As a former star scout in Boy Scout Troop No. 238, even with the many years that have passed since, I was appalled at the message that President Trump espoused to the scouts that attended the National Boy Scout Jamboree.

The Boy Scout Jamboree should never have been used for a political rally. Scouts are taught, as we were, to take our oath, slogan, and 12-point law, seriously. Due to the manner in which those young scouts reacted to the president’s disturbing message, they are in need of learning during overnight hikes.

To incite scouts to “boo” former presidents is in direct opposition to the teachings and creed of the Boy Scouts of America.

How long will the conservative evangelical Christians allow this man to drag the teachings of Christ through the mud as he plays Russian roulette with the health care of American citizens? Do they not understand that the Affordable Health Care Act is the law of the land and was named “Obamacare” by someone other than Obama?

Americans, who need the Affordable Health Care Act, don’t care about the name.

We, center left Democrats and many center right Republicans, who respect each other’s views, did not always agree with President Obama’s social issues. However, both groups did have the opportunity to speak out against the views, without fear of reprisal. We all know and understand the teachings of Christ. We also know when the governmental majority attempt to use the teachings of Christ as a way to implement their ungodly principles.

Our state politics seem to be emulating the national political stance on every level; and from my perspective, most especially the closures of school districts in the state. This action by the state officials has put tremendous pressure on our own Texas City Independent School District. There are some residents of Texas City who feel that the former La Marque Independent School District has become a burden on them. To be unequivocally factual, TCISD’s administration had a choice before the annexation occurred. They chose to believe that the “action” was going to bring them $75 million dollars over five years by the state of Texas.

We are now a part of TCISD and share in their problems. The new superintendent must deal with some of the statements that he made, which have followed him here. We are willing to work with him, as we trust and verify. We will not look for favors, only fairness. We will work for a smooth transition, and we will not stand by and listen to negative, degrading talk about our former district.

Unlike our state and national office holders, Republicans and Democrats have come together for our community. The West End Community Organization is working with our local law enforcement agencies as they work with their minority communities. We have organized activities aimed at encouraging our youth. Police chiefs Robert Burby and Kirk Jackson are engaging with the community to sustain and uplift its citizens. Let’s get busy. Talk is cheap.

The Rev. James E. Daniels is founder and chairman of the Eagle’s Nest Community Organization and lives in Texas City.

(32) comments

Carlos Ponce

I think what made Daniels so upset about the National Boy Scout Jamboree was the fact that most of those attending LOVED President Trump with shouts of "We love you President Trump", and repeated chants of "WE LOVE TRUMP!". Trump responded with, "I love you too!" Did he actually INCITE those present to boo President Obama?????? No.
Transcript:
Trump: By the way, just a question. Did President Obama ever come to a jamboree?
Boy Scouts: NO!
To which Trump turns around asking confirmation to the Scout's answer from those on stage.
Trump: And we'll be back, we'll be back. The answer is no, and...but we'll be back.
Boy Scouts then cheer.
How in the world is asking this simple question INSTIGATING? Did he ever ask them to "boo" Obama or even hint at it? NO! It was a question to which I wanted the answer.
Daniels, get your facts straight!

Jarvis Buckley

You start off by saying we can work together. Then you spew out venomous hateful things about our Great President . Obama never spoke to the Boy Scouts. Simply because he didn't like them. What do you expect their reaction to be?

Jim Forsythe

President's not attending  is not unusual as they do have other things that may need attending too.
 President Barack  Obama, President Ronald  Reagan, President James  Carter, Jr.,President Richard Nixon, did not attend!
  President Eisenhower was POTUS during the times of the Third, Fourth & Fifth National Jamborees in 1953, 1957 & 1960. He only attended the Fifth National Jamboree in Colorado Springs in 1960. 
There have been 14 different men holding the position of POTUS since the First National Jamboree. Two of those men, Presidents John F. Kennedy and Gerald R. Ford, were unable to attend a BSA National Jamboree while in office as no event occurred during their terms. Of the remaining 12 men, only 8 visited a BSA National Jamboree while in office

Walter Manuel

“We will work for a smooth transition, and we will not stand by and listen to negative, degrading talk about our former district”. Oh it seems Mr. Daniel’s doesn’t want to be reminded that his friends on the former LMISD BOT had a choice to walk away from their seats and force TEA to take over in order to save “OUR” school district, but instead they ALL chose for TEA to close/consolidate LMISD with TCISD because of the BOT and district's continuous poor academic and financial performance.

