Though I admit I have a general disdain for The Associated Press, my following complaints are expressed in earnest. I believe the AP twists the truth. In the AP briefs on A2 on Sept. 14, the AP writes that the University of California-Berkeley is “the birthplace of America’s free speech movement.” What?! Hmmm, and all this time, I thought that the United States’ Founding Fathers recognized free speech as a constitutional right in the 1770s.

Let me explain why I’m so uptight. I am a former Special Ops soldier. I wore a green beret — not because I got a high score on Call to Battle XXX, or bought one at Col. Bubbie’s — but because I earned it, and then served in Central America. People like me have been formally trained how to undermine and destabilize communities and governing regimes. So, I recognize propaganda when I see it. And, I understand the kind of agenda that drives such propaganda.

There once were alternative wire services, like Reuters and UPI (actually, they still exist, but are not locally available). In the absence of other press sources, AP will continue to treat us like we’re stupid. Because, in fact, AP believes that we are stupid.

Joe Elliott

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Jim Forsythe

Joe, I do not know if you are old enough to remember sit in's, mass civil disobedience on college campus and such, it was all was  part of  the Free Speech Movement that started at University of California, Berkeley. This should not be confused with what happen in the 1770's

"With the participation of thousands of students, the Free Speech Movement was the first mass civil disobedience in college campus of the United States during 1960s"

This is why it was called the Free Speech Movement.
"Students insisted that the university administration lift the ban of on-campus political activities and acknowledge the students' right to free speech and academic freedom"

Doyle Beard

They called it free speech movement but in reality it was a bunch of radicals.

Carlos Ponce

The "Free Speech Movement" actually started at UC Berkely in the 1930s. The University of California-Berkely only recognized the Democrat and Republican Parties as political organizations on their campus. Some students wanted the Communist Party recognized. Among their ideas was a "Peace Movement" to influence America's non-involvement in the wars of Europe.
Berkeley Daily Gazette February 26, 1934 Page Four:
"Here in Berkeley we have a typical example of the annoyance, if not harm, that can come to a university through the ac­tivities of subversive groups within the student body of the institution. In the University of California there is a comparatively small group of perhaps 100 students whose communistic activities have caused the authorities great annoyance and, while they doubtless have made little impression on the majority of the students, they are a growing source of internal dis­sension. They are described in The Exam­iner as "a small but militant group" that "are making a vigorous campaign to spread the doctrines of Communism and revolu­tion among their fellow students.... First and foremost among their objectives is the stifling of preparedness against war. Their hymn of hate is directed chiefly against the Reserve Officers' Training Corps or any other form of military training. All the other objectives in the program converge on this one goal of abolishing the R. O. T. C. throughout the United States, a plan which, if accomplished, would seriously cripple the Nation's already inadequate defenses. The Examiner flatly charges that "on the campus at Berkeley this Communist inspired organization operates as 'The University off California Social Problems Club,' which is an avowed 'unit of National Student League,' which organization, it is charged, is coached by veteran Communist leaders and that its activities are generally reported and praised in 'The Daily Worker,' the official Communist organ in the United States."

Mark Aaron

What's your point Carlos? Are you trying to claim that free speech is a communist plot?

Gary Scoggin

Doyle, are you talking about the Founding Fathers, the '60's protesters, or both?

Doyle Beard

I believe the the story was about the Berkley Movement

Mark Aaron

Doyle: "They called it free speech movement but in reality it was a bunch of radicals."

That's also what they said about the Founding Fathers.

Jarvis Buckley

I'm old enough to remember sit-ins.
Also old enough to find kneeling during the National anthem disgusting .

Mark Aaron

Jarvis: "Also old enough to find kneeling during the National anthem disgusting "

So you are saying you are not a fan of free speech Jarvis?

Brian Griffith

You can disagree with the contents of free speech without banning it.

Craig Lindberg

This is the typical liberal misunderstanding or misrepresentation of free speech. Finding someone's speech offensive and calling it out is just as much free speech as the comment found to be offensive.

Also, freedom of speech exists between the citizen and the government. A NFL player, for example, has no expectation of free speech vis-a-vis his employer. We see examples of this ignorance regularly. One particularly vivid example was when the Dixie Chicks made their comments about Bush and the liberals cried about them being denied free speech when businesses and individuals boycotted them.

