Every time someone references the Berlin Wall when talking about the wall along our southern border, I cringe. The Berlin Wall divided a country, wherein the wall along our border will be between two countries.

Will the liberals ever get over losing the election? If they really care about our country they would shut up and work with the winners instead of trying to block everything that is being done.

We had eight years of their way and I do not recall any conservative showing such ill manners or disrespect as the Democrats in Congress have shown.

I will continue to pray for our country and its leaders.

Netha S. Moore

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Doyle Beard

Netha people just dont get it. So many sore losers.

Carlos Ponce

There are some Liberals who haven't gotten over any Republican being elected president.

Randy Chapman

Some are even still blaming both Bush presidents!

George Croix

The one's who can't get over the election will never do so until they get over themselves.....
Not likely.....

lefty2000
Cary Semar

Netha, obstruction by the opposition did not begin with this administration. The problem is that the country has become so divided that there is virtually no common ground. The Republican party has become the instrument of vested interests and they have marshaled the forces of racial prejudice, religious intolerance, and fear to bolster their dwindling popular support. They cannot win free and fair elections, so they have turned to voter suppression, disenfranchisement, and demagoguery to hold on to power. The "take no prisoners" and "scorched earth" politics of today is merely a continuation of what happened in the previous Democratic administration. Once that genie has been let out of the bottle, it cannot be put back. If the Democrats do not fight back, the end of all this is going to be an American fascism just as Huey Long predicted many years ago. You should not fear loud and virulent opposition. That is the sound of a vigorous and healthy democracy. The time to be afraid is when the opposition falls silent, because then, it will be too late.

Raymond Lewis

Well said Mr. Semar.

Paula Flinn

I agree, Mr. Semar. Also, just because a protest turns violent does not mean everyone there approves of the violence. You cannot condemn the many for the actions of a few.

Carlos Ponce

Sorry Cary, your post varies from the facts.

Steve Fouga

"We had eight years of their way and I do not recall any conservative showing such ill manners or disrespect as the Democrats in Congress have shown."

Hahahaha! Then you weren't paying attention, either to Congress itself or to this forum! Disrespect and obstruction is exactly what the previous administration suffered. It was actual Republican policy, for crying out loud!

To answer your original question, my prediction is no, liberals will NEVER get over losing this election.

George Croix

True.
There WAS plenty of opposition to 'We won!" followed by the daily beat down of anyone not OK with 'sharing' by force or disagreeing with leading from behind...still, opposition it was, and plenty of disrespect for a President who started right out of the gate working for half the country and selling bait....imho....
What WAS missing were the destructive 'demonstrations'/riots...and outright efforts to silence ANYBODY disagreed with..... a.
Makes just a bit of a difference when'protest' means a peaceful if enthusiastically rowdy gathering, versus masked thugs and assorted cowards tearing things up and wearing their private parts on their heads.....
Well, anyway, it gores around and it comes around....just 'resist' right back at 'the resistors' seems to be the only bet, if not the best one....

Anyway, I believe Mr. Semar believes every word in what he wrote. The man's a passionate defender of liberal causes and ways.'
I know I'll never...ever...personally...understand why he does.........


Steve Fouga

No excuse for violent protest in a democracy.

Carlos Ponce

True. The violence of the anti-Trumps has made many a Democrats question the moral integrity of their own party. I've heard quite a few say, "That's not my party!"

Jim Forsythe

Is this a example of what you want people to just shut up about? It looks like that this may be part of Trump care part 2.

WASHINGTON ―" Imagine your employer wants you to submit to genetic testing as part of a “workplace wellness” program. The testing is completely voluntary, your employer says. If you’re concerned about your privacy, no one can force you to take part.
There’s just one catch: Declining to provide genetic testing results will cost you thousands of dollars each year in higher health insurance premiums. In that case, how voluntary would the program feel?
Such a futuristic-seeming scenario may not be far off if a proposal moving through the GOP-controlled House becomes law. A Republican bill that made it out of committee last week would enable companies to withhold financial benefits from employees who don’t take part in genetic testing as part of a workplace wellness program."

