Anybody who cares about and supports preserving the great American outdoors has got to oppose President Donald Trump’s plan to build a wall or a fence along the U.S.-Mexico border.

There’s no way to support both, because Trump’s wall would be an ecological disaster of a scope we’ve seldom seen before.

A very good example of why that is lies about 600 miles west of here, where the Rio Grande makes a big bend along its course to the Gulf of Mexico.

Big Bend National Park is a beautiful, special place. It’s one of very few areas of real backcountry open to the public in Texas, which contains very little public land compared to the rest of the American West.

People who make the effort to go there and experience the Chisos Mountains and the vast Chihuahuan Desert tend to be moved by the grandness of the place.

If Trump’s 2,000-mile border wall is built, about 120 miles of it will have to be plowed through Big Bend.

Building a wall or fence through the park would require cutting more roads through it, stringing power lines through it and erecting work camps in it.

Trump’s border wall would destroy the park.

It would also devastate wildlife in the park. Big Bend is the last home in Texas for black bears and mountain lions, which range on both sides of the river. A wall would cut their ancient trails and interrupt patterns of life that have been going on for eons. Many other animals cut off from the river by a wall would die from lack of water.

Corrupting a place like Big Bend with a wall would in itself be an especially heinous crime against the natural world, and a wall there would account for only a fraction of the whole monstrosity.

The same ecological devastation would occur all along the wall and all manner of wildlife, including the mule deer and antelope Texans so love to hunt, would be ravaged by it.

The wall can’t be built everywhere exactly along the actual border. Much of its course would have to be miles into U.S. territory. Meaning that for practical purposes, we’d have to cede miles and miles of the United States to Mexico for Trump to make good on his electioneering hyperbole.

And so to have the Great Wall of Trump, we’d have to sacrifice some of our natural beauty and bounty, some of our physical territory and $25 billion or so of our national wealth. In return, we gain the off chance of having a few less undocumented immigrants.

Now that’s a bad deal.

• Michael A. Smith

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(68) comments

Gary Scoggin

It's a good thing President Trump has his supporters to translate what he says into what he means.

Carlos Ponce

Yes, we have to translate into Liberalese.

Jim Forsythe

Gary
I guess truth = fake news.

Carlos Ponce

No, Liberal narrative = FAKE NEWS.

Steve Fouga

Carlos, in your opinion, what will President Trump's border wall actually be?

Carlos Ponce

Steve, Trumps wall be be brick and mortar, a fence in other places, increased Border Patrol, drones, Electronic Radar, Helicopter Patrol with heat sensors, MANY MANY MORE OPTIONS that will serve as a barrier to protect our border.

Jim Forsythe

As he stated in January "On the fence—it's not a fence. It's a wall" . If we can not believe our president , who can we believe?
President Trump has been looking at various blueprints with his advisers, a senior administration official told CNN. He could ultimately insist on a concrete wall stretching across the entire border, as he has promised. It would be a far bigger and a vastly more expensive project, and any plan would need to be sent to Congress for funding approval
Some sources told CNN one of the biggest challenges will be convincing the president to modify his campaign promise of a solid wall structure. "It's going to be made of hardened concrete, and it's going to be made out of rebar, and steel," Trump said at a December 2015 rally. He repeated the assertion most recently at a news conference in January of this year when he shot back at a reporter who asked him about the fence: "On the fence—it's not a fence. It's a wall. You just misreported it. We're going to build a wall."

Sources tell CNN Trump's vision of a concrete wall is unrealistic, because of cost, timing, and safety.As one official put it: After the experts convince Trump the wall will not work and it will be a fence, "the White House will just have to figure out a way to spin it [to the public.]"
A concrete wall also poses environmental problems, such as flood risks and hazards for endangered species.

Homeland Security would probably solicit bids from private contractors for most of the work.An executive order from President Trump instructed the Department of Homeland Security to plan, design and build the wall. But these types of projects are typically awarded to private contractors that undertake most of that work. For example, cement makers would be poised to gain from the project, especially those with production facilities along the border, such as Mexico’s CEMEX and Grupo Cementos de Chihuahua.


Carlos Ponce

Again,we have someone going by narrow definitions of what a "fence" and a "wall" is to THEM. It seems their minds are in a BOX. Don't look for a 3-Dimensional, physical BOX, Jim.[beam]

Gary Scoggin

Jim was just using Trump's words. Interesting how quoting him directly is now "fake news."

