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September 27, 2016

COM board votes to fire controversial professor

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  • sverige1 posted at 1:58 pm on Thu, Aug 1, 2013.

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    Surprise, surprise. Or is it? Sounds like this individual has the means to go to another place of learning to teach, and to simply move on. He will be all the better from this experience.

  • carlosrponce posted at 8:15 pm on Thu, Aug 1, 2013.

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    Smith should have taken a sabbatical and lived in a Marxist country so he could learn the truth about Marxism. He now has plenty of time to do that. I suggest China. They'll treat him like royalty, place him in a prestigious university so he can teach the evils of capitalism like he did at COM. Bon voyage!

  • Jbgood posted at 9:12 pm on Thu, Aug 1, 2013.

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    So, when the next individual who will step up in Mr. Smith's shoes, and stand up for the little guy,..the downtrodden, for those who for whatever reason won't or can't stand up for themselves, and might even believe in capitalism, what will they do to that person? WHAT WILL THEY DO? SOMEBODY ANSWER MY QUESTION, BECAUSE I WANT TO KNOW!!!
    I'll tell you what I think they will do,..they will try to fire that person too. They have received the green light to start a reign of terror in my opinion. It looks to me like they want to use fear as a weapon in their arsenal,...instead of sound negotiation skills, and management techniques they lack! They need somebody out there who knows a thing or two about team building and motivations of employees for progress. Those things they don't have, and probably never will.
    So now the Marxist is gone,...so come let us see what happens at COM now!!
    Was it the Marxist or was it UNION BUSTING? Is it just ME,.....or DO THIS THING STINKS OF CON-SPI-RA-CY ? We shall see. Many eyes will be watching......

  • kevjlang posted at 9:37 pm on Thu, Aug 1, 2013.

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    It's quite likely that once this is all over, Smith will be out of a job, but he will never need to work again. There are a lot of so-called conservatives that will be ecstatic for him to be gone, regardless of cost, and regardless of reason. For them, the only thing that matters is his political bent.

    It won't be long before the try again with True, and I bet they'll go after Carol Voight, too.

    I think there will be a few promotion recommendations in the wake of the valuable testimony those "harassed teachers" provided.

    I don't doubt that Smith has taught his last class. However, I'm willing to bet that his final record will show that he was a fifteen year model employee and the separation was amicable.

  • carol4com posted at 10:40 pm on Thu, Aug 1, 2013.

    carol4com Posts: 66

    This is nothing more than union busting and retaliation. They have already taken away my classes for Fall and will no longer allow me to teach at COM because I've opposed them. No one cares about the people that work at COM and how much they are suffering and how much Dr. Smith was helping them through these terrible times. The only thing anyone cares about is how much better they feel for themselves because the Marxist is now out of a job. What kind of country do we live in that we can SAY we believe in freedom, until we become scared of what free people say?

    The fear mongers have taken over COM. They want to turn it into a CONSERVATIVES ONLY institution. Pretty soon they will probably ban Science classes from being taught because they only want creationism taught.

    Thank God Dr. True has retired with her full benefits intact! Everyone else that can't afford to retire yet has to start all over with COM and stick it out until smarter and more intelligent Board members can be found, or start all over with another college and mover away from their homes just to find a job.

    This entire situation is pathetic and the small minded people who support this travesty will definitely regret this when COM is closed down and all of our tax dollars are wasted and years of hard work destroyed!

    And here I thought our country was finally on the road to becoming MORE evolved. Guess not here in Galveston County Texas!

  • cougargator posted at 9:17 am on Fri, Aug 2, 2013.

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    Everybody taking Smith just "loved his class." I wonder how many passed with A's or B's?

  • sverige1 posted at 9:46 am on Fri, Aug 2, 2013.

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    Response to cougargator posted at 9:17 am on Fri, Aug 2, 2013:

    I've sort of wondered about that concept. Truth is, one can really like a professor and still not do all that well as a student in that teacher's class. Knowing that the instructor you had helped you as much as possible, it's just reality to comprehend that not everyone can yield an "A" or "B". That can give solace to us average folk.

