Thousands of people across the nation rallied and marched Saturday in support of stricter gun control. In Galveston, about 200 adults and students held a rally at Fort Crockett Park on the seawall.

What’s remarkable is that while adults attended the rallies, the events often were led and organized by young people. What’s more remarkable, is that some adults on social media and public forums derided and sometimes mocked the young people in some particularly nasty, name-calling ways and concocted material meant to undermine the students’ credibility.

There’s the doctored animation of Emma González, 18, a Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School senior, tearing the U.S. Constitution in half, for example. That doctored image circulated on social media during the rally, after it was lifted from a Teen Vogue story about teenage activists, according to reports.

In the real image, González is ripping apart a shooting target, according to reports.

González also has been targeted for wearing a Cuban flag patch sewn on her jacket, which she said is a tribute to her heritage, but incited accusations that she’s a communist.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, there’s Kyle Kashuv, 16, who visited President Trump and five Republican U.S. senators just three weeks after the killings to offer alternatives in the debate, according to reports.

As some Marjory Stoneman Douglas students fight for legislation to limit access to guns, particularly AR-15s — the type used in the school shooting — Kashuv wants to talk about other ways to combat gun violence.

He argues his message is being drowned out by his peers and the media, which also is a shame.

This weekend, Kashuv told the Sunday morning political interview show “Face the Nation” he wasn’t invited to Saturday’s march.

“I’m here for one very simple reason, I don’t want to see this ever happen again,” he said during the show. “And what I saw at the march yesterday, which really frustrated me, is that I have a differing point of view, but what really concerned me was that how come I wasn’t invited to speak at the march because, as Americans, we all have different points of views and it’s important to represent them all equally.”

Some conspiracy theorists have posited that teenagers were being manipulated and their marches are financed by left-wing, anti-gun activists.

Somehow, to those critics, it was beyond the realm of possibility that participants of the March for Our Lives rallies were genuinely inspired to act by the shooting last month that killed 17 people.

It’s true there’s money behind the gun control movement.

“Major organizational muscle behind the march, both in Washington and in cities nationwide, comes from two well-known gun control advocacy groups, neither of which has a history of violent behavior,” according to PolitiFact, owned by the nonprofit Poynter Institute for Media Studies. “A number of related organizations have lent their support, including the Episcopal Diocese of Washington and celebrity donors have given millions of dollars.”

But isn’t it also true that the NRA pumps a lot of money behind its own cause? It’s not all that surprising nor sinister.

The point is, none of us has to agree with these students. But we could listen to both sides like adults, without the usual bitter partisan politics and asinine rhetoric.

In these pages, we have long argued that there’s no statistical link to the number of guns in private hands and the homicide rate, and we’ve argued that bans on particular weapons or accessories are probably not going to be effective. We respect the Second Amendment and would fight to protect it.

But some people treat the Second Amendment with an almost religious deference while hardly managing to muster passing courtesy for the First Amendment as they use dirty tricks to silence debate.

This debate will benefit neither from demonization on the right nor shunning on the left nor propagandizing from either extreme.

We should encourage and applaud students exercising their First Amendment rights and their fight to go to school without fear. For many, it’s their first introduction — outside a textbook — to democracy. We should encourage them to engage in productive debate and discussions, something sorely missing these days.

Just because they’re young, doesn’t mean they’re off limits to criticism. But the reality is, they are young and we should keep it civil.

Because if adults can’t set an example, who will?

• Laura Elder

 Laura Elder: 409-683-5248; laura.elder@galvnews.com

(45) comments

Randy Chapman

They are still children with no life experiences to qualify their beliefs.