“They chose to believe that the “action” was going to bring them $75 million dollars over five years by the state of Texas”. Unless Mr. Daniel’s is a psychic or has a crystal ball telling him this, then obviously as usual, he is making stuff up in order to support his own personal agenda. It’s my understanding that it was almost a year later that TCISD found out that they were going to be given this “75 million” from TEA.

If TCISD is ever going to be truly successful with this consolidation, then those so-called community activists like Daniels need to find another cause to fight for because obviously he feels that the POOR job performance by Nakisha Paul the former president of the board of LMISD deserved to serve on the TCISD BOT. That move makes about as much sense as Mr. Daniels' fight for making sure “our community” is equally represented!

What is mean’t by “our community” Mr. Daniels? The African American community or the community as a whole? I truly hope that you are NOT suggesting the African American community because that would come across as being racist and degrading to the African American community. “Our community” should include all members of the community which is made of many races not just the African American community.

If Daniels wants to truly “work together” then he MUST refrain from segregating communty members based on the color of one's skin and be inclusive of everyone or his point is mute.

IMHO, Daniels is the problem stalling the African American community from being "equally and fairly" treated when his ideations are those that existed back in the 1950's.

Daniel's, you need to open your eyes and see that the African American race has gained many strides with their own accomplishments and the last thing that they certainly do not need is someone like you taking away from their true accomplishments by constantly living in the past.

This way of life and way of living serves NO good purpose for anyone other than Daniels himself. [yawn]

Gary Scoggin

Good points, Walter. For someone wanting to "work together", Mr. Daniels' comments sure seen divisive.

Jim Forsythe

Jamboree's and camporee's are not a place for political rhetoric. To try and interject It into a function that celebrates the Scouting way of life, is wrong. The boys and the leaders that spent thousands of dollars each, to  attend this wonderful event, they did not need this type of political rhetoric, that is in direct conflict with what Boy Scouts stand for.

Telling the truth is one of the things that the Boy Scouts stand for .
"In an interview with the Wall Street Journal last week Trump challenged a reporter who characterized reaction to his speech as “mixed.” The president boasted to the news outlet that the “head” of the organization called him to say it was the “greatest speech that was ever made to them.” 
"On Wednesday, the Boy Scouts of America said it was not aware of any call from its national leadership to Mr. Trump. In a statement, the organization said that an earlier statement from Michael Surbaugh, the organization’s chief, apologizing to scouts for Mr. Trump’s speech, “speaks for itself.” Mr. Surbaugh had expressed regret to those who were “offended by the political rhetoric that was inserted into the jamboree.’’
"Sarah Huckabee Sanders, the White House press secretary, confirmed at her daily briefing what the Boy Scouts and the Mexican government had already asserted publicly, which is that neither phone call that Mr. Trump referred to had occurred."

Carlos Ponce

The Scouts enjoyed President Trump's speech. So why the hate, Jim?

Jim Forsythe

Scouting and politics should not be combined.

Carlos Ponce

The BSA leaders KNEW his speech was going to be political. They ALLOWED it.
“Anyone knows his speeches get highly political — we anticipated that this could be the case,” Boy Scout President Randall Stephenson said. “We are not to going to censor or edit the president of the United States. That’s beyond our pay grade regardless of who it is.”
From "AP Exclusive: Boy Scouts chief expected a fiery Trump speech"

Jarvis Buckley

Jim if you listened to the speech you would have heard the Boy Scouts yelling "We Love You" through his entire speech.