    I know of what I speak b/c at UT/Austin I was awful at any science. Both classes I took in non-major science biology and astronomy - all I could get out of them were C's. But, the biology teacher was a really nice woman who took care of so many greenhouse plants on her off-time. One time I visited her on campus at the greenhouse, and she loved all that botany stuff. I only wish I had the scientific "bent" to appreciate the technicalities and such.

    Now, the astronomy teacher was quite a character. He made his class like a "physics" class, and I couldn't make head nor tails of most of what he was saying. He simply couldn't explain it to us science illiterates. I knocked on his office hour doors many of times.

    Bottom line was that both of these teachers I had were wonderful human beings. They never had controversy, as far as I knew. Lesson, I think, is that no matter how good you are, if you rub people the wrong way and don't "play the game", then eventually it can be "curtains" for you.

    I'm no "conservative" and I appreciate a university having teachers of all political ties, as that broadens the students' minds on a "universal" level - since universities are supposed to be universal/worldly. Yet it doesn't take rocket science to know that perhaps this individual not only espoused unpopular political stances, but he also was argumentative to the bigwigs. That's a dangerous recipe.

  • IHOG posted at 11:03 am on Fri, Aug 2, 2013.

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    Are you aware there are more Chinese Capitalists than there are Americans with jobs.
    The growth of the Chinese economy is being driven by capitalists.

  • IHOG posted at 11:12 am on Fri, Aug 2, 2013.

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    I'm glad the marxis is gone.
    Not because he's a marxist but because of his attempts to run COM with law suits and "protests". He has been a disruptave influence that was permitted far too long.

  • Jbgood posted at 11:38 am on Fri, Aug 2, 2013.

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    I did not know until up to five minutes ago when I read Carol4com's post, what I predicted in my last post has already started happening. Dr. True out of wisdom, prudence, and probably fear has decided to "CHUNK" it to these clowns!
    Now in addition,...I'm hearing that Carol4com's classes has been taken away, I would imagine because of her public support of Dr. Smith,..or daring to run against one of the establishment's hand picked candidate for the BOT. Now I will ask anybody this question,...who are acting more like ROTTEN COMMUNISTS,...those who are causing all this DIVISION & DISCORD, or those who are exercising their rights as free Americans in a free society,...paid for by the sweat,toil, blood, and lives of the many who put it all on the line AFFORDING them the rights and privileges to disagree with how things are transpiring at COM?
    Be careful what you ask for,...you just might get it. Just like that CLOWN in Russia now,..over there spilling his guts out to the Communists, about American's national secrets,.....yet he claims he was helping the American people. There are those who will probably lose their lives for what this guy is doing,..sooner or later!
    Some people cannot see through muddy water, because of the mud,see. This fool in Russia right now,..has been talking about human rights in the United States, and even this minute,...and every second he abides in Russia,...he is being spied on by the Communists! LOLOL.
    So now, nobody's job is safe at COM,...because of the BIG HAMMER sitting up high, which will fall on their head if they say anything or think out loud! GREAT WAY TO MANAGE! OUTSTANDING!! That is just how they do it in RED CHINA, North Korea,.....and Russia. You could not pay me to go to that school,...and that is why I chose another!

  • carlosrponce posted at 11:48 am on Fri, Aug 2, 2013.

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    Then maybe he should try North Korea to get a truer Marxist viewpoint.

  • gecroix posted at 12:36 pm on Fri, Aug 2, 2013.

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    Could referring to voters in opposition as disgruntled old white guy taxpayers have anything to do with some decision process? Poor judgement and irrational talk in one area is sometimes symptomatic of it in others. One sided stories are halfway revealing.
    As for Smith, it's a mixed bag. There are any number of good reasons for choosing to send him packing, but this one was marginal at best and retaliation at worst. Especially from the same level of administration that allowed COM resources and personal to be used to enable illegal alien 'students' to protest against this country.
    Maybe any leftover that were involved in that stick in the eye of the disgruntled old white guy taxpayers should get their own walking papers.
    Such justification is at LEAST as valid as this set up was, where the end does not justify the means, no matter how welcome the end might be to anybody.