George Croix

Jim, after TWO YEARS of monolithic work on Obamacare, it was finally 'deemed' to have been passed, and we were told it had to be passed first, so we could find out what's in it.....!...Two years of the first Obama Admin.....
Maybe we could let this first stab that still has to be approved then routed through committees then get through the senate then be reconciled then, maybe, passed, move along as it will.
Question for the CBO:
How many of those 'losing coverage' will do so because they WANT to?
Is it so that some 20 million people say they didn't want Obamacare, and thus are likely to drop it?
Maybe....that would certainly cut a notch out of all the hysteria.......
Remember, this CBO report is no different than the one put out in 2010....they use only the data fed them....they conduct no surveys and to them a person 'not covered' means the exact same thing whether that's willingly or not.....
Obamacare did exactly what it was designed to do...imploded, got so expensive that the people affording it did so because somebody else subsidized them, and the insurance companies and doctors are abandoning it in numbers so high it cannot survive.
The angst and hand wringing is because the folks who believe in single payer got sooooo close....but no cigar.....
yet...
Maybe....

Carlos Ponce

Jim's report came from the Huffingtonpost.com written by Dave Jamieson
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/republican-health-bill-could-end-up-pressuring-employees-to-share-genetic-testing-results_us_58c731c5e4b0428c7f12a5e3?ir=Politics&utm_hp_ref=politics
Nothing but pure Leftist unsubstantiated fear mongering. I suggest you look up the GINA (Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act) which won unanimous consent in the Senate and fell one vote short of unanimity in the House.

Jim Forsythe

George ,are you ok with  genetic testing bring part of a employiess wellness program?

"Say your employer wants you to get a genetic test. You politely decline because you consider it a gross infringement of privacy. Well, too bad—your monthly health insurance payments just spiked 30%.
This could be the reality under HR 1313, the Preserving Employee Wellness Programs Act, a House GOP-sponsored bill that would essentially allow companies with workplace wellness programs to demand your genetic information (or force you to pay a big penalty)."

Government in the middle of medical care is never has a good outcome. When big money puts out , they want  results
Arm twisting has started , and the outcome from this ,may not be good.
One example.
March 7, 2017
"As the bill stands today, it is Obamacare 2.0," the leaders of Freedom Partners Chamber of Commerce, the main funding arm of the Koch network, said in a letter to House. At that time I see the e Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis., and other key committee chairmen. "We cannot support it."

Can they get the needed 60 votes in the Senate, if not ,then the finical part will not  pass. I Believe, if I remember right, that to pass Obama care , they use what some called the Nebraska compromise   .
If they want Trump care to pass, compromise will be required.


Paula Flinn

I am not ok with it. They already have our fingerprints. Sounds like Nazi tactics to me.

George Croix

Jim, what happened when, actually if, we refused to participate in the refinery's wellness program to earn that 1000 points each year.....insurance went up and/or couldn't participate....
Yeah, it was pretty much a sham as far as actual wellness, but the golden rule applied: they had the gold, so they made the rules....
No, I wouldn't like to be forced to do genetic testing, but, whether anybody likes it or not, when you work for somebody else, you follow their rules, or you go elsewhere.
Nobody is forced to work at any job legally, although as a poractical matter, in this wonderful 'fundamentally changed economy', it's eaiser said than done to walk away.
Some of us actually pay our own bills.
But, in contrast, I really liked mandatory drug testing, as I had nothing to hide, and sure did not want to make it easy for some dope head to be operating a process unit, or maintaining it....
Guess it's a personal like-dislike thing....
I kinda think Harry Reed had a little something to say about that 60 Senate votes required thingy....that McConnell has not done likewise yet is no guarantee that he won't, now that the precedent is set....thanks, Harry......

But, Jim, really...this:
"Government in the middle of medical care is never has a good outcome."
I think that's exactly right, but I thought you were an ACA advocate....
Maybe not.....

