What happens in Vegas can no longer be allowed to stay in Vegas after disgruntled gambler, Stephen Paddock, committed the largest mass shooting in modern American history. Using a device called a “bump stock” Paddock modified one of the dozens of guns found in his hotel room allowing it to fire hundreds of bullets per minute with a single trigger pull.

From the safety of his hotel room located 32 stories above a country music festival attended by 22,000 freedom loving Americans, Paddock opened fire killing at least 59 and wounding more than 500 people. Initial reports indicate that Paddock had 23 firearms in his hotel suite including AR-15 assault rifles and modified rifles outfitted with scopes and tripods.

A dozen “bump stocks” were reportedly recovered from Paddock’s Vegas hotel room. Bump stocks are devices that convert semi-automatic rifles into automatic weapons. According to the Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives bump stocks are legal because they do not have any “automatic function mechanical parts.”

Just how stupid do gun manufacturers, their lobbyists and the government think we are? Automatic weapons are supposed to be illegal — but that is OK — just buy a bump stock and presto you’ve got a machine gun.

In the bizarre world of the gun lobby, background checks fail despite support from 84 percent of Americans. Silencers should be legalized because they reduce hearing loss and even people on federal no-fly lists get to keep their constitutional right to buy guns.

Even though the NRA quickly announced they would be willing to let ATF, not Congress, take a look at regulating bump stocks it will be a cold day in hell before the gun lobby allows Congress to pass any meaningful gun regulation.

Don’t forget Congress took zero action after Aurora, Sandy Hook, Orlando, Dallas and every other mass shooting on a list that seems endless. The perpetrators of these assaults used semi-automatic weapons loading clip after clip firing dozens even hundreds of bullets per minute. These weapons are not hunting rifles or even hand guns designed for self-defense. They are nothing more than weapons of mass destruction that have no business being owned by any person not serving in law enforcement or the United State military.

After the murder of 20 children at Sandy Hook in 2012, Democratic Sen. Diane Feinstein, proposed legislation that would have banned weapons with military features, including bump stocks, and would have certainly saved some lives lost in Vegas. Even though Feinstein’s proposal legalized 2,000 different hunting and sporting firearms, and would have grandfathered every lawfully possessed weapon as of the date of its enactment, it brought down the wrath of the NRA and was obediently rejected by 60 so-called U.S. Senators.

America’s failure to solve our gun violence problem is a national disgrace. The old bumper sticker is still true. Guns don’t kill people, people do, and that includes gun lobbyists and their bought and paid for elected officials who lack the courage to stand up to them.

Neil G. Baron, an attorney and former League City Councilman, is writing columns from a progressive perspective.

(64) comments

Charles Tucker

This opinion piece is high on opinion and short on facts.

There has been no published evidence that the murderous coward was a "disgruntled gambler". There were reports of him having multiple gambling transactions in the time frame around his action, but those transactions did not reflect all losses. Instead, evidence shows that the man treated gambling in a very business-like manner and was not in debt to any casino. In fact, he was wealthy.

Second you confuse the potential rate of fire with the actual rate of fire. A firearm's rate of fire is only a potential. That potential is degraded by the facts of how it is fed ammunition. The police have not, to my knowledge, produced an actual number of shots fired during the approximately ten minute attack, but it did not equate hundreds of rounds per minute. Photos of the attacker's room showed that he was using standard volume magazines. He could fire 30 rounds out before his rifle was out of ammunition and required a magazine change. Since the attacker was not a well practiced user of rifles there were several second gaps while he either changed magazines or changed weapons. The total number of shots during the approximately ten minute attack could be in the low hundreds but it could not approach the claimed "hundreds of bullets per minute".

Bump stocks do not convert semi-automatic firearms into fully automatic firearms. They never did and did not in this case function in that fashion. Bump stocks allow a semi-automatic firearm to ride withing the stock to work the trigger mechanism inside the firearm faster than any human finger can move. It uses the firearm's recoil to power this action.The mechanism of the way the semi-automatic firearm functions has not been altered in any fashion. This is vastly different than altering a semi-automatic firearm to fire full auto. It is, instead, a simulation of that method of firing.

