I usually try to stay out of politics, at least in print. But events in the last few weeks have got me riled up.

First, though, I must admit the whole country quit yelling at each other and looked up at the sky, savoring the eclipse and watching something that human beings had nothing to do with, for a change.

And that was beautiful.

Then we went back to yelling, and worse. A lot of people are blaming our recent hostility on President Trump, and I can see where that might be good thinking.

The Bible says, “Train up a child in the way he should go and when he is old, he will remember it.”

I’ve been counting on that with my own kids for years, and hoping it’s true.

Who trained up Donald Trump? His parents? His nanny? His headmasters?

What would a drill sergeant do with Donald? What does Miss Manners have to say?

However, in one recent press conference — of which there are too many — I had to agree with something he said at which a huge number of people took offense. He said both sides contributed to the mess in Virginia.

Almost everybody in the United States is in agreement at the Neo-Nazis and white supremacists and skinheads and whatever else those people are calling themselves are completely wrong and completely evil. (Who taught those folks?)

We also agree, most of the time, that if they got out and shouted their message and nobody came to listen and shout back, their whole purpose, which is to gain publicity, would be thwarted.

Back in my newspaper reporting days, we would occasionally have a protest of some kind hereabouts. Don’t ask what they were about. I don’t remember. But we will roll out with our cameras and a group would be standing idly about.

When they saw the cameras, they pulled up their signs and started marching and shouting. What they were really hoping for was the arrival of the TV cameras. But that seldom happened in these little small town rows.

As soon as we left, they left too.

So my thought for the day is this: Let’s shun the troublemakers, as do the Amish. Completely ignore their shouting and maybe they will shut up.

We need to convince the video media not to arrive for every march and not to publish every tweet. It will be hard for them, but they need to learn what is real news and what is just bluster.

Cathy Gillentine is a Daily News columnist. She may be reached at cgillentine1@sbcglobal.net.

(62) comments

Carlos Ponce

"He said both sides contributed to the mess in Virginia." I agree.
There are some who post that as long as someone takes a stance against white supremacists, neo-Nazis, KKK and other nut jobs they must be the "good guys". Some are, some are not. The Antifa (short for anti-fascists) utilize fascist tactics when countering these these losers. That doesn't make them "good guys". They wear all black, similar to Benito Mussolini's blackshirts, and the Nazi "Brown shirts" (Braunhemden). They even even cover their faces which is against the law in places where they act. They attend protests armed with mace, bottles of urine, Molotov cocktails. their tactics include attacking the "bad guys" and destroying property. No "peaceful protest" for them. In addition to attacking the white supremacists they also attack police and news reporters. There is an old Earth saying, " The enemy of my enemy is my 'friend'." Not here. There's another saying, "With 'friends' like that, who needs enemies". The Antifa is a group of violent thugs.

Curtiss Brown

Just what do you think fighting Fascism looks like, anyway?

Carlos Ponce

The Antifa is using the same tactics as the Nazi Brown shirts. They're evil. Fighting Fascism should not use these tactics. You don't physically attack the police. You don't physically attack the media. You don't physically attack the other fascists. You reveal the evil that they do and represent. You stage peaceful protests, not armed for physical battle.

Jarvis Buckley

Donald Trump is the 3rd greatest President in your life time. I love your articles 90 percent of the time.
Our president loved his parents & worked in the family business.
I hope you stay safe , warm & dry.
This wasn't the first political article you have written.

Mark Aaron

"Donald Trump is the 3rd greatest President in your life time."

In the real world Donald Trump is the most detested president in American history. A recent poll found a majority of Americans want him impeached.

Carlos Ponce

"A recent poll......." That says it all.[rolleyes]

Mark Aaron

""A recent poll......." That says it all."

Poor gullible Carlos doesn't believe in polls, unless they are in Trump's favor of course.

Carlos Ponce

Check the demographics.