  • Jbgood posted at 12:41 pm on Fri, Aug 2, 2013.

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    Okay IHOG, the Marxist is gone, so tell me why is it that there seems to still be hostility and retaliation against Corol4com? She is not a Marxist? I want to hear your answer,....so I'm listening!
    It is time to admit that this was not about Smith being Marxist at all. In my opinion, it was about Union Busting,...or else why is Carol having problems now?
    Is it just ME,....or is it a CON-SPIR-A-CY?

  • Jbgood posted at 12:42 pm on Fri, Aug 2, 2013.

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    I'm walking around in a circle,..and I don't hear nothing. I said I don't hear nothinggggg!

  • Jbgood posted at 1:19 pm on Fri, Aug 2, 2013.

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    Gecroix,...in my opinion, the people operating that place out there don't give a "RIP" about this country,...and the principles it was established on. All they care about is the ability to maximize their on satisfaction to control something. They don't have a managing bone in their bodies,..and if they did,... there would not be all this Chaos and Upheaval going on out there.
    Carol4com is a woman,...and Dr. True is a woman. I say that because it seems to me there has been for some time something going on out there AGAINST women!
    In fact many of the lawsuits filed was linked to women on that campus. I don't understand. They don't like Marxist,...it seems they have a problem with women, now who else they have a problem with out there?
    So now I will ask this question again:
    Is it just ME,....or is it a CON-SPIR-A-CY?

  • EverLastingGobStopper posted at 1:29 pm on Fri, Aug 2, 2013.

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    I had Dr. Smith for both Government 2301 and 2302, and I made A's in both classes. So, what's your point, Cougargator?

  • Girlbayside posted at 2:35 pm on Fri, Aug 2, 2013.

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    Jbgood, He needs to go. Your description of those not giving a rep about this country and the principles it was established on is exactly why I am glad he is gone.

  • kevjlang posted at 3:05 pm on Fri, Aug 2, 2013.

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    Considering that the lawsuits that he's participated in are either still in litigation or were decided in his favor, who's been wasting taxpayers money? If the administration has acted illegally or unethically, is he supposed to just let it slide?

    IHOG, when you have evidence that COM has been sued purely because Smith and the people he represents were treated far too well, then I'll believe your premise that his complaints are the problem.

    No one should be labeled a problem merely because they defend their rights. Isn't that your position regarding Zimmerman?

  • gecroix posted at 3:26 pm on Fri, Aug 2, 2013.

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    Jbgood, I'm just a simple disgruntled old white guy taxpayer, as a recent candidate for COM BOT labeled some opposition voters after the election.
    I was also a longtime player in the leadership game, not just an observer.
    Me, I take comments like that and figure it's just some temporary hissy fit, or perhaps an alligator jaw trying to fit on a jaybird backside. Everybody should be allowed to pop off time to time. Every real supervisor knows that's a key to effective teamwork - the ability to speak out without getting tossed out. But, there's a limit to how much crap any boss or team member should have to put up with. One can't make a career of just running their mouth when they should be running their business.That's another time when an effective supervisor steps in and either convinces the recalcitrant one(s) (and, it may be HIMSELF he gives a good talking to...!) to stop being that way, or acts to correct what's botheirng them if THEY are the ones in the right, or begins formal processes to ultimately discipline or terminate employment.
    It's all really simple. It all simply escapes too many with the title but not the know how.
    Smith? Like I said earlier, I disagree with how this termination was done, from the standpoint of how I would have handled it had I been the decision maker. I would not have done it as it played out this time.
    I would have long ago gotten to a mutually accpetible working relationship with Dr. Smith, and it probaly would not, based on his history, been exactly where he's been for some time.
    I do not suffer foolishness gladly. From myself, or subordinates, or anyone trying to mess with my people, either. You don't have to be pleasant. You do have to be fair, and respectful.
    In a nutshell, one should be careful what they ask for, because they might just get it.