That reason is why the ATF had ruled that bump stocks did not alter the function of the firearm. The ATF didn't rule that way because of the NRA, gun manufacturers, lobbyists or citizens. They ruled based upon the actual facts. The bump stock did not alter the functioning of a semi-automatic firearm to make it into, "a machine gun".

Fully automatic firearms are not illegal. Not under federal law and not under Nevada state law. They are heavily regulated and the price of ownership has been artificially inflated by federal law, but they are not now nor were they ever illegal.

I do not understand why there is a paragraph about background checks in this opinion piece. There is extensive evidence that the murderous coward repeatedly passed the background checks for every single firearm found either at the scene or at his residence. I would say that this is plenty of evidence that background checks do not prevent crimes. Never have, never will.

Bringing mufflers into this discussion is also pointless. Despite the misuse of the word "silencer" the fact is that firearm suppressors are no more silent than the muffler on your own automobile. The same man used the same method to patent both firearm suppressors and automobile mufflers. Hollywood sound effects people make fools believe that firearms can be "silenced" but that is no more true than Autobots and Decepticons. They exist in fiction, not in fact. Laws should not be based upon fiction.

The list of errors in this opinion piece are much longer than I can afford the time to correct right now. A person can have their opinion, but they can not have their own facts. The real facts do not support the conclusions this writer wants to lead us to.

Josh Butler

Complete smackdown of this opinion piece. You should write a guest column.

Mark Aaron

Josh: "Complete smackdown of this opinion piece."

Only if you are easily deceived.

Josh Butler

my goodness, you are annoying, Mark.

Mark Aaron

Josh: "my goodness, you are annoying, Mark."

Think of me as an inconvenient truth. Maybe that will help. Or not. LOL!

Emile Pope

Just a bunch of long winded nonsense wrapped in jibberish...

Mark Aaron

Charles: "The total number of shots during the approximately ten minute attack could be in the low hundreds but it could not approach the claimed "hundreds of bullets per minute"."

The BBC and the NYTimes both report that at one point 90 rounds were fired in a 10 second period which puts a lie to your claims.
http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-41506723/las-vegas-shooting-rate-of-fire-inside-america-s-arsenal
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/04/us/bump-stock-las-vegas-gun.html

==> "The bump stock did not alter the functioning of a semi-automatic firearm to make it into, "a machine gun"."

That is a less than honest interpretation. The bump stocks effectively turned a semi-automatic into a machine gun. You can use sophistry to argue otherwise, but the proof is there for anyone to see.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B7tzaYgp5g

==> " I would say that this is plenty of evidence that background checks do not prevent crimes. Never have, never will."

Yet another thing you get wrong in you NRA-apologist tirade
_The concept of universal background checks enjoys rare broad support in the debate over gun violence: consistently at or near 90 percent . Large majorities of Republicans and Democrats favor the expansion of background checks to private sales and gun show sales, according to Pew. And there is solid research indicating that laws that keep guns out of the hands of high-risk individuals, such as domestic abusers and people convicted of violent crimes, reduce violence._
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/five-myths/five-myths-about-gun-violence/2017/10/06/c4536e44-a9ed-11e7-b3aa-c0e2e1d41e38_story.html?utm_term=.d9ddd1d53591.

A person can have their opinion, but they can not have their own facts. The real facts do not support the conclusions you try to lead us to believe.

Charles Tucker

90 rounds in a 10 second period is not hundreds of rounds per minute. Those reports did not state that 90 rounds were fired for every 10 second segment in the approximately 10 minute attack.

As to a bump stock turning a semi-automatic into a machine gun you are the one not being honest. A fully automatic firearm continues to fire until empty from a single trigger pull. The rifles equipped with a bump stock have the trigger mechanism being worked by the stock under the influence of the recoil energy. It is not a machine gun. It is a simulation of a machine gun. You may not redefine what a machine gun is in order to make your point. You can put up cute graphics but you are the one not providing facts.