Boi Bom

Mark Aaron says: "Poor gullible Carlos doesn't believe in polls, unless they are in Trump's favor of course." Who can argue with Mr. Aaron? We all remember those reliable polls that predicted Hillary would be our next president. Oh, wait... [lol]

Jose' Boix

Totally agree with Ms. Gillentine's thought for the day is this: "Let’s shun the troublemakers, as do the Amish. Completely ignore their shouting and maybe they will shut up." Simple, non-aggressive and has no "sides."

George Crater

Most of media is responsible for the protests IMHO.
If no one listens, the protests usually stop; but when the media has their own agenda, its a classic scapegoat opportunity. From the get-go, all predicted Hillary to cream the Donald, and they ALL ended up with egg on their faces. As groups began popping up quicker than weeds, blindly protesting the election process, protesting took on a whole new meaning to some. It was their chance to act like animals and get away with it, and the media was there to film these poor people being pepper-sprayed for breaking storefront windows, setting fire to cars and businesses, attacking ANYONE who they felt wasn't 'with their group'.
This isn't Ireland, this is the United States of America. George Soros doesn't like conservatism, or capitalism, unless you're talking about the same capitalism that made him very wealthy. These protestors for the most part have no idea what they're protesting against and/or calling for, i.e.; socialism or anti-fascism, especially when they USE the very basic tools of fascism to try and prove their point.
Eventually Americans will grow tired and fed up with these acts of childish behavior and terror tactics and fight back, and unfortunately the polar opposite extremists have popped up to battle against these groups, and both of them are wrong, fighting fire with fire does no good for this country. Governmental intervention will eventually take over to break up and stop these protestors, and the antifa and others like them will be crying like babies because military forces don't put up with urine-filled bottles thrown at them or blindside attacks that antifa is known for, they will be slammed to the ground and cuffed, and i'll be cheering them on as I sit peacefully on my sofa.

Mark Aaron

"Most of media is responsible for the protests IMHO."

I assume you are familiar with the 1st Amendment which bestows a right to gather and protest? Why do you think the authors of the Bill of Rights included that in the very first Amendment George? Do you assume the "liberal" media forced them to do that or something?

If there is no protest there is no reason for the media to show up. It is not a difficult concept to understand.

"From the get-go, all predicted Hillary to cream the Donald,"

Given what a narcissistic nut case Trump is that is hardly a surprise. You are aware he is the most reviled president in American history, aren't you George? Most intelligent people saw that coming a mile away.

Carlos Ponce

"I assume you are familiar with the 1st Amendment which bestows a right to gather and protest?"
First Amendment : Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble.
So as long as the despicable White Supremacists, neo-Nazis, KKK PEACEFULLY assemble you have no problems, right?
"They must apply to everyone or they mean nothing." Captain Kirk, Star Trek 'The Omega Glory' "
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGO-SldLrNA
"You are aware he is the most reviled president in American history, " Only reviled by Leftist extremists.

Mark Aaron

"So as long as the despicable White Supremacists, neo-Nazis, KKK PEACEFULLY assemble you have no problems, right?"

"Peacefully" is the operative word here. Yes they do have that legal right. Whether they have the moral right to preach hate is another question. Other people also have the legal and the moral right to shout them down. The Bill of Rights restricts only government actions. Did you not know that Carlos?

""You are aware he is the most reviled president in American history, " Only reviled by Leftist extremists."

Reviled by the world, Carlos. Trump only has the strong support of about 25% of the electorate. He has the marginal support of about another 10%. The worst poll numbers of any president in American history, for good reason.

Carlos Ponce

Bet you got those percentages from a POLL! Laughable.[beam][beam][beam]

Mark Aaron

"Bet you got those percentages from a POLL! Laughable."

Yes Carlos, unlike you I haven't been duped into thinking all polls that don't favor Trump are wrong. Any of them can be a few points off, but given the huge margins and the number of polls who say Trump is hated only a fool would try to pretend otherwise.

Carlos Ponce

Bet you haven't checked the polls' demographics either.

Mark Aaron

"Fitting that you favor a Socialist who made money writing pornography. And his popularity is over rated. "

Poor Carlos, stooping to calling a 1972 essay on feminism "pornography." No surprise there, nor for your fear and discounting of his popularity.

