In September 2017, Hillary Clinton released her book “What Happened” where she blamed her loss to Donald Trump on a variety of factors, including former FBI director James Comey, the Russians and the media.

That the Russians interfered in the 2016 presidential election is beyond contestation. Every US intelligence agency has confirmed Russian meddling. Whether or not Russian interference affected the outcome of the election is still an open question and perhaps will never be known.

What is not open to debate is that this election should have never been a close call to begin with. Only the Democratic Party could have nominated a candidate with negative ratings as high as, if not worse, than Donald Trump, and this still boggles the mind to this date.

When Hillary formally announced her presidential candidacy, Democratic Party leaders immediately coalesced around her and suggested that it was her turn to be president. They were aware of the deleted emails, her use of personal electronic servers, her penchant for secrecy, etc. They were also aware that she was under investigation by the FBI. Democratic Party leaders who quickly lined up behind her knowingly backed a flawed candidate with lots of real and imagined political baggage.

It was no surprise that party leaders were not warm to Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders; after all, he was not a registered Democrat and only caucuses with the Democratic Party. But the leaders’ anointing of Hillary as the Democratic Party nominee heir apparent certainly dissuaded strong, articulate alternatives to Hillary from entering the Democratic primaries, such as Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren and Vice President Joe Biden, neither of whom were burdened by the sort of political baggage carried by Hillary.

And now, Donna Brazile, an one-time Clinton adviser and former interim chairwoman of the DNC, has disclosed that she discovered evidence that the DNC rigged the primary election in favor of Hillary and against her rival Bernie Sanders, confirming the suspicions of Bernie’s supporters. Exhibit “A” was an agreement between the DNC and Hillary signed in August 2015. The agreement allegedly gave the Clinton campaign direct influence over the DNC’s finances, budget, strategy, staff decisions, analytics and other factors that stacked the deck against Bernie’s insurgent outsider campaign.

For the record, I supported Bernie for president over Hillary. I thought his platform was direct and positive: Medicare for all, tuition free college and trade school education, tax incentives to keep jobs in America, and tax penalties for jobs outsourced from the USA. For the record, I supported Hillary once she secured the nomination. But I supported her mainly because she wasn’t Donald Trump just like many Trump voters voted for him because he wasn’t Hillary.

I hope the Democratic Party has learned its lesson. The nomination for presidency is not some coronation to be bestowed on the presumed next in line. It must be cultivated from the ground up, that is, from the voters, and not trickled down from above by party leaders.

Roberto Torres is an attorney at law in Galveston and writes columns from a progressive perspective.

(63) comments

Carlos Ponce

The election of 2016 showed the difference between the Democrats and Republicans.
The Democratic primaries were rigged according to Donna Brazile and Elizabeth Warren to favor Hillary over other candidates. And it was more than Hillary being awarded "Super Delegates". The "we know better than the people" inside the beltway elitists disregarded the will of the people. The Russians and Soviets before them have always tried to influence American politics. But did they really influence any vote? Even staunch Democrats say probably not. “We were frankly more concerned in the run up to the election to the possibilities of vote tampering, which we did not see evidence of, and we’re confident that we can guard against,” - Barack Obama. And Hillary did win the popular vote. So how good was their "influence"?
On the other hand if the Republican "we know better than the people" inside the beltway elitists had their way, Jeb Bush would have been their nominee. But the people spoke and insiders could not override their selection of Donald Trump.
But Bernie supporters did express their displeasure over Hillary's nomination at the Democratic Convention. But those protests fell on deaf ears.
Republicans let the people decide who their candidate would be over the objections of the entrenched elitists. They bought the Liberal media mantra that Trump had no Electoral path to the presidency based on poor polling techniques. But they stepped aside and let the people have their say.
Democrat insiders selected their candidate. And to H----- with whom the Democrat constituency wanted. The "fix" was in.
Has the DNC learned a lesson from the 2016 election? Doubt it.
The idea that Roberto preferred a Socialist candidate running as a Democrat is not surprising. Go ahead, Robeerto, push Bernie for the 2020 Democrat nomination. It would be interesting to see if Americans will vote for a Socialist. I don't think so but we'll see.[beam]

Curtiss Brown

What, exactly does ‘rigged’ mean, Carlos?