Carlos Ponce

The news is fake because it has been misinterpreted.

Gary Scoggin

The easiest way to misinterpret President Trump is to take hopim at his word, I suppose.

Jim Forsythe

I do not think we need a interpreter to understand what my president is saying. Most people understand what he is saying. He is straight forward and hold nothing back. Some may not like what he is saying and try and morph his  words into  something he did not say. He may not get a wall, but that's what he wants.

Carlos Ponce

"Besides, Mexico is laughing about the wall. People will just tunnel under it." That's because their Liberal counterparts are telling them, "Don't worry, it won't get built".

Jim Forsythe

As he stated in January "On the fence—it's not a fence. It's a wall" . If we can not believe our president , who can we believe?
I believe what our president say's about what he wants, why would I not believe anything he says., In  January of this year he said: "On the fence—it's not a fence. It's a wall. You just misreported it. We're going to build a wall." why would  I not  believe him? Give me a reason not to believe.

Paula Flinn

Here is one: because 45 lies almost every time he opens his mouth? (Electoral College count the greatest since Pres. Reagan, more people at his inauguration than at Pres. Obama's, no one called Russia before the Inauguration, promised we won't touch Medicare, Medicaid, & Social Security, etc.)

Besides, Mexico is laughing about the wall. People will just tunnel under it.

Carlos Ponce

Remember, the majority of political pundits, media all said Trump had NO Electoral path to the presidency.
" 'I wasn’t supposed to get 222 [Electoral College votes]. They said there’s no way to get 222, 230’s impossible — 270, which you need, that was laughable. We got 306 because people came out and voted like they’ve never seen before, so that’s the way it goes,' Trump said."
When you're the underdog and it wasn't even supposed to be close it was a HUGE victory, not when compared in numbers to other presidents, but in OVERCOMING THE ODDS.
Again, LIBERALS DON'T GET IT!
"Narrow minded people on the narrow minded street." Glen Campbell
Paula, if Ball High was supposed to lose by a wide margin wouldn't you consider it a HUGE victory if they won by just ONE POINT?

Carlos Ponce

"Jim was just using Trump's words. Interesting how quoting him directly is now "fake news." But some cannot think beyond their own rhetoric. Does IRON CURTAIN actually refer to a curtain made of iron? That's how dense some Liberals are.

Jim Forsythe

Yes , it was iron.
Although the term "Iron Curtain" was used in literature and politics earlier, it was made popular by Winston Churchill, who used it publicly in a speech in March of 1946. The term was first used to refer to the actual metal barrier that cut the continent in two, but it soon became a reference to the ideological barrier also. When Churchill first referred to the barrier he wasn't trying to emulate the words of others. In a telegram directed to US President Harry S. Truman, Churchill spoke about the European situation and said "An iron curtain is drawn down upon their front. We do not know what is going on behind." This was his first official mention of the term Iron Curtain.

The Iron Curtain fence stretched for thousands of kilometers to separate Eastern and Western countries, and it was especially strong in Germany, where the Berlin Wall became an unmistakable symbol of the Iron Curtain division. In certain regions, the Iron Curtain was nothing more than a plain chain link fence, when in other places it was a highly guarded area which only people carrying special government permissions could approach.

Carlos Ponce

"Churchill's first recorded use of the term "iron curtain" came in a 12 May 1945 telegram he sent to U.S. President Harry S. Truman regarding his concern about Soviet actions, stating "[a]n iron curtain is drawn down upon their front. We do not know what is going on behind"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Curtain
It was a METAPHOR, Jim. You write, "The term was first used to refer to the actual metal barrier that cut the continent in two....." No it was not.

Jim Forsythe

http://www.wisegeek.org/what-was-the-iron-curtain.htm

It was made of steel mesh (expanded metal).
The Iron Curtain took physical shape in the form of border defenses between the countries of western and eastern Europe. These were some of the most heavily militarized areas in the world, particularly the so-called "inner German border" – commonly known as die Grenze in German – between East and West Germany. The inner German border was marked in rural areas by double fences made of steel mesh (expanded metal) with sharp edges, while near urban areas a high concrete barrier similar to the Berlin Wall was built. The installation of the Wall in 1961 brought an end to a decade during which the divided capital of divided Germany was one of the easiest places to move west across the Iron Curtain
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Curtain

Carlos Ponce

Jim, bottom line, the IRON CURTAIN was not an actual CURTAIN.
"In certain regions, the Iron Curtain was nothing more than a plain chain link fence, when in other places it was a highly guarded area which only people carrying special government permissions could approach." NO CURTAIN! Translation: In some places it was a chain link FENCE in other places it was a heavily guarded area. NOW DO YOU GET IT!