  • MMMitch1 posted at 7:24 pm on Fri, Aug 2, 2013.

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    It may end up costing COM a court settlement to finally rid themselves of Smith but it will be money well spent. This is one termination that is cost justifiable in lawyer fees alone over all these years. Free speech or not, at some point everyone needs to try to do what their boss is asking them to do. I don't think working for the government and declaring yourself a socialist makes you an exception.

  • kevjlang posted at 12:28 am on Sat, Aug 3, 2013.

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    A million? 5 million? A gazillion dollars? All are worth it? Other than just shutting up and/or bending over and pinching his big toes, what did the administration ask him to do that he didn't do?

    From what I've read, there are a number of more efficient and cost effective ways the administration and board could have handled things.

  • DottyOA posted at 12:34 am on Sat, Aug 3, 2013.

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    I don't personally know Dr. Smith (I add the "Dr." sarcastically because a doctorate in education is as easy to achieve as a driver's license and both are very abundant). For those who are his supporters don't dispute this unless you personally have a 4 year undergraduate degree and also have achieved a Masters and PHD yourself. I personally know how easy it is to get a PHD in Education....very easy. What I do know about him is that he is an avowed Marxist (per the GDN). I lived in LM for many years before this guy arrived on the scene and my Mother still pays taxes there for Comical Tech. IMHO, he needed to be fired many, many years ago. He obviously dislikes this country and the capitalist system we have. Why would someone who is an avowed Marxists live where he is so unhappy? Good riddance and adios, Smith.
    I was on the campus of Comical Tech about 10 years back and there was a maintenance worker in a golf cart that had anti-GWBush stickers on it. I asked him to take them off since he was using a publicly funded piece of machinery and he told me to f&&k off. What a suave dude he was and so very articulate and savvy not to know he was breaking the law with the political stickers on a publicly funded piece of machinery.. It really chaps my a$$ that my elderly mother's property taxes are paying the salary of people like Smith and the jerk who was the maintenance worker driving around with his political stickers. Adios, Smith, I will buy you a one way ticket to wherever you want to go. Take the jerk maintenance worker with you.

  • Jbgood posted at 8:38 am on Sat, Aug 3, 2013.

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    Dr. Smith is a moot point now. The deed has been done. I'm sure that he and COM still have unfinished business if you follow my drift. So, the Marxist is gone,..and his being employed at COM is no longer a silver bullet in the gun belts of those who opposed him.
    Now,..those who supported the administration need to explain the hostile treatment that others are continuing to receive from those in authority over them. Individuals like Carol4com! As far as I know she is an American woman, who is not a Marxist,...and believes in Capitalism,..working to support her family. I really need help on this. Will, or can someone explain why she is being treated so badly?
    Is it just ME,....or is it a CON-SPIR-A-CY?

  • gecroix posted at 10:13 am on Sat, Aug 3, 2013.

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    "disgruntled old white guy taxpayer"
    Start there...

  • Bigjim posted at 11:44 am on Sat, Aug 3, 2013.

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    Dotty You seam bitter. If it bothered you so much about stickers You could have taken action. Please explain to me how I can get a PHD that easy and I will get started.

  • kevjlang posted at 12:11 pm on Sat, Aug 3, 2013.

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    I seem to remember from my history lessons about the Articles of Confederation. Evidently, there were a bunch of people that didn't like them. Instead of running away to someplace that made them more comfortable, they stuck around and worked on the Constitution.

    Ours is a nation of rebels. When something bothers us, we don't leave, we try to fix it, to change it. We worked to get rid of the sweatshops, against segregation, etc. Being anti anything, even anti everything, is no more anti-American as being pro anything or everything is pro-American. Seeing things you'd like to see changed is not the same as being anti-American, and it certainly isn't the same as saying that you hate it hear.

