In reference to the letter by Gary Miller ("Voter fraud is rampant among Democrats," The Daily News, Feb. 10), in which he makes claims of voter fraud in California local elections, voter fraud by "snow birds," massive voter fraud in the Bush/Gore election, and allegations that the Democrats' desire to prohibit voter photo ID is because it would eliminate fraudulent voters, I humbly request The Daily News Editorial Board to start requiring documented facts rather than inflammatory statements of Miller and his ilk.

A little research would go a long way, but it seems easier for people like Miller to make blatant, baseless allegations on at least a monthly basis that appear to be nothing but blarney.

The Brennen Center for Justice at the New York University School of Law published an in depth, well-researched and well-documented article on Jan. 31 entitled "Debunking the Voter Fraud Myth," which people such as Miller would find most enlightening if they chose to educate themselves. 

To continue to publish inflammatory letters full of baseless allegations is to do a disservice to your readers in today's political climate.

Susan Baker

Galveston

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Jim Forsythe

"Ms. Ortega, a native of Monterrey, Mexico, came to Texas with her mother when she was an infant. More than a decade later, the family was scattered after the mother was arrested and deported. Two brothers born in Dallas automatically gained citizenship; Ms. Ortega became a permanent resident and gained a green card, her brother Tony Ortega, 35, said in an interview."
"As a Dallas County resident, she registered to vote and later cast ballots in elections in 2012 and 2014, her lawyer, Mr. Birdsall, said. While that was illegal, there was no attempt to break the law, he maintained: Some government forms allow applicants to declare that they are permanent residents, but the voting registration form asks only whether an applicant is a citizen.
Lacking the permanent resident option, he said, she ticked the “citizen” box. When the county later mailed her a registration card, he said, she believed she “was good to go.”
"Ms. Ortega’s conviction looks to be an early volley in a reinvigorated partisan war over voting rights — a war led in Texas by Mr. Paxton, who has crusaded against voter fraud. .
She voted for Mitt Romney over Barack Obama in the 2012 election. In 2014 she voted for our current attorney general, Ken Paxton,”
"On Thursday, a Fort Worth judge sentenced her to eight years in prison — and almost certainly, deportation later — after she voted illegally in elections in 2012 and 2014"

Carlos Ponce

"She voted for Mitt Romney over Barack Obama in the 2012 election." Were you looking over her shoulder when she voted Jim? I know this is what her lawyers ALLEGE but you and I know this claim is NOT verifiable.

Jim Forsythe

There is, however, at least one flaw in that story: Ms. Ortega was a registered Republican.
“She voted for Mitt Romney over Barack Obama in the 2012 election. In 2014 she voted for our current attorney general, Ken Paxton,” Mr. Birdsall said. “And guess what? He’s the one responsible for prosecuting her.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/10/us/illegal-voting-gets-texas-woman-8-years-in-prison-and-certain-deportation.html?_r=0&module=ArrowsNav&contentCollection=U.S.&action=keypress&region=FixedLeft&pgtype=article 

This goes to the heart of the problem.. Since you do not think she voted for a republican , then one can not  prove  whom any illegal voters in the USA voted for?  Prof of wide spread voters fraud has not surfaced.

Carlos Ponce

"Ms. Ortega was a registered Republican." Really, Jim? You know as well as I there is no party registration in the state of Texas. Any registered voter can vote in any primary which only limits your choices in case of run-offs. Now I can expect an out of stater not to know there is no party registration in Texas. Aren't you a Texan?