Free speech cuts both ways. You speech can’t put you in jail (with certain exceptions), but it can certainly damage your business interests as Kaepernick and the NFL are learning, and that is as American as your right to say it.

George Croix

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George Croix

The AP serves the valuable purpose of showing the effects of blending ideology with news...with the result typically being more of the former than latter....that results in a misleading narrative...
They are not alone...

Mark Aaron

George: "The AP serves the valuable purpose of showing the effects of blending ideology with news...with the result typically being more of the former than latter....that results in a misleading narrative... They are not alone... "

More of your arrogant cynical nonsense, George? In this one mainstream media is all liberal blather, but you know better? Let me guess, you prefer Fox News where "they report, and you decide."

Jim Forsythe

Do you also find not standing by the crowd ,or placing hand over heart, discussing?
If you have been to many sporting events, you may have noticed that more than one person does not do these things.
How many people can sing it,and reach all the high notes?
Is it wrong, to not play the anthem at a sporting event?
"Goshen College in Indiana, a Mennonite school that competes in the NAIA, recently decided that the violent lyrics clashed with its mission, which it sums up in the slogan "Healing the world, peace by peace." Goshen will not play the anthem before athletic competitions this academic year, substituting "America the Beautiful."

George Croix

Violent lyrics?????
Absolutely amazing....
How much 'world healing' do they suppose the world would have had if the United States had not 'violently' won it's independence, and gone on to become the opposition to the forces who would 'violently' try to dominate the world....
World peace?
Good luck with that......

Gary Scoggin

Personally, and ideology aside, I think America the Beautiful would be a better National Anthem. It's a lot easier to sing and glorifies the entire country, not just a particular battle in a particular war. But I'm not taking a knee over it.

George Croix

A the B is certainly easier to sing.
I don't know that the "brotherhood from sea to shining sea" is currently in vogue as it should be, at least as we see in media....
The silent majority needs to get better at not being silent, and keep doing what they did last election, rejecting the continuation of the 'fundamental change of the greatest country the world has ever known"....and concentrate on improving the country for all of it's good citizens and legal residents, not being overshadowed by contemptable snowflakes, anarchists, and 'social media' trolls....
Of course, A the B wouldn't exist without the violent battle(s) as described by Key, that gave birth to the United States, lovingly referred to as America, one of three, but by far...faaaarrr... the best.
Do we celebrate how we got here, or what we became?
Room for both.....

Mark Aaron

George: "Violent lyrics????? Absolutely amazing.... ~ World peace? Good luck with that...... "

Ever the arrogant cynic, eh George? In your world striving for peace is a bad thing worthy of ridicule

Carlos Ponce

"Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war’s desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav’n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: 'In God is our trust.'
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!"

Gary Scoggin

I am one of very few Americans that actually know that verse. How often do we get to sing it at a ballgame?

Jim Forsythe

When one lives what they believe, it is a wonderful thing, it should be what we all strive for.
By saying that the National anthem  does not fit into their beliefs , they are being true to themselves.

Mennonite Beliefs 
The church has long held a belief in pacifism . Members act this out as conscientious objectors during war, but also as negotiators in resolving conflict between warring factions.
As a rule, Mennonites try to avoid lawsuits, seeking negotiation or some other form of reconciliation.
Peace / Pacifism - Because Jesus taught his followers to love everyone, killing, even in war, is not a Christian response. Most young Mennonites do not serve in the military, although they are encouraged to spend a year in service in missions or in the local community

.If one reads the rest of the National anthem , one might conclude that it's about war, and one could think, has Violent lyrics.
On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In fully glory reflected now shines in the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner! Oh, long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

And where is that band who so vuntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion
A home and a country should leave us no more?
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution!
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave

Oh, thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Bless with victory and peace, may the heav'rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust":
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

George Croix

Been striving since Man walked upright, Jim.
Guess it won't hurt to keep striving until all are back horizontal.
No harm in trying for the mythical world peace...
One sure thing is if it does, it will be because violence was used to eradicate evil...the only language evil knows is force....
Good luck with just wishing it to be....
You know what they say about wishing in one hand and.....
[beam][beam][beam][beam]

Jarvis Buckley

Have you noticed they Iranian leaders & the democrat talking heads use the same rhetoric . I find that very interesting.

Gary Scoggin

Huh?

George Croix

You lost me on that one, Mr. Buckley...I'm pretty sure the Dems don't want to nuke Isreal...
Well, maybe they do Netanyahu.....

