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Carlos Ponce

Neil has run out of things to write about so he gives us this "nothing burger" of a column. How about writing about the topic of today's editorial cartoon? Plenty of political intrigue there. Maybe if Neil wrote about the Clintons' collusion with Russia he would regain a shred of respectability. Does "self-respect" mean anything to you, Neil?

Mark Aaron

Carlos: [Neil has run out of things to write about so he gives us this "nothing burger" of a column. ]

So the death of four American Soldiers is a "nothing-burger" to you Carlos?

Josh Butler

You mean like Benghazi?

Mark Aaron

Josh: [You mean like Benghazi?]

No, the GOP thought Benghazi was the ultimate loss. They had hearing after hearing after hearing about Benghazi. Why have they suddenly lost all interest in the death of four American Green Berets? Will Trump and his Generals pass the tests as well as Sec. Clinton did? I doubt it given that Trump and Kelly have both been caught in lies already.

Carlos Ponce

No Little Marky but the politicization of the deaths is unwarranted in this.
Unlike Benghazi where the amassador's pleas for help were ignored, American troops wanting to go in and help but upper echelons nixed that idea and a cover-up as to what happened.

Mark Aaron

Carlos: [No Little Marky but the politicization of the deaths is unwarranted in this.]

Yes, Trump acting like an ass, lying, and sending his general out to lie for him was worse than unwarranted.

Carlos Ponce

What lies? Little Marky is spreading propaganda under the banner of "FACTS".

Mark Aaron

Carlos: [the politicization of the deaths is unwarranted in this.

Trump didn't call families about the high profile Green Berets' ambush for 12 days. When called on it by the press he rushes to call them.

Trump then made news with his callous remark to a grieving mother. He then lied about it and dishonorably attacked a congresswoman who witnessed his callousness. He then sent out General Kelly to lie for him and attack the congresswoman yet again. The General was caught in a big lie about the congresswoman.

Trump could have just apologized for his faux pas. Instead he lied and attacked, And then conspired with his general to attack with more lies. Now who is doing the politicizing here?

==> [American troops wanting to go in and help but upper echelons nixed that idea and a cover-up as to what happened.]

Who are you saying nixed a coverup?

Mark Aaron

Carlos: [What lies? Little Marky is spreading propaganda under the banner of "FACTS". ]

From Wikipedia:

_ "[Trump] falsely accused his predecessors, specifically President Obama, of not or rarely calling the families of deceased soldiers."_

_"Trump, who said that he "had a very nice conversation with the woman, with the wife" and accused Wilson of "fabricating" her account."_

_" White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders instead saying that Wilson willfully mischaracterized the spirit of the conversation."_

"_Kelly, whose son was killed in the War in Afghanistan in 2010, defended Trump's call with the widow of Sgt. La David Johnson."_

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongo_Tongo_ambush

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General Kelly continued to lie and attack for Trump:

_" [General Kelly] accused Wilson of inappropriately listening to Trump's call to the widow of Army Sgt. La David Johnson"_

_"Further seeking to undermine Wilson, Kelly alleged that the Florida representative flippantly claimed credit for getting funding for a Miami FBI building that was dedicated to two slain agents. Video from the event directly refutes Kelly's claims. "_

_"Press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders defended Kelly, a four-star general, by saying it was inappropriate to criticize someone of his rank."_

_"For his part, Trump attacked Wilson again Sunday through his Twitter account."_

_""Wacky Congresswoman Wilson is the gift that keeps on giving for the Republican Party, a disaster for Dems. You watch her in action & vote R!""_

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/22/black-caucus-wilson-john-kelly-244045

Carlos Ponce

Little Marky:
General Kelly is a Gold Star Father whose son was killed in action - never received a phone call from the president at the time - Obama.
Trina Dutton, mother of Army Specialist James E. Dutton who was killed on March 31, 2012, said when her son was killed there was no personal contact from then President Barack Obama.
“When my son [Marine Cpl. Max Donahue age 23] died, then-President Obama not only made no effort to reach out, but the condolence letter we received was signed by a computer,” she said. “He didn’t even sign the letter!”
Jill Stephenson revealed that she, too, never got that personal call from Obama when her son, U.S. Army Ranger Benjamin Kopp, died in 2009.
I hope you believe these Gold Star Families. Plenty more if you just search.