Carlos Ponce

"We learned today from the former Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Donna Brazile that the Clinton campaign, in her view, did rig the presidential nominating process by entering into an agreement to control day-to-day operations at the DNC," Tapper said, continuing on to describe specific arms of the DNC the Clinton camp had a say over, including strategy and staffing, noting that the agreement was "entered into in August of 2015," months before Clinton won the nomination. Tapper then asked, "Do you agree with the notion that it was rigged?" And [Elizabeth] Warren responded simply: "Yes."
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/02/politics/elizabeth-warren-dnc-rigged/index.html

Mark Aaron

Carlos: ["We learned today from the former Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Donna Brazile that the Clinton campaign, in her view, did rig the presidential nominating process by entering into an agreement to control day-to-day operations at the DNC," ]


You still didn't answer Cutiss' question: "What, exactly does ‘rigged’ mean, Carlos?"

How did the DNC have any influence on the primaries that are run by the states?

Carlos Ponce

"Rigged" is not my term but one used by Jake Tapper and I repeated his quote.
Look at my post Carlos Ponce Nov 6, 2017 5:56pm.

Mark Aaron

Carlos: ["Rigged" is not my term but one used by Jake Tapper and I repeated his quote. ]

So you don't know what he meant by "rigged"?

Mark Aaron

Carlos: [ The "we know better than the people" inside the beltway elitists disregarded the will of the people. ]

Neither the Clinton campaign nor the DNC control state primaries.

Jarvis Buckley

Republican Party is alive & well. The Democratic Party doesn't exist anymore . It is now the far left socialist party. That's my belief
Anyway.

Mark Aaron

Jarvis: [The Democratic Party doesn't exist anymore . It is now the far left socialist party. That's my belief Anyway.]

You have been watching and listening to too much right wing media Jarvis. The Democratic Party used to much closer to Bernie Sanders than it is to Hilary Clinton today. Not that many years ago Hilary would have been considered a moderate Republican and Bernie a mainstream Democrat. Speaker Paul Ryan would have been out on the fringe with the John Birch Society nuts. Trump, a Russian agent.

Diane Turski

I also hope the Democrats learned their lesson! The fate of this country appears to depend on it!

Mark Aaron

Diane: [I also hope the Democrats learned their lesson!]

I worry that the new DNC chairman seems to be dismissing the Bernie Sanders wing of the party as blithely as the last two chairs have.

Gary Miller

When a political party attitude is "we know better than the people" there is little chance they will learn. When HRC is sentenced to prison the DNC will truly be dead. Replaced by what?

Mark Aaron

Gary: [When HRC is sentenced to prison the DNC will truly be dead.]

You bought into the whole wingnut enchilada, didn't you Gary? It is called a political hatchet job and you are the intended pigeon.

Jim Forsythe

When a person runs for President, they know the rules.
In1980 the  Democratic National Committee officials put in place super delegates.
Super delegates were created as a "firewall to blunt any party outsider that built up a head of steam in the primaries."
Every one that has ran as a Democratic since then, has know the rules that they must follow. If they do not want to go by the rules, they do not have to run as a Democrat or can try and get the rules changed.

Why did Hillary win over Sanders? She understood what it took to win. The DNC may have better off too have gone with plan B.
Mrs. Clinton won the biggest states—Texas, Florida, New York and, on Tuesday, California. She also won the most votes: 15.5 million, compared with 11.9 million for Mr. Sanders. 
Mrs. Clinton Won African-American Voters
Mr. Sanders won big margins among independents who cast ballots in Democratic contests. But he lost Democratic Party members by close to 30 percentage points. It’s hard to win the Democratic nomination without winning Democrats.
Voters under age 30 were the fuel behind Mr. Sanders’s campaign. He won more than 70% of them—a bigger share than Barack Obama claimed in 2008. Moreover, voters age 18-29 were more important this year than in 2008; their share of the electorate grew by three points.
Still, seniors remained the larger group, and Mrs. Clinton won more than 70% of them.
Mrs. Clinton topped Mr. Sanders among all income and education levels, but she was particularly strong among those with the highest incomes and college attainment.

Russian influence.
The ads, part of the widespread Russian influence operation to defeat Hillary Clinton, were released this week by the House Intelligence Committee following the testimony of representatives from Facebook, Twitter, and Google. The Russian ad campaign, which in the case of Facebook alone may have reached 146 million Americans, was designed to worsen growing divisions among Americans. The ad-buys were also absurdly economical, costing as little as 0.14 cents per user reached (that’s right, a fraction of a penny). Often targeting both sides of a single issue, the Russian-backed accounts used acerbic rhetoric to inflame tensions and widen divisions over race, religion, and politics.

It’s been a couple months since Facebook confirmed that fake accounts likely originating in Russia bought ads on the platform to sow discord during the 2016 presidential campaign. Below are a few examples of "The Russian ad campaign' . The influence in the past can not be changed, but we must not let it happen again.

