As a former sailor in the U.S. Navy, I am excited to see an addition to our fleet of warships. However, I also am disappointed in the government’s decision to name this vessel after a former member of Congress (“’Strong and Tough,’” The Daily News, June 11). The naming of ships have had some predictability behind them: aircraft carriers were named for big battles and former presidents, battleships after states and littoral combat ships after U.S. cities. The USS Gabrielle Giffords is a littoral combat ship.

My disagreement with the naming will be criticized by those who believe it to be a criticism of Rep. Giffords, but they are dead wrong.

It is a criticism of those in Washington who congratulate themselves and their fellow insiders with pay raises, exemptions from laws that affect the rest of us and now the naming of proud naval vessels.

Rep. Giffords certainly did show strength and resilience in her recovery from a devastating gunshot wound. But if those are the criteria, then there is a long list of servicewomen and servicemen maimed or killed in the line of duty whose names should come before hers. Does anyone remember Audie Murphy, the most-decorated serviceman in World War II?

Consider a few local names: Fletcher Harris lost a hand by picking up a German hand grenade and throwing it; Ross Novelli marched across Europe and received the Silver Star for heroism; Danny Cleary lost a leg and had his elbow shattered in Europe. These servicemen are heroes.

I am by no means slamming Ms. Giffords, just the departure from a non-political tradition to be replaced by a political one. Wrong is wrong and this one is wrong.

Eddie Janek Sr. lives in Galveston.

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Claudia Burnam

This ex-swabby agrees one hundred per cent! E G Wiley

Lisa Blair

Of course your criticism has nothing to do with Gifford's being a woman. Or a Democrat. Or an advocate for common sense gun control. And I'm sure that's it's just coincidence that the folks you name as being more worthy of the honor are all MEN. It would be great if you old white guys joined the rest of us in the modern age or else just kept your predjudces to yourself.

Carlos Ponce

Lisa, your diatribe against one of our veterans is unwarranted and reeks of hatred. Keep your YOUR prejudices to YOURSELF.

Keith Gray

Lisa my father-in-law was blown off a Sherman tank during the Battle of the Bulge and survived to raised a great family, and now sits in a rest home today where he greatest joy is to feed the squirrels. He doesn't want thanks or recognition for his service....in fact he never mentions that part of his life. When you write your insult about old white guys, because you heard someone criticize HRC or SJL, think about those old white guys (and all those who serve) and hopefully you will realize they are the reason you can write the insults you do. IMHO

Doyle Beard

to make sure everyone understands my post about hypocritical was for Lisa , not Keith. His post was great.

Doyle Beard

your last sentence is so hipocritical.

Carlos Ponce

Title Thirteen, Chapter Six of the US Code enacted in 1862 reads;
“The vessels of the Navy shall be named by the Secretary of the Navy under the direction of the President according to the following rule:
Sailing-vessels of the first class shall be named after the States of the Union, those of the second class after the rivers, those of the third class after the principal cities and towns and those of the fourth class as the President may direct.”
The USS Gabrielle Giffords was named by President Obama. On February 10, 2012 Secretary of the Navy Ray Mabus stated the Navy had chosen to name the ship Gabrielle Giffords because her name had become “synonymous with courage”, and that the congresswoman had “inspired the nation with remarkable resiliency.”
Other ship names announced by Secretary Ray Mabus include naming an auxiliary ship after civil rights activist and sitting incumbent Georgia Democratic Congressman John Lewis, and another auxiliary ship after after gay rights icon and former San Francisco Democratic politician, the late Harvey Milk. Mabus announced that all future auxiliary ships would be named after civil rights leaders.
https://news.usni.org/2016/01/06/secnav-mabus-names-first-t-aox-next-generation-oiler-after-rep-john-lewis
https://news.usni.org/2016/07/28/navy-name-ship-gay-rights-activist-harvey-milk
Lt. JG Harvey Milk did serve in the US Navy aboard the submarine rescue ship USS Kittiwake (ASR-13) as a diving officer and later in San Diego as diving instructor.
"Other names in the [John Lewis oiler] class include former Supreme Court Chief Justice Earl Warren whose court ruled to desegregate U.S. schools, former Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy, women’s right activist Lucy Stone and abolitionist and women’s rights activist Sojourner Truth."