Carlos Ponce

Little Marky, the sorrow expressed by the widow of a fallen soldier is understandable and I offer condolences. However, congresswoman BIG HAT has a reputation of being a Trump Hater. And now she calls herself "a rock star."
So now you are calling General Kelly a liar? He's an American war veteran who lost his own son in combat.

Carlos Ponce

"Trump didn't call families about the high profile Green Berets' ambush for 12 days."
Think, Little Marky. If you were Commander in Chief wouldn't you want to know all the details before speaking to grieving families? To do so would be insensitive. Sorry about your loved one's death. We don't know why he was killed or any particulars but Little Marky demands expediency.

"Trump then made news with his callous remark to a grieving mother."
Callous? Those words, phrases were given to him by a Gold Star father, a GENERAL who has used those words in the past when his own men died. Informing a widow or grieving parents isn't easy. The grieving widow's feelings are understandable. What's not is Congresswoman BIG HAT. Instead of comforting the widow who would have cried no matter what the president said she decided to lash out against the president. That's something she's been doing even before he took office. She's the callous one.
Condolences and sympathy to the families of all servicemen killed. Congresswoman BIG HAT is not a nice woman but now refers to herself as "a rock star". That shows her character or rather lack of.

Mark Aaron

Carlos: [General Kelly is a Gold Star Father whose son was killed in action - never received a phone call from the president at the time - Obama.]

President Obama had General Kelly to breakfast at the Whitehouse along with other Gold Star families.

Carlos Ponce

"President Obama had General Kelly to breakfast at the Whitehouse along with other Gold Star families."
That was several months later, Little Marky.
1st Lt. Robert Kelly was killed in action on November 9, 2010. The breakfast was held in May 2011. But a phone call offering condolences???? No.

Mark Aaron

Carlos: [ However, congresswoman BIG HAT has a reputation of being a Trump Hater.]

Most people hate Trump, including the Republicans in Congress. No surprise that you hate the congresswoman given that she is Black.

Carlos Ponce

Little Marky, I do not hate Congresswoman BIG HAT. Most people do not HATE President Trump. They may disagree with him on policy, actions and tactics but that is not equated with HATE. If you HATE President Trump that's your business. But do not lump in the rest of the world or most of it with your HATRED. You can not speak for them. And don't quote any polls please. I have demonstrated how they are skewed. They lack credibility.

Mark Aaron

Carlos: [ And don't quote any polls please. I have demonstrated how they are skewed. They lack credibility.]

You are still pretending you know more about polls than the world's top pollsters. Sure Carlos.

Carlos Ponce

Little Marky, a person is gullible if he actually believes those biased polls. A person is stupid if when presented proof that they are biased they still believe them.
I have presented the PROOF they are biased and skewed, Do you still believe?

Carol Dean

That would be the "establishment" Republicans, Little Marky. And last time .I checked...you are the one who brought up what color anyone is. Trying to stir the pot???

Mark Aaron

Carlos: [a person is gullible if he actually believes those biased polls. A person is stupid if when presented proof that they are biased they still believe them.I have presented the PROOF they are biased and skewed, ]

No, Carlos, you don't have proof of anything. You are delusional if you think that you, Carlos, know something about polls that the world's best professional pollsters don't.

Mark Aaron

Carlos: [ And don't quote any polls please. I have demonstrated how they are skewed.]

No you haven't Carlos. You merely claim you know more about polling that the world's best professional pollsters.

Carlos Ponce

Little Marky, I know about polling and statistics and can easily see how they can be manipulated. Skewing your sample is the obvious way and that's exactly what the polls you present have done. As a teacher I can only fix ignorance, not stupidity.

Mark Aaron

Carol: [That would be the "establishment" Republicans, Little Marky.]

Otherwise known as the majority of Republicans.

==> [And last time .I checked...you are the one who brought up what color anyone is. Trying to stir the pot???]

Just noting Carlos' consistent habit of dismissing and labeling any Black people he sees in the news.

Josh Butler

Why did the GDN put a satire article in the opinion section?

Ron Binkley

I rarely watched the evening network news until the elections last year. Now, I hardly miss it so that I can see what stupid, arrogant words come out of Trumps mouth.

Mark Aaron

Ron: [I rarely watched the evening network news until the elections last year. Now, I hardly miss it so that I can see what stupid, arrogant words come out of Trumps mouth.]

Similarly entertaining are his supporters trying to excuse Trump's behavior.

Mark Aaron

Josh: [Why did the GDN put a satire article in the opinion section? ]

Trump is satirical, I have to give you that.

