!! -I'm beginning to feel like General George S. Patton. Patton, once said,..."War, how I love it so!" So,..I say, let get a winner here so the rest of us can move forward! I feel like these foolish individuals are handing the 2016 elections to the Democrats, because what is happening here, will be remembered as a Republican move,...headed by Mr. Ted Cruz!-
JB, what do you call Obama unilaterally delaying the employer mandate without Congressional approval, unilaterally giving Congress and their staff a subsidy for 72% of their health insurance premiums under obamacare, and relaxing-no, forgetting about-ensuring that proper safequards are in place to protect everyone's personal information?
Ted Cruz is standing up to those on both sides who have forgotten who they were elected to serve. I'm sorry you feel he's responsible for the government shutdown but the reality is that it's Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and a president who didn't allow Republican input into obamacare and now wants to hold everyone hostage to his demands. The fact that obamacare is law doesn't mean that our elected representatives have any reason to roll over and allow this abominable legislative act to go unchecked. Ted Cruz is one voice and one vote. If he is rousing the public and gaining their support then so be it. That's what made this country great and it's what it will take to make this country great again.
As for the 2016 elections, the Republicans had better be more concerned about not being re-elected because they failed to stand up to the tyranny of obamacare. Cornyn, McConnell, McCain and the rest of their ilk.
I think for most people, there isn't much credible coming out of DC at all. Even if Cruz is as credible as you say he is, he's judged by the sum total of the company he keeps, and the other 534 aren't exactly the best crowd to run with. My perception is that there aren't many in DC that can think without putting a wet finger in the air and seeing which side the political winds dries first.
It seems to me that Cruz, Paul, and Lee are a handful are don't care which way the wind is blowing-they have principled stands and are standing on those principles despite the criticism they're receiving from the left and the right.
You are exactly right in that the determination was made as to how the country would go forward.Going forward doesn't mean you have to stay on the same path, or even that you have to keep carrying the same load(s).God gave Man a mind with Free Will. With the intent that it be exercised.What He did not give Man, was one mind. The same one for all. This country is better for NOT having tried to defend static positions, but for endlessly seeking something different.Barrack Obama was not prohibited from pushing for a national health care system just because such was defeated back when the Clinton's tried it.The CRA was not abandoned as hopeless by the Republican Party just because Southern Democrats had fought for years against equality for all.Personally, I, too, think the Republicans just lost a few House seats, and likely will not get the Senate over this ill conceived way of doing their business. Not because they are wrong about the ACA, but because the perception is that they are solely responsible for the 'shutdown'. In politics, perception always trumps truth.The Presidency?Based on what we have to run against her right now, and the mindset of an electorate increasingly disposed to take rather than contribute, Hillary is already the odds on favorite. This latest dust up doesn't effect that.So far................And, lest we forget, after the last 'shutdown' in 1996 (following some 15 or so in the three decades before), the economy was not only not damaged as predicted, it thrived and grew big time. If it does this time, all that will be remembered is the 'shutdown' caused an economic boost after 5 years of stagnation under Administration policies. And, also remembered is who caused the 'shutdown'...IF, though, is a very big word...More likely, is a spanking is a-comin' on...Jbgood, when we discuss a house divided, lets be fair as we can and include ALL of the dividers. The Congress is a co-equal branch of government with the Executive branch, not lackies or servants of it. Ted Cruz isn't the only one giving speaches calling the opposite side everything but anything good. If someone demands civility, he must, himself, be civil to get it...Giving endless speaches where you profess your willingness to work with everybody to solve problems, but in the same speaches say you will not negotiate, is both stupid and dishonest, no matter who does it.
This is not the first time that one congress passed a piece of legislation that another congress didn't like. However, if you're faced with something you don't like, just as those of us in the real world do everyday, if you can't change it or get rid of it, you have to make the best of it. If Obamacare is the worst pile of dung there's ever been, I fully expect our congress to be the best dung shovelers money can buy. If it fails, I'd rather see it fail because we gave it our best shot rather than because we failed to try. At least then, we'd have some reason to be optimistic that a better plan would have a chance to succeed.