Carlos Ponce

"Still, backlash against Mabus’ decision was swift and sharp, with some critics — both inside and outside the military — arguing he had taken the solemn responsibility of naming ships way off course. They argued that many servicemembers who had died while serving their country were more deserving of the honor."
https://www.stripes.com/news/navy/from-hope-to-giffords-the-navy-s-long-history-of-unconventional-ship-names-1.353190

Carlos Ponce

Eddie Janek Sr., thank you for your service.

Jack Cross

Eddie was brave to bring this out and will get flack, but he is 100 percent correct, I served in the U.S. Navy during the Korean War on both Destroyers and Carriers, Ships names have classifications and the Destroyers I served on were named after men who were Hero's and gave their life for their country in battle. Navy History is an important part of the service and it is one of the first things sailors are taught when they enter the service in boot camp. I salute to congress woman and wish her well but our military has served us well and thousands have given their lives to protect our country, political correctness or social experimentation is no place for the military.

Doyle Beard

Grand slam Jack.

Kathleen Sukiennik

Gabrielle Giffords was serving her country in the capacity of Senator. She was shot as she was performing her duty in the public arena. She continues to demonstrate resilience and courage as she battles daily with her wounds, and continues to serve her country as a private citizen.

Those who go to war for the U.S. are rightfully appreciated and honored. They are heroes. Those who work for peace for the U.S. are heroes also. Each serves and protects our nation and honors its ideals.

Carlos Ponce

Gabrielle Giffords was not a US Senator but a House member representing Arizona's 8th Congressional District.

Kathleen Sukiennik

Thank you for the correction, Carlos Ponce.

PD Hyatt

So I guess according to you Richard Chamberlin was a hero too....

Gary Scoggin

I don't know if Richard Chamberlain was a hero or not, but I loved hime in the Thorn Birds. Maybe you meant Nelville Chamberlain?

Jarvis Buckley

I'm sure Eddie expected to be attacked by the Liberal left. They
are harmless Eddie. No need to worry. Thank you for your service.

Gary Scoggin

Trigger words: Liberal Left

Lisa Blair

A friend and I were lucky enough to be given tickets to the commissioning. Three male veterans sat behind us and made crude and hateful comments about HRC, Nancy Pelosi and Shelia Jackson Lee. Sorry, but I'm not buying this argument that it is not a criticism of Gabby. If you want to be honored for your service, conduct yourself honorably.

Carlos Ponce

So "HRC, Nancy Pelosi and Shelia Jackson Lee" were criticized by veterans. It's their right unless Galveston and Texas have become FASCIST. Last I heard, Galveston was a safe zone for exercising one's Constitutional Freedom of Speech. Were the comments really "hateful" about these Leftists? I know there are some "Precious Snowflakes" who find any criticism of their leaders, "hateful".

Gary Scoggin

Trigger words: FASCIST, Leftists, Precous Snowflakes

Doyle Beard

To my knowledge I haven't seen Lisa defending anyone but libs about hateful remarks. Sounds like an agenda here. Have you seen Pelosi or Lee defendng Veterans. maybe they were upset because hillary was in on selling uranium to russia. her foundation the receiving money and Bills speaking fees doubled in Russia.

PD Hyatt

Hillary left 4 to die in Benghazi and then told the Senate what difference at this point does it make...

Gary Scoggin

Trigger Word: Benghazi

Pinkie Oleander

I'm not sure what our servicemen are fighting for if not to preserve and promote what is most decent about our country. Gabrielle Giffords is a symbol of what is best about us, our resilience and our desire to protect and promote children and the freedom to congregate and speak up. I'm sorry that Mr. Janek is unable to recognize this as being worth celebrating.