Steve Fouga

When people complain about the media, are they admitting an inability to filter what they read and hear? Personally, when it comes to news, I'm confident that I can distinguish fact from opinion, nearly all the time.

If our news sources are reporting downright incorrect information or worse, lying, that's a different matter. However, I'm very experienced at spotting lies and misinformation, too.

As for UPI and Reuters being unavailable locally, I was just now able to access both, using the very same utility that allows me to post this opinion, and you to read it. [cool]

Carlos Ponce

" I'm confident that I can distinguish fact from opinion, nearly all the time."
Happy to hear that but based on some of your previous posts looks like you can not.
You do admit to some fallibility. Point in your favor not "nearly all".
"Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall." Proverbs 16:18

Steve Fouga

"based on some of your previous posts looks like you can not."

Hahaha! I've long felt the same about you, Carlos! I have a lot of patience, though. I expect that most of my observations will prove to be correct, and the truth will become obvious to more people. But yes, as you point out, I'm not right 100% of the time.

I am right that it's a waste of time to b!tch about the media, unless you do it through complaints to said media, or better, by canceling subscriptions or just not watching.

Carlos Ponce

Yes, I remember how Liberals laughed and scoffed when Trump claimed Trump Towers was wiretapped. Now WAPO and CNN are making the same claim:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/09/19/cnn-says-the-government-wiretapped-manafort-does-that-vindicate-trumps-obama-wiretapped-me-claims/
http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/18/politics/paul-manafort-government-wiretapped-fisa-russians/index.html
Paul Manafort had an apartment in Trump Towers.
Of course CNN-WAPO both say what Trump claimed was slightly off the mark.
"If the CNN report is correct, there is still no indication that Trump himself was targeted..."
Trump said "Trump Tower" was wire-tapped. Since he OWNS Trump Tower technically his claim was legit. But he did specify "Obama" had Trump Towers wiretapped. If he meant "the Obama Administration" he would be correct.
Did Steve claim this was one of Trump's "lies" now proven true?????

Steve Fouga

I can't remember for sure, Carlos. Perhaps you could check my past posts and find out. I may have assumed all along that Trump and his cronies were wiretapped, since there was a pretty clear need to do so.

As we're finding out, the Obama administration had every right to surveil Trump's campaign, and it wouldn't surprise me if they surveiled Trump as well. If only they had made their findings known soon enough to prevent his election.

Jim Forsythe

That the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act court had OK'd two separate wiretaps on Manafort -- one in 2014 tied to Manafort's work in Ukraine and  a second focused on Russian involvement in the 2016 election that extended through the early part of 2017.

While Manafort does have a residence in Trump Tower, it's not clear whether any FBI surveillance took place there.

It's "likely" the Senate Judiciary Committee will issue a subpoena for Manafort.
And to make matters worse for the former Trump campaign charman, the New York Times reported Monday special counsel Robert Mueller plans to indict Manafort.
Manafort is under investigation for violations of tax law, money laundering, and failing to disclose his lobbying activities, according to the report.

Paul Manafort, was never talked about by Trump, as being wire-tapped. He did say every chance he got , that he, Trump, was wire tapped.

Trump: I was "wire tapped"
CNN: Haha. That idiot @realDonaldTrump thinks he was wiretapped.

Donald J. Trump
✔ @realDonaldTrump
Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!

"Is it legal for a sitting President to be 'wire tapping' a race for president prior to an election? Turned down by court earlier. A NEW LOW!"

"I'd bet a good lawyer could make a great case out of the fact that President Obama was tapping my phones in October, just prior to Election!"

"How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!"

"he repeatedly uses the term "my phones."

.

Mark Aaron

Carlos: "Happy to hear that but based on some of your previous posts looks like you can not."

As if you would know, Carlos. You think the wingnut nonsense coming out of CBN is the font of truth. It is why you humiliate yourself near daily with easily disproven claims.

Carlos Ponce

"I may have assumed all along that Trump and his cronies were wiretapped, since there was a pretty clear need to do so."
The FISA courts approved using the fake dossier.

Steve Fouga

Another of my predictions: The dossier will prove to be real.