Jim Forsythe

We have a president that uses profanity, and it is OK?
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=trump+cursing+in+speeches&view=detail&mid=11244948C84B52971E0411244948C84B52971E04&FORM=VIRE
David Hogg made the following statement.
To elected officials I say this: Don't lie to us. Don't make any more false promises, because when you do, children die.
For the unfortunate individuals that were at my school, I ask that this be a time of togetherness, and something that is going to be always remembered, not only as a terrible incident, but as a turning point in American history, where students speak up and speak out when the politicians won't.
For the unfortunate individuals that were at my school, I ask that this be a time of togetherness, and something that is going to be always remembered, not only as a terrible incident, but as a turning point in American history, where students speak up and speak out when the politicians won't.
I understand the importance of interest groups, and how often times they're necessary to continue a political agenda. However, when that agenda involves putting the lives of children at risk, how can you justify that?
I support the Second Amendment. But for God's sake, how can we knowingly pass bills and laws that are in direct opposition to saving kids' lives? Sandy Hook … the Pulse nightclub shooting … the Las Vegas shootings, just to name a few.
What legislation was passed in response? The answer to that question is, little, if any.

Carlos Ponce

To compare the mild profanity used by Presidents Obama and Trump to dropping the f-Bomb as David Hogg did is sheer lunacy.
Did either president use the f-bomb in public ? No.
(Joe Biden did but he's VP Uncle Joe)
Count the number of times David Hogg used the word:
"When your old-a** parent is like, ‘I don’t know how to send an iMessage,’ and you’re just like, ‘Give me the f**king phone and let me handle it.’ Sadly, that’s what we have to do with our government; our parents don’t know how to use a f**ing democracy, so we have to.
"It just makes me think what sick f**kers out there want to continue to sell more guns, murder more children, and honestly just get reelected. "What type of sh*tty person does that? And they can practice their Second Amendment rights all they want. I don't give a f**k about that."
Would you tell your parents "Give me the f**king phone"?

Emile Pope

Garbage. To try and compare the extreme profanity used by Trump to words spoken by President Obama and Hogg is ridiculous. And since when is acceptable to hold a high school student to the high (used to be) standards of the President. More false equivalencies and blather...

Carlos Ponce

Emile, neither Obama nor Trump used the F-bomb - but Biden and Hogg did.

Emile Pope

More garbage...Trump used the word MF...and SOB...

Carlos Ponce

SOB is considered mild, allowed on network TV. And about MF, please examine what I posted. I will emphasize that which is eluding you.
"To compare the mild profanity used by PRESIDENTS Obama and Trump to dropping the f-Bomb as David Hogg did is sheer lunacy.
Did either PRESIDENT use the f-bomb in public ? No."

Emile Pope

????
So it was okay for Trump to say MF and other profanities because he wasn't president yet? Hogg isn't president! Why is it okay for Trump to say such things but Hogg can't? Hypocrisy of course...

Jim Forsythe

If this is how you want your President to speak, fine, but it is not how I want my President to be talking, when he speaks on the World Stage.
These of is just a few examples of Trumps profanity. I can provide more.
At a Las Vegas casino that bears his name, Trump assured a crowd of adoring supporters that he is seriously weighing a presidential run and will make a decision soon.During a 30-minute stump speech focused mostly on foreign affairs, Trump blasted Obama's handling of Libya, Iraq, China and Afghanistan, and in one of his many curse-bombs, he lamented the nation's focus on building schools in war-torn Iraq, while neglecting education in the United States.
Below is part of that speech.
"In the meantime we can't get a f---ing school in Brooklyn," he said.
He also cursed the spike in gas prices: "We have nobody in Washington that sits back and said, you're not going to raise that f---ing price."
Trump even dropped what's considered the most offensive f-bomb when he promised to use swear words while negotiating with China.
"Listen you mother f---ers, we're going to tax you 25 percent," he said.
Trump also sprinkled in a number of insults directed toward the nation's leaders.
"Our leaders are stupid, they are stupid people," he said. "It's just very, very sad."
Another example.
We’re gonna bring businesses back. We’re gonna have businesses that used to be in New Hampshire, that are now in Mexico, come back to New Hampshire, and you can tell them to go f**k themselves! Because they let you down, and they left!
Just one more example. Video at the bottom of link.
thefederalist.com/2016/02/26/watch-trump-drop-the-f-bomb-5-times-in-74-seconds/


Carlos Ponce

Emile, Jim brought up presidents in the first place, not I. Gutter mouthed David Hogg can't say a speech without throwing out multiple f-bombs. All I posted was that they could use a better spokesman for their cause. Using an occasional expletive like Obama and Trump doesn't compare. If you think it does, that sounds like a personal problem to me.