Mark Aaron

"Bet you haven't checked the polls' demographics either."

Demographics would have next to no affect on the huge margins cited by every poll. I expect you desperately wish it were otherwise. So sad.

Carlos Ponce

"Demographics would have next to no affect ...." Riiiiiggghhhht![rolleyes]

Mark Aaron

"And what are the sources of your negative FOX views????? Objective? I don't think so."

Poor deluded Carlos. Big fan of the sexual harassment network are you?

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/tv/fox/

Mark Aaron

"Mark, you read ever Liberal spin put out against this president so much you don't know the truth any more. Jr.'s meeting with some Russian wanting to talk about adopting Russian children on the pretense that there was incriminating evidence on Hillary "

Poor Carlos, ever the willing dupe.

Carlos Ponce

Mark, source source is POLITIFACT??????
Thanks for the laugh. If you will notice, these senseless idiots based their evaluation of FOX based NOT ON THE NEWS but on the commentary shows and what their guests and hosts said. STUPID! They don't differentiate between the ACTUAL NEWS and the COMMENTARY PROGRAMS.
Politifact sometimes gets it right but this time it was POLITIFICTION.

Carlos Ponce

Calling Christians bigots. So sad. [sad]
Well it's your right to hate. I'd advise you not to do it. And you need all the prayer you can get. I'll continue praying for you. It's what Jesus would want. James 5:16

Mark Aaron

"Calling Christians bigots. So sad."

Hiding your hatred and bigotry behind religion makes it no less repulsive.

"And you need all the prayer you can get. I'll continue praying for you. It's what Jesus would want. James 5:16"

Pray for yourself Carlos, you are the one filled with hate and hypocrisy. John 2:9-17

Carlos Ponce

"Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates a brother or sister is still in the darkness. Anyone who loves their brother and sister[b] lives in the light, and there is nothing in them to make them stumble. But anyone who hates a brother or sister is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness. They do not know where they are going, because the darkness has blinded them."
Time to get out of the darkness, Mark. Still praying for you!

Mark Aaron

"Time to get out of the darkness, Mark. Still praying for you!"

Pray for yourself. You are the racist and the bigot who hides behind religion.

Carlos Ponce

Poor Mark. The truth is out there but you won't find it quoting tabloid sources. So sad. Go back to your Socialist candidate, tell us what's so great about him. That's worth another laugh.

Mark Aaron

"Mark, source source is POLITIFACT??????Poor Mark. The truth is out there but you won't find it quoting tabloid sources. So sad."

You do enjoy backing losers and sexual abusers, don't you Carlos? It is bad enough that you won't admit to Trump being a serial liar, now you defend Fox News to pretend they aren't a rightwing propaganda mill. None so blind as he who will not see Carlos.

"Go back to your Socialist candidate, tell us what's so great about him. That's worth another laugh."

Rectifying Income and Wealth Inequality
Make College Tuition Free and Debt Free
Getting Big Money Out of Politics and Restoring Democracy
Creating Decent Paying Jobs
A Living Wage
Combating Climate Change to Save the Planet
A Fair and Humane Immigration Policy
Ensuring Racial Justice
Fighting for Affordable Housing
Fighting for Women's Rights
Working to Create an AIDS and HIV-Free Generation
Fighting for LGBT Equality
Empowering Tribal Nations
Caring for Our Veterans
Medicare For All
Strengthen and Expand Social Security
Fighting to Lower Prescription Drug Prices
Fighting for Disability Rights
Senator Bernie Sanders' Plan for Puerto Rico
Standing With Guam
Preventing a Global Race to the Bottom in the Airline Industry
General Electric Must Pay to Restore the Hudson River
Constitution Pipeline Must Be Defeated
Supporting Historically Black Colleges and Universities
Ending the Race to the Bottom
Fighting for the Rights of Native Hawaiians
Improving the Rural Economy
Fighting for Nurses
Reforming Wall Street
Real Family Values
War Should Be the Last Option
Making the Wealthy, Wall Street, and Large Corporations Pay their Fair Share

https://berniesanders.com/issues/

Carlos Ponce

"You do enjoy backing losers and sexual abusers, don't you Carlos?"
No, I do not. Can you keep your discourse CIVIL or is it beyond your scope? I've been trying not to return your HATEFUL rhetoric of late but I have to say you are making no effort to do so.