Carlos Ponce

I looked at the calendar, Steve, It's not April 1st. The dossier is so full of implausible fictitious material. An example alleges Donald Trump hired prostitutes to urinate on a bed in a hotel room the Obamas were scheduled to use.
See "The Trump Dossier Is Fake -- And Here Are The Reasons Why"
https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2017/01/13/the-trump-dossier-is-false-news-and-heres-why/#21a636136867
"Donald Trump ‘Russian Dossier’ Debunked As Obvious Fake"
http://yournewswire.com/donald-trump-russian-dossier-fake/
"Some of the dossier’s claims have been verified, others disproved. Steele himself has said the package itself needs additional verification and has told the FBI the names of his sources."
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/26/trump-russia-dossier-manafort-swamp-diary-215542
"How a Sensational, Unverified Dossier Became a Crisis for Donald Trump"
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/11/us/politics/donald-trump-russia-intelligence.html
"Parts of the story remain out of reach — most critically the basic question of how much, if anything, in the dossier is true." NYT
"Ex-spy admits anti-Trump dossier unverified, blames Buzzfeed for publishing"
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/25/christopher-steele-admits-dossier-charge-unverifie/
"Lawyers for the British author of an unverified intelligence dossier at the center of the Trump-Russia controversy are fighting an effort to force him into a deposition in connection with a libel suit stemming from BuzzFeed's publication of the salacious document."
http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2017/08/10/legal-fight-trump-dossier-christopher-steele-241503
"Thirteen Things That Don’t Add Up in the Russia-Trump Intelligence Dossier"
http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-russia-intelligence-dossier-hacking-541626
"The rumor about Donald Trump and Russian prostitutes in a hotel room can be traced to a shady Belarus real estate agent"
http://www.salon.com/2017/03/30/the-rumor-about-donald-trump-and-russian-prostitutes-in-a-hotel-room-can-be-tracked-down-to-a-shady-belarus-real-estate-agent/

Jim Forsythe


The second warrant, had to do with more than the dossier . The first warrant was before the  dossier was out.

April 18, 2017
The FBI last year used a dossier of allegations of Russian ties to Donald Trump's campaign as part of the justification to win approval to secretly monitor a Trump associate, according to US officials briefed on the investigation

First warrant.
The court that provides judicial oversight for the administration of the Foreign Intligence Surveillance Act authorized an FBI investigation into Manafort in 2014 focused on “work done by a group of Washington consulting firms for Ukraine’s former ruling party.” Manafort’s firm, among notable others, had failed to register under the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) for work with the pro-Russian Ukrainian regime. This first investigation was reportedly halted in 2016 by Justice Department prosecutors because of lack of evidence, but a second warrant was later issued in service of the FBI’s investigation into Russian influence of the election and potential ties between the Trump campaign and Russian operatives

The FBI used more than the dossier when investigating Manafort. It was investigated, as it should have been. Intercepted communications was the main reason for the warrant.

Interest in Manafort was “reignited” because of “intercepted communications between Manafort and suspected Russian operatives, and among the Russians themselves.” The FBI also conducted physical searches: one of a storage facility belonging to Manafort and a more widely reported search of his Alexandria home in late July. .
The FBI had already “noticed what counterintelligence agents thought was a series of odd connections between Trump associates and Russia” by the time Manafort left the campaign in August. . The Justice Department and the FBI have denied that Trump was subject to wiretapping

Mark Aaron

Carlos: "The FISA courts approved using the fake dossier."

Poor Carlos, ever the Trump apologist/dupe.

Mark Aaron

Carlos: "Yes, I remember how Liberals laughed and scoffed when Trump claimed Trump Towers was wiretapped."

We can always count on you to misrepresent the truth, can't we Carlos.

What Trump actually said:

"How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!"

George Croix

No, Mr. Fouga, I'm not.
Readers/listeners should not have to filter news for fact vs agenda or ideology, especially when that same media has promised that they don't ever intentionally mislead us....
Filtering is expected to be needed for editorials and opinion forums and 'social media' trolls, as none are presumed to be unbiased.
Reporting should not require the person on the consumer end to be adept at knowing the difference between Shinola and that other stuff.....and it's not a character flaw to be PO'd that it so often does....
Waste of time?
Who's time?

Steve Fouga

"Readers/listeners should not have to filter news for fact vs agenda or ideology"

Well, George, that's my wish too, but as you've pointed out dozens of times, it's not reality. I've adapted to the new reality.