George Croix

I forgot to add, if you are in a group where some of them start committing crimes, and you don't turn them in, or act like a bunch of hysterical idiots and you stay with them, then you have just approved of their actions by omission....imho....
But, that's just me......
I may not know the guy next to me is gonna put on a mask and throw bricks at windows, but once he does, shame on me if I just walk away...or, worse, stay and watch.....

George Croix

pss:
A bullhorn in my ear, glass breaking from windows being broken, fuel lines and tires popping from cars being set afire, and a bunch of 'free speech advocates' showing they have zero manners and clues by not letting a speaker..speak...is NOT a sign of a vigorous and healthy democracy...it's the sign of a bunch of cowards and headcases falling off the rails....
imho....

Steve Fouga

Thank goodness that isn't what most of the protests are like... [innocent]

Jim Forsythe

George , why were you at this ?

Jim Forsythe

"but I thought you were an ACA advocate" Just because you may be in favor of something , does not mean you like all parts. Anything can be made better.

The first thing would be personal safety. Then reporting would be next. If your question is about protesting, then as long as it peaceful , its a protest, but once valance is injected, it become something else. Protest are  to make people think about, what has made these people concerned enough to want to take the time, to demonstrate their convictions for a cause. As far as the dressing up , it still has you thinking ,and talking about it. So they accomplished their goal, with just a few costumes'  
.If you want, I can give you a link to join "Code Pink", they may still may be giving a free hat, with membership.

The "nuclear" option is not what most want to use , as it is the option of last resort. It can have lasting negative impact on a Senators  standing ,with the public. Even if they use this option , can they get the 50 votes required?  Nobody has addressed, that Trump may not like it, and he may veto it..

The history of the "nuclear" option, though not the name, has been traced to an opinion written by then-Vice President Richard Nixon in 1957, while he held the title President of the Senate. Nixon's opinion stated that the Constitution grants the presiding officer of the Senate the authority to override Senate rules by making a ruling that is then upheld by a majority vote.Senator Trent Lott (R-Miss.) first used the term "nuclear option" for this maneuver in March 2003

"The nuclear option is not to be confused with reconciliation, which allows issues related to the annual budget to be decided by a majority vote without the possibility of filibuster"


Jim Forsythe

Some do end with rock throwing , and such . Some people come from outside a movement, and give the wrong impression to the public as why the group is protesting . But sometimes, peace leads the way.  
Demonstrations by  woman are not new.
When the first women-led march on Washington happened in 1913, a few thousand suffragists paraded from the US Capitol to the Treasury Department the day before Woodrow Wilson’s inauguration. While the demonstration proved to be a successful strategic move in elevating the suffrage movement from a state-by-J
Just this year.
Early projections show that over 2.5 million people participated in the Women's Marches around the globe

 How many of  Dr. Kings, boycott's, movement's, march's ,do most people remember? Was it the valance or the message we remember?
Montgomery bus boycott, 1955-56    The Albany movement, 1961   The Birmingham campaign, 1963 
March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom, 1963 Bloody Sunday, 1965  When film footage of the police brutality was broadcast around the country, it sparked widespread public outrage and helped to boost support for the civil rights movement 
Chicago, 1966   At one point, a brick hit King in the head, but he continued the march as onlookers hurled rocks, bottles, and firecrackers at the marchers. Thirty people, including King, were injured 
Vietnam War opposition, 1967  In January 1968, the day after President Johnson’s State of the Union address, King called for a march on Washington to protest what he called “one of history’s most cruel and senseless wars.”
'Poor people’s campaign,' 1968  Organized by Dr. King and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference in 1968, the so-called "poor people’s campaign" sought to address issues of economic justice and housing for the poor.


George Croix

I too old and running out of time, so I'm going to put a lot more stock in what O'reilly's Talking Points were all about last night......