    What if, instead of championing Marxism, he, instead championed a return to the 1890’s or the 1920's? Would we be more comfortable if he merely wanted to peel things back to a more idyllic time in this country?

  • carol4com posted at 12:03 pm on Sun, Aug 4, 2013.

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    Thanks. And I stand by my words. In a board meeting about 3-4 people said students weren't important, the taxpayers were more important to please. I'm sorry, but the purpose of an educational institution is to educate STUDENTS. Taxpayers are only footing a portion of the bill, students are paying the rest and they are directly affected by the malicious actions of this administration and board. If as a taxpayer you are happy to keep paying for lawsuits, that's ok for you, but its not ok with the rest of us.

    COM needs to change its culture again, to one that doesn't discriminate and retaliate against people. Then it will be a REAL educational institution again.

  • gecroix posted at 12:16 pm on Sun, Aug 4, 2013.

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    You're welcome.
    It's up to future voters to decide if those words represent a desire to serve ALL of the people with an interest in COM, whether direct or by way of funding it. That's what BOT members are supposed to do, whether they actually do or not.
    No, I'm not happy to keep paying for lawsuits. Neither should any other person be with a financial interest in COM. That would include all of those taxpayers. The question for them to answer is, what is causing more of their displeasure, the cause, or the effect. Legitimate concern, or manufactured grievance. It's their call.
    Based on where this daily soap opera stands right now, if it was up to me, the entire facility would be closed, locked, and shuttered, and re-opened in the future at some point with a clean slate and a dearth of attitude problems, high to low on the totem pole, and a focus on the mission, education, and not feeding paper tigers or mis-handling the duties of leadership or employee.
    Those are the words I stand by. I expect to do so for longer than ten more years.

  • drumb47 posted at 8:30 am on Tue, Aug 6, 2013.

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    Hatchet Lady has her way, now COM will have to pay.

    By firing Dr. Smith, a tenured Professor, tenureship by nature of it's definition has been attacked. If this firing stands, tenured Professors across the country could face similar fates.

  • drumb47 posted at 8:42 am on Tue, Aug 6, 2013.

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    Your comment shows contempt of COM. And if you do indeed have a Masters Degree, and I could care less, you then have no excuse for making such an idiotic statement..

  • kevjlang posted at 11:28 am on Tue, Aug 6, 2013.

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    To be fair, drumb47, the allegations that Ms. Lewis filed with the board are that he is disobedient and insubordinate and harasses fellow teachers and staff. If those allegations stand through litigation, it shouldn't hurt the nature of tenure. Of course, this does lend itself to the perception that they took a morsel of meat off the tail of a cow, pumped in a bunch of filler, and are now selling it as a steak burger. It is surprising how well they can do with soy protein, a little coloring and a few artificial flavors.

  • Don233 posted at 2:15 am on Wed, Aug 7, 2013.

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    The ridiculous practice of tenure should be eliminated at every university. Period!

  • kevjlang posted at 6:18 am on Wed, Aug 7, 2013.

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    So, you think you employer should just come in some day and fire you on a whim, too? Have you told your employer that? Most employers look for cause to fire someone, and if you have a good performance record, that cause generally has to slap them in the face. On top of that, they'll usually call you into the office and explain the issues and see if they can be corrected.

    Tenure merely adds an element of academic freedom. Essentially, you won't be fired just because a research theory doesn't pan out. This situation is giving him a golden study in government, philosophy, and psychology. We'll see how well he runs with it. It could make for a great read.

  • sverige1 posted at 8:18 am on Wed, Aug 7, 2013.

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    Response to Don233 posted at 2:15 on Wed, Aug 7, 2013:

    I agree. Folks with "pie in the sky" mentality, sitting in ivory towers, theorizing. I remember being in a big arena classroom (before they totally banned smoking), and this one history prof kept lighting up, puffing away - saying almost nothing. I bet his homelife with his wifey was a real hoot. "Darling, can you go smoke in your studyroom, I can't breathe."