My statement was that background checks do not prevent crimes. The study quoted by the WaPo only looked at whether background checks had an impact on whether a firearm was used. It did NOT state that the person subjected to the background check did not commit a crime some other way.

You have also failed to disprove the fact that the Vegas murderer passed background check after background check for each and every firearm found. How, then, is this wrong? The background checks most certainly did nothing to prevent this crime and that is an undeniable fact.

You venture into ad hominem attack by referring to my very calm and rational words that criticized the content of an opinion piece as "you NRA-apologist tirade". I did not apologize for the NRA since the NRA did nothing wrong. As to tirade my content speaks for itself as anything but a tirade. If you feel that my words were inflammatory then perhaps you are facing the fires form within your own heart. My words were tepid, at their worst.

Mark Aaron

Charles: "90 rounds in a 10 second period is not hundreds of rounds per minute. "

Last I checked 90 x 6 = 540. Or put another way, hundreds of rounds per minute. I'm guessing he was using 30 round clips and was apparently very practiced at switching them out. I can see him plausibly putting down 300 rounds per minute.

==> "As to a bump stock turning a semi-automatic into a machine gun you are the one not being honest. "

I said 'effectively,' meaning that his use of a bump stock had the effect of using a machine gun. Are you disputing that? Or are you trying to minimize the deadly effect by playing word games?

==> " It did NOT state that the person subjected to the background check did not commit a crime some other way. "

More sophistry as you try to dismiss the effectiveness of background checks. Right out of the NRA playbook.

==> "You venture into ad hominem attack by referring to my very calm and rational words that criticized the content of an opinion piece as "you NRA-apologist tirade"."

I agree "tirade" was not accurate. An "unreasonable attack" against Neil would have been a more apt description, but NRA-apologist is an accurate description of your effort to minimize and dismiss real world facts.

Emile Pope

"I would say that this is plenty of evidence that background checks do not prevent crimes. Never have, never will." Where? You make statements without evidence to support them.

Carlos Ponce

Poddack went through a background check every time he purchased a weapon. Did the background check prevent his criminal activity?????

Carlos Ponce

Does Neil list ONE measure that would have prevented the senseless massacre in Las Vegas? No.
Using the term "silencers" shows ignorance. The correct term would be "suppressors". They reduce the decibel level to that of a jack hammer (130 decibels) in those weapons . Silence? Hardly.
Ban the sale of that type of weapon? All those weapons would suddenly disappear from this country, right? No. It will just drive the price up.
Let's say Neil confiscates all weapons he deems are "assault" in nature. That would solve the problem, right? No. Stephen Paddock had other means of mass murder other than rifles including ammonium nitrate and Tannerite. Or we can turn to the European example where terrorists use other means to mass murder including running a vehicle through a crowd.
Stephen Paddock passed the background checks to purchase. Nancy and Hillary sound ignorant saying we need "background checks" since they're already in place.
Somebody knows more than they're letting on in Poddock's demeanor prior to the shooting. Confiscating his assets may loosen those who planned on inheriting them. When they discover they're getting nothing word will leak out. Funny that his clueless brother knew about his millions but little else. The funds can then be given to his victims or their families. This won't bring back those who died or ease the physical and mental suffering but it may eventually lead to his motives. And another thing, check Marilou Danley's monetary worth, bank accounts and other assets. All this will not prevent future killings but could answer many questions.

Mark Aaron

Carlos: "Does Neil list ONE measure that would have prevented the senseless massacre in Las Vegas?"

So besides being a Confederacy apologist and a White Supremacist apologist, you are also an NRA apologist, eh Carlos?

Numerous things could have had an impact on the massacre in Las Vegas. Start with the banning of rapid-fire high-capacity assault style weapons. Or the banning of bump stocks. Or tougher regulations that make it harder to stockpile personal arsenals. Or hotel regulations that make guests check their firearms. You can also regulate explosives more tightly to alert authorities. Any one of those things may well have prevented this massacre, and future massacres. They don't have to be perfect every time to still be effective.