Jim Forsythe

David Hogg is a student that just lost his class mates. He is mad that nothing is being done to fix the problem. He has called for mental health reforms and common sense gun reforms. Setting on the sideline is no longer what he is
going to do.
Just a reminder that you said .
Carlos Ponce Mar 27, 2018 8:25am
"To compare the mild profanity used by Presidents Obama and Trump to dropping the f-Bomb as David Hogg did is sheer lunacy.
Did either president use the f-bomb in public ? No "
Trump has used the f-bomb many times , so your statement is not true!

Carlos said "Gutter mouthed David Hogg can't say a speech without throwing out multiple f-bombs" is not true .Below are examples from David Hogg. If you want more I will provide.
“We’re children. You guys are the adults. You need to take some action and play a role. Work together, come over your politics, and get something done.”
“I was really thinking about, ‘What has my impact been? What have any of our impacts been?’… I thought to myself, ‘If I die today, I want my impact to be — if I die I want to tell a good story.’
“I want to show these people exactly what’s going on when these children are facing bullets flying through classrooms and students are dying trying to get an education. That’s not OK, and that’s not acceptable and we need to fix that.”

David Hogg made the following statement.
"To elected officials I say this: Don't lie to us. Don't make any more false promises, because when you do, children die.
For the unfortunate individuals that were at my school, I ask that this be a time of togetherness, and something that is going to be always remembered, not only as a terrible incident, but as a turning point in American history, where students speak up and speak out when the politicians won't.
For the unfortunate individuals that were at my school, I ask that this be a time of togetherness, and something that is going to be always remembered, not only as a terrible incident, but as a turning point in American history, where students speak up and speak out when the politicians won't.
I understand the importance of interest groups, and how often times they're necessary to continue a political agenda. However, when that agenda involves putting the lives of children at risk, how can you justify that?
I support the Second Amendment. But for God's sake, how can we knowingly pass bills and laws that are in direct opposition to saving kids' lives? Sandy Hook … the Pulse nightclub shooting … the Las Vegas shootings, just to name a few. "

Jim Forsythe

Carlos Ponce Mar 28, 2018 8:16am
"Emile, Jim brought up presidents in the first place, not I."
Again not true , as you talked about the F bombs first. Check the time stamp. Even if I had said that first , you did not have to responded.

Carlos Ponce Mar 27, 2018 6:42am
Someone should tell David Hogg, 17-year-old senior at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, that using the f-bomb in public as frequent as he does is causing some of the demonizing
Jim Forsythe Mar 27, 2018 7:59am
We have a president that uses profanity, and it is OK?

Carlos Ponce

David Hogg is not the only survivor in that High School shooting. There are others, more articulate students who take the view that gun control is not the answer. But you won't hear that on Leftist media.
Patrick Petty, brother of Alaina Petty who was killed by Nikolas Cruz is urging gun control proponents not to use his sister's name in their endeavor to secure gun control. Alaina was a member of the JROTC as were several of those killed.
Colton Haab another JROTC member provided kevlar sheets to protect 60 fellow stuudents was once considered a hero but because he said gun control is not the answer has been demonized by the Leftist press.

Carlos Ponce

"We have a president that uses profanity, and it is OK?"
Trump uses profanity, so did Obama, so did Bill Clinton, so did George W. Bush. Nixon is known for his use of profanity as is Johnson and Truman. Even presidential candidates like Hillary Clinton are known for their use of colorful metaphors. But you won't hear anything about it from the biased Leftist media.