What we have right now is well more than 400--probably more than 500--elected people in DC that have been failing to try for years. It's just about impossible to recall the last time that our congress has really succeeded at anything significant and meaningful. Unless, of course, you consider making the Kardashians and all those Real Housewives shows appear "intellectual" in contrast an accomplishment. I think that hearing Cruz read "Green Eggs and Ham" was the most intellectual thing we've heard come out of our legislature in years.
Bvresident,I guess you and I will have to agree to disagree as to who is holding who hostage over all this, and who forced a government shutdown. One thing for sure there are those who are getting hurt over this issue,...and we will have to see how it shakes out.
People get hurt every day when government intrudes on our lives JB. Have you seen all the jobs that are going from full-time to part-time because of obamacare? Is that inconsequential in the partisan effort to socialize 1/6 of our economy? I think Cruz and Paul and Lee seem to be the only ones who do understand the damage this law is doing and will do to our economy and to the people of this country.
Not mentioned at all so far is that the ONLY reason we're having this back-and-forth and that there's even the opportunity for a 'shutdown' of government over disagreements on the content of a spending continuing resolution is that THE SENATE HAS NOT PASSED A BUDGET, AS REQUIRED BY LAW, SINCE 2009.No budget, no appropriations = continuing resolutions.The U.S. Senate refuses to do what the Constitution mandates and pass a budget.They do this because with no budget, they can work in concert with others to spend whatever theyall decide to spend.Yet, where's the blame for Senate Democrats, or the President who's bidding they are doing, for ACTUALLY causing this 'shutdown' by virtue of failing to do their job in the first place?Why, it's safely hidden by a colluding media, and largely ignored by a citizenry utterly ignorant of their own government's workings, and/or uncariung, as long as the 'free stuff' rolls in.And, there it is...The Republicans should eventually learn this, but they are the BEST there is at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
This is obama's and the democrats strategy-cause as much pain as possible and blame it on the Republicans. It's representative of the depravity that grips the left.
Luckily, some Republican representatives care more about our veterans than they did about partisan politics and took care of this. We have hateful, spiteful, divisive president who is supported without dissent by the democrat party. Our country will never heal as long as this Chicago community-organizer is in the White House.
Of course it is.They couldn't be happier that there's a shutdown. It's ALL about 2014.How can anyone claim to be working to help the folks when a) they are doing no work, and b) badmouthing the ones who are working. Fortunately for them, they have enough utterly ignorant and/or complicit followers to make it work.JUST NOW, there's news that POTUS has called the top leaders of the Senate and House to a meeting, BUT SAYS HE WILL NOT NEGOTIATE ON THE SHUTDOWN.The King has spoken. His subjects rush to plant a wet one on the offered cheek.Southern region...[sad]
This shows what obama and the democrats are all about. It's freaking unbelievable to have these veterans threatened with arrest for visiting this memorial to their valor. Anyone who says obama is a president for the people is out of their mind. All he and the democrats care about is partisan politics, anger, divisiveness, hate, and bringing as much pain as possible in order to force the GOP and Tea Party to cave in.
“If we get in a habit where a few folks, an extremist wing of one party – whether it’s Democrat or Republican -- are allowed to extort concessions based on a threat of undermining the full, faith and credit of the United States, then any president who comes after me… will find themselves unable to govern effectively.
The Antideficiency Act, passed by Congress in 1870 (and amended several times), which prohibits the government from incurring any monetary obligation for which the Congress has not appropriated funds is the reason the workers are scared to do anything including answering cell phone or opening gates to national parks(memorial to their valor) and such. If they want to fund this vote on it.