Jim Forsythe

The shouting you heard is not uncommon from Boy scouts, as they will cheer for almost anything, just to make noise. If he would have told the story of  Red Eye, they would have been louder

Carlos Ponce

"The shouting you heard is not uncommon from Boy scouts..." So the Boy Scouts usually shout, "I love you President Trump!" and chant "We love Trump!" at rallies. Interesting.....and perceptive since he loves them too. Did you ever tell your scouts you loved them, Jim?

Jim Forsythe

"The shouting you heard is not uncommon from Boy scouts..." So the Boy Scouts usually shout, "I love you President Trump!" and chant "We love Trump!" at rallies. Interesting.....and perceptive since he loves them too. Did you ever tell your scouts you loved them, Jim?


The shouting you heard is not uncommon from Boy scouts, as they will cheer for almost anything, just to make noise. If he would have told the story of  Red Eye, they would have been louder.

The shouting you heard is not uncommon from Boy scouts..." So the Boy Scouts usually shout, "I love you President Trump!" and chant "We love Trump!" at rallies. Interesting

"The shouting you heard is not uncommon from Boy scouts"  the shouting was just not that loud for 45 thousand scouts.
When I was in charge of the Cub-o-ree  and had 1200 at campfire. they were  louder per scout.
If he had ended the speech a lot earlier ,he would have had a better speech. 38 minutes is to long for boys, that have other things they
would like to be doing such as skateboarding , zip lining , basketball, four squares.
Most of the boys were from 11 to 18 years old and do not care for long winded speeches. Most of the scouts did not have any idea what he was talking about in the last part of his speech.. 

"perceptive since he loves them too" What kind of love are you talking about, since he did not know most,  if not any of the scouts?
Just saying one loves some one, does not make it so.,

"The Chief Scout Executive for the Boy Scouts of America apologized Thursday to anyone in the scouting community who may have been offended or alarmed by President Donald Trump's speech at the organization's National Jamboree earlier this week.
"I want to extend my sincere apologies to those in our Scouting family who were offended by the political rhetoric that was inserted into the jamboree," Michael Surbaugh wrote in a statement. "For years, people have called upon us to take a position on political issues, and we have steadfastly remained non-partisan and refused to comment on political matters. We sincerely regret that politics were inserted into the Scouting program."

George Croix

The Scouts disagreed with you, Jim, old friend...[beam]
The Scouts have been hammered by leftist political activism protesting what they believe in for years....time to let the teeter do a bit of tottering in the other direction...

As for 'working together'....my my my....considering the results of how an always identity politics based concept of 'working together' ended up leading to costly monuments to What Never Was and the ultimate dissolving of a once good school district...well....an adviser should take their own advise first.....

Kim Baldwin

Persons not insured under the Affordable Care Act & do not have to deal with the premiums, high dollar annual deductibles ($2,500 & up) and maximum annual out of pocket costs ($5,000 & up) should not comment about it. What Obamacare did to the medical insurance coverage of working people is an abomination!

Jim Forsythe

National Jamboree is one of the biggest, if not the biggest event, in scouting. 

George , all the years I was in Scouting, 10 as a adult and 7 as a youth, not one  time was politics part of it
National Jamboree is a time for youthful joy, and not Democrats vs Republican's.
Most boys in scouts just want to camp, shoot guns, horseback ride, cook, campfires, swim, do skits, rafting,canoeing and kayaking, fishing ,rock climbing, and much more.
Not once did any of my scouts  when I was a  the leader or as a youth, was politics  talked about.
The politics you are talking about , has nothing to do with Jamboree, and day to day scouting.

 He did not talk to the group in front of him who only wanted to hear about scouting and not politics. The shouting you heard is not uncommon from Boy scouts, as they will cheer for almost anything, just to make noise. If he would have told the story of  Red Eye, they would have been louder.

Points from Trump speech, Analyzed by Chris Cillizza CNN Editor-at-large
 "I said, 'Who the hell wants to speak about politics when I'm in front of the Boy Scouts?' Right?"
Trump, apparently. He spent the VAST majority of this speech jabbing at his political foes and recounting his 2016 successes.