Jim Forsythe

Emma González reads the list of people killed at her school and Alaina Petty brother is upset because of this. This is not unusual, and happens a lot to surviving family members. Would he have been upset, if Emma Gonzáez would have omitted her name?
"Student activist Emma González led an emotional moment of silence at the "March for Our Lives" rally in Washington Saturday. The moment of silence lasted for 6 minutes and 20 seconds -- the duration of the gunman's rampage in Parkland, Florida. Chin high and tears streaming, González stood silent in front of thousands gathered for the event.
After calling out all 17 students' names, she led a long moment of silence that concluded her first 6 minutes, 20 seconds on stage."

Part of the reason Colton did not get more press, may have been that he did not start a march in favor of his views.
Why did the press stop interviewing Cotton haab.. What new did he have to add. Why would he want to be interviewed by FAKE news ?
Maybe this had something to do with it with his lack of press.
Colton Haab’s dad admits omitting words in email about CNN town hall ‘scripted’ question argument
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=colton+haab+video&&view=detail&mid=9C98113DDABED695BC039C98113DDABED695BC03&&FORM=VDRVRV

Jim Forsythe

Which is it Carlos, Trump uses the F bomb or not . You can not have it both ways.
Carlos Ponce said on Mar 27, 2018 8:25am.
"To compare the mild profanity used by Presidents Obama and Trump to dropping the f-Bomb as David Hogg did is sheer lunacy.
Did either president use the f-bomb in public ? No "
Today. "Trump uses profanity". Are you including the f-bomb ?
If it is OK with you, that our President talks like he does mocks and makes fun of others, great for you. If it is Ok that he make fun of leaders from other countries great for you. I hold all Presidents to a higher standard than that

Carlos Ponce

"Which is it Carlos, Trump uses the F bomb or not . You can not have it both ways.'
READ MY POST. PRESIDENT Trump does not use the F-bomb. While he is president, PRESIDENT OBAMA did not use the F-bomb. Citizen Donald Trump and Senator Barack Obama did use the expletive. VICE - PRESIDENT Joe Biden used the F-Bomb and the audio was captured. Do you get it, now????
Now to make my post plainer, someone should tell David Hogg to quit using it and avoid being "demonized" as the article states. When he rattles off F-Bomb, F-Bomb, F-Bomb, F-Bomb, F-Bomb in a speech, the message gets lost.

Carlos Ponce

Someone should tell David Hogg, 17-year-old senior at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, that using the f-bomb in public as frequent as he does is causing some of the demonizing. You really can't hear his message if every other word is bleeped. Not a good spokesman for their cause.
Example of one of his quotes: "When your old-a** parent is like, ‘I don’t know how to send an iMessage,’ and you’re just like, ‘Give me the f***ing phone and let me handle it.’ Sadly, that’s what we have to do with our government; our parents don’t know how to use a f***ing democracy, so we have to."
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/03/23/david_hogg_our_parents_dont_know_how_to_use_a_fcking_democracy_so_we_have_to.html
He comes across as a spoiled brat. So sad.[sad]

Jim Forsythe

We preach too the young people to get involved, and make a difference. When they do we say , you are too young.
“One learns from books and example only that certain things can be done. Actual learning requires that you do those things.”
― Frank Herbert, Children of Dune

The students that have spearheaded this movement, are trying to overcome the adults saying stay quite, we know what is best for you, and we will change nothing about your safety at school. Fear is a great motivator .
“If you are driven by fear, anger or pride nature will force you to compete. If you are guided by courage, awareness, tranquility and peace nature will serve you.”
― Amit Ray, Nonviolence: The Transforming Power

Even the young, have a memory of students dying. They have hope of change.
“Old folks live on memory, young folk live on hope.”
― Gayla Reid, All the Seas of the World