Diane Turski

This Trump "reality show" should be canceled immediately!!

TR Galan

There is a thread of truth in Mr. Baron’s article. It’s safe to say the Administration often finds itself in defensive mode and spending political capital on self-inflicted pettiness. This is capital that could be leveraged not only in tax reform, healthcare, education and infrastructure but also leading on the international stage. Instead of selectively choosing it’s battles, Trump launches head-first in petty and dangerous arguments having no meaningful outcome or benefit yet all of the worst optics possible. Last week, China’s Xi Jinping announced a decades long plan to further strengthen that country’s economic and military stronghold. While the Administration is visiting the region beginning this week is a plus, the national buffoonery and ‘fiddling while Rome burns’ is not lost in major capitals and leaders around the globe. You want a “something burger”, then watch the long term economic flow going elsewhere.

Doyle Beard

Surely sad that 4 of our brave warriors lost their life in Niger. I am feel for their familes just like the families from the Benghazi incident. Obam and hillary spoke out before the investigation with some lies and even though Hillary knew better. Just more hypocrisy. Neil writes a 9 paragraph letter an uses the Niger incient in 2 so he could make try and fool the sheep. this was nothing but using the deaths of Americans in order to blastt the other side. Shame on you Neil for using these people for your gain.
These people need to be honored and not use for political gain but in reality Neil doesnt care. He has proven this quite often, nothing will stand in his way.

Ron Binkley

Trump refuses to accept responsibility for any of his actions. He has never said "I'm wrong". He always puts a spin on his wrong doings and blames others and gets away with it.

Mark Aaron

Doyle: [ Obam and hillary spoke out before the investigation with some lies and even though Hillary knew better.]

Why are you lying like that Doyle? Post a link to any of those claims.

Doyle Beard

I saw them on


I saw them on TV saying Hillary they were going hunt down the film maker.Susan Rice in TV saying the same thing Hillary and Obama were saying . It was a movie. I saw Hillary in the airport telling the families it was a film. Where have you been that you cant remember that?

Doyle Beard

you have to be kidding about Hillary and Obama blaming a film. If you don't know any better you might oughta open you eyes.

Carlos Ponce

"Video wrongly blamed for Benghazi attack" CNN News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0u1Doj9fiI
"Hillary blames an awful internet video when the bodies of 4 Dead Americans arrive home" Secretary Clinton News Conference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-BWzaYp3qc
"Hillary Clinton blames youtube video for Benghazi"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3RfxNJBArU
At the Benghazi Hearing:
"So if there's no evidence for a video-inspired protest, then where did the false narrative start? It started with you, Madam Secretary.
At 10:08, on the night of the attack, you released this statement, "Some have sought to justify the vicious behavior as a response to inflammatory material posted on the Internet."
At 10:08, with no evidence, at 10:08, before the attack is over, at 10:08, when Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty are still on the roof of the annex, fighting for their lives, the official statement of the State Department blames a video.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/10/22/rep_jim_jordan_vs_hillary_clinton_why_did_you_tell_egyptians_benghazi_was_a_terrorist_attack_but_not_the_american_people.html

Jim Forsythe

Could lack of funding, been part of the problem? Of course it was.
Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) acknowledged on Wednesday that House Republicans had consciously voted to reduce the funds allocated to the State Department for embassy security since winning the majority in 2010.
On Wednesday morning, CNN anchor Soledad O’Brien asked the Utah Republican if he had “voted to cut the funding for embassy security.”
“Absolutely,” Chaffetz said. “Look we have to make priorities and choices in this country. We have…15,000 contractors in Iraq. We have more than 6,000 contractors, a private army there, for President Obama, in Baghdad. And we’re talking about can we get two dozen or so people into Libya to help protect our forces. When you’re in tough economic times, you have to make difficult choices. You have to prioritize things.”
For the past two years, House Republicans have continued to deprioritize the security forces protecting State Department personnel around the world. In fiscal year 2011, lawmakers shaved $128 million off of the administration’s request for embassy security funding. House Republicans drained off even more funds in fiscal year 2012 — cutting back on the department’s request by $331 million.
Consulate personnel stationed in Benghazi had allegedly expressed concerns over their