"Who's time?" Theirs. (I do realize the same can be said for much of what goes on in internet discussions. [beam])

George Croix

OK. That's all fair.
And it's also fair to say that not everyone can filter as well as someone else might, or keeps up with events, and/or might be prone to just take whatever comes their way at face value.
That would be a potential benefit of wondering aloud, complaining, about inaccuracies in reporting, to at least put in another layer of possible, if not probable, personal attention opportunity to what one is told or reads....
I'd agree that it does no good to claim that ALL sources are wrong any more than assuming all are good.....that's why God gave Man the power to reason...
Of course, He threw in Mother Jones and The Nation to make sure we had examples of total crap....
[beam][beam]

Mark Aaron

George: "Of course, He threw in Mother Jones and The Nation to make sure we had examples of total crap...."

Why am I not surprised that you don't recognize Mother Jones as one of America's oldest and most respected magazines? Of course Tea Partiers like yourself think anything on the Liberal side is automatically bad. Just showing your ignorance, George.

Kelly Naschke

Mark,
At what point do you back up the things you say with facts as opposed to insulting any and everyone that you disagree with? Your trolling is wearing thin...

Mark Aaron

Kelly: "At what point do you back up the things you say with facts as opposed to insulting any and everyone that you disagree with? Your trolling is wearing thin..."

The rightwing lies, apologia, and bullying are what have long ago worn thin in this forum Kelly. It is what induced mt to speak up. I'm just correcting the record wherever the opportunity presents itself. People who post or respond thoughtfully/honestly are treated the same. If I have treated anyone with disrespect who didn't give me reason to I apologize. Can you say the same Kelly?

Cary Semar

Since Joe was there with Henry on St. Crispin's Day while I lay abed in England, metaphorically speaking, perhaps I should remain silent when he speaks. Nevertheless, I want to point out that the Associated Press is just a network that links together different news organizations so they can share stories. Their purpose is not to mislead you but to enable your local newspaper to keep you better informed.

Carlos Ponce

"keep you better informed" - that was their original intent. Best check the author of the article you are reading. A few report the news but many give the news with a biased twist in interpretation. It becomes an op-ed piece.

Mark Aaron

Carlos: "Best check the author of the article you are reading. A few report the news but many give the news with a biased twist in interpretation. It becomes an op-ed piece."

Before anyone takes your advice, Carlos, maybe you should tell them that your idea of unbiased news is Pat Robertson and CBN.

Mark Aaron

Cary: "Their purpose is not to mislead you but to enable your local newspaper to keep you better informed."

Unfortunately there are a few around here that think any news to the left of Fox News is biased and are quick to slur those sources.

Kelly Naschke

You have turned yourself into nothing more than a joke Mark. You provide no substance, blindly believe your numerously discredited new sources, and do nothing of substance or construction. A true dumbocrat. Keep spewing your misinformed hate for all to see. You are one of the reasons the demb dembs have been losing in record numbers. Keep up the good work pal....you are as good as Oblamo was for strengthening the right!

Mark Aaron

Kelly: " A true dumbocrat. Keep spewing your misinformed hate for all to see. You are one of the reasons the demb dembs have been losing in record numbers. Keep up the good work pal....you are as good as Oblamo was for strengthening the right!"

Poor Kelly, all out of intelligent responses. Like your hero Trump you are reduced to childish name calling and lies. So sad.

George Croix

Their purpose is not to mislead?
Has anybody told them lately.....[beam][innocent][whistling]
I look forward to when they once again tell the WHOLE story(s) and not pick ideological, or so it seems, cherries quite so often......They can do so, if they will...hope springs eternal...
I'm old enough to remember when the AP was considered quite "Cronkite-esque" as a reliable sourece of unbiased info.
IMO, that started going downhill when the last President became the poster boy for ideological investment vs straight reporting for an adoring media, as they proved willing to overlook the volume of outright lies and deceptions by self and Admin. in favor of protecting their 'investment'...let me be clear about that...period....
It's positively over the cliff in the first few months of Pres. Trump's first term, but, in a bit of fairness, it might well be less so if the new Pres. gave them less cherries to pick.
I almost miss the near daily GDN front page top AP declarations of ideological war on this Pres....or, keeping us informed, as it was called.
Well, selectively, anyway......
C'mon, AP, REPORT, don't indoctrinatre...serve the masses wwho knwo the difference between stuff and Shinola, and let the social media trolls just keep on making up their own realities.....

Steve Fouga

"let the social media trolls just keep on making up their own realities....."