Carlos Ponce

Your "source", the Brennan Law Center, is known for its biased, Left leaning results. Not a trustworthy source funded by GEORGE SOROS.
From Bloomberg, "That's the finding of a study released today by the left-leaning
Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law," on a separate topic. Brennan Law Center - not known for their objectivity but its Left leaning conclusions.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-01-14/the-effect-of-citizens-united-supreme-court-ruling-on-campaign-finance
"Report Exposes Brennan Center for Justice's Biased Reporting and Liberal Funding"
http://www.nationalcenter.org/PR-Brennan_Center_072612.html
"The report also pointed out that the Center received millions of dollars -- over $7 million between 2000 and 2010 -- from George Soros, a left-leaning philanthropist and political activist, and his Open Society Foundations."
https://ballotpedia.org/Brennan_Center_for_Justice
In their report, the National Center cited a 2006 report by the Brennan Center as an example of biased information:
“ For example, in November 2006, the Brennan Center published a widely cited report, 'Citizens Without Proof,' in which it claimed that 21 million adult Americans lack a photo ID, including 25 percent of black Americans. Election scholars with the Heritage Foundation evaluated the report and concluded that '[b]y eschewing many of the traditional scientific methods of data collection and analysis, the authors of the Brennan Center study appear to have pursued results that advance a particular political agenda rather than the truth about voter identification.'
"....it’s from a Brennan Center report. And she fails to disclose the radical, left-wing nature of the Brennan Center...."
http://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/commentary/getting-it-wrong-voter-id
"Ezra Klein Describes Soros-Funded Brennan Center as 'Non Partisan'"
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/jack-coleman/2012/06/15/ezra-klein-describes-soros-funded-brennan-center-non-partisan
"Named for a Supreme Court Justice whose jurisprudence undermined the Constitution, the Brennan Center at New York University is best known for its attacks on efforts to stop voter fraud. The underlying principle in the work of the center and its judicial namesake is simple: the rule of law should not be allowed to interfere with the liberal agenda."
https://capitalresearch.org/article/dismantling-self-government-the-brennan-centers-election-fraud-offensive/
Susan, your source is full of "blarney". Why are you afraid of an investigation? If it proves fruitless you can gloat and hold this over Donald Trump for the rest of the investigation.

Andy Brown

Carlos, have there not already been voter fraud investigations? I couldn't find any proof of millions of illegal votes as the President has claimed. Sure there are a handful of cases of voter fraud throughout the country but nothing that would be considered "massive" by anyone.

On the below link from US News:
A 2014 study by the nonpartisan Government Accountability Office, which included a literature review, noted that the studies consistently found "few instances of in-person voter fraud." When Texas was considering its strict photo ID law, the law enforcement official designated to investigating electoral fraud testified to only one conviction and one guilty plea that involved in-person voter fraud in all Texas elections from 2002 through 2014.
http://www.gao.gov/assets/670/665966.pdf

Now I'm no research expert by any means but Google and I get along alright. I mean, Google isn't a liberal search engine is it?

Carlos Ponce

Nonpartisan? Get real!

Andy Brown

The horse is dead. Stop beating it.

Carlos Ponce

"The horse is dead. " I hear neigh, neigh neigh, or is it NAY, NAY, NAY![wink]

Doyle Beard

look at Hilary Clinton on Google during the election campaign then tell me they are not liberal

Carlos Ponce

"The Soros-funded Brennan Center for Justice released a report opposed to new laws needed to combat voter fraud. This story was in turn promoted by Soros-funded progressive news sites that brought it to the national stage."
http://www.mrc.org/articles/soros-backed-voting-study-promoted-soros-funded-media

David Smith

This section of the paper is called letters to the editor.. It contains peoples OPINIONS.. just like yours

Don Schlessinger

1st Amendment, reserved for Progressives.

Doyle Beard

Susan Baker must not have ever herd of fake news. Her last paragaph kinda tells you what a liberal is . Hypocrite.

Steve Fouga

Why do conservatives always think voting fraud favors the Democrat? Why do liberals always think voting fraud favors the Republican? Neither is giving nearly enough credit to the deviousness of their own side. And neither is giving enough credit to the law of large numbers. Things like voting fraud tend to even out, especially in presidential elections. I wouldn't mind an investigation into voting fraud, other than the likelihood it would be expensive. But a better use of the time and money would be registering every eligible citizen to vote, and making sure they actually vote.

Curtiss Brown

"Why do liberals always think voting fraud favors the Republican?" Just from watching the world go around, Steve, I think it would be better stated: "Why do liberals always think voting fraud does not exist." -- And the answer to that question is "Because it doesn't."

Carlos Ponce

"Why do conservatives always think voting fraud favors the Democrat?"
We don't but the Democratic Party has a long history of voter fraud in the State of Texas. I don't think voter fraud is limited to one party but you'll find far more fraud from the party represented by the donkey. A TRUE Conservative believes in the "Rule of Law. Voting fraudulently goes contrary to those beliefs.

Mike Zeller

Carlos, Don, Doyle, show us some evidence of wide spread voter fraud. I want to hear where their was actual massive votes cast, and an election is in question. All I see is evidence to the contrary. I'll stay tuned for YOUR evidence.

Carlos Ponce

That's what the investigation will show. STAY TUNED![beam]
And I ask AGAIN, "Why are Democrats so opposed to an investigation? if nothing shows up you can gloat and hang it on Donald Trump". Let the investigation begin!