How quick did help come. Within 25 minutes.
"But the defense secretary and Joint Chiefs Chairman Martin Dempsey were not alerted to the attack for 50 minutes, and they in turn did not raise the issue with the president until a previously scheduled meeting with Obama at the White House at 5 p.m. -- one hour and 18 minutes after the attack began."
"That same DS agent (at the consulate) also called the annex to request assistance from security personnel there, who immediately began to prepare to aid the U.S. personnel at the diplomatic facility,” according to the Senate Homeland Security Committee’s report.
The CIA response team from the annex arrived at the consulate which was one mile away within 25 minutes. CIA Director David Petraeus was in the CIA operations center overseeing the rescue that night and did not leave until all U.S. personnel were accounted for. Petraeus flew to Tripoli in subsequent weeks to interview the station chief and others about what happened that night and found there was no delay in rescue efforts."

This was the start of, as President , not me, it was someone else's fault.
President Trump on Tuesday blamed the military for the death of Chief Petty Officer William “Ryan” Owens, a Navy SEAL who was killed in a Jan. 29 botched raid on Islamic terrorists in Yemen.
During an interview on “Fox ‘n’ Friends,” the commander-in-chief repeatedly said “they” — meaning the military — were at fault for the death of Owens, whose dad, Bill, refused to appear with Trump when his son’s body was returned to the US

Carlos Ponce

Jim posts:" Could lack of funding, been part of the problem?"
WAPO gave Barbara Boxer’s claim that GOP budgets hampered Benghazi security three Pinocchios.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/barbara-boxers-claim-that-gop-budgets-hampered-benghazi-security/2013/05/15/d1e295cc-bdb0-11e2-97d4-a479289a31f9_blog.html

Jim Forsythe

Priorities and choices, made it hard for security forces, protecting State Department personnel to protect the embassies. 
Consulate personnel stationed in Benghazi, had  expressed concerns over their Safety! You can not reduce funding , and expect Safety to be at the same level !

The House Republicans had consciously voted to reduce the funds !
Consulate personnel stationed in Benghazi had allegedly expressed concerns over their safety in the months leading up to the Sept. 11 attacks that killed four Americans, including Amb Chris Stevens. Chaffetz and Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), who chairs the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, claim those concerns were ignored. 
Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) acknowledged on Wednesday that House Republicans had consciously voted to reduce the funds allocated to the State Department for embassy security since winning the majority in 2010.
On Wednesday morning, CNN anchor Soledad O’Brien asked the Utah Republican if he had “voted to cut the funding for embassy security.”
“Absolutely,” Chaffetz said. “Look we have to make priorities and choices in this country. We have…15,000 contractors in Iraq. We have more than 6,000 contractors, a private army there, for President Obama, in Baghdad. And we’re talking about can we get two dozen or so people into Libya to help protect our forces. When you’re in tough economic times, you have to make difficult choices. You have to prioritize things.”
For the past two years, House Republicans have continued to deprioritize the security forces protecting State Department personnel around the world. In fiscal year 2011, lawmakers shaved $128 million off of the administration’s request for embassy security funding. House Republicans drained off even more funds in fiscal year 2012 — cutting back on the department’s request by $331 million.


Jim Forsythe

Priorities and choices, made it hard for security forces, protecting State Department personnel to protect the embassies. 
Consulate personnel stationed in Benghazi, had  expressed concerns over their Safety! You can not reduce funding , and expect Safety to be at the same level !

The House Republicans had consciously voted to reduce the funds !
Consulate personnel stationed in Benghazi had allegedly expressed concerns over their safety in the months leading up to the Sept. 11 attacks that killed four Americans, including Amb Chris Stevens. Chaffetz and Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), who chairs the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, claim those concerns were ignored. 
Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) acknowledged on Wednesday that House Republicans had consciously voted to reduce the funds allocated to the State Department for embassy security since winning the majority in 2010.
On Wednesday morning, CNN anchor Soledad O’Brien asked the Utah Republican if he had “voted to cut the funding for embassy security.”
“Absolutely,” Chaffetz said. “Look we have to make priorities and choices in this country. We have…15,000 contractors in Iraq. We have more than 6,000 contractors, a private army there, for President Obama, in Baghdad. And we’re talking about can we get two dozen or so people into Libya to help protect our forces. When you’re in tough economic times, you have to make difficult choices. You have to prioritize things.”
For the past two years, House Republicans have continued to deprioritize the security forces protecting State Department personnel around the world. In fiscal year 2011, lawmakers shaved $128 million off of the administration’s request for embassy security funding. House Republicans drained off even more funds in fiscal year 2012 — cutting back on the department’s request by $331 million.