Nope, can't let that happen anymore, George. They might be Russians. Remember a couple months back, you asked me whether Facebook should be investigated? And I said something like "Yes, George, yes!"?

Well, it's happening; Facebook IS being investigated. Russians are everywhere. And if Russians are everywhere, then others are too. Chinese? Afghans? Iranians? North Koreans? We know ISIS is. Potential enemies all!

I'm not sure I want even our friends to have any influence over us on social media, yet here we sit: fat, dumb, and happy. I can attest to the fat part.

George Croix

Of course, we'll no doubt get right on investigating the Ukraineian Embassy's role in the election runup, too....

Mr. Fouga, is it possible that it's actually news to anybody who's not been sleeping for 100 years that the Russians have been working to undermine governments, especially ours, since the 1917 revolution? They are not alone......
Plus, we've got people in THIS country doing the exact same thing TO this country....
Well, with what passes for knowledge of government and history these days, I suppose it is unknown to millions, aided, of course, by a 'never misleading' media.....

If anyone wants to blame Russians rather than Hillary's use of her private email server and her man Podesta''s duplicitous talk one way but emails showing another they are certainly free to do so....that would inlcude about half the country right now.
Read Hillary's new book yet?
She not only blames the Russians, but, by my rough count, about 45 or so OTHER loss-causing-people/events/things....
Yet, never herself.
She's like Nixon, and has a LOT of company at it, in claiming to take responsibility but never ever taking any of the blame.
I have donated my copy of 'What Happened' to my deer lease, and will be buying a second copy to also donate, because we have separate facilities for the women and men....we're very un-PC about that......[beam][beam][beam]
OF COURSE the Rooskies are trying to influence every facet of our lives, as is any other country interested in our downfall, or at least marginalization, and along with 'Social media' inflicted wounds may yet do more harm than the nuclear arsenals ever could, because what passes for knowledge on it is so often little more than the spouting of trolls and similarly mentally challenged ...loons.....aided by too many in a a populace that is wont to believe whatever their little screens put in front of their faces.
These foreign and domestic interlopers are not potential enemies, they are right now real ones, and, to me, the biggest enemy of all is US, because too many are happy to accept whatever BS is fed to them by whatever source, whether vetted or not, as long as it fits their preconceptions and/or too many talking points..
Today, there's more direct danger from blog trolls than from the Kremlin, imo.....as they are more prolific, and when it comes to duplicity and dishonesty, make Ivan look like an amateur....a situation Ivan uses to his benefit....
We got a problem, for sure, way farther back and forward than the 2016 election, but to fix it, we have to figure out how to fix our own unfixable aiders and abetters of it, and you just can't fix 'social media' trolls and agenda driven 'news' sources.....
Catch 22.....
Suggestions?
Anyone?
Anyone with a real idea, anyway, rather than a list of lunatic website quotes.....

Mark Aaron

George: "Of course, we'll no doubt get right on investigating the Ukraineian Embassy's role in the election runup, too...."

So you have become a full on apologist for the Russians now, eh George? I'm glad you weren't there to have my back in Vietnam.

Mark Aaron

George: "IMO, that started going downhill when the last President became the poster boy for ideological investment vs straight reporting for an adoring media, as they proved willing to overlook the volume of outright lies and deceptions by self and Admin. in favor of protecting their 'investment'.."

The depth of your delusion never ceases to amaze, George. Your pretense that Trump isn't detested by the entire planet while you act like President Obama was is positively deranged. But don't let me stop you from making a fool of yourself. This place needs a little comic relief.

You can go back to listening to Rush Limbaugh now where you don't have to worry about being "indoctrinated."

Jarvis Buckley

Soon Democrat will be pulled down off the pedestal . A tarp thrown over them in disgust & embarrassment.😀

Mark Aaron

Jarvis: "Soon Democrat will be pulled down off the pedestal . A tarp thrown over them in disgust & embarrassment."

Quick question for you Jarvis. Who is the most detested American president in modern history? I'll spot you the TR and the MP. See if you can figure it out.

Carlos Ponce

Statues of Democrats are already being pulled down off the pedestal or a tarp thrown over them. Even the Troll Meister is calling for that.
Statues that have been removed:
Robert E. Lee - Democrat
Supreme Court Justice Roger Taney -Democrat
Albert Sidney Johnson - Democrat
John H. Reagan - Democrat
Texas Gov. James Stephen Hogg- Democrat
Thomas, J. “Stonewall” Jackson - Democrat
Did all serve the Confederacy? No. Justice Taney served on the US Supreme Court during the Civil War. He had authored the Dred Scott decision. Governor Hogg was 14 when the war ended.