Jim Forsythe

If you will look at the links below you will see pictures of the chink link. The link are not that of a fence we have around our yards The Iron Curtain looks to be made of  black iron about the size of anchor chain on a ship.
The mesh wire is what is normally called expansion metal. Think of plate metal with holes in it,  to be able to see the other side. It would take heavy equipment to  handle either one. The chins were not just one layer thick and connected together. You can call it anything you want, but it still a metal wall. .

The Iron Curtain took on the physical shape of border defenses, walls, and limited diplomacy. The nation of Germany was divided in two. In fact, the most famous symbol of the Iron Curtain was the Berlin Wall, which divided the East German city of Berlin into western and eastern-controlled parts.
http://www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/europe-human-geography/ 


The Iron Curtain symbolized the ideological conflict and physical boundary dividing Europe into two separate areas from the end of World War II in 1945 until the end of the Cold War in 1991
http://military.wikia.com/wiki/Iron_Curtain 

pre-dating Churchill. The usage of the term goes back to the Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sota 38b, which refers to a "mechitza shel barzel," an iron barrier or divider:
There is an Iron Curtain monument in the southern part of the Czech Republic at approximately 48°52′33″N 15°52′25″E / 48.87583°N 15.87361°E / 48.87583; 15.87361. A few hundred meters of the original fence, and one of the guard towers, has remained installed
http://dictionary.sensagent.com/iron%20curtain/en-en/ 

The fall of the Berlin Wall signaled the end of the iron curtain, as communism collapsed and freedom and democracy came to the Eastern bloc 
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/p/index.php?title=Iron_curtain 

The Berlin Wall became its most visible symbol, dividing the German city into the free West Berlin and East Berlin under Soviet dictatorship 
http://www.conservapedia.com/Iron_Curtain 

The USSR had undergone many wars and conflicts in the past century and Stalin needed to protect Russia, by taking over countries around Russia and turning them into Communists countries, which would support Russia, he was making a buffer zone. Stalin was afraid that the Capitalist influence of the rest of the World would influence the Communist people, Stalin sincerely believed that Communism was a better idea for the Russian people, he therefore built a thousand mile iron fence to protect the Russians from what he believed was immoral ideology. The Iron curtain had many effects
http://www.markedbyteachers.com/as-and-a-level/history/why-did-stalin-build-the-iron-curtain.html


The Iron Curtain was a physical and symbolic structure used by the Soviet Union to isolate itself from surrounding eastern and central European nations after World War II 
https://www.reference.com/history/purpose-iron-curtain-63934f8ad13c72a5#


The Iron Curtain represented the constant conflict and physical division between the Democrats and the Communists
http://mrsreavesclass.com/term6links.cfm?subpage=1721688


Carlos Ponce

"I do not think we need a interpreter to understand what my president is saying." Really Jim? It seems we have to translate to the hard of thinking.

George Croix

"....hazards for endangered species..."
Right now the 'endangered species' that matters most is the American Citizen....
Anyway, making an issue of 'wall vs fence' makes for an entertaining attempt at 'gotcha' but is as useful as one declaring any real difference between 'soda' and 'pop' in the context of what constitutes a cold sweet carbonated beverage. After all, every Texan knows a 'Coke' is any soft drink other than the vile Pepsi..... [beam]
As long as the illegal ones stay south and only the legal immigrants come north I don't personally care if it's the Great Wall of the Rio or triple razor wired chainlink or an invisible force field or sonic deterrent or water cannons or Doberman's or a bunch of goofy female 'resistors' with fake private parts on their heads scaring incomers into thinking they are facing a line of the insane....
Build SOMETHING more effective than the phony 'deportations'.......

I DO wish our President would be more specific, but then we have just ended several years of specificity that turned out to be mostly in our face lies and cover-ups, so maybe a bit of slack might be cut...for a while......
Put up or shut up time will come soon enough.....