Lisa Blair

Let's be clear, I didn't say they "criticized". Here are the comments: To SJL " I'd like to roll up this program and shove it up her ...". To HRC, "I could get a good shot at her head from here". One of them was the WW2 vet who wears the red hat and jacket and attends TAPS on Postoffice Street.

Kelly Naschke

How do you NOT criticize Queen weave Sheila Jackson Lee. The woman is a buffoon that thinks we planted a flag on Mars...has done absolutely nothing for her constituents. Lisa...your hatred is unbelievable. These "old white men" are the very reason that a miscreant such as yourself has the freedom to condemn the same MEN that gave you that privilege. Despicable.

Kelly Naschke

And apparently Mr. Janek's point about the naming of vessels deviation from tradition to politics flew over your heads like a fighter jet.

Charlotte O'rourke

I didn't miss the point, but it is not valid. Politics always has and always will be part of naming ships and recognition of achievements of ALL types.

As a FYI, the USS Lady Washington and the USS Martha Washington was named after a woman - a presidential wife and mother.

Deciding which of our many role models and heroes who make sacrifices should be honored with specific types of awards and recognition is a matter of OPINION and POLITICS.

Gabby deserves recognition and is a wonderful example of courage and tenacity - unfortunately not everyone that sacrifices for our country or is a role model is able to achieve this level of recognition.

I like and admire Eddie Janek ..... I disagree with this particular argument of history and politics being the reason she should not receive this particular accolade.

Carlos Ponce

Let's see "One of them was the WW2 vet". WW2 lasted until 1945, making him about 90 years old. He grew up in a different era. They are called "The Greatest Generation" for a reason.
"I could get a good shot at her from here". I'd say the same thing if I were trying to take her picture or wanted to. Maybe he was referring to a possible photo shoot and was lamenting not having a camera.
And Queen Sheila maybe could use a program enema considering all the outrageous things she has said and done.
“I am a queen, and I demand to be treated like a queen.” SJL

Jim Forsythe

Sheila Jackson Lee
One may not like her , but U.S. House District 18.does. She has served since 1995 .
Democratic incumbent Jackson-Lee captured 73.4 percent of the vote. She must be meeting the needs of District 18.

Carlos Ponce

"She must be meeting the needs of District 18." If you say so.[rolleyes]

Jim Forsythe

If she was not , she would be voted out.

Carlos Ponce

District 18 was gerrymandered for Barbara Jordan who was succeeded by Mickey Leland, then Craig Washington then Sheila Jackson Lee.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas%27s_18th_congressional_district
Jackson's hold might change one day since Hispanics account for 42.7% while Blacks account for 36.4% of the population. Look for her to retire before defeat is inevitable.

Jim Forsythe

Sheila Jackson-Lee captured 73.4 percent of the vote.
Hispanics account for 42.7% while Blacks account for 36.4%
This means more than one group voted for her.
How  is this going to change one day ?

Carlos Ponce

She ran unopposed in the Democratic Party. Look for that to change.

Carlos Ponce

She ran unopposed in the Democratic Party Primary. Look for that to change.

Jim Forsythe

By Miya Shay  ABC 13 HOUSTON --
A long-time Houston representative is facing a serious challenge for her seat in Washington. The fight is over Houston's 18th Congressional District, a position that's given a voice to mostly African-American and Latino neighborhoods in the Houston area. Incumbents in Congress often don't face serious re-election challengers in their own party, but the upcoming March primary is putting Sheila Jackson Lee in an unusual situation - she's facing not one, but two people who want her job
2010 Results
For the first time in her congressional career, Jackson Lee was challenged in the Democratic primary; her opponents were Houston City Councilmember Jarvis Johnson and Sean Roberts. She defeated them 67%-28%-5%

Carlos Ponce

That was 2010. Look for viable opposition with a Hispanic surname in the future.

PD Hyatt

Her district was gerry mandered to where there is no way that she could actually lose that district unless she decides to not run.... Go to here district and let everyone know how great and wonderful it is for her people.... More government handouts? That is what you call great? Sad!