Mark Aaron

"No, I do not."

Yet you still continue to do so.

Mark Aaron

Did you forget just posting this Carlos?

"Fitting that you favor a Socialist who made money writing pornography."

Carlos Ponce

No Mark. It is a fact he is a Socialist. And the fact he wrote porn. That is documented from the Left (Mother Jones, Slate, Snopes, etc) and the Right.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/07/bernie-sanders-vermont-freeman-sexual-freedom-fluoride/
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/05/28/bernie_sanders_sex_article_rape_fantasy_involved_in_1972_piece.html
http://www.snopes.com/bernie-sanders-essay/

Carlos Ponce

Is Bernie Sanders a Socialist?
From the Leftist Politico:
"Why Democrats Should Beware Sanders’ Socialism-He’s a socialist, not a liberal—and there’s a big difference."
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/bernie-sanders-2016-socialism-213667
And from the Leftist Huffington Post:
"Bernie Sanders Is A Socialist And That’s Not As Crazy As It Sounds"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/30/bernie-sanders-socialist_n_7182752.html

Mark Aaron

It is still true that you support a network and a politician wracked with scandal and rapidly losing support, Carlos. Deal with it.

Carlos Ponce

"It is still true that you support a network and a politician wracked with scandal and rapidly losing support, Carlos. Deal with it."
No Mark, you are totally off. Deal with that. Stop your hatred.
As far as network, I view CBN - the Christian Broadcast Network.
What is your news source?
A lady in Houston said that she did not vote for Trump considering all the campaign rhetoric she had heard. But upon meeting him and talking with him she has since changed her mind. She said he's a good man.
Believing all the anti-Trump campaign rhetoric still being spread is very sad. [sad]

Mark Aaron

"No Mark, you are totally off. Deal with that. Stop your hatred. As far as network, I view CBN - the Christian Broadcast Network."

CBN is a hate mongering evangelical propaganda mill little different in tone from Fox News. Its value as an objective news source is nil. It is especially hateful towards the LGBT community, so I imagine you share their ignorant hate filled message.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/organizations/christian-broadcasting-network/

"What is your news source?"

Pretty much anything you or your hero Trump call fake news. New York Times, Washington Post, Newsday, CNN, MSNBC, etc.

"Believing all the anti-Trump campaign rhetoric still being spread is very sad"

Disbelieving the mountains of facts and evidence being reported about Trump is far, far sadder Carlos. It is also dangerous for America.

Carlos Ponce

"New York Times, Washington Post, Newsday, CNN, MSNBC..." Not unexpected.
And now you are attacking Christians? Have you ever seen CBN News? If you have you would know they preach Jesus' love to all including members of the LGBTQ community. They're not hateful. Again you believe false rhetoric. We shall pray for you. [innocent]

Mark Aaron

"And now you are attacking Christians? Have you ever seen CBN News? If you have you would know they preach Jesus' love to all including members of the LGBTQ community. They're not hateful. "

Yes, Carlos, I have seen the bigoted and hateful CBN. Hiding behind the fake facade of religion does not exempt them from well deserved criticism. They are the worst kind of self righteous bigots. The link I provided you furnished proof after proof after proof of their hate and bigotry. That you would defend them speaks volumes.

"Again you believe false rhetoric. We shall pray for you."

Don't waste your breath Carlos. I don't need haters and bigots praying for me.

Carlos Ponce

That was mean and hateful.
As a Christian I love everybody. Again, your post demonstrates exactly who and what you are. And that's not good.

Mark Aaron

"We all remember those reliable polls that predicted Hillary would be our next president. Oh, wait... "

Most of those polls began to change after James Comey reopened his baseless email investigation shortly before the election. Most had the race close to dead even on election day. Do try to keep up.