Jarvis Buckley

Liberals have become laughable. This article is a prime example of fake news. Orson Wells style. Should be in the comic section of GCDN.

Jim Forsythe

Can it be fake news , if it is stated up front, that the following report is not true. It was a tribute to his acting ,that people believed it.. If you are comparing Michael A. Smith to Orson Welles, you are comparing him to one of the best.
George Orson Welles was an American actor, director, writer, and producer who worked in theatre, radio, and film. He is remembered for his innovative work in all three: in theatre, most notably Caesar (1937), a Broadway adaptation of William Shakespeare's Julius Caesar; in radio, the legendary 1938 broadcast "The War of the Worlds"; and in film, Citizen Kane (1941), consistently ranked as one of the all-time greatest films
The Mercury Theatre's radio adaptation of The War of the Worlds by H. G. Welles October 30, 1938, brought Welles instant fame. The combination of the news bulletin form of the performance with the between-breaks dial spinning habits of listeners was later reported to have created widespread confusion among listeners who failed to hear the introduction, although the extent of this confusion has come into question. Panic was reportedly spread among listeners who believed the fictional news reports of a Martian invasion.

Pete Nanos

The article forgets to address the environment impact caused by millions coming across the border leaving behind trash and trampling down the wildlife. It also fails to address financial impact these millions have on our schools, hospitals, and social programs. This article fails to address the impact on wages and jobs, but this is what we have learned to expect from GDN. Your editorials and cartoons are almost always left leaning and insulting. This is how you lost the last election and it will be how you lose the next election.

Jarvis Buckley

Fact is many miles of the wall/ fence was built by 43 . 44 built some fence but stopped when he was catching
Opposition from Elizabeth warrens
Extreme left groups , falling behind,
going over budget. Still have 1.2 billion dollars left over for the wall/ fence. 45 will make it happen.👍

Jarvis Buckley

The wall wasn't Trumps idea. He is just the only one with the courage to finish the job.

Kelly Naschke

What a joke.....what's next Michael......let me guess.....the wall will somehow cause climate change? Don't you need to get back before the circus realizes you are missing

Carlos Ponce

They'll also claim the wall/fence interferes with the migration of Mexican wolves and other critters. I didn't know wolves could swim across the Rio Grande.

Don Schlessinger

Coyotes CP, Coyotes!

Jim Forsythe

Coyotes swim well, and are capable of swimming at least 0.8 km (0.5 mi).
The wolf is very comfortable in the water, and does not hesitate to wade through icy streams or swim across short stretches of lake. In summer, wolves often bathe in streams to keep cool, and they will readily follow prey into water.

Carlos Ponce

Thanks for the information, Jim. I never knew that. Coyotes and wolves are in present where I live (off FM 2004) but I never studied them.

Kelly Naschke

A simple Google search on "environmental impact of ILLEGAL immigration" or "trash along the Texas border" reveals that Mr Smith has NO idea at all what the heck he is talking about. Apparently the criminals that are sneaking over aren't exactly looking for trash cans, recycle bins, and restrooms to discard whatever supplies they bring for the journey.

Mike Trube

Try going on YouTube and watch the videos of Trey Gowdy and Jason Chaffetz question the director of the immigration service. I think her name is Gina Salana. Very eye opening as to why it's not working as it should. And that's not the only department that needs overhauled.

Connie

Josh Butler

Any evidence or research to back the author's claims? Or is this just pure personal projection?

Carlos Ponce

He's just going by the Liberal Directive to discredit President Trump. Most Americans seeing the economy improve and REAL job creation will ignore such rubbish.

Gary Scoggin

Liberal directive? When did Donald Trump become a conservative? Or have conservatives just bent their beliefs to justify him?

Carlos Ponce

Really, Gary? Out of touch with reality, methinks.