Jim Forsythe

You base this on, Hispanic's will only vote for Hispanic's? The name of this person is  (viable opposition) ?
You are right , she may retire as she is retirement age, and her health issues.

Carlos Ponce

Hispanics don't always vote for just Hispanics. But when they realize that SJL isn't meeting their needs and someone with a Spanish surname is promising to do so then the tide will turn. But don't worry, he or she will run as a Democrat. When elected that person will be just as ineffective as SJL if they follow the Democrat Party template.

Jim Forsythe

It is hard for a newcomer to win , without past accomplishments. Here is some she will run on , if anyone runs agonist her, and she runs.

"She has been hailed by Ebony magazine as one of the "100 Most Fascinating Black Women." "Congressional Quarterly" named her as one of the 50 most effective Members of Congress and "U.S. News and World Report" named her as one of the 10 most influential legislators in the House of Representatives. Her hometown newspaper, the "Houston Chronicle" named her as one of the most influential and prolific legislators on Capitol Hill. Most recently, she was named the Member of Congress with the largest and most impressive vocabulary based on the words that may be found on the SAT. Congresswoman Jackson Lee has served in a number of positions in the Congressional Black Caucus including 1st Vice Chair, Chair of the Energy Task Force, and Co-Chair of the Redistricting Task Force for the 112th Congress. She also represents the Congressional Black Caucus on immigration reform issues. "

Carlos Ponce

SJL is also a big JOKE on Capital Hill with her inane antics. Effective, what a laugh!
"Jackson Lee complained in 2003 that storm names were too white. 'All racial groups should be represented,' she said, and asked officials to 'try to be inclusive of African-American names.' Start with Hurricane Sheila Jackson Leigh.[beam]

Jim Forsythe

 Your needs as conservative, in Galveston county are different than those in District 18 . When she no long meets the needs of District 18 , she will be replaced.   As it does not appear that conservative have done well in District 18, my guess is ,that District 18  may have the same view about conservative , as you have of SJL .

"District 18 was gerrymandered for Barbara Jordan" excuse, is no longer in play as Texas was redistricted in 2011. The  map, approved by the Texas Legislature and signed by Gov. Rick Perry, was appealed up to the U.S. Supreme Court before going into effect.

                                        


Doyle Beard

You are so right Eddie. Thanks for your service. Veterans are the ones who made this country great and everytime I meet one I thank them male or female.

Lisa Blair

Yeah, you guys are right. Those women probably deserved it. 😉

Lisa Blair

I bet you guys think Bill Cosby's innocent too. And Doyle, don't call me a hippopotamus. 😊

Carlos Ponce

A court of law will determine Bill Cosby's fate. Too bad his last name wasn't" "Clinton". Then he could do as he wished with women with impunity.

Doyle Beard

dont take it serious as I mispelled hypocritical

Doyle Beard

I dont know if he is innocent or guilty has he gone to trial yet?

Jarvis Buckley

They most certainly did. However in my mind Condi Rice or Barbara Jordan. Should have ships named after them. Just my thoughts.

Jim Forsythe

The Navy is in charge of naming.
During the ship's naming announcement on 10 February 2012, Secretary Mabus said that the Navy had chosen to name the ship Gabrielle Giffords because Rep. Giffords' name had become "synonymous with courage" and that the congresswoman had "inspired the nation with remarkable resiliency." The secretary also called the naming a tribute to Navy families, stating that Giffords was a "Navy spouse" who made efforts to support the Navy during her time in Congress. Giffords is married to Captain Mark Kelly (Ret.), a former naval aviator and astronaut.