Steve Fouga

Most on this forum won't need to ask, but I'll take the bait: What were his main points last night?
[unsure]

Jim Forsythe

Bill O'Reilly's was about
"There are way too many irrational people."
He had a clip of JASON POLLOCK.
After showing the clip , he said you will never see him on the show. If he does not want him to have press, why show the clip. Could it be for ratings He could have just said this, which he did say , without the clip.
"So you will not see Jason Pollock on The Factor after he failed to treat Martha with respect."

How many of the out of control events happen each year? How many peaceful events happen each year?
If the crowed would get no press, a lot of the bad things would go away .It is just a small percent that do the illegal things. But people that do the right thing, would make a dull news cast.

Carlos Ponce

Don't you agree, Jim that Pollock was out of control, ranting and raving?
As O'Reilly said:'You get nowhere when you present facts. They are rejected, so why bother? Above all, I don't want to waste your time. So why debate him? Facts don't matter to him and you can't even get a sentence out.
And the worst part is, you're a racist if you don't see it the way he does.
It's the same thing with less volume with some politicians."
I'm surprised O'Reilly didn't call him a crazed loon.
And while you're at it why not quote others who say all Pollock wants to do is sell tickets to his documentary and ignore the facts that refute him?

Jim Forsythe

Why did O'Reilly have the clip on his show ? He knew  what was on it, and he still played it. Then said, Pollock will not ever be on his show. By playing it, he promoted Pollock, just by giving him air time.
When you are not for what some one stands for , why give them traction.

Carlos Ponce

"Why did O'Reilly have the clip on his show ? "
Jim, Really do you have to ask? Let me explain it S L O W L Y:
Jason Pollock exemplifies what is wrong with many Liberals. He is not interested in the FACTS. When told by Martha, "These are the facts...." his screamed reply was " I DON'T CARE." His message to him was far more important than the truth. What I gathered from his rant was, "I'm sticking to my story no matter what the facts show because what I have to say is too important." He sounds like some of the Liberals we have in these anti-Trump posts.

George Croix

Jim, the 'resisters' strike me as could use a good movement, or several, being a bit blocked up...imho....[whistling]

George Croix

Nutshelled, Steve, it was that a large percentage of the population will NOT, in the face of absolute fact(s), even of video of that very same person saying the very thing(s) they say they did not, own up to or even believe them...they will claim it ain't so....no matter what....
It's like having a hundred million or so 2 year olds running around.....
And, the affliction is all over the place, in all corners, although there does seem to be a more virulent strain of it 'resisting'....[whistling]

Steve Fouga

This is a popular topic. I've seen a couple of articles recently claiming that as a species we're wired to be hard to convince -- when a person's mind is made up, it's usually made up... period.

This seems illogical. How have we survived? [huh]

George Croix

I would note in my simple old East Texas way that if I saw myself in a video absolutely doing/saying what I am now claiming I absolutely did not do/say, I would not look anybody in the eye and say "I don't care what that shows, it never happened'.....
But, that's just me.....
I am permanently handicapped by a desire to put what's honest above what's expedient.....much to the detriment of what could have been a more profitable career....but, at least I only need one mirror at a time to shave with.....

[beam][wink][smile][whistling][innocent]

George Croix

Jim, if O'Reilly or you or I held up a picture of or showed a video of Pol Pot or Kim Jung Fatboy over in North Korea or name-a-nutcase we would not have to be promoting them, just showing the images as information or part of the conversation so that folks could get a good look at pure insanity.....
That's what Bill was doing with the filmmaker loon......imho.....
The GDN does not promote murder by putting a pix of a killer in the Police News.....

Jim Forsythe

"The GDN does not promote murder by putting a pix of a killer in the Police News....." but do they print the Ramblings of a person seeking to promote themselves.
Look what happen with Charles Manson. He has a cult following that is a lot larger than it would have been, because of the media.
.For me, any air time for some is to much.