Carlos Ponce

Mark, "Do try to keep up." Hillary still had a lead on election day in popular vote but not Electoral. Polls still claimed Trump had NO PATH TO THE PRESIDENCY. You cannot rewrite history..
"Most polls heading into the Nov. 8 presidential election predicted Hillary Clinton would win the presidency. Two weeks before people lined up to vote, famed poll aggregator Nate Silver at the FiveThirtyEight website put her odds of winning at up to 85 percent. When he later gave Trump a 35 percent chance of winning a few days before the election, the adjustment was criticized by liberal pundits.
Yet most polls clearly got it wrong....."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-did-many-polls-seem-to-miss-a-trump-victory/
Tell you what, Mark, re-nominate Hillary in 2020.

Boi Bom

"Tell you what, Mark, re-nominate Hillary in 2020." Carlos, I think it's a safe bet that Mr. Do-Try-To-Keep-Up and his fellow travelers might do just that. Or someone just as far to the left or more so. It's evident that they missed the message of this last election. Let's hope it stays that way so that liberalism will diminish.

Mark Aaron

"Tell you what, Mark, re-nominate Hillary in 2020."

Hillary was never my first choice, though I do have great respect for her. No, my vote will go for Bernie Sanders, America's most popular politician. As much as I respect and admire Hillary she is a bit too pro-corporate for my tastes. Either, of course, are miles better than any Republicans running or serving.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/329404-poll-bernie-sanders-countrys-most-popular-active-politician

Carlos Ponce

"No, my vote will go for Bernie Sanders".
Fitting that you favor a Socialist who made money writing pornography. And his popularity is over rated. They feel sorry for him since the Democratic Party's Primaries were rigged to give Hillary more delegates.

Mark Aaron

"Hillary still had a lead on election day in popular vote but not Electoral."

Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by 2,800,000 votes. Given that fact it is somewhat understandable pollsters would assume an electoral victory would follow. Despite Trump's nonsensical claims to the contrary his electoral victory was one of the closest in history. Yes, most, but not all polls got the electoral victory wrong. That happens sometimes in very close elections. Had Comey not interfered I don't believe Trump could have won.

The outcome of the election, however, does not mean all polls are always wrong. Which is what you are trying to claim about Trump's current poll numbers. When you look at all poll numbers available there is no question he is the most reviled president in American history, and his numbers continue to plummet. Even Fox News is now saying Americans think Donald Trump is an unstable, dishonest, immoral bully and are calling his poll numbers "brutal."

Carlos Ponce

"there is no question he is the most reviled president in American history"
Sounds like a Yogi Berra-ism: "He was so unpopular he won the presidential election."
"Even Fox News is now saying.... " Oh, you watch FOX News. Interesting.

Carlos Ponce

"Had Comey not interfered ...." Does that mean you FAVOR Comey's firing????

Mark Aaron

"Does that mean you FAVOR Comey's firing????"

Yes, but not for the reason Trump fired him, despite Trump's lie to the contrary.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/01/us/politics/trump-comey-firing-letter.html

Carlos Ponce

But you're happy Trump fired him irregardless of the reason. Interesting.

"The New York Times has not seen a copy of Mr. Trump’s letter — which was drafted at the urging of Mr. Trump during a pivotal weekend in May at the president’s private golf club in Bedminster, N. J. — and it is unclear how much of the letter’s rationale focuses on the Russia investigation." From your source. Also interesting. What's "unclear" is why they're commenting on a letter and they don't even know its contents. The idea that it has any focus on the Russia investigation is purely speculative. Tabloid journalism.

Mark Aaron

""He was so unpopular he won the presidential election.""Even Fox News is now saying.... "

No, Carlos, he won the election because a craven GOP demonized Hillary Clinton for better than 20 years with an assist at a critical time by James Comey.

"Oh, you watch FOX News. Interesting."

No, Carlos, I don't waste my time on a proven propaganda ministry. I do however sometimes run across articles about them.