Why it was named for Gabrielle Giffords.
In connection with the controversy, United States Senator Roy Blunt added an amendment to the 2012 National Defense Authorization Act which required the Navy to report to Congress on how effectively it was adhering to established naming conventions. The resulting report highlighted a consistent record of making "occasional exceptions" to established ship-naming conventions, beginning in 1798 when Secretary Benjamin Stoddert broke with naming convention by naming one of the original six frigates of the United States Navy as USS Chesapeake. The report also noted that while Secretary Mabus considered honoring Giffords and other victims of the Tucson shooting by naming LCS-10 after the Arizonan city of Tucson, consistent with current naming conventions for littoral combat ships to honor U.S. cities, this was not possible because USS Tucson, an active Los Angeles-class submarine, currently bears the name

Congressman have been named  before, in tribute.
"Commander Iskra also wrote in a Time magazine editorial that the still-active Carl Vinson was named for a congressman responsible for barring women from combat roles in the Navy for nearly 50 years."

Cary Semar

For some reason, this discussion reminds me of something that John Wayne once said in an interview. The Duke was asked, "If you had your life to live over again, would you still be an actor?"

He replied, "Sure, as long as I wasn't a woman."

Ryan Holliday

To directly address your point that naming the vessel after a congressman is a break from tradition, a quick scan of the current List of Ship Names (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_ships_of_the_United_States_Navy) shows several politicians who also have been honored with ship naming. For example the USS Henry M. Jackson is a ballistic missile submarine named after a liberal politician.

Their is nothing new about this tradition of naming a ship after politicians. Historically we've had ships named after the relatives (USS Harriet Lane), first ladies (USS Lady Washington), entertainers(USNS Bob Hope), weather events (USS Cyclone) or random words (USS Freedom).While it's true the majority of ships are named as you say, the tradition isn't near as hard and fast as you would like to believe.

Steve Fouga

I can't get very fired up one way or the other about this one. I'm fine with naming the LCS-10 the Gabby Giffords, and I'm also fine with people objecting to it. Mr. Janek's piece is well-considered and well-written. I disagree with his conclusion that the naming was "wrong," but there's nothing "wrong" with having that opinion. I certainly don't see it as misogynistic.

The U.S.S. Audie Murphy has a nice ring to it as well.

Willis Briggs

The country is in turmoil over politics, political correctness, grudges against those who do not think like we want them to, my way or the highway, whatever you want to call it, and the name of a new ship goes to the top of the list?......WOW!!!

Dan Freeman

Just to stir things up here are a few other ships named after women:

The gunboat Lady Washington was commissioned in 1776 and was the first American armed ship named for a woman.
USS Queen of France (1777), a frigate in the Continental Navy named for Marie Antoinette.
USS Pocahontas (1852), a screw sloop commissioned in 1860 and in 1942 again, the YT-266, a harbor tug commissioned in 1942
The sidewheel steamer Harriet Lane was launched in 1857. She was the first armed ship in service with the U.S. Navy to be named for a woman. I suspect most of us have heard that name.
USS Sacagawea (YT-326) (later designation of YTM-326), a harbor tug that served in Charleston harbor from 1942 to 1945.
USS Watseka (YT-387), a 1944 harbor tug named for a Potawatomi woman. However, the Naval Historical Center says the name Watseka is "possibly a variant spelling of Watsaghika, a former village of the Iruwaitsu Shasta Indian tribe of northern California, at the extreme west end of Scott Valley."[2]
USS Higbee (DD-806), 1945 a Gearing-class destroyer named for Lenah S. Higbee, Superintendent of Navy Nurse Corps 1911–1922. She was the first ship laid down, christened, and commissioned for a woman who had served in the U.S. Navy, and the first to see combat so named. She will again be honored with the USS Lenah H. Sutcliffe Higbee (DDG-123), a planned Arleigh Burke-class destroyer.
USS Hopper (DDG-70), 1996. Built and commissioned at Bath Iron Works in Bath, Maine, the Arleigh Burke-class guided missile destroyer is named for RDMLGrace Murray Hopper, a computer technology pioneer who led the Navy into the digital age.
USS Roosevelt (DDG-80) is explicitly named for both Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Eleanor Roosevelt
USNS Sacagawea (T-AKE-2) was announced in 2000. She is the second of a new class of replenishment ships.
USNS Mary Sears (T-AGS 65), an oceanographic survey ship, was launched in October 2000 and is still active as of 2007. She was named for Commander Mary Sears.
USNS Amelia Earhart (T-AKE-6) is a sister ship of Sacagawea and launched in 2008.
RV Sally Ride (AGOR-28), a planned Neil Armstrong-class research vessel named for astronaut Sally Ride.
Note that even though the name Shenandoah is an American Indian word meaning "Daughter of the Stars," the navy airship USS Shenandoah (ZR-1) and other ships are named for the river Shenandoah in Virginia.
Bottom line: the US Navy takes seriously the role of women, both in service and in the naming of ships. Thank you, Eddie and Lisa for raising the issue.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._military_vessels_named_after_women