"WAPO gave Barbara Boxer’s claim that GOP budgets hampered Benghazi security three Pinocchios."
Fact-checking the Benghazi attacks
By Glenn Kessler  October 21, 2015
This is one of the many times Kessler has clearly played politics (he is a Republican) with his Fact Checker column. 

Carlos Ponce

"However, the final bill, after being worked on by the Democratic-led Senate, put in more money than what had passed in the House. The final bill, which passed with bipartisan support, gave a total of $2.37 billion to these accounts for fiscal 2012 -- about $270 million less than what the administration had requested.
Conclusion: The GOP-led House did initially approve about $330 million less than what the administration requested, but in the final bill, passed with bipartisan support after adjustments by the Senate, put the amount a little closer to the administration's target."
http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/12/politics/fact-check-benghazi-security/index.html
I hope you understand the term BIPARTISAN.
Obama requested $2.641 billion
GOP led House passed $2.311 billion
Democratic-led Senate wanted and passed $2.37 billion. This was the final bill which $270 million less than Obama requested.
Problem is there was no embassy in Benghazi. It was a consulate. Money was spent on the actual embassy and support in Tripoli.
"The embassy in Tripoli is a fairly new facility. It was constructed in 2009 in accordance with security standards established by the Diplomatic Security Service at the State Department. The building in Benghazi was basically a villa that was being rented to serve as a temporary consulate. So it was built in accordance with your normal residential security standards for Libya. It was not made to withstand rocket or bomb attacks. So it was not a very secure facility at all."
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/securing-embassies
(CNSNews.com) -- Amb. Chris Stevens--murdered by terrorists in Benghazi, Libya on the eleventh anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks—was at the poorly secured State Department facility in that city that day at least in part because Secretary of State Hillary Clinton wanted to convert the department compound there into a permanent outpost and department officials wanted her to be able to announce this was the case when she made a planned visit to Libya in December 2012."
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/testimony-stevens-went-benghazi-mission-91112-so-clinton-could-announce-upcoming-libyan

Carlos Ponce

The difference, Jim between the GOP House proposed budget and the Democrat Senate version was $60 million. That's a lot to you and me but spread out over 294 embassies, diplomatic missions and consulates that amounts to only $200,000 per facility. Still that was more than was budgeted in years leading up to the Benghazi attack.

Carol Dean

Li'l Mark, you're the one who is fabricating the facts!

Mark Aaron

Doyle: [you have to be kidding about Hillary and Obama blaming a film. If you don't know any better you might oughta open you eyes.]

Can you please cite a credible source for this easy-to-find allegation Doyle?

Mark Aaron

Carlos: ["Video wrongly blamed for Benghazi attack" CNN News]

The first few seconds of the link explains that there were protests throughout the Muslim world because of the anti-Muhammad film. At the time the connection to Benghazi was a natural assumption most informed people made.

And Doyle thinks this is nefarious because why?

Carlos Ponce

Hillary knew better when she lied to the American people.
"Rep. Jim Jordan vs. Hillary Clinton: Why Did You Tell Egyptians Benghazi Was a Terrorist Attack But Not The American People?"
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/10/22/rep_jim_jordan_vs_hillary_clinton_why_did_you_tell_egyptians_benghazi_was_a_terrorist_attack_but_not_the_american_people.html
"Hillary Told Chelsea Truth About Benghazi, But Not American People"
http://www.weeklystandard.com/hillary-told-chelsea-truth-about-benghazi-but-not-american-people/article/1051078
"The summary of Clinton’s conversation on September 12, 2012, with Egyptian prime minister Hesham Kandil reported that Clinton told him that there had been no protest in Libya and that the attack was not related to a controversial internet video that would later become the centerpiece of the Obama administration’s public narrative on the Benghazi attacks.
“We know that the attack in Libya had nothing to do with the film,” Clinton explained, according to a memo prepared by a State Department note-taker to record the conversation. “It was a planned attack – not a protest.”
"Hillary Clinton sent an email to her daughter, Chelsea, on Sept. 11, 2012 in which she asserted that an al-Qaida-like group was responsible for the terrorist attacks in Benghazi, it was revealed on Thursday during the former secretary of state’s testimony to the House Select Committee on Benghazi."
http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/22/hillary-told-daughter-chelsea-that-terrorists-were-behind-benghazi-attack-the-night-it-happened-video/
"Hillary told daughter Chelsea that an 'Al-Qaeda-like group' carried out the Benghazi attack in an email sent the night of the deadly consulate assault "
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3404112/Emails-Hillary-Clinton-daughter-Chelsea-night-Benghazi-attacks-revealed.html

Mark Aaron

Carlos: [Hillary knew better when she lied to the American people.]