Kelly Naschke

You have to give it to Neil.... he is getting better and better at being more and more political with less and less fact. A true carrier of the kool aid tinted water...speaking of.....where is Mark Aaron?

Kelly Naschke

Someone tell Neil that the Obama administration approved the bump stocks.

Doyle Beard

Right on Kelly. Do you think he would ever do that? No.It would not fit his agenda.

Jim Forsythe

One of the  reason it was OKed for sale, was because of a loophole in the law. 
“Automatic weapons have been illegal for more than 30 years, but there’s a loophole in the law that can be exploited to allow killers to fire at rates of between 400 and 800 rounds-per-minute," . "The only reason to fire so many rounds so fast is to kill large numbers of people. No one should be able to easily and cheaply modify legal weapons into what are essentially machine guns.”

If approval was wrong , change it.
Obama’s first term, the ATF issued an opinion letter to stock manufacturer Slide Fire on the company's after-market device. The bureau gave the company approval, according to the Media Research Center.
“The stock has no automatically funtioning mechanical parts or springs and performs no automatic mechanical function when installed,” reads the letter dated June 7, 2010. “In order to use the installed device, the shooter must apply constant forward pressure with the non-shooting hand and constant rearward pressure with the shooting hand. Accordingly, we find that the “bump-stock” is a firearm part and is not regulated as a firearm under Gun Control Act or the National Firearms Act.”

Kelly Naschke

Thanks for confirming my statement Jim.

Mark Aaron

Leroy: "Someone tell Neil that the Obama administration approved the bump stocks. "

Someone should tell you and the rest of the NRA dupes that the lax laws pushed by the NRA tied the hands of the administration and left them with no other recourse under the law. Senator Feinstein tried to regulate them, but that was shot down by the NRA and the politicians it owns.

Doyle Beard

Neil and Roberto always good for the laugh of the week. They should adopt the old dragnet theory. "Just the facts" but then of course they could not write their propaganda articles.

Kelly Naschke

Can one of you progressive liberals that want to strip the 2nd Ammendment please explain the FACT that gun ownership in the US is at all time high level, and somehow the gun murder rate has steadily DECREASED?

Jim Forsythe

Even if the number of deaths had gone down, we would still have a problem.
September 25, 2017
Violent crime increased for the second consecutive year, while property crime decreased for the 14th straight year, according to the FBI’s annual report on national crime statistics released today. There were an estimated 17,250 murders in the U.S. last year, an 8.6 percent increase from 2015.
Overall violent crime rose 4.1 percent last year, while property crime fell 1.3 percent compared to 2015 figures.
Crime in the United States, 2016 is a compilation of information reported to the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program by more than 16,000 law enforcement agencies nationwide
Compared to 22 other high-income nations, the United States' gun-related murder rate is 25 times higher
Compared to people in the other high-income nations, Americans are seven times more likely to die from violence and six times more likely to be accidentally killed with a gun.
Even though it has half the population of the other 22 nations combined, the United States accounted for 82 percent of all gun deaths. The United States also accounted for 90 percent of all women killed by guns, the study found. Ninety-one percent of children under 14 who died by gun violence were in the United States. And 92 percent of young people between ages 15 and 24 killed by guns were in the United States, the study found.

Kelly Naschke

Thanks for making my point for me Jim.

Jim Forsythe

Your point, "the gun murder rate has steadily DECREASED?" and it has gone up.

Carlos Ponce

Now Jim, do a study comparing open carry law states, concealed gun states and the states with the most gun control laws.

Kelly Naschke

Apples and apples Jim. Your skewed correlation is apples and oranges. Fact...gun ownership UP....Fact....murder rate attributed to guns DOWN. You can copy and paste as many ridiculous comparisons as you want Jim. The unskewed FACTS remain.

Jim Forsythe

Even if you are right, are the level of deaths acceptable to you. 
If not acceptable, what would you want the USA to do about it. Or do you just want to stay the course
What would be a unacceptable number of deaths to you?

The amendments to the United States Constitution can be changed if needed.
What may be needed is updating what a "disciplined militia, sufficiently armed "means.
Was sufficiently armed, to include all of the weapons we have now?
Are there weapons that you find unacceptable for the public to have? 