Through the content of the military-targeted ads specifically, Russian operators looked to exploit the all-too-present civil-military divide in America to sow discord and rally opposition against Clinton. In the case of the “Killary will never understand” ad, the Russians only paid approximately $53 while directly targeting veterans with their propaganda

A photo showed a service member’s spouse weeping over her husband’s flag-draped casket, under a headline quoting an out of context snippet of Hillary Clinton’s Benghazi testimony: “What Difference Does It Make.” The ad, promoted by an Instagram account named “american.veterans,”  displays a caption reading, “Killary Clinton will never understand what it feels like to lose the person you love for the sake of your country.” 

Another ad from last fall, this time on Facebook, shows a weary American paratrooper kneeling in a desolate landscape with a caption claiming that Hillary Clinton was “despised by the overwhelming majority of American veterans.” This ad, hosted by a group calling itself the “Heart of Texas,” demanded that if Hillary became president, the “American army should be withdrawn from Hillary’s control.”

Carlos Ponce

But you can sum up Hillary 's 2016 presidential campaign in one word: LOSER.
Did any voter including veterans cite the content of a Russian ad as the reason for voting the way they did? No.

Jim Forsythe

I showed why Hillary was the Democratic candidate. It's not a mystery why she lost to Trump.

"Did any voter including veterans cite the content of a Russian ad, as the reason for voting the way they did"
Does anyone say, that add on TV, really worked on me? They just buy the product! How many agreed what Russia was peddling?
No one can ever know, but some may have.

If it does not bother you that Russia tried to change our elections, why not?
The investigation into the Russia influence is not over, so it is not clear until the full reports come out.
When a foreign country tries to  influence our elections, all should be alarmed!

Carlos Ponce

It does bother me that the Russians tried to influence the elections. Emphasis on TRIED. They were unsuccessful. Well documented that the Soviets tried to influence the 1960 elections. Nothing new. Looks like Jim is trying to say that Americans are so mind numbed they believe everything on the Internet. Maybe so for some Liberals.
"No one can ever know, but some may have." Ask ANYBODY. Nobody I know would fall for obvious election tactics. But maybe Liberals would. Hmm....
"When a foreign country tries to influence our elections, all should be alarmed!"
How funny!!!! Are you alarmed that Obama used Federal money (i.e. your money and my money) to try to influence the Israeli elections against Netanyahu????? And what about the Mexican Network Multimedios urging their viewers in the US to vote in 2016, citizenship not necessary. From the anti-Trump rhetoric on their broadcasts it was doubtful they wanted him to win. Did non-citizens vote in the 2016 presidential election? There is evidence that some did. How many is disputed.

Jim Forsythe

"Looks like Jim is trying to say that Americans are so mind numbed they believe everything on the Internet" American intelligence agencies have concluded with “high confidence” that Russia acted covertly in the latter stages of the presidential campaign to harm Hillary Clinton’s chances and promote Donald J. Trump, according to senior administration officials.

A Russian-run page entitled "Donald Trump America" called for "disqualification and removal of Hillary Clinton from the presidential ballot.
The ad was targeted at people who had expressed interest in Donald Trump or his son Donald Trump Jr. on Facebook and ran for three days at the start of August 2016. It was shown in Facebook users' feeds almost 35,000 times and was clicked on 6,000 times. The ad was paid for in Russian rubles, and cost about $240 based on the current exchange rate. 
The main target for the Russia ads, is the right. The Russians had a reason as to whom they targeted.

The finial results will be in , when the investigations are over.. .

To try and say that's it OK because it happen in the past and is still the Russians, is not addressing that we need to take actions to try and stop it.
"Nobody I know would fall for obvious election tactics" Just like nobody in the GOP would have business dealing with the Russians, and would be investigated.

"When a foreign country tries to influence our elections, all should be alarmed!" The answer is yes, and not something  about the past.
This story is about the elections in 2016 .

"alarmed that Obama used Federal money" depends on your view. Again not 2016 elections. Obama did not run in 2016.
Mr. Netanyahu survived the election, and the U.S. spending was not deemed illegal because the State Department never put any conditions on the money. Investigators also said OneVoice didn’t turn explicitly political until days after the grant period ended.

"Netanyahu didn’t just dissolve the government and force new elections; he demanded greater authority. He announced plans to pass a new law that would strip dissenting parties of their power to check the prime minister by withdrawing from the government. Under the new law, said Netanyahu, “the head of the largest party will automatically be installed by the government, and will be ensured a four-year term,” unless a supermajority of parliament votes to remove him."