Doyle Beard

no real evidence either way

Jim Forsythe

You are so right, small pockets of fraud, not the huge amount some claim. Below are examples of Republicans that did this, I'm sure someone can find Democrats doing wrong.
The Washington Post’s “Wonkblog” offers a summary of studies and investigations that have examined the issue of voter fraud. These studies have been conducted by academic researchers, news organizations, and state governments. They all produced similar results: The massive “in person” voter fraud that Republicans claim is helping Democrats steal elections simply does not exist.
Out of all of the research cited in the story, the investigations conducted by various states are the most interesting, because they were conducted by states that are currently controlled by Republicans. For example, the Kansas secretary of state took a look at 84 million votes cast in 22 states, trying to find duplicate registrations. The result? They referred 14 cases to prosecutors. Fourteen. Out of 84 million votes.

Iowa’s Republican secretary of state Matt Schultz spent two years, and over a quarter of a million taxpayer dollars, to find 117 possibly fraudulent votes, leading to only six convictions. Of those who were convicted, three were felons who believed that their right to vote had been restored.
Even though voter fraud does not exist on the level that Republicans claim that it does, there are instances of possible voter fraud in almost every election. Here are a few examples:
Last year in Virginia, Adam Ward pleaded guilty to faking hundreds of signatures that were needed for Newt Gingrich to be eligible to appear on the state’s primary election ballot.
In 2012, Charlie White, Indiana’s Republican secretary of state was convicted of six felony counts of voter fraud.
Also in 2012, four staffers of Michigan Republican congressman Thaddeus McCotter were found guilty of forging over 1500 signatures in an attempt to qualify the congressman for the ballot.
Wisconsin Tea Partier and Scott Walker supporter Robert Monroe has been charged with casting multiple ballots in several elections.
Now we learn about the curious case of Robert Monroe, a 50-year-old health executive who is accused of voting a dozen times in 2011 and 2012, including seven times in the recalls of Scott Walker and his GOP ally Alberta Darling. Wisconsin officials say it’s the worst case of multiple voting in memory.
Oh, and, did I mention he’s a Republican

Willis Briggs

I don't know if there is voter fraud or not but what would it hurt for everyone to show ID proof before voting?
Seems the liberals are the ones making the noise about proper ID to vote.

George Croix

Should laws only matter if there are lots of violations of them?
Should they be abolished if anyone is inconvenienced or out a few bucks by following them?
In a deeply divided nation, which increasingly filters down to local levels, a single vote can matter, as voting these days is all about wanting to elect someone who's considered good for one person/group over another...less so about our country....
There's only one reason to oppose voter ID when the same opposition cannot cash a $5 check without an ID....imho....

Jim Forsythe

If I was going to vote illegal in Texas , I would do it by mail. Who is checking ID for mail in ballots?
To be eligible to vote early by mail in Texas, you must:
be 65 years or older;
be disabled;
be out of the county on election day and during the period for early voting by personal appearance; or
be confined in jail, but otherwise eligible.
Instructions for submitting an Application for Ballot by Mail (“ABBM”):
Print (PDF) the ABBM form OR submit an order online and an ABBM will be mailed to you.
Complete Sections 1 through 8.
Sign and Date Section 9.
If you were unable to sign the application and someone witnessed your signature, that person must complete Section 11.
If someone helped you complete the application or mailed the application for you, that person must complete Section 11.
Affix postage.

If you printed the application you must place it in your own envelope and add postage.
If you ordered the application online and it was mailed to you - fold the application in half, moisten top tab, seal and add postage.
Address and mail the completed ABBM to the Early Voting Clerk in your county. You may also fax the application if a fax machine is available in the early voting clerk’s office.  You also have the option of submitting a scanned copy of the completed and signed application to the Early Voting Clerk via email.

The Early Voting Clerk is the County Clerk or Elections Administrator for your county
Contact information, including fax numbers if available, and email addresses for the Early Voting Clerks are available on this website.

Carlos Ponce

"Who is checking ID for mail in ballots?" I spoke with election officials prior to the November 8th General Election. They have a procedure to assure mail-voter validity. To disclose them in a public forum would alert anyone wanting to vote fraudulently. They could devise ways to circumvent this procedure. Not smart.

Jim Forsythe

If its top secret ,why did they tell you?

Carlos Ponce

Not top secret, Jim. I'm certain they'd give that information to any TRUSTED member of the community. But in a PUBLIC forum, it would not be prudent.

Mike Zeller

That a good one Jim !!!![smile][beam][smile][beam]

Jim Forsythe

I hope they have it OKed by the state. These are  the same people I called the state legal department about.

Carlos Ponce

"I hope they have it OKed by the state." They are following state guidelines, Jim.

Mike Zeller

I'm still Laughing![smile]

Doyle Beard

Remember he who laughs last laughs longest

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