Carlos Ponce

"If not acceptable, what would you want the USA to do about it." Jim Forsythe
You teach youngsters to respect firearms. Think about the BSA merit badge in marksmanship: Rifle Shooting Merit Badge:
http://www.boyscouttrail.com/boy-scouts/meritbadges/rifle-shooting-merit-badge.asp
Good information here! Have you forgotten?
Do Boy Scouts with a Rifle Shooting Merit Badge turn into mass murderers? Not if they have properly taught.

Jim Forsythe

Most of the people that commit mass shootings have had mental health issues. Anyone can have Health issues, that may cause them to behave in a different way than before, even Boy Scouts .How are we addressing this?

Just as JFK  said, "If anyone is crazy enough to want to kill a president of the United States, he can do it. All he must be prepared to do is give his life for the president's". It's still true today, if anyone want's to do something , and are prepared to give their life , they can.

Here are just a few examples of people with mental health issues.
Three days before committing a mass shooting in San Diego that left 21 dead, James Huberty told his wife that he believed he had a mental health problem and called a clinic to request an appointment
The Columbine shootings sparked massive debate about American culture’s obsession with videogames as well as teen depression 
On April 16th of 2007, Virginia Tech University student Seung-Hui Cho shot and killed 32 people before committing suicide. Cho had a history of severe anxiety and had been accused of stalking two female students at the school. Because he had never been institutionalized, Cho was allowed to buy the guns that he used during his shooting spree. Before committing the crimes, the shooter had sent photos of himself holding guns as well as a manifesto to NBC News that depicted how he felt isolated and that society had forced him to go on a murder rampage
Prompted by his dissatisfaction with life and his career, James Holmes had aimed to kill people prior to the mass shooting he carried out during a screening of The Dark Knight Rises in Aurora, Colorado.
In December of 2012, Adam Lanza shot and killed his mother, then drove to the elementary school where she was a teacher and killed 26 young children. While his motive remains unclear, he had reportedly been obsessed with mass murders and the Columbine High School shooting in particular

Mark Aaron

Leroy: "that gun ownership in the US is at all time high level, and somehow the gun murder rate has steadily DECREASED?"

Because all violent crime has decreased since its high point in 1993, gun ownership has not been shown to have anything to do with the decrease. Though it may well explain an alarming increase in mass shootings.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/five-myths/five-myths-about-gun-violence/2017/10/06/c4536e44-a9ed-11e7-b3aa-c0e2e1d41e38_story.html?utm_term=.d9ddd1d53591

Kelly Naschke

You should have been a comedian Mark! Tow that line boy!!

Mark Aaron

Leroy: "You should have been a comedian Mark! Tow that line boy!! "

In other words you have no viable argument, so you deflect and insult.

Jim Forsythe


From the GDN
U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions last week announced several initiatives in response to FBI numbers showing homicide rates rose in 2016.
“According to the FBI, the violent crime rate has risen by nearly 7 percent over the past two years, and the homicide rate has risen by more than 20 percent,” Sessions said. “We cannot be complacent or hope that this is just an anomaly: we have a duty to take action.”
Some of the initiatives included adding 40 federal prosecutors to U.S. Attorney offices across the country, awarding $98 million in hiring grants to state, local and tribal law enforcement and a more streamlined process to get information back about firearms used in crimes.

Carlos Ponce

And they rose in states, cities with the toughest gun laws. Imagine that.

Kelly Naschke

Wow....even head ring leader of the libtard circus, Dianne Feinstein makes a statement that there are NO laws that could have stopped the Vegas catastrophe. Funny watching Neil’s opinions get diminished by one of his very own organ grinders!

Mark Aaron

Leroy: "Wow....even head ring leader of the libtard circus"

Does your mom know you are using her account Leroy? How old are you, btw, fourteen?

Kelly Naschke

So says the man with the childish emoji! Funny!!!

Don Schlessinger

Kelly it's his first amendment right, and okay in this rag. I'm looking for an emoji with a guy holding a automatic weapon. We'll see how long it will last.