"Did non-citizens vote in the 2016 presidential election? There is evidence that some did." How many, where did they vote ,who did they vote for. Evidence means they are known , and can be charged.
If someone votes illegally, then prosecute them.,as It is a federal crime to cast votes if you are not legally eligible to vote
 

Carlos Ponce

Jim posts: "American intelligence agencies have concluded with “high confidence” that Russia acted covertly in the latter stages of the presidential campaign to harm Hillary Clinton’s chances and promote Donald J. Trump, according to senior administration officials."
Who cares since it had no effect on the actual election. Find me ONE person who was influenced by these Russian attempts. To claim these attempts were fruitful is without merit, just excuses for a lousy candidate.

Jim Forsythe

"Find me ONE person who was influenced by these Russian attempts." Most people are  not going to say, I was influenced by these Russian attempts. Just as they are not going to say, I was not  influenced by these Russian attempts. 
Prove that the ads had no effect on the actual election.

"Find me ONE person who was influenced by these Russian attempts". This is a example where it became violent, because of the  Russians ads , emails and the use of Twitter

One example how ads , emails and the use of Twitter changed some people minds and actions. In the pizza gate case, a person fired shots because.of  Russian influence.
What was the extent of Russian propaganda efforts to influence the election and what methods were used? Publicly reported efforts include the release of emails stolen from the DNC and the Clinton campaign supplemented by the use of human agent and robot computer programs to spread disinformation about these emails and the use of Twitter bots to spread fake news stories about Clinton
(e.g., that she had Parkinson’s disease and had murdered a DNC staffer, and that her aides ran a pedophile ring in the basement of a D.C. pizza parlor).

Pizza gate came from the Russians. about running a pedophile ring in the basement of a D.C. pizza parlor. Pizza Worker's came under attract from not just one person, but many. 
"From this insane, fabricated conspiracy theory, we've come under constant assault," Alefantis told The New York Times in a Nov. 21 piece, which noted that he and his workers had been facing constant threats over Pizzagate.

On Sunday, Edgar Maddison Welch, of North Carolina, allegedly stormed into Comet Ping Pong with an assault rifle and went right to its back room, where a host of horrors were said to happen. He pointed a gun at employees and fired at least one shot before cops nabbed him, police said.

Carlos Ponce

Jim posts: "Most people are not going to say, I was influenced by these Russian attempts."
Duh Jim! You ask them what was the reason for their vote. From their answer one can surmise if the content of the Russian attempts actually affected their vote.

Jim Forsythe

 To make a statement that no one was influenced, is hard to prove, since over 130,000,000 voted and you have no way of knowing how they were influenced.

From Carlos, "Find me ONE person who was influenced by these Russian "
 Edgar Maddison Welch was influenced.
On Sunday, Edgar Maddison Welch, of North Carolina, allegedly stormed into Comet Ping Pong with an assault rifle and went right to its back room, where a host of horrors were said to happen. He pointed a gun at employees and fired at least one shot before cops nabbed him, police said.
Some more.
Sam Stein‏Verified account @samstein Nov 1 
If you saw a Russian ad or graphic meme during the election and are willing to admit you were persuaded by it, I’d like to hear your story
1:09 PM - 1 Nov 2017 
Stephe96 @Stephe96
I saw an ad that showed Hillary not campaigning in Wisconsin. It was very persuasive.
3:43 PM - Nov 1, 2017
Tim Bourgeois @ManOfGoodPosts
I was a Clinton supporter until I saw two memes that said she is the devil and Bernie is an LGBT bodybuilder 
3:03 PM - Nov 1, 2017 

Even the Tea Party
@tpartynews looked as American as could be. A Twitter account, its profile photo on the site was a "Tea Party" teapot in the colors of the American flag. Its cover photo was an image of the U.S. Constitution.
In the lead-up to the 2016 presidential election, @tpartynews posted pro-Trump, conservative and anti-immigrant messages. It regularly retweeted Fox News, Ann Coulter and other conservative Twitter accounts. And 22,000 accounts followed it -- one of them former White House advisor Sebastian Gorka's
But @tpartynews wasn't American. It was part of a Russian propaganda operation, according to Russian journalists who discovered the link.

Carlos Ponce

What Jim posts show no relevance to Russian attempts to influence the 2016 election.

Jim Forsythe

Remember pizza gate. It started when the Russians spread disinformation about Hillary thru emails and the use of Twitter and ads.
 Edgar Maddison Welch,  stormed into Comet Ping Pong with an assault rifle and went right to its back room, where a host of horrors were said to happen. He pointed a gun at employees and fired at least one shot before cops nabbed him, police said.