Carlos Ponce

USS Watseka - Watseka was the name of a Potawatomi woman. However, the Naval Historical Center lists the namesake as: "Possibly a variant spelling of Watsaghika, a former village of the Iruwaitsu Shasta Indian tribe of northern California, at the extreme west end of Scott Valley." So the ship was named after the village, not the woman.
USS Queen of France - Notice the name was not USS Marie Antoinette
Asides from the Queen of France, named before Title Thirteen, Chapter Six of the US Code was enacted in 1862, all other ships were named after DECEASED women. The USS Gabrielle Giffords is named after a LIVING person. The naming of a ship after a living person was not unheard of but those individuals had significant ties to the military, even Bob Hope. Politics?

Jarvis Buckley

The vicious verbal attacks on our president by the MSM & Democrats is what caused the democrat extremist to shoot unarmed Republicans in Washington today.
They should be ashamed . But of course they won't be.

Jim Forsythe

Todays shootings happen why ? Was it because they were Republicans , rich, or the shooter had some other problems.
 As he is now dead , we may never know why.
Was  Hodgkinson, todays shooter, a Independent or a Democrat, and does it matter?
Hodgkinson was described as a, “quiet guy” who was “very mellow, very reserved” when he stayed overnight at the home of a Sanders supporter in Rock Island, Ill., after canvassing for the Vermont Independent senator"

What was the reason the following had the bad things happen to them?
Was it because the shooters were Democrats or Republicans or some other reason.
John Hinckley, Jr shot President Ronald Reagan
Squeaky Fromme attempted shooting of President Ford
James Earl Ray assassinated   of Martin Luther King, Jr
 Sirhan Sirhan  assassinated  Robert F. Kennedy
Lee Harvey Oswald assassinated   JFK
Charles J. Guiteau   assassinated  James A. Garfield,  
John Wilkes Booth assassinated Abraham Lincoln

Jim Forsythe

If anyone is crazy enough to want to kill a president of the United States, he can do it. All he must be prepared to do is give his life for the president's. John F. Kennedy

Gary Scoggin

I assume you talked with the shooter and that's what he told you. Otherwise, how would you know at this early stage of the investigation?

Jim Forsythe

 Gabrielle Giffords  belonged to the  Democratic Party. Did the Republicans cause Loughner  to shoot her, of course not.
The true reason for the shooting yesterday, we may never know.

"The man who shot former Arizona Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was unraveling in the months before the rampage, issuing paranoid, expletive-filled Internet rants about government conspiracies, suicide and killing police, according to new law enforcement documents."

Carlos Ponce

Jared Lee Loughner described himself as an Independent, not Republican.

Jim Forsythe

We were both right , and wrong, as he lacked a coherent political philosoph
CBS News found that there was evidence to tie Loughner both to the far left and the far right, noting, “There are also components of Loughner’s belief system that one could tie to the far left – his decision to ‘favorite’ a YouTube video of a burning American flag, the inclusion of the Communist Manifesto on his reading list, his possible adherence to the 9/11 truther’ movement.”
But one expert on the “far-right fringe,” CBS wrote, “picked up on the apparent roots of Loughner’s suggestions that the government was engaging in mind control through grammar – an antigovernment extremist named David Wynn Miller, who ascribes nefarious intent to, among others, the U.S. Postal Service.” Loughner’s bizarre beliefs about currency and the totalitarian state is associated with the far-right Patriot Movement and some of his beliefs seemed to align with the sovereign citizen movement, according to CBS.
Ultimately, the network determined, “It seems illegitimate to tie Loughner to the mainstream right or mainstream left, as his beliefs were well within the realm of the fringe. Indeed, Loughner appears to have simply been a disturbed individual who lacked a coherent political philosophy other than a deep-seated anti-government sentiment.”