PD Hyatt

I wish the progressive liberals who hate our Constitution and hate the way that it was written and don't understand what or why the 2nd Amendment was written for would do the police a favor and NOT call when a crime is committed.... I also wish that they would look at what is the biggest killer which is not guns. Why don't they advocate making cars illegal as they kill far more than what guns do every year.... while they are at it let them advocate getting rid of baseball bats, crow bars, knives, and hammers. Of course they won't do that as in their simple minds guns are evil.... What they do not understand and never will is that a gun by itself has NEVER killed anyone.... Paddock bought what was legal, and bought them by the law.... bump stocks are not the problem as all of the progressive liberals proclaim... If you are h*ll bent on committing evil you will find a way to do evil.... What the progressive left and their media lap dogs really want is to destroy the 2nd Amendment so that they can then destroy the rest of our Constitution because without the 2nd Amendment all of our other rights will be taken away.... How sad and pathetic the progressives have become and what is really sad is that NONE of them have a clue about our real history and what it is all about as they want to rewrite our history and are doing a good job of it....

Mark Aaron

Paul: "I wish the progressive liberals who hate our Constitution and hate the way that it was written and don't understand what or why the 2nd Amendment was written"

The 2nd Amendment, as I have noted and sourced numerous times here, was written to protect southern slave posses from being disarmed by Northern abolitionists. That was a necessary bargaining chip to get the South to support ratification of the Constitution.

==> "Why don't they advocate making cars illegal as they kill far more than what guns do every year...."

Here's a better idea: lets register, license, inspect, and insure all firearms like we do automobiles. You might also want to remember that the primary purpose of automobiles is not to kill or injure.

==> "bump stocks are not the problem as all of the progressive liberals proclaim..."

Are you actually saying you think they should remain legal? That they do no harm?

==> " If you are h*ll bent on committing evil you will find a way to do evil...."

So you agree with George that we don't don't need laws because the crazies and criminals will just ignore them anyway?

==> "How sad and pathetic the progressives have become and what is really sad is that NONE of them have a clue about our real history and what it is all about as they want to rewrite our history and are doing a good job of it...."

How sad that you have been so duped by the NRA that you are completely unaware that before the NRA glommed onto it and distorted it beginning in the late 1970's no one ever construed it as conferring an individual right. For over 200 years it was found to be inextricably tied to membership in a well regulated militia.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2016/06/how_the_nra_perverted_the_meaning_of_the_2nd_amendment.html

==> "What the progressive left and their media lap dogs really want is to destroy the 2nd Amendment "

The 2nd Amendment is an anachronism and it should be repealed just like prohibition was. Militias are no longer needed in America, we have law enforcement agencies now.

We repealed the 18th Amendment and our Constitution survived just fine. There is no good reason why we can't repeal the much abused 2nd Amendment.

Kelly Naschke

The depth of MarkAarons ignorance is almost unfathomable. Either that or he just thrives on the demb demb narrative. I learned more about what the 2nd Amnendment was about as a 3rd grader at Trinity than this hack knows about as a semi senile sounding liberal operative. The more you reply the more you contribute to your inability to convey one shred of rational thought. Keep it up Mr Emoji.

Mark Aaron

Leroy: "The depth of MarkAarons ignorance is almost unfathomable. Either that or he just thrives on the demb demb narrative."

As usual Leroy you bring zero facts to the discussion, just name calling and insults. Grow up. Try again if you ever figure out what a credible argument is.

Doyle Beard

hypocrite about insults

Dan Freeman

We have about one mass shooting per day in the U.S. https://www.massshootingtracker.org/data
Up or down, mass shootings continue: https://www.massshootingtracker.org/data

Stop the sale of semi automatic weapons and large capacity magazines. Neither is of any value in hunting or target practice. Like George H.W. Bush I resigned from the NRA decades ago, when they switched from gun safety and paying lobbyists big money to oppose gun regulation.

Kelly Naschke

What’s next Dan...cars, trucks, airplanes, screwdrivers, nails, pressure cookers........???