Why did he choose this pizza shop. It was because he read and believed that Hillary, and her aides ran a pedophile ring in the basement of a D.C. pizza parlor ,and he came to save the children. This story was  to make Hillary look like she was a pedophile, so less people would want to vote for her.Edgar Maddison Welch believe it so much he took action,
This and other stories were  placed in our public domain, to try and change support for Hillary.

Carlos Ponce

Pizzagate has a weak link to Wikileaks. "Internet users reading John Podesta's emails released by Wikileaks in early November 2016 speculated that some words in Podesta's emails were code words for pedophilia and human trafficking." So did the actual claims of pedophilia, etc come from Wikileaks? No. It did however, come from someone's morbid imagination after reading John Podesta's email's from Wikileaks. But were the allegations made by Edgar Maddison Welch from the actual Wikileaked material? No. There is a link but a very weak one. Of course the Liberal media blew it up into a definite link.
The stuff you post like "Tim Bourgeois @ManOfGoodPosts" show someone making a sick joke, and you took it seriously???? Really, Jim?????

Jim Forsythe

Why would the Senate pass sanctions against Russia if nothing is wrong? 
It has been left to senior Republican senators such as John McCain of Arizona and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina to rally support for measures to punish Russia. The Senate this month passed new sanctions against Russia, making it difficult for Trump to lift them.

Rep. Adam Kinzinger calls for action, and not just saying it's Ok, let it go 
He understands that ."If we weren't upset about it, we have no right to complain in the future" and how important it is to find the truth.
If someone does want the truth, it is on them for sticking their heads in the sand.
"Republican Rep. Adam Kinzinger of Illinois said Friday that letting political motivations stall action against Russia would be a mistake for his party.
"I don't think Vladimir Putin elected Donald Trump, but I think we also have to recognize the fact that this happened," Kinzinger said on CNN.
"The reality is in two or four years it will serve Vladimir Putin's interest to take down the Republican Party. If we weren't upset about it, we have no right to complain in the future," he said."

Maybe you are not aware of the ads that were about Sen. Bernie Sanders
"Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee dumped the ad featuring “Buff Bernie” — an image of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) wearing a speedo and with generous muscles — as part of the larger dump of the social media ads through which Russia sought to influence the election in favor of Donald Trump."

Just because you do not agree with some people, does not make it a sick joke! It goes to the point that these type of ads have influence
"The stuff you post like "Tim Bourgeois @ManOfGoodPosts" show someone making a sick joke, and you took it seriously???? Really, Jim?????"
Tim Bourgeois @ManOfGoodPosts"
I was a Clinton supporter until I saw two memes that said she is the devil and Bernie is an LGBT bodybuilder 
3:03 PM - Nov 1, 2017 

“Buff Bernie” and the  “Heart of Texas” group.
The “Buff Bernie” wasn’t the only Facebook ad from the “LGBT United” account unveiled by the House Intelligence Committee. Also included is an ad promoting an event against the Westboro Baptist Church, a vehemently anti-gay group known for picketing the funerals of soldiers with signs reading “God Hates Fags.”
Yet another ad from the “Heart of Texas” social media account seems to target social conservatives by inflaming fears over LGBT rights. The ad features a split image of a Pride flag combined with a picture of an Islamic terrorist in the shape of the United States superimposed over the Texas state flag.
“Fellow Texans! It’s time to say a strong NO to the establishment robbers,” the ad says. “It is unacceptable for us to see them ruin all we’ve been building for decades. For centuries. The establishment thinks they can treat us like stupid sheep but they are wrong. We won’t put up with this anymore.”

Russian propagandists
Also unveiled by the House Intelligence Committee was a list of Twitter feeds run by Russian propagandists seeking to influence the election. On the list is @lgbtuni, which seems to be the Twitter account for “LGBT United.”
The House Intelligence Committee unveiled the material on the same day tech leaders from Facebook, Google and Twitter testified before Congress as part of the committee’s investigation into Russian influence on the 2016 election.


Jim Forsythe

Hunter Schwarz‏
Verified account 
@hunterschwarz
I haven’t been able to stop thinking about how the Russians posted “Buff Bernie” on one of their troll Facebook pages

Mark Aaron

Hey Carlos is this one of your sources for news, "a group calling itself the “Heart of Texas?” You sure sound like them.

Carlos Ponce

Never heard of them, Little Marky.