North Korean leader Kim Jong- un may be a name that we get to know a lot better , real soon. "North Korea said the arrival of the U.S. strike group in the seas off the east of the Korean peninsula was part of a “reckless scheme” to attack it.
“If they infringe on the DPRK’s sovereignty and dignity even a bit, its army will launch merciless ultra-precision strikes from ground, air, sea and underwater,” the North’s state news agency KCNA said".
"Last week, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations said President Donald Trump’s administration was re-evaluating its North Korea strategy and “all options are on the table.”
We have also sent our special forces , including seal team six.
Is Kim Jong- un , a Badger or a opossum?


Carlos Ponce

Kim Jong-un is the Chairman of the Workers' Party of Korea (WPK) and leader of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK),aka North Korea. Leader of the Democratic People's Republic - that makes him a Democrat, right?[wink]

Jim Forsythe

Are you trying to say the Democrat's, are working with North  Korea? Is this from one of your fake news sites?

Carlos Ponce

A "wink" is an indication that a person is joking in an emoticon. "The winking emoticon is common used after a light-hearted or sarcastic remark." Notice the "wink" at the end of my post? If not, here are some more.[wink][wink][wink][wink][wink][wink][wink][wink][wink][wink][wink][wink][wink][wink][wink][wink][wink][wink][wink][wink][wink][wink][wink][wink][wink][wink][wink][wink][wink][wink][wink][wink][wink][wink]

Steve Fouga

Jim is the master of ignoring sarcasm and making the point he wants to make.[smile]

lefty2000
Cary Semar

It's not your fault, Carlos. The wink emoticon includes a smirk which can be confusing. After looking over the available emoticons, I don't see a suitable wink. You could try [smile] for joking or [innocent] for irony. Unfortunately, some problems do not have a good solution.

Carlos Ponce

I use [smile] meaning "smile" to show I am pleased with that remark.
I use [innocent] "innocent" meaning some may question my motives for posting it.
[wink] meaning "wink" conveys something said in jest.
These are the "traditional" uses of these emoticons. Of course you may get the wrong message and question as Jim did. That's why I offered an explanation.[whistling]

Steve Fouga

Oh, and ignoring jokes too... and making the point he wants to make.

Jim Forsythe

Steve, speaking of jokes, how many reply's did I get?

Jim Forsythe

Steve, nothing like a debate about what a little yellow circle means. Unfortunately, Galveston news has a limited number of Emoji's . If we had a larger pool  to pick from, they would have  a unlimited source for decision .The GDN ,probably will never  provide the number one Emoji for the USA, the purple eggplant emoji . It wasn’t until 2010 that the eggplant made its American debut, after the Unicode Consortium—the group that sets the standards for computer coding, added it. 
If  we ever need  the true meaning of a of a Emoji  ,we can go to official Unicode standards for the official meanings.
As Shigetaka Kurita might say, have a happy Emoji day.


George Croix

You may be right after all, Jim.
After thinking it over, I'd say ex-Pres. Obama's support for the vile BLM even to the point of inviting them to the WH probably DID have something to do with legitimizing support, by some, of trash calling for our Policemen to be killed. And they were. Sorta like all the effort(s) made to badmouth and indict our Police rather than focus on criminals just because of race ......
So, I guess that means Obama assisted BLM in doing that by virtue of direct support, which is a lot more potent than just showing a video of an idiot on TV, thereby giving him a venue to vent.....
Thanks.
I've seen the light now.....
[innocent]

Jim Forsythe

It sounds exactly like a classic Obama move to me. After all, a Kenyan born Muslim that planned becoming the US President having the cunning and foresight to have his birth recorded in Hawaii would stop at nothing.   

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George Croix

Jim, it was YOUR contention that giving someone a forum is actually helping them.
So, was it only applicable in one direction?
Looks like it, if the diversion toward the birther stuff is any indication.

Jim Forsythe

I need to curtail my commits, as I may have , Alternative Sarcasm Syndrome

Steve Fouga

[beam]

George Croix

Hey, no sweat...
You used to know, but forgot that you did.....[beam][beam][beam][beam]

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