Carlos Ponce

Like I posted, "Independent".

Jim Forsythe

A man without a party. He fits in with no party, including the  Independent   party
The political leanings of Jaretsd Loughner, the accused shooter of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ) and 19 others, is "the subject of a white-hot partisan debate," says Chris Cillizza in The Washington Post. Democrats paint him as "an anti-government, Tea Party conservative;" Republicans say his reading list suggests he's a "left-wing wacko." His voter registration doesn't help: He's an independent who didn't vote in the 2010 election. So is Loughner "to the left of Ralph Nader or to the right of Rush Limbaugh," or somewhere else entirely?

Loughner's paranoia is its own ideology: "Forget right or left,"  "Loughner's particular brand of government paranoia" fits in its own, "purely all-American" category. He reportedly thinks the U.S. faked the moon landing, the Federal Reserve is a Jewish plot, and 9/11 was a U.S. job. This "toxic jumble of left- and right-wing conspiracy theories" doesn't fit comfortably in any party.

Carlos Ponce

"He fits in with no party, including the Independent party"
That makes no sense. The Independents have NO party. Independents have no platform except as individuals. That's why they call them INDEPENDENT.

Jim Forsythe

The Independent Party will have no centralized party platform. Each candidate will have their own platform; however, each candidate must agree to support, protect and defend the Constitution of The United States.  Positions on issues like minimum wage, foreign trade agreements, domestic and foreign policy, abortion, privacy rights, legalization of marijuana, would be up to the individual candidate.  At a primary the candidates would explain their own platforms and registered voters of The Independent Party ​would chose a candidate who most appealed to them.  It will be the candidate and the candidate's positions on issues and not the party's positions on issues that will determine the outcome of the election.
http://www.theindependentparty.com/       


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Carlos Ponce

He was an Independent, NOT a member of the Independent Party.

Jim Forsythe

"That makes no sense. The Independents have NO party"

Jim Forsythe

Independent ,in name only.
His voter registration doesn't help: He's an independent who didn't vote in the 2010 election. So is Loughner "to the left of Ralph Nader or to the right of Rush Limbaugh," or somewhere else entirely?

Jarvis Buckley

Daily News it's time you stop all articles regarding politics if their is
the slighted chance some idiot might get incensed & take a violent path.
I know this is not what you want but unfortunately it appears what it has come to. Let's talk about our beautiful island.

Charlotte O'rourke

Admiral Rickover: on the reason the traditional way of naming submarines after fish was changed ...... "Fish don't vote."


Bruce Niebuhr

The government has named naval ships after former U.S. congresspersons. For example, the Nimitz class carrier, USS John C. Stennis (CVN-74), named after the late Democratic Senator from Mississippi, John C. Stennis.

Jarvis Buckley

If you need violence to enforce your liberal ideas. Then your ideas are
worthless.

Curtiss Brown

Eddie, oh pooh

Carlos Ponce

Curtis, Winnie is the Pooh, not Eddie!

Steve Fouga

That should end it, right there...

Mark Stevens

Not so fast, Steve. Let's look ahead. What kind of ship can we name after Donald Trump? How about a garbage scow on the upper reaches of the Potomac?
But Eddie Janek is more than entitled to his opinion. He did not just serve. He lied about his age to get into the Navy, and was (as I recall) part of a beachmaster crew at one of the nastier islands in the Pacific. First boat in, to mark the landing sites. Great way to collect on your GI Insurance.
Hand Salute, Eddie !!!
Mark W. Stevens

Doyle Beard

Trying to spew a little hate. Some guys just cant help it.

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