 "Today, I said we ought to change it from the word 'swamp' to the word 'cesspool' or, perhaps, to the word 'sewer.'"
Remember: "Who the hell wants to speak about politics when I'm in front of the Boy Scouts?"

 "I'll tell you a story that's very interesting for me when I was young. There was a man named William Levitt -- Levittowns, you have some here, you have some in different states."
This is my favorite part of the entire Trump speech. He regales a crowd of kids -- most of whom are teenagers -- about life in New York in the post-World War II age. Nothing like knowing your audience! 

"I saw him at a cocktail party, and it was very sad because the hottest people in New York were at this party."
Again, Trump is speaking to a crowd of teenagers. And recounting his glory days in New York City high society -- decades before they were even born. 

"But do you remember that incredible night with the maps and the Republicans are red and the Democrats are blue, and that map was so red, it was unbelievable, and they didn't know what to say?"
ICYMI: Donald Trump won the 2016 election, winning 304 out of a possible 538 electoral votes. That election was 260 days ago.
(What does this have to do with scouting?)

And you know we have a tremendous disadvantage in the Electoral College -- popular vote is much easier."
"Who the hell wants to speak about politics when I'm in front of the Boy Scouts?"

"I went to Maine four times because it's one vote, and we won. But we won -- one vote. I went there because I kept hearing we're at 269."
He's speaking to teenagers gathered for their annual Jamboree (every 4 years) in West Virginia. And he's talking about how Maine splits its two electoral votes by congressional district

"So I have to tell you what we did, in all fairness, is an unbelievable tribute to you and all of the other millions and millions of people that came out and voted for Make America Great Again."
Most of the people who were in the audience weren't 18 in 2016 and, therefore, did not vote to Make America Great Again.

Carlos Ponce

Which in office presidents spoke at Boy Scout Jamborees you attended, Jim?

Jim Forsythe

Not all adults nor all scouts get to go
I was unable to attend as a boy as we did not have the money
As a adult i was not selected.
Each council has a  troop comprises of  four adults (a Scoutmaster, and three assistant Scoutmasters) and 36 youth in four traditional patrols of eight boys each, plus a leadership corps of four older boys (senior patrol leader, assistant senior patrol leader, quartermaster, and scribe). .
The Scoutmaster and one assistant Scoutmaster must be over 21, and another assistant Scoutmaster must be between 18 and 21 throughout the jamboree. The final assistant Scoutmaster may be any age over 18.

Local council committees typically have volunteer members responsible for finance, fundraising, training, recruitment, transportation, touring while en route to the jamboree site, and other functions where appropriate.
Attending the jamboree is an intensive and expensive process.

George Croix

Jim, you, like me, are OLD...and evidently privileged, too, or so one guy says....[beam]
It's easy to find examples of the denigration of Scouting by The Usual Left Wing Suspects...if that ain't political...it's "close enough"....[smile]

Jim Forsythe

George, we may be talking about two different things.
Jamborees, camp-o-rees, cub-o-rees are different from the politics that the National office in Dallas  Fort worth has to deal with.
Most if not all of the events are  leaders driven and not the professionals from the national office .
The only time I had contact with the National office was to talk to them about changing the requirements for a merit badge.
When I was in charge of Cub-o-ree  I was the one that made the call on what the event was going to be. I did have to follow
guidelines, but having a  good cub-o-ree or having failure was up to me, and the other leaders
Of the Thousands of hours that I logged as a leader, not once do I remember talking about politics . 

George Croix

Jim, if it's considered political for the President of the United States to speak to young men and boys who will one day be running the place themselves, then OK it's political.
Too bad the last occupant of 1600 Penn. Ave. didn't give a rhymes with spit about them, unless maybe they joined some 'activist' group or whatever...
I just don't see the problem here.
Just like teaching kids about firearms so they can be responsible around them, kids need to be taught about our government and it's functions, good or bad, so they don't fall for the crap about 'America is bad' that has been the political norm too often...
imo....
Don't want any political contact...then I suppose the Boy Scouts of The Desert islands is the place to go....[smile]

Cary Semar

Brendan Beahan, I am told, once said that he did not want to live in a country ruled by a horse's ass. He was referring to Franco's Spain.