Mark Aaron

Carlos: [Never heard of them, Little Marky.]

They seem to be writing your apologia/talking-points when you defend guns or Trump.

Carlos Ponce

"They seem to be writing your apologia/talking-points when you defend guns or Trump." Little Marky
Maybe they subscribe to the GCDN and copy what I post. I often find my posts repeated verbatim in other media including news broadcasts. I am humbled.

Mark Aaron

Carlos: [Maybe they subscribe to the GCDN and copy what I post. I often find my posts repeated verbatim in other media including news broadcasts. I am humbled.]Maybe they subscribe to the GCDN and copy what I post. I often find my posts repeated verbatim in other media including news broadcasts.]

What "other media including news broadcasts" are those?

==> [I am humbled.]

Ha!

Carlos Ponce

I have heard my words repeated on commentary programs (TV, radio) and read them on emails, often un-credited. My niece saw someone copy my GCDN posts and paste it on Facebook . Since I don't use Facebook, I cannot confirm. Some had my name on it others didn't but she recognized my words.There was also a discussion of my posts at her work and apparently it had been relayed through various media, mostly Internet web sites. A state representative came up to me at a Chamber of Commerce Gala and thanked me which was a surprise since I am not one of his constituents. Being credited is not important. The message is.

Mark Aaron

Carlos: [... it had been relayed through various media, mostly Internet web sites.]

Which web sites?

Mark Aaron

Carlos: [ Little Marky, after you bad mouthed them I watched some of FOX News. They present both sides. Their contributors giving the Liberal view work for The Huffington Post, Mother Jones, Politico, etc. But unlike the other networks, a Conservative viewpoint is also presented.]

No, they give profit-driven biased-news designed to appear objective while it is wildly partisan. It is designed to attract and KEEP marginally educated White Supremacist types who love-to-hate around. Lots of partisan hyperbolic jingoism and sensationalism to keep the easily gulled attentive.

Carlos Ponce

Little Marky, I doubt if you've ever seen a live FOX News broadcast. You may claim you "saw" one. But based on what you post. I don't buy it.

Curtiss Brown

If Bernie had run as the nominee of the Democratic Party Donald Trump would have received a greater total of votes than Hillary did.

Mark Aaron

Curtiss: [If Bernie had run as the nominee of the Democratic Party Donald Trump would have received a greater total of votes than Hillary did.]

I don't think so. That election was about people tired of the same old same old. That doesn't describe Bernie. He didn't try to play Republican-lite like Hillary did. People follow a leader. They would/will follow Bernie.

Carlos Ponce

One thing is certain Little Marky, Bernie would NEVER win Texas' Electoral votes.[beam]

Mark Aaron

Carlos: [One thing is certain Little Marky, Bernie would NEVER win Texas' Electoral votes.]

I wouldn't count on that. I'm old enough to remember when the Democrats ran Texas. With a nutcase like Trump running your party it could quite easily flip back. Look at what just happened in Virginia. Bernie is the kind of leader who could electrify the minority vote in Texas. Think: Hispanic. Put up another Tea Partier and that is likely to happen.

Carlos Ponce

I really don't think so, Little Marky. Many have claimed Texas would turn Blue or Purple. Many have been wrong. Be sure to wear your pink sneakers at the next gubernatorial election. And do remember calling Trump a "nut case" when he's re-elected and appoints more Supreme Court Justices.[beam]

Mark Aaron

Carlos: [I really don't think so, Little Marky. Many have claimed Texas would turn Blue or Purple. Many have been wrong. Be sure to wear your pink sneakers at the next gubernatorial election. And do remember calling Trump a "nut case" when he's re-elected and appoints more Supreme Court Justices. ]

Trump won't make it through his first 4 years. He will resign, pass away, become institutionalized, or be impeached/Indicted.

Cruz is going down the drain. No one likes him. He has made too many enemies in the Senate to help Texas. I'm looking for El Paso's progressive Beto O'Rourke (D) to take the Senate seat.

Carlos Ponce

Little Marky that's your opinion and you're welcome to it.
I know better!

Mark Aaron

Carlos: [Little Marky that's your opinion and you're welcome to it. I know better!]

How about your boy Roy Moore, Carlos? A genuine theocrat like you. You must be terribly excited about his candidacy?

Carlos Ponce

Roy Moore? If he what he is accused he needs to step aside. If not, as Clarence Thomas stated: “Where do I go to get my reputation back?”
The TIMING of these accusations, four weeks before an election is troubling since it happened 38 years ago.
Question: Did you vote for Bill Clinton despite all the accusations against him going back to when he was Arkansas governor or is an accusation not enough?