The young people have a choice, stay quite and nothing changes, or get involved.
“Only people can change people”
― Michele Amitrani, Omnilogos


Carlos Ponce

"How sharper than a serpent's tooth it is to have a thankless child!" King Lear Act 1, scene 4 William Shakespeare

Jim Forsythe

For the one's taking action.
"Action is eloquence."
—Volumnia in Coriolanus
Hope, trump's non action.
"The miserable have no other medicine, but only hope."
—Claudio in Measure for Measure
“True hope is swift, and flies with swallow's wings.”
― William Shakespeare

What would Mercutio have done?
“If there really had been a Mercutio, and if there really were a Paradise, Mercutio might be hanging out with teenage Vietnam draftee casualties now, talking about what it felt like to die for other people's vanity and foolishness.”
― Kurt Vonnegut, Hocus Pocus


Jim Guidry

I commend these young people for voicing their opinions. That is what America is all about, more power to them. But, in this instance, I am not hearing any real "solutions". I hear a lot of NRA-demonizing chants, but not one shred of real change that could have stopped any of the "mass" shootings. Bans do not work, (Prohibition, War on Drugs, etc), bad people will always find weapons. Background checks, already got them. Mental health issue? Tough to define.
More adults would be supportive of these kids if they were offering real solutions, instead of just chanting and marching and leaving trash in their path.

Kelly Naschke

Well said Jim.

Jim Forsythe

Thank you Kelly.

Jim Forsythe

They are asking the adults to do something. More can be done, but the adults are the ones that have the power.

Emile Pope

And yet we keep the drug law. Are you proposing that we eliminate laws simply because some people break them? NRA talking points are not the solution. Because the NRA "solution" is to do nothing at all...

Carlos Ponce

No Emile, ENFORCE the laws on the books. If the laws ALREADY on the books had been enforced, Nikolas Cruz could never have legally purchased a firearm. But the superintendent and sheriff didn't want any of Nikolas' actions on the record. In return the school district got more Obama grants to the tune of MILLIONS under the Promise Project.

Emile Pope

So the drug problem is because the laws today aren't being enforced????? More NRA hogwash...

Carlos Ponce

Emile, look at the facts. Just look at the facts.

Diane Turski

I also hope that they will vote their passions in Nov. and beyond! I think that is what their adult criticizers are really afraid of! The baby boomer generation created positive changes by their activism and sheer numbers while also being demonized by the same types of detractors. These young people are the next large enough group to create positive changes now. Power to the people!

Carlos Ponce

Dianne posts "Power to the people!" and I agree. Too much power has been turned over to the government. And Liberals want more power given to the government. I'm glad Diane believes in the rights of the governed as defined by the US Constitution.

Raymond Lewis

Good piece Ms. Elder.

Gary Miller

More than thousands! Estimates of the total numbers is 2 million. Great that so many put down their devices long enough to get involved. Sad that 2 million is only 0.35 percent of the population, less than half the NRA membership and a third were adult ,liberal organizers. What we learned was what George Sorus and the Progressives want. Disarm the honest to empower the criminal.

Jim Forsythe

What we are doing now is not working. We can try to change things , or wait for the next to die.
The March for life was not meant to solve the problems, but to Energize people into action.

Carlos Ponce

"What we are doing now is not working." When those in charge ignore the rules on the books then I agree - "that's not working".
If the rules had been followed -
Nikolas Cruz could not have legally purchased a firearm.
If the rules had been followed -
Devin Patrick Kelley (Sutherland Church killer could not have legally purchased a firearm.
Obey the rules, and the 17 killed in Parkland, Florida and the 27 killed in Sutherland, Texas would still be alive.

Emile Pope

Really? Then I guess the Las Vegas shooting would not have happened? The one in the nightclub in Florida? The shooting of the cops in Dallas? Your position that if the gun purchasing laws had been followed mass shootings would not have occurred is useless...

Carlos Ponce

We still don't know much about the Las Vegas shootings so making presumptions is not really possible.