    A lot of these individuals teach a couple of classes while relegating the grading to their TA assistants, then they write a couple of articles. And they get tenure!?!? While the rest of us in the real world worry about getting the "axe" at the drop of a hat. Then again, work would be so much easier to take if most of us knew that we get guaranteed to stay after a couple of years of lecturing and column writing.

  • DottyOA posted at 10:26 pm on Wed, Aug 7, 2013.

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    Not angry, sweet pea. I was just annoyed by the fact that a taxpayer funded piece of machinery had a political sticker on it where young students were going to school. Why would I be? Would you be? Is it not against the law to do that? Have you ever heard about the 501 c(3) and 501 c(4) organizations that have to abide by the law and are approved by the IRS? I would venture you have not. Therefore your comment about me being angry is moot. Learn what the law is. If you are above 40 years of age then never mind. If you are above 40 and don't know that political stickers on public property is against the law then just keep on trucking.

  • gecroix posted at 10:39 am on Thu, Aug 8, 2013.

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    Has academic freedom become synonymous with running your mouth at work as you please, when you please? Maybe. Tenure has largely become a shield to protect people as smart in their backside as their head. Doesn't sound like much to do with academics, but is very 'progressive'.

  • kevjlang posted at 11:36 am on Thu, Aug 8, 2013.

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    Tenure is not a PITA license. However, you also can't loosely translate disagreement with the theses of the professor into a label of "PITA". If Smith is a full-fledged PITA, then they should be able to document the times he's demonstrated that, and the times they've tried to coach/coax him into being a reasonable human being. In this case, they have some evidence to back their PITA claim, but they have shown little, if anything, to indicate they tried to notify him that his behavior was troubling, nor opportunity to fix or explain it.

    I have more respect for lynch mobs that actually try to prove that the alleged rustler actually rustled and actually knew he was rustling.

  • gecroix posted at 12:44 pm on Thu, Aug 8, 2013.

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    Policies and procedures should usually be followed, on both sides. Documentation and work reviews are part of that, usually.
    Still, it sounds a lot like Mayor Filner's defense, that he wasn't trained to not engage in sexual harrassment, to make the only definitive difference be that a professor, supposedly a smart and well educated one, would need to be told they were out of line.
    Smart enough to get tenure, but not enough to understand basic workplace interaction in a civil setting?
    BOTH sides blew it, overall.
    Close. Lock. Shutter. Sweep out. Clean it up. Apply fresh paint and attitudes. Start over.

  • kevjlang posted at 1:08 pm on Thu, Aug 8, 2013.

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    I hadn't heard about the sexual harassment allegations. I'd heard about general hostility, but it seems they had to dig around, prod a bit, and eventually coax (coach?) a couple of people into stating that they were afraid of Smith. Didn't sound to me that the charges were really investigated. It almost seems like the charges were too convenient to warrant investigation. Investigation might have uncovered some inconvenient details. I'm not sure if the board and the president deserve the presumption that the evidence was all solid and uncontrived. I would like to believe that, but considering that it turned out so convenient for the board's long-time desires, I have to remain skeptical until I see the rest of the story.

  • gecroix posted at 2:10 pm on Thu, Aug 8, 2013.

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    Filner, not Smith.
    Allegory, not...oh, heck with it..

  • kevjlang posted at 3:14 pm on Thu, Aug 8, 2013.

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    Sorry, I didn't get your connection. I thought you were making a broader parallel than what you were, I guess.

    Anyway, without detailed specifics of the harassment that Smith allegedly engaged in, we don't know whether anything significant even happened, let alone whether it is something he should have known even without proper training.

  • gecroix posted at 6:45 pm on Thu, Aug 8, 2013.

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    The point was supposed to be that supposedly real smart adult people should no more need to be told what proper etiquette for interaction on the job amounts to (Smith), than sexual harrassment training is needed to avoid getting touchy feely with women and making lewd comments (Filner).
    Nutshell: The absence of formal protocols or posted warnings or training sessions should still not result in, or be used as an excuse for, the type of behavior more suited to a village idiot than a person in a professional position.
    SOME personal responsibility, puhleeeeze.