Jim, we have an Administration right now that, borrowing some hands from kevjlang, says on the one hand that the other side cannot pick and choose just what they want, but on the other hand they do that exact same thing themselves.I don't think you need to go back to 1870 to find any reasons for illogical behavior.[beam]Undermining the full faith and credit of the U.S.?The President, TODAY, went on CSNBC and SAID that the markets should be taking a bigger hit than they have so far!! How's that for playing with poison pills?So much for the credit. Here's hoping I have a 101K after tomorrow...At about the same time his DNI, James Clapper, was telling a Senate Judiciary Committee that the shutdown means enough intellignece gathering has been affected that he can't guarantee that there won't be a terrorist attack!!So much for the faith. I'm locked and loaded...Textbook examples of irresponsible talk from people who are responsible for us all.If only it were just these two doofusses....
The Antideficiency Act was my response to why things can not be open without funding.
I know, Jim.I was just roundabouting, poorly, that the Administration has shown no reluctance to decide to break or modify whatever laws they decide to do so for their own benefit. "Cannot do' is of no meaning to them except when they can harm somebody else by not doing. They certainly do whatever they want to benefit themselves.There's no reason that they couldn't do the same thing for octogenarian vets, any one of whom is worth more than all of the people screwing with them..It's all about 'making it hurt' unnecessarily for political gamesmanship ahead of 2014, exactly like the sequester was done, despite it being THEIR idea to sequester.If someone can go on a half dozen luxury vacations a year, including a 100 million buck one, he can dam_ sure open the White House to visitors. If 'exceptions' can be made to a law to let thousands avoid the ACA's effects or get higher subsidies, then old men and women can make what for many will be a last trip to a place of honor in remembrance of them.The sorry members of Congress and that sorry, smirking little weasel Jay Carney, and his boss, should be piggy-backing them if they need a lift.[wink]
I think there's a reason why there's no picture next to "hypocrite" in the dictionary. How do you choose which, of 535 faces, to place there? I imagine there is one that depicts it better than the rest, but we'd have to do a lot of contentious hair splitting. Therefore, no picture. Not sure what Roget's says, but, in my opinion the best synonym for hypocrite is politician.
By the way, I have more hands you can borrow. Just don't ask for any brain cells to go with them :-)
Affordable Health Care Act save my life. It is a great law and I can not understand why the GOP does not like it. It cost the state zero and provides health care to those that can not afford it. While I do cover my own cost, I was told after a heart attack by my insurer that if it were not for the Affordable Health Care Act they would have paid my claim, canceled my policy and I would not been able to find insurance anywhere at any cost. So before you get all bent out of shape find out what the Affordable Care Act is and you will change your tune. Do not rely on the GOP to tell you what it is if you do then you are the fool.
Two folks I know (one a worker at a theatre) and another (a school official) say that all their group employee benefit plans will very likely have a 20 percent membership reduction by the next "open enrollment" time...with NO difference than before in which doctors/health care offices to visit.
Most regular working folks are welcoming the ACA. Only the paranoid "we're getting more socialist" fringe are whining. I wonder what worrisome fear and angst people came up with when social security first came along.
Gecroix, IHOG, or bvresident - tell us where you were and what you did when social security was passed in the 30s. LMAO
To clarify: Many folks will see a 20 percent REDUCTION RATE of their rates, with the next "open enrollment".
Response to gecroix posted at 8:19 pm on Tue, Oct 1, 2013:
Sometimes it's good to "review" some posts to catch things first not noticed. So, geocroix - to compare ACA to slavery.
Really?? Slavery physically puts bondage on humans, subjects them to working long days/months in fields - harvesting crops. I forsee your argument places a nationalized health care plan (ACA) as a type of "slavery" - where people are mentally placed in bondage, with little choice in their health care...too much cost, and so on. Dependence on the government, blah blah.
Don't you realize that comparison is really "out there"? A national health care plan has nothing to do with 1800's slavery.
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