Craig Lindberg

I went to the Creek - Houston Heights football game last week and was thinking that I didn't remember a Houston Heights high school when I was growing up, so I googled it, and it was previously Reagan high school - but not Ronald Reagan but rather John Reagan who was a postmaster general in the Confederacy. Call me crazy, but I'm thinking the $250,000 it cost HISD to change the name could have been better spent.

Mark Aaron

Craig: "Democrat racists abandoning the party in the 60's is the narrative the left certainly works very hard to push, but it's false."

Wow, talk about delusional. You're out there past Pluto, aren't you Craig? Remind us how many Black Republicans there are in Congress versus Black Democrats. Do you pretend to not know about Ronald Reagan's Southern Strategy also?

Craig Lindberg

No Mark, delusional is thinking your pathetic little condescending remarks accomplish anything except making you look insecure and immature. You have nothing. As is your very predictable MO, you immediately backpedal from your original false claim and start throwing out red herrings.

Craig Lindberg

The political swing in the South was driven by economics, not race. It’s well documented. Even the NY Times has written on it: “The Myth of the Southern Strategy: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/10/magazine/10Section2b.t-4.html?mcubz=0

If you want to talk about shameful, let’s talk about the Democratic Party stealing the future of generations of minorities by telling that the American Dream is dead and that they shouldn’t even try to succeed because the system is rigged against them and they will fail. How evil do you have to be to steal someone’s future for your political gain?

Racism is and continues to be a key tool of the left – as is the tactic of accusing your enemy of exactly what you are doing.

Mark Aaron

Craig: "The political swing in the South was driven by economics, not race. It’s well documented."

No Craig, one single book making that claim is not "well documented." You want documentation, try the words directly from the horse's mouth, in this case from Reagan's top political strategist,
Lee Atwater: __"You start out in 1954 by saying, “Ni__er, ni__er, ni__er.” By 1968 you can’t say “ni__er”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Ni__er, ni__er.”"__

"If you want to talk about shameful, let’s talk about the Democratic Party stealing the future of generations of minorities by telling that the American Dream is dead and that they shouldn’t even try to succeed because the system is rigged against them and they will fail."

It never happened Craig. You are lying. Try to prove otherwise with a direct quote from a credible source.

Mark Aaron

Carlos: "Statues that have been removed: Robert E. Lee - Democrat, Supreme Court Justice Roger Taney -Democrat, Albert Sidney Johnson - Democrat
John H. Reagan - Democrat Texas Gov. James Stephen Hogg- Democrat, Thomas, J. “Stonewall” Jackson - Democrat, Did all serve the Confederacy? No. Justice Taney served on the US Supreme Court during the Civil War. He had authored the Dred Scott decision. Governor Hogg was 14 when the war ended. "

Poor Carlos, still trying to pretend that American racists didn't abandon the Democratic Party in the 1960's after the passage of the Civil Rights legislation. Nor do you mention that Ronald Reagan invited those same racists to join the Republican Party in what became known as the Southern Strategy, where they remain today. As you so often illustrate.

Governor Hogg's statue was removed for ascetic reasons because it was part of a set of four, Three of which were Confederate traitors.

Craig Lindberg

Democrat racists abandoning the party in the 60's is the narrative the left certainly works very hard to push, but it's false. A short history less for you - to, as you like to say, correct the record: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_a7dQXilCo

Mark Aaron

Craig: "Democrat racists abandoning the party in the 60's is the narrative the left certainly works very hard to push, but it's false. A short history less for you - to, as you like to say, correct the record"

Poor Craig. So easily duped. You find one Youtube video of a Black person making a goofy claim and you want to pretend that is conclusive evidence. So sad. Pathetic, really.

Carlos Ponce

Statues of President Ronald Reagan stand in London, Budapest,Tbilisi, Georgia and California. The British, Hungarians and Georgians respect their Reagan statues, Leftist Californians have problems with the one in their state.

Mark Aaron

Carlos: " Leftist Californians have problems with the one in their state. "

Why don't you pretend you don't know what the shameful Southern Strategy is Carlos.

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