Mark Aaron

Carlos: [ The TIMING of these accusations, four weeks before an election is troubling since it happened 38 years ago. ]

Why is it troubling? Roy Moore recently became the Republican Party's newest senate candidate. Along with that candidacy comes a hard look at his history, and it was a mess. Revelations are still coming out about how the people he worked with knew he liked to date teenage girls. Why did your party nominate a known pedophile Carlos?

I see some in your party are now saying what Roy Moore did was no big deal because in the Bible an adult Joseph took an underage Mary to bed. They also didn't think it was a big deal when Roy Moore violated the Alabama Canons of Judicial Ethics and was removed from the bench, He ran again some years later and returned to the bench where he again violated the Alabama Canons of Judicial Ethics and was forced to resign. You guys sure know how to pick them.

Carlos Ponce

THIRTY EIGHT YEARS LATER and you don't see a problem, Little Marky????
Do you have PROOF he's a pedophile? An allegation does not make a person a pedophile. You cannot say someone is a pedophile unless you have proof. Show it to me, find a link, and not just the unproven ALLEGATIONS.
Some in my party? I'm a Conservative. Find me ONE in my "party" who is "now saying what Roy Moore did was no big deal because in the Bible....".
But did he do it? In this country a person is innocent until PROVEN guilty. So far All we've heard is allegations, no proof produced.
Now answer the question: Did you vote for Bill Clinton despite allegations of sexual attacks including rape? If you did was the reason because you did not see any proof that the ALLEGATIONS were proven? Why hold a double standard, Little Marky? And why would anybody vote for a proven drunken killer (Ted Kennedy)? Yet Democrats always supported him.

Carlos Ponce

Timing: WAPO endorses Democrat Doug Jones for Alabama Senator.
Doug Jones' campaign isn't doing too well.
WAPO then alleges sexual misconduct involving Republican candidate Roy Moore four weeks before the election.
To paraphrase Shakespeare, " Something is rotten at WAPO."
Reminder: WAPO also came up with allegations of sexual misconduct against Trump but they didn't stick. Lesson learned: Make the allegations CLOSER to election date. That doesn't give him enough time to disprove these claims.

Carlos Ponce

As the election draws to an end look for WAPO to come up with another woman to accuse Roy Moore of sexual misconduct if their polling does not favor Doug Jones with a comfortable margin. After the election when revealed the accusation was unfounded WAPO will state that it was their "journalistic duty" to inform the voters in Alabama. Yeah, right.

Mark Aaron

Carlos: [THIRTY EIGHT YEARS LATER and you don't see a problem, Little Marky????]

Your pedophile candidate is running for US Senate Carlos. Now you have to pretend the media shouldn't properly vet his history. Poor Carlos.

==> [ Do you have PROOF he's a pedophile? An allegation does not make a person a pedophile. You cannot say someone is a pedophile unless you have proof. Show it to me, find a link, and not just the unproven ALLEGATIONS.]

You mean like all of your allegations about the Clintons? The hypocrisy, Carlos. Now you are forced to defend a pedophile. Remember Dennis Hassert? What is it with your party?

==> As the election draws to an end look for WAPO to come up with another woman to accuse Roy Moore of sexual misconduct if their polling does not favor Doug Jones with a comfortable margin.

Doing a little preemptive striking Carlos? You know in cases like this [see: Trump, Weinstein] more victims inevitably come forward. Sure enough:

_"Nelson, who met Moore through her job as a waitress, recalled an incident in which Moore offered to give her a ride home one night in 1977. But instead of taking her home, she said, he drove around the restaurant to a deserted area and assaulted her.
“I thought that he was going to rape me,” Nelson said. At the time, she was 16 and he was in his 30s.
After a struggle, Nelson said, Moore let her go with a threat.
“He looked at me, and he told me, ‘You’re just a child.’ And he said, ‘I am the district attorney of Etowah County, and if you tell anyone about this, no one will ever believe you,’” she added. "_

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/roy-moore-accuser_us_5a09cebce4b0bc648a0cba37?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

And it gets better:

_"More Than 50 Alabama Pastors Are Publicly Supporting Roy Moore
They condemn the “all-out war on his campaign” without mentioning the sexual assault allegations against the Senate candidate."_

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/more-than-50-alabama-pastors-are-publicly-supporting-roy-moore_us_5a09fb51e4b0bc648a0d1e0c?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

And yet another:

_"This past weekend, I spoke or messaged with more than a dozen people—including a major political figure in the state—who told me that they had heard, over the years, that Moore had been banned from the mall because he repeatedly badgered teen-age girls. Some say that they heard this at the time, others in the years since. These people include five members of the local legal community, two cops who worked in the town, several people who hung out at the mall in the early eighties, and a number of former mall employees. (A request for comment from the Moore campaign was not answered.) "_

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/locals-were-troubled-by-roy-moores-interactions-with-teen-girls-at-the-gadsden-mall

Carlos Ponce

Innocent before proven guilty apparently doesn't fit your agenda. Until there is PROOF one should not call Roy Moore a pedophile. But Little Marky will call him one regardless of LACK OF ANY CREDIBLE PROOF.
And you never answered the question about voting for Bill Clinton despite ALLEGATIONS against him since he was Arkansas Attorney General. Do you hold a DOUBLE STANDARD for Roy Moore just because he has an "R" by his name? I smell hypocrisy.
As to the allegations against the Clintons have you bothered to read the EVIDENCE in The Hill and Circa done by two investigative reporters. And remember the first allegations were brought up by THE NEW YORK TIMES in 2015.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html
A lot of credibility from multiple sources, some even on the Liberal approved reading list.

Mark Aaron

Carlos: [ Innocent before proven guilty apparently doesn't fit your agenda.]

It isn't often seen in your posts, is it Carlos? There isn't anything you and your fellow zealots wouldn't say about the Clintons, No matter how many times you have been proven wrong. The slightest morsel of innuendo has you trying and convicting them.

==> [Until there is PROOF one should not call Roy Moore a pedophile. But Little Marky will call him one regardless of LACK OF ANY CREDIBLE PROOF.]

I have heard, seen, and read credible convincing evidence from numerous sources I trust. Objective mainstream news sources, Given the authoritarian and lawless nature of Roy Moore it comes as no huge surprise that he regularly abuses his power. That he abuses little teenage girls too fits his character.

Why are you still supporting this pedophile piece of scum Carlos? The DC Republicans have figured him out. Is it because he is an evangelical theocrat like you?

Carlos Ponce

Who's supporting Roy Moore Little Marky? If you read my posts I have always maintained that if the evidence is there then he should step aside. But until there is real evidence, not allegations, the man is innocent.
A for the Clintons apparently your Left wing news sources haven't informed you that Sessions is opening an investigation into them to go along with the Congressional investigation. Big difference is there is no Left Wing lackey in charge of the justice department to circumvent any investigation. Look for resignations from the FBI upper echelons as they are implicated.
And you still haven't answered my question. It's a simple question. Did you vote for Bill Clinton despite the allegations of sexual misconduct including rape in the 1992 and 1996 presidential elections?

Jarvis Buckley

Our Country is doing well if we can keep the Atheist & liberal socialist
Out of our politics. 401k's couldn't be better. Unemployment at a 25 year low. Stock market reaching all time highs. Democratic' shown for what they are.------Crooks.

Mark Aaron

Jarvis: [Our Country is doing well if we can keep the Atheist & liberal socialist
Out of our politics. ]

We are better administrators and less corrupt than the GOP. Less bigoted too. Come away from the dark side Jarvis. Join the enlightened compassionate side. It's where you belong.

Doyle Beard

Come on Roberto, the Dems know what the sheep need. They will never change. They think the voters depend on them. Big Egos

Mark Aaron

Doyle: [Come on Roberto, the Dems know what the sheep need. They will never change. They think the voters depend on them. Big Egos]

Can you translate that for those of us who don't listen to Fox News, hate radio or subscribe to conspiracy websites? What do "sheep" need? Who will never change? Voters do depend on their representatives, why wouldn't they? Who's big egos and what are they doing? Is it remotely possible you have it all backwards?

Doyle Beard

You not quite as smart as you might like people to think. I DO NOT watch Fox news . If you cant understand the post then that is your problem.

Mark Aaron

Doyle: [. I DO NOT watch Fox news ]

Too Liberal for you Doyle?

Carlos Ponce

Little Marky, after you bad mouthed them I watched some of FOX News. They present both sides. Their contributors giving the Liberal view work for The Huffington Post, Mother Jones, Politico, etc. But unlike the other networks, a Conservative viewpoint is also presented.

Willis Briggs

Roberto, after reading your postings for some time now, I never thought I would hear you say anything negative about liberal Democrats. I think we might be able to have a civil conversation in spite of my conservative leaning. [thumbup]

Doyle Beard

Willis I am not convinced Roberto is just playing games.

Doyle Beard

meant isn't playing games.

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