  • kevjlang posted at 7:03 pm on Thu, Aug 8, 2013.

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    On the other hand, people don't always perceive things as they are.

  • DottyOA posted at 9:06 pm on Thu, Aug 8, 2013.

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    You have once again shown your..... never mind. The point I made about the "anti Bush" sticker on the Comical Tech golf cart is (and no, I did not approve of most of what Bush did) is that you don't make political statements on publicly funded vehicles, buildings, etc. It is against the law. What part of this is so hard for you to understand? I am sure the maintenance person was a nice guy but he has no right to put political stickers on a vehicle bought with public funds.
    I took 6 hours at Comical Tech the first year it was first placed in existence at the old Booker T. Washington high school in T.C. It was a joke back then and appears to still be a joke and a severe waste of taxpayer dollars.

  • DottyOA posted at 9:37 pm on Thu, Aug 8, 2013.

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    Sverige1...Tea bagger, tea party and Boston Tea Party all have something in common? The recent Tea Party movement came about after the "Obamacare" was shoved down the throats of Americans in 2009. The Boston Tea Party was about taxes from the (ex) Motherland of England. The present day "Tea Party" was not present in 2008. Read more about it and become more informed. Are you for real?
    P.S. Tea Bagger is a homophobic term. I did not know the term even existed until CNN started using it and it was explained to me by a friend. Please think twice about calling people who are against the excessive intrusion and expansion of our government as being Tea Baggers. It does not shine well on your...well...your knowledge. I am trying to be really nice.

  • DottyOA posted at 9:49 pm on Thu, Aug 8, 2013.

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    If I need to explain how you can "earn" a PHD you probably just need to stick with what you are doing. Not all PHD's are easy. A PHD in education is pretty damn easy to get. So, I suggest you go for one of those if you really want a PHD. I say 70/30 on the outcome. Good luck.

  • DottyOA posted at 1:13 am on Fri, Aug 9, 2013.

    DottyOA Posts: 273

    So I am not allowed to have an opinion? I went to COM(ical) Tech. Did you? I know many, many professional people who have Doctorates in Education. Most are good people and do their best with what they have to work with. How many people do you know and have conversed with who have doctorates in Education? Check them out if you do and read their thesis. You might be surprised if you can find out what it takes to "earn" a Doctorate in Electrical, Mechanical or Chemical Engineering vs. Education. Have you any idea of what one has to do to get a doctorate in Education? I doubt it. Before one accuses another of being "idiotic" they should look in the mirror. They just may be speaking to themselves.

  • kevjlang posted at 8:54 am on Fri, Aug 9, 2013.

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    Do those good people you know with doctorates in education know how low you think of their degrees? Or is it only the bad people that get education doctorates really easily and the good ones have to put in the same amount of work as engineering doctorates?

  • gecroix posted at 11:14 am on Fri, Aug 9, 2013.

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    Degrees. Awards.
    They're just paper on a wall symbolizing the completion of course work required to get them, or levels of additional effort made to earn them, or often how big a donation you made to the campus building fund.
    What matters is USING what you learned, and how you use it.
    Unless you use your knowledge and reputation wisely and well, all your fancy degrees mean squat.

  • sverige1 posted at 12:40 pm on Fri, Aug 9, 2013.

    sverige1 Posts: 4054

    Hey Dotty BOA -

    At a quick glance at your posts, you seem angry at: 1. folks who strive to better themselves through education, 2. maintenance persons who ride vehicles with [democratic] political stickers, 3. old dogs, children, and watermelon wine.

    My dad, who was an engineer, told me that no matter what kind of sheepskin these engineering/technical folks had, that there were very few people around who could write a complete sentence. Those doctorates in education come in quite handy when an organization needs someone to proofread a report or translate for clients in China, or collaborate with the various Spanish-speaking countries.