Stephanie Martin

I think there is far more behind these protests than just the students. Who paid for the buses, food, and the general logistics to get this going?

Jim Forsythe

Some people donated a huge amount , and some donated small amounts. Some parents paid for the trip and some marchers, used money from their jobs. Some carpooled, if funds were low, to keep the cost down.
Oprah Winfrey
✔ @Oprah
George and Amal, I couldn’t agree with you more. I am joining forces with you and will match your $500,000 donation to ‘March For Our Lives.’ These inspiring young people remind me of the Freedom Riders of the 60s who also said we’ve had ENOUGH and our voices will be hear
Oprah Winfrey and Steven Spielberg have joined a growing list of Hollywood celebrities to follow George and Amal Clooney in donating to the upcoming “March for Our Lives”
.

Keith Gray

"March for Our Lives"??? So that means they will march for the thousands of unborn children whose lives are taken in the name of choice??? If not, I heard the chants, and it more of March for Our Lies...

Sharon Stratman

I saw one poster carried by a tween that said, "If I were a fetus, would you listen to me then?"

Jim Forsythe

"March for Our Lives" and March for life are two different marches. You may want to attend the March for Life, as it is an annual rally protesting both the practice and legality of abortion, held in Washington, D.C. on or around the anniversary of Roe v. Wade, a landmark decision which was issued in 1973 by the United States Supreme Court decriminalizing abortion.

Paul Hyatt

What these students are marching for is lunacy and shows me that NONE of them have a clue about why the 2nd Amendment was put in there to begin with and it was NOT for hunting so that we could feed our families. It is amazing to me how little about our nations history is being taught anymore to the children in this nation. They have no clue about our heritage nor how and why this nation was founded and built upon. What is really sad is that there are so many on this forum who I know to be my age and in some cases older and they too have no clue about the history of this nation and what they are asking for is pure lunacy. Laura Elder has to be counted in that category else she would not have written this article the way that she did.
The 2nd Amendment was put in the Constitution so that We The People could protect themselves from an over reaching government that they knew we might one day face. They put in there no limits on what you could own or who could buy them nor did they in their infinite wisdom set up STUPID Gun Free Zones which IMHO invites idiots and fools to come and do what they may as they know that there are no one their most of the time who can or will stop them.
All I can say to you who hate guns and hate the idea that We The People can and are allowed to own them is get over yourselves.
When a conservative doesn't like guns he doesn't buy them, when a progressive liberal hates guns they demand that everyone give up their guns.
When a conservative doesn't like religion or God they do not go to Church or listen to any sermons, when a progressive liberal doesn't like religion or God then they demand that His name or anything about Him be allowed anywhere. (that is how God has been removed from our schools)
When conservatives don't like salt they don't use it, when progressive liberals don't like salt they demand that all have to stop using it.
Why is the world so blind to what the progressives are doing? The claim to love children and yet the media and the progressives continue to slaughter them upon the altar of convenience that they call "Choice".... Children are only pawns in their game to control the masses, as they really could care less about them....

Paul Hyatt

What the left wing media and their progressive masters do not want to tell the masses is that they want to take our nation to the point where Venezuela is. They were disarmed and now they have no way to stop the insanity that they are living through at this moment. When China, Germany, Russia, Zimbabwe and a host of other nations disarmed their people history used to teach that is when their Federal governments changed and became overbearing and evil to their people, and the people had no way to fight back.
I know this is an insane idea and the progressives will never allow it, but if they would put God back in our schools, our government and even our Church's then this nation might have a very good chance of coming back to our senses, just like it says in 2 Chron. 7:14.... What the shame of it is though is that the progressives hate God so much that they will never allow Him back and they have packed the courts in such a way as it can never happen again until Christ returns for His people....

Carol Dean

Carlos, one thing my daddy taught me was "You can't argue with idiots"! Nice try, but they will never "get it"!

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