Mark Aaron

Leroy: "What’s next Dan...cars, trucks, airplanes, screwdrivers, nails, pressure cookers........???"

None of those are designed to kill. Do try to keep up Leroy. This isn't a remedial forum for the slow witted.

Carlos Ponce

Firearms are one weapon of choice in the United States. Remove firearms and no more mass killings, right? WRONG.
6 Killed in Arson, Stabbing Rampage in Seoul, South Korea 10/2008
Anti-police stabbing spree in Shanghai, China: 7/2008
Akihabara Massacre, Chiyoda City, Tokyo, Japan: 6/8/2008. 7 people killed (3 struck by car, 4 by stabbing), many more injured. Man slammed into a crowd with his car, then jumped out and began stabbing people to death.
18 year old slashes 4 to death in Sitka, Alaska, US: 3/25/2008. 4 people killed. 18 year old kills 4 people, related to him, with a 5 inch knife.
Stabbing spree wounds 41, 6 seriously in Berlin Train Station: 5/26/2006. 41 wounded, 6 seriously.
4 killed in stabbing spree in London, UK: 9/2004. 4 killed, 2 wounded. Mentally ill man attacks mostly older people.
6 killed over Xbox dispute in Deltona, Florida, US: 8/6/2004. 6 killed. 4 men bludgeon 6 people to death with baseball bats over purloined Xbox.
Daegu subway fire, Daegu, South Korea: 2/18/2003. 198 killed, 147 injured. A 56 year old unemployed taxi driver, dissatisfied with his medical treatment, sets fire to a crowded train.
Osaka School Massacre, Osaka Japan: 6/8/2001. 8 children dead, 13 other children and 2 teachers wounded. Committed by 37 year old former janitor armed with a kitchen knife.
The worst mass murders in the world were committed by fire, not firearms.
Just a few examples. Ban kitchen knives, baseball bats, matches?

Jim Forsythe

Maybe you forgot about a few mass murders.
But both Hitler and Stalin were outdone by Mao Zedong. From 1958 to 1962, his Great Leap Forward policy led to the deaths of up to 45 million people – easily making it the biggest episode of mass murder ever recorded.

Paula Flinn

The NRA has changed very much since the 1990's. I received a call from them before the last election, and they used despicable language to describe the "enemy," the Democrats. They were spreading the "universal lie" that "the Democrats would take away your guns," if Mrs. Clinton was elected--as if there are no Democrats that are hunters and have guns for self-defense or protecting their own. I was surprised that they were so disgusting and deplorable. I am glad my husband, who was both a Democrat and a member of the NRA, did not live to see this. He would have been sad. He loved the Guns & Ammo Magazine, though.

Carlos Ponce

Apparently Paula hasn't heard Democrats calling for the repeal of the Second Amendment.
Just websearch "Liberals want to repeal Second Amendment".
Nor has she heard Liberals calling for the murder of the NRA president.

Mark Aaron

Carlos: "Firearms are one weapon of choice in the United States. Remove firearms and no more mass killings, right? WRONG."

You have to go around the world and all the way back to 2001 to try to equal what gun violence does in a week in America. That hardly supports your pitiful attempt at equivalence Carlos. So sad that you are reduced to such pathetic fallacy to get a pat on the head from the NRA and its acolytes.

Dan Freeman

Thank you Carlos for finding 10 mass killings around the world since 2001 with knives, bats and and fire. We can beat that in the U.S. in the month of September 2017. My point stands, matches, knives and bats are not designed to kill people. Semi automatic guns and large capacity magazines are designed to kill people. And do not remind me about airplanes killing people. Again not designed for it.

If you want to talk about weapons of war, it is a different story.

Carlos Ponce

A gun used in self defense is meant to kill? Yes!!!!!!
If confronted by an assailant, bigger stronger, maybe armed with a knife, bat, trained in martial arts (you get the idea), a gun in a trained person's hand is a great equalizer. And if they assault in a home invasion threatening you and yours, a semi-automatic comes in handy.