Carlos Ponce

No, Mark, he won because he identified with the ordinary citizen. That's something Liberals cannot or refuse to grasp.
"I do however sometimes run across articles about them." Uh-huh, very objective - NOT!

Mark Aaron

""I do however sometimes run across articles about them." Uh-huh, very objective - NOT!"

As I have patiently explained to you before, Carlos, any news media that claims it is reporting the news from a conservative or a liberal viewpoint is not objective and of questionable benefit. Fox News has a long and sordid record of lying. I don't waste my time on them. I have higher standards than that. Given the nonsense you regularly post your mileage may vary.

Carlos Ponce

"Fox News has a long and sordid record of lying." Really? Unless you actually WATCH the programs you are basing your opinion on biased reports.
Objectivity? Negative Trump reports 52%, positive Trump reports 48% compared to 93 % negative Trump reports from NBC, CNN and other news sources according to the Harvard Kennedy School's Shorenstein Center.
https://www.studentnewsdaily.com/example-of-media-bias/harvard-study-reveals-media-bias/
And what are the sources of your negative FOX views????? Objective? I don't think so.

Mark Aaron

"The idea that it has any focus on the Russia investigation is purely speculative. Tabloid journalism."

Poor Carlos, duped again. I guess you missed the time Trump admitted to Lester Holt on national television why he fired Comey. Or as others like to call it: obstruction of justice.

Carlos Ponce

Poor Mark, looking at the world with eyes and ears that only hear and see Leftist ideology. What reason did Donald Trump tell Lester Holt? "I just want somebody that's competent." The FBI under Comey was in turmoil. "He's the wrong man for that position." Time for a new director.
https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/pres-trump-s-extended-exclusive-interview-with-lester-holt-at-the-white-house-941854787582
That's not obstruction. The FBI director can be replaced by any president at any time.
Was Comey actively involved in the investigation into Russia? No. There are agents handling that. And the investigation continues. To date they have found ZERO, ZIP, NADA. Mueller is now branching out his search beyond its original intent because nothing has turned up.

Mark Aaron

"Mueller is now branching out his search beyond its original intent because nothing has turned up."

Who told you Mueller has found nothing Carlos, Fox News?

This draft letter Mueller is reported to be investigating appears, from numerous news reports, to confirm what Trump told Lester Holt, that he fired Comey to obstruct justice. He was angry that Comey wouldn't publicly exonerate him. News out this week adds even more evidence that Trump was collaborating with the Russians. He was trying to enrich himself by building a Trump tower in Moscow while a candidate for president. Add to that his campaign's attempts to work with the Russians and Wikileaks to illegally influence the election. Do you approve of the Russians actions during the election as reported by all of our national intelligence agencies Carlos? Or will you be a dupe and pretend it didn't happen?

Carlos Ponce

"Who told you Mueller has found nothing Carlos, Fox News?"
No, I have DC connections. Thought I'd share.
" Add to that his campaign's attempts to work with the Russians and Wikileaks to illegally influence the election." Just more Liberal speculation. Nothing there.

Mark Aaron

"Just more Liberal speculation. Nothing there."

So you deny the meeting with Russian operatives (that Donald Jr. confirmed) ever took place. Poor Carlos a dupe to the very end.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/07/09/donald-trump-jr-s-stunningly-incriminating-statement-to-the-new-york-times/?utm_term=.695aa4d5625c

Carlos Ponce

Mark, you read ever Liberal spin put out against this president so much you don't know the truth any more. Jr.'s meeting with some Russian wanting to talk about adopting Russian children on the pretense that there was incriminating evidence on Hillary was not known by the presidential candidate at the time it happened. I never denied it happened. It was as your candidate said , "a nothing burger". Jr. was curious as anyone would be. Nothing came of it but when Liberals have nothing ........they become delusional.

Ken Hufstetler

Agree with Ms Gillentine and Jose Boix. "Let’s shun the troublemakers". And that is good advice for handling one particular contributor to this forum.

Jose' Boix

Thanks Ken, a bandwagon of 3...

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