George Croix

This article goes well with the full page plus of anti-Trump AP propaganda in today's paper. Seems kind of a waste as only the most base of the left's base could possibly believe this hysterical nonsense.....
Left out is the same unacceptable, horrible, terrible damage to nature could be said about the nation's highway system(s), railroads, airports, shopping centers, housing developments, cities, et al, even the buildings and roads in parks themselves took away and disrupted the normal 'environment'. ALL of which interfered with the environment and the flora and fauna on and in it.....
As such, the selective indignation may play well to the people who have their opinions given to them, but that's about it.....
But, the best part was:
"In return, we gain the off chance of having a few less undocumented immigrants."
A FEW less.......????
The utter dishonesty of that alone makes the rest suspect.
I do note the unwillingness to call a spade a spade, too...they are only 'undocumented immigrants' to the PC bunch.....for the folks rest, they are ILLEGAL.......
What's next, referring to murder as 'undocumented death'............

George Croix

ps:
Absent the success of the current attempt at a shadow government coup by national uprising, which will fail soon as it rains hard or gets too cold or hot, Pres. Trump will be President for another 204 weeks on top of the whole 4 he's already had, without even a ha, etc........
He may sometimes need to explain what he means....
Is that worse than lying on our faces, often and with gusto....period??
No doubt it is to a lot of folks......the 'resistsance'.....
[beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][yawn]

George Croix

......without even a half Cabinet, etc....

Close enough....

Gary Scoggin

Yep, those Republicans need to quit holding up his cabinet nominations.

George Croix

Of course, I didn't say WHO OR WHAT all was involved in holding up the Cabinet, did I, Gary. I just said he didn't have one yet.
Might try reading what I write, not what you read into it to suit your self.....Thanks.

Jim Forsythe

Some work needs to be done.
Updated Feb. 17 at 5:14 p.m.
Of 549 key positions requiring Senate confirmation …
515 Awaiting nomination
20 Awaiting confirmation
14 Confirmed

Gary Scoggin

"Might try reading what I write, not what you read into it to suit your self.....Thanks."
And where's the fun in that? 😉

George Croix

Ah....I wasn't aware we were playing.
I thought trying to close our borders to as much illegal human traffic as possible being conflated into an 'environmental disaster'.....one totally disregarding the impacts of all other building projects, too,...was serious stuff.......the GDN 'glass half full version' of the Trump Presidency to-date being merely a disaster......

You're right...I should have seen the humor in that...............

By next week, I fully expect to see the entire paper filled with AP 'analysis'...
Can't fix that.....

Jarvis Buckley

Well I don't think any of our comments, changed anyone's minds.
So we will be in control for the next 8
years for sure. Get over it.

Jim Forsythe

Carlos
Why would the president change his mind? Not because he does not want a want a wall, but because others want a fence.
A reinforced fence would save the government billions of dollars and eliminate environmental concerns like drainage.
Will he stand firm on a wall or give in to officials' who  will reportedly pitch President Trump on the idea of a border fence in the coming days.

Yes , it was iron.
Although the term "Iron Curtain" was used in literature and politics earlier, it was made popular by Winston Churchill, who used it publicly in a speech in March of 1946. The term was first used to refer to the actual metal barrier that cut the continent in two, but it soon became a reference to the ideological barrier also. When Churchill first referred to the barrier he wasn't trying to emulate the words of others. In a telegram directed to US President Harry S. Truman, Churchill spoke about the European situation and said "An iron curtain is drawn down upon their front. We do not know what is going on behind." This was his first official mention of the term Iron Curtain.

The Iron Curtain fence stretched for thousands of kilometers to separate Eastern and Western countries, and it was especially strong in Germany, where the Berlin Wall became an unmistakable symbol of the Iron Curtain division. In certain regions, the Iron Curtain was nothing more than a plain chain link fence, when in other places it was a highly guarded area which only people carrying special government permissions could approach.

Carlos Ponce

"Why would the president change his mind?" He never did. Some are so narrow in their perspective they visualize a "brick and mortar" wall only, and nothing else. Can't blame Trump for the narrow, shallow thinking of others.

Gary Scoggin

As Jim pointed out, the brick and mortar language was from President Trump. He's the one that can't move beyond that. Carlos, perhaps the President should take your advice and expand his thinking. But then he doesn't need to do that as his supporters create fake news by reinterpreting what he says into something that makes more sense.

Carlos Ponce

In some places it will be. But don't ignore what he has said in other passages to clarify what he means.Everyone with a clear mind knows what Trump said and meant. I guess some are clearly ignorant. So Sad.[sad]

Gary Scoggin

Whether or not the wall will be effective in stopping the flow of illegal immigrants and the environmental impacts of the wall are two different issues - one doesn't preclude the other. There are legitimate differences of opinion about both topics. If, as a nation, we decide to build a border wall, then we need to consider the environmental impact (and numerous other impacts) that will arise from its construction. Based on the cost/benefit analysis we go ahead, don't go ahead or go ahead with mitigations.