What goofy nonsense. There is a reason the only sources you can find for this goofy claim are far right propaganda mills like the Daily Caller. This is a meaningless tempest in a tea kettle. Like everyone else on the planet Sec. Clinton's perception changed as more information came in. You are so easily bamboozled.

Jarvis Buckley

That a terroristic threat Diane?
Against our President.

Carol Dean

Doyle Beard, you seriously don't remember Hillary and BO blaming it on a video??? It's time to pay better attention to the facts!

Doyle Beard

YOU BETTER READ MY POSTS AGAIN

Doyle Beard

tHAT WAS MY rEPLY TO mARK WHEN HE CALLED ME A LIAR WHEN I POSTED THat hillaRY a.nd BO lied. I told him he must be kidding.

Carol Dean

Sorry about that! Little Marky likes to think he is big man on campus with his moronic comments!

Carol Dean

As the wife of a retired Marine Corps Officer for 20 years and the mother of an active duty ARMY Officer who is currently serving in South Korea for one year, without his family, I am highly insulted by the remarks made here in regards to our former Military Officers as well as what Trump is doing. Most of you do NOT have the insight to understand the military process and how or why it works.

Mr. Baron has the right to use his imagination and conjure up his own ideas, but that doesn't make them accurate!

Carol Dean

BTW, Li'l Mark, wasn't it YOUR infamous polls who predicted Hitlary to be the next President? So much for the polls you choose to follow!

Mark Aaron

Carol: [BTW, Li'l Mark, wasn't it YOUR infamous polls who predicted Hitlary to be the next President? So much for the polls you choose to follow!]

Who won the popular vote by nearly three million votes Carol? Are you and Carlos going to open your own Poll Shop since you both claim to know more about polling than the worlds best pollsters?

Carlos Ponce

Little Marky, CNN and others reported Trump had no ELECTORAL path to the presidency.
And your so called "worlds best pollsters" are biased. Only little Marky considers them credible. If I were to do a poll on the American people I would make certain those polled reflect the ideology of the American people. Skewing them to the left discredits them.
Poll says LA Dodgers should win the World Series. Would you agree with that poll if it were taken in Los Angeles?
You have to remember that at its best a poll is based on one's OPINION, not FACTS. You need to get a new avatar. Replace "FACTS" with "LIBERAL OPINION". That reflects what you post.

Mark Aaron

Carlos: [Little Marky, CNN and others reported Trump had no ELECTORAL path to the presidency.]

That argument has already been soundly refuted and you know it. You used to say no one predicted electoral blah, blah, blah, ergo all polls are faulty. You were proven wrong. You own vaporware.

Carlos Ponce

"HuffPost Forecasts Hillary Clinton Will Win With 323 Electoral Votes" Nov 7, 2016
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/polls-hillary-clinton-win_us_5821074ce4b0e80b02cc2a94
"There is no electoral path to the presidency left for The Donald." KNOX News - Part of the USA Today Network October 23, 2016
http://www.knoxnews.com/story/opinion/columnists/theotis-robinson/2016/10/23/trump-has-only-himself-blame-likely-loss/92457188/

Jim Forsythe

After Oct,10. Trump started trending up in the polls. It  was predicted by some polls that he would win the E.C. The race was close enough that the margin for error was correct , that the polls would have been right either way.
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Jim Forsythe Oct 10, 2016 10:35am At this time it looks like Hillary will win" .
At this time it looks like Hillary will win, but you never know.. As a country we have in place three legs of the government. When one goes to far, the other two part will take care of the problem. Some think it's to slow, but it was put in place to take time and not be a now response.
Each side has taken things and blown them out of proportions. The internet and tv gives us the transgressions , try to hammer us to death with it and  then try's to get us on board with what they are selling. Last nights debate gave us nothing new as far as facts.
If a person stops and thinks why they are going to vote for a person ,some will try and say they better then the other one.What we need to look at which one is the best one for the USA.
No matter who wins, they will be our President.