However, I can say from experience that it is not as bad as it sounds.

George Croix

I agree.
I survived 8 years of Obama with only a few hundred thousand bucks lost....I consider myself lucky.... [beam][beam]

Cary Semar

So you did not move to Canada? Good for you. Neither will I.

George Croix

Nah...unlike so many 'progressives' I know of who damn this country while living large off of it and swear to leave it if their chosen idol isn't victorious, I have not now and never will threaten to leave it...no matter who's the honcho in DC....
I may reconsider if the current occupant on casa blanca starts saying "Let me be clear" and "Period"....fool us once.....[wink]
Glad you're staying....this, too, shall pass.....
Right now, I'm pretty happy with the 'changes to the fundamental changes', even if I don't go into a swoon over the Changer in Chief....

Carlos Ponce

“Anyone knows his speeches get highly political — we anticipated that this could be the case,” Boy Scout President Randall Stephenson said. “We are not to going to censor or edit the president of the United States. That’s beyond our pay grade regardless of who it is.”
From "AP Exclusive: Boy Scouts chief expected a fiery Trump speech"

Jim Forsythe


What you saw at the Jamboree , was the Scout Law in action.
"You can help make the president's visit a success by ensuring that any reactions to the president's address are, as we state in our Scout Law, friendly, courteous, and kind," the guidance said. "

Carlos Ponce

Jim Forsythe Aug 3, 2017 10:15am posted:
"Telling the truth is one of the things that the Boy Scouts stand for ."
So when they chanted "WE LOVE TRUMP!" and inividually "We love you President Trump!" they must have been telling the truth, over 30,000 Scouts.

Jim Forsythe

When dealing with young men , they may not follow what they have had guidance for.
 Of over 30,000 ,how many scouts were saying this? No telling how long they were required to sit, because of the added security .
Add this to a long speech ( 38 Min.) and all bets are off on what they will do.

"Please help us ensure that all Scouts can enjoy this historical address by making sure that your troop members are respectful not only of the president, but of the wide variety of viewpoints held by Scouts and Scouters in the audience tonight," the guidance said.
Stephenson, who was not in attendance at Trump's speech, said the guidance wasn't followed impeccably.
"There were some areas where perhaps they were not in compliance with what we instructed," he said. "There's probably criticism that could be leveled."

As honoree head of the Boy Scouts he should have had a speech that was geared towards the young men he was talking to.
Some of the boys howled, as boys do, but some of their parents didn't seem too pleased, based on the comments on the Boy Scouts of America's Facebook page.Here are some things parents are saying on the BSA Facebook

Amanda Berk "The Boy Scouts of America must not, through its governing body or through any of its officers, chartered councils, Scouters or members involve scouting in any political matters." Boy Scouts membership book.

Jane Horan It was completely disrespectful and against the Boy Scouts Code of Ethics and Values. Where does a political speech, lampooning a former President and suggesting to fire, Mr. Price, the head of Health and Human Service align with being : "trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent." ? The Chief Scout Officer, Michael Surbaugh should send an apology to everyone.

Eric Weiler As a Eagle Scout, I am appalled that the BSA allows some one that shows no respect what so ever for the scout law to turn the Jamboree into another selfish bragging political rally

Carlos Ponce

"Of over 30,000 ,how many scouts were saying this?" Over 30,000.

George Croix

When we started becoming a nation where a few people's, or worse, one's, personal opinion(s) could make all the thousands/millions others jump through hoops was when we started the downhill roll.....
If somebody was giving away hundred dollar bills there would be SOMEBODY complaining it wasn't thousand dollar bills.....and then nobody would get anything, lest someone be 'offended'....
Show a majority as being complainants, and the point is made. Show a few, and the pointless is made....
imo

Doyle Beard

Is this guy for real???????????

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