By law, the environmental impacts of the wall will have to be evaluated. (National Evironmental Policy Act, if you're keeping score at home.) It's no different from any other public works project in that regard. But since there hasn't been an environmental impact study (that I'm aware of) and since we really don't have a good cost estimate and we don't have good numbers (that I'm award of) on the economic impact in the US, we are all just shooting in the dark as to how the evaluation will really shake out. Everyone is touting the correctness of their opinions while working in a fact free zone. Which is how this administration seems to like to operate.

Carlos Ponce

"By law, the environmental impacts of the wall will have to be evaluated. (National Evironmental Policy Act," Not to worry, Gary. Trump will put that act in its proper place.[beam]

Gary Scoggin

Well, it could use some tuning for sure. :-) It is a bit of a mess.

Carlos Ponce

Don't worry, Gary. It will be alright.

George Croix

You make a good point, Gary.
Another consideration is the ability to CHANGE the current laws/rules that allow the delay of projects due to 'environmental impact' to be minimized, especially when national security is an issue in play...
Could even whatever rules or laws get in the way, like the recently ex-Pres. did, but I personally would not like to see a redux of much of anything done then....
In fact, I believe such exceptions already exist...but could be wrong...and just need the will to be exercised.....
It's long past time to look at the 'impact' of putting field mice over people, when appropriate........

Gary Scoggin

NEPA was passed by Congress and would have to be changed by Congress. So while the President has some latitude here on the scope and extent, the studies will have to be done. Trump could try the Executive Order route like his predecessor did but he would likely get his rear end handed to him, just like his predecessor did on several occasions. There may be some exceptions to the environmental impact study requirements for national security, I just don't know. None of the projects I ever dealt with on these things fit into that category. But even then, the Administration would have to prove that a real emergency exists. And it's hard to claim that for emergent reasons you need to bypass a long-standing process for a project that will take years to construct

But as the law is currently written and applied, the wall is likely the biggest public works project in history and the studies would have to be done. Any court in the country - liberal or conservative - would back that up, the law as written is clear. And the studies will take years.

If I were trying to kill the project, this is how I would go about it. Permitting as a means to stop projects happens all the time, not only with high profile things like KXL and DAPL but on smaller projects. I can think of one where we got hung up at a facility at 2401 Fifth Ave. S in Texas City. I've also see it at some similar facilities in other states. I'm not saying this tactic is right, but it can be effective, even with the friendliest of agencies issuing the permits.

Gary Scoggin

I always get amused here about how the only adjective that seems to be used is "liberal".

Carlos Ponce

Do you prefer Progressive, Socialist or the pejorative "Libtard"?

Gary Scoggin

How about "thinking"?

And I hope you agree that people that use the perjorative "li----d" should be publicly flogged.

Carlos Ponce

Thinking? Not really. And I don't believe in public or even private flogging. As much as I dislike that term sometimes it is appropriate. Be happy with "Liberal".

George Croix

Actually, Gary...I agree with that....we should definitely keep our bitin' and scratchin' on an adult level..... [beam][beam][beam]

George Croix

Please ignore the fact that I left out 'ignore' in between "could even...whatever rules....
Not close enough that time....

George Croix

"NEPA was passed by Congress and would have to be changed by Congress."
Never be a better time....
The 'courts' have proven too often to read into a case, instead of just read the words in it.....like a lot of people do.....[wink].
Then, there are the powerful ideologues who put votes over the nation's best interests...whomever they may be....heck, when you're willing to let people begging for help get killed rather than disrupt an upcoming election, then what do a few laws matter....
The EPA, like OSHA, is another case of good intent overtaken by absurdities at an ever accelerating pace.....
Time to put on the brakes when human beings get shunted to second place behind minnows, mice, and whatever else is dreamed up, and when your back lot mudhole can be an 'inland waterway'..... [huh]...and when your country is being systematically illegally invaded....imho...

Jose' Boix

Trump is not alone — animated map shows 6 border walls being built around the world
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-border-wall-global-immigration-security-2016-9

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