The day before, encouraging everyone to watch the debate.
Oct 9,2016
Campaigns have always been not for the faint of heart. In the next 30 days or so  it may ramp up more. Tune in tonight at 8pm  and see if the course of the race will change. If you think it is bad today read what happen in the past.
"We love to gripe about today’s negative campaigns, but presidential elections have always been dirty, dating back to the 18th century.

Doyle Beard

Mark presidents are not elected by popular vote. Wake up and smell the coffee. You lost .

Carol Dean

Your pollsters were wrong, weren't they!?!

Pete Nanos

While the rest of Galveston county has grown Galveston still lives in the fantasy world of liberal "facts and politics". Baron, Taylor, and the GDN still don't accept their loser status.

Kelly Naschke

WOW.....Little Marky got his bass handed to him in a basket....seems to be a trend developing with his TROLLISH commentary.

Mark Aaron

Leroy: [WOW.....Little Marky got his bass handed to him in a basket....seems to be a trend developing with his TROLLISH commentary.]

There's the Leroy we all know to expect.

Carol Dean

I'd like to meet you Leroy! Li'l Mark has certainly shown his complete lack of knowledge and facts! Some people think if they say something over and over again...it will eventually become a reality. L'l Mark, it just doesn't work that way! Are you ready to start a discussion about the Russian Collusion and where Billy and Hillary fall into the equation??? The democrats are even starting to abandon their ship!

Mark Aaron

Carol: [ Are you ready to start a discussion about the Russian Collusion]

From TPM:

_"Carter Page acknowledged Friday that he was copied on an email chain in which fellow Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos suggested hooking the Trump team up with Russian government officials.

“I was one of many people on that email chain,” the perpetually chatty Page told CNN’s Jake Tapper in an on-air interview.

The March 24, 2016 email in question was highlighted in the plea agreement Papadopoulos entered into after lying to FBI agents about the extent of his contacts with individuals like Joseph Mifsud, a London-based professor of diplomacy who allegedly spent months trying to connect Papadopoulos with Russian officials."_

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/carter-page-on-papadopoulos-email-chain-connect-trump-campaign-russia

Mark Aaron

Carol: [ Are you ready to start a discussion about the Russian Collusion ]

From The New Yorker:

_"The Trump Administration’s Looming Political Crisis - It’s been a chaotic year since the election. But the Mueller investigation signals that the most eventful days are still ahead. ~ It requires fortitude to accept the likelihood that the Trump Presidency is about to become more eventful still. The investigations into Vladimir Putin’s interference in the 2016 election, and the possibility that Trump’s campaign colluded with Russia, are intensifying. The accusation that Russian covert operations influenced the Presidential vote clearly drives Trump to distraction. He has repeatedly denied that his campaign collaborated with Russia, and he insists that Putin’s activity contributed nothing to his victory. Yet the latest revelations do not bode well for the President."_

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/11/13/the-trump-administrations-looming-political-crisis

Carol Dean

Li'l Mark, I am going to assume that you only watch the liberal media; otherwise everything you are saying about the Clinton would only be conceived as a complete embarrassment to anyone else. Check out what your illustrious heroes and party are currently being caught smack dab in the middle of...doesn't look good!

Mark Aaron

Carol: [Check out what your illustrious heroes and party are currently being caught smack dab in the middle of...doesn't look good!]

From The New York Times:

_"Trump and Sessions Denied Knowing About Russian Contacts. Records Suggest Otherwise — Standing before reporters in February, President Trump said unequivocally that he knew of nobody from his campaign who was in contact with Russians during the election. Attorney General Jeff Sessions has told the Senate the same thing. Court documents unsealed this week cast doubt on both statements and raised the possibility that Mr. Sessions could be called back to Congress for further questioning."_
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/02/us/politics/trump-jeff-sessions-russia.html

_"Commerce Secretary’s Offshore Ties to Putin ‘Cronies’ -- Wilbur Ross, the commerce secretary, retained investments in a shipping firm with business ties to Russian President Vladimir V. Putin’s inner circle. After becoming commerce secretary, Wilbur L. Ross Jr. retained investments in a shipping firm he once controlled that has significant business ties to a Russian oligarch subject to American sanctions and President Vladimir V. Putin’s son-in-law, according to newly disclosed documents."_
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/05/world/wilbur-ross-russia.html

Carol Dean

Li'l Mark, pretty obvious your are not keeping up with reality! LOL! Why don't you check and find out who in the DNC is currently NOT on the hot seat!?!

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