Don Schlessinger

Dan, do you remember when you were trained to use bayonets to kill people in the military? Bayonets are knives with a different name.

Mark Aaron

Carlos: "If confronted by an assailant, bigger stronger, maybe armed with a knife, bat, trained in martial arts (you get the idea), a gun in a trained person's hand is a great equalizer. And if they assault in a home invasion threatening you and yours, a semi-automatic comes in handy."

Here is an even better equalizer: dial 911. Why do you NRA-dupes pretend the police don't exist? Having a gun doesn't guarantee your safety and may well put you and others around you in greater danger.

Paula Flinn

Bump stocks should be illegal. No one but the military needs guns that shoot like a machine gun. If Dianne Feinstein's bill had prevailed maybe not so many would have been killed in Las Vegas. There is too much money with the NRA bribing Congress and buying votes.

Carlos Ponce

Bump stocks are not popular among semi-automatic users because those firearms were not designed for rapid fire and overheat.
However, there are other means of accomplishing the same effect using homemade devices.

Jim Forsythe

The difference with using the Bump stocks, and converting a rifle is one is legal, and one is not,unless the person has a  class 2 weapons manufacturing license. To convert, one would need a class 2 weapons manufacturing license plus you must pay an additional $500- $1000 annually fee. The penalty for converting a rifle illegally,  is up to 10 years in prison and $10,000 fine
Overheating happens when using the bump stock, just as using a converted rifle.
To overcome the heating problem all that is needed is a barrel made of  Hammer forged chrome molly vanadium that is referred to as "Machine Gun Steel" also Moly Bullets would Extend Barrel Life and would help with overheating problem.
You may only own a machine gun that was manufactured and registered with the BATF before May 19, 1986. Weapons manufactured after that date are restricted for Military and Law Enforcement use only
Should registered sear, be legal?
If you own an H&K 91, 93, or 94, you could legally purchase a registered sear, transfer with appropriate paperwork, and install it in you existing trigger pack. This assumes that the now "machine gun" is legal where you live, and you can comply with all ATF requirements for the transfer. 

“I own a lot of guns, and as a hunter and sportsman, I think that’s our right as Americans, but I don’t understand the use of this bump stock,” Senator John Cornyn of Texas, the No. 2 Republican in the Senate, said, adding, “It seems like it’s an obvious area we ought to explore and see if it’s something Congress needs to act on.”
Representative Bill Flores, Republican of Texas, called for an outright ban.
Some Republicans, including Rep. Carlos Curbelo of Florida, have suggested taking some limited action on gun control. Curbelo said he would support a ban on "bump stocks," which allow a semi-automatic weapon to essentially become a fully automatic one, and are completely legal. At least one bump stock was discovered by police in the hotel room of the Las Vegas shooter.
Even House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wisc., has said the legality of the devices should be looked into.
Other Republican senators, including Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, Orrin G. Hatch of Utah and Marco Rubio of Florida, said they would be open to considering legislation on bump stocks.
Representative Mark Meadows, the head of the conservative Freedom Caucus, also said he would be open to considering a bill. .

Paula Flinn

Thanks, Neil Baron, for the enlightening article.

Diane Turski

Beware of the results of the web searches Carlos suggests - there is now proof that there are many Russian paid liars for hire there! No liberals or Democrats are calling for anything Carlos is claiming! Stop believing propaganda!!

Doyle Beard

beware of the hypocrites

Carlos Ponce

You mean Michael Moore is RUSSIAN????[scared]

Jim Forsythe

No Carlos he was born in Flint city, MI

Carlos Ponce

I posted: "If confronted by an assailant, bigger stronger, maybe armed with a knife, bat, trained in martial arts (you get the idea), a gun in a trained person's hand is a great equalizer. And if they assault in a home invasion threatening you and yours, a semi-automatic comes in handy."
Someone suggested call 911. Really?
Confronted by an assailant- "Excuse me, assailant while I dial 911."
While that worked for Mrs. Robinson in "The Graduate", I doubt if it would work in reality.
Note that possession of a firearm should be accompanied by proper training either by an experienced mentor or